Internet Casino Experience Can anyone tell me what happened?

[joeypbg]

I play at an internet gaming casino sometimes and I had this experience.
I was playing Baccarat and bet on both Banker and Player just to see the run.
I bet 1k on Player and 1K on Banker. I should not lose since I am betting on both but when I looked at my balance it took both the banker and the player, meaning i lost 2K. Good thing I noticed it because I complained to the attendant and then they called the company or whoever was running the software. Then after a few minutes my 2k automatically returned to my balance.
My question is Exactly what happened?
Was that a software glitch?
were they interfering with my game play?
how come they were able to return it so fast, where they monitoring my play?
nobody was able to give me an adequate explanation.

btw this was not the first time it happened. i remember another time that i bet the same way but i was not paying attention and somehow i knew i should have more money than i had but it was less than what i knew i had. Just didnt pursue it then coz i thought i miscounted.

 

[babs7262]

What I dont understand is why you would use 1K for a dry run? why not bet the minimum both ways to see what happens? Something is odd about this. Are you really seeing what happens because if you are and you did this before than you already know what happens . Are you trying to go through a WR without betting? Did you take a bonus and did you check to see if it counted as part of a WR or did the null the whole bet?

Im confused

 

[joeypbg]

sorry to get you confused. I was playing the 1k minimum and 15 k max VIP Baccarat . That is the reason why i had to bet 1k on both player and banker.
When i made the bet I had 15K balance less the 2k bet which left me with 13 k balance while the game was in progress. Player Won which meant I should have 15k as my balance again. If Banker won it would mean less 5 percent commission on Banker on the 1k bet. But still it should be around 15k right. But I only had 13k after the hand. I complained to the attendant (we have internet casino gaming centers in the Philippines) and after they made a call a minute later they returned my money. I saw the balance change from 13k to 15K. Hope this sort of clarifies what happened.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I fail to see the point in this bet, there is no winning outcome, just the chance to donate 5% of your banker bet to the casino.

The only use for this kind of play is to clear the WR for a bonus, and I see a locked account in the near future

 

[joeypbg]

Ive been playing long enough to know that you do not bet on every hand. Sometimes you bet that way just so you figure out the run. It is part of a betting system I designed However my question really hinges on how come after making the bet on both banker and player they took out the bets on both and returned it immediately after i complained. My point being is this a glitch or are they doing this deliberately?

 

[babs7262]

How can anyone answer that question when you wont tell us which casino? I wouldnt be able to answer it but maye someone else could. I doubt it though, like I said before, something is odd

 

[RobWin]

Ive been playing long enough to know that you do not bet on every hand. Sometimes you bet that way just so you figure out the run. It is part of a betting system I designed However my question really hinges on how come after making the bet on both banker and player they took out the bets on both and returned it immediately after i complained. My point being is this a glitch or are they doing this deliberately?

You never considered the "Tie" aspect or factored in that outcome ?

 

[joeypbg]

All the casinos in the Philippines whether land based or Internet based is regulated by Pagcor the government agency overseeing casinos here. Internet casino gaming is subcontracted to a group that offers internet casino gaming centers. The incident happened in an internet gaming center. It is sort of like an internet cafe the only difference is you go to the counter and make a payment and choose which machine you want to play. If you win you can withdraw your money at the counter right away. I hope this sort of gives you an idea how it is played.
Regarding the Draw or tie. If tie wins it doesnt get your money because since you bet on both player and banker and the winner is both then it doesnt get your money. I do this all the time bet on both player and banker and it usually returns my bet.

 

[babs7262]

Ahhh Ok. So WR doesnt exist, I stand corrected and apologize but I still dont know how anyone here could help you. So what your saying is.....


You walk into a place
go to the counter
pay for gaming
go to a PC that is in this place
if you win, go back to the counter and get paid?

BUT....its regulated by the government? Never heard of anything like that, sorry I cant help you

 

[peteyweestro]

I never heard of anything like this before but it sounds like something i would really like though

 

[chuchu59]

I fail to see the point in this bet, there is no winning outcome, just the chance to donate 5% of your banker bet to the casino.

The only use for this kind of play is to clear the WR for a bonus, and I see a locked account in the near future

VWM,

At B&M casinos it is normal for a player to bet on both sides to test the run when it is difficult to decide which side to bet on. However, the limits here ie $1K - $15K is too narrow for someone to place such a bet. This sort of thing is normally done at tables with a minimum to maximum ratio of 1:50 otherwise outcomes on the banker may hurt your bankroll. Most Asian players believe in previous outcomes influencing latter outcomes so they mark their cards with the history of the outcomes and devise their own strategies.

 

[joeypbg]

Thanks for all the replies. I just wanted to know if anyone had experienced something like this wherein you do not get paid based on your bet. Then after you complain they put it right back.
The reason I am saying this is because if you are not paying attention to your balance you may be betting and actually losing money when in fact you should have won. Im just a little curious that after i complained the money magically returned to my account balance.
I am just wondering if it has something to do with the way their software works.

I am a numbers guy and i try to crunch the numbers to give me a slight edge. But if they can just take money off like that on top of dynamically changing the payout ratio???

 

[joeypbg]

peteyweestro

fyi. it really is an interesting experience because you can remain anonymous. you bring in cash and you go out with cash much like a regular landbased casino. However if you win really big like more than 100K you may have to wait for them to have money sent to the place you are playing if they do not have enough cash. Usually doesnt take them that long though.

 

[KasinoKing]

...However, the limits here ie $1K - $15K is too narrow for someone to place such a bet...

I'm assuming here, but since this guy is in the Philippines his 1K bet is probably 1000 Peso's, not 1000 $US!
1Kphp = about US $24.74 at today's rate.

These machines sound a bit like the roulette / games machines we have in most bookmakers here in the UK. Although they do use the internet to transmit data, they are not 'internet casinos' in the sense that most of us here would understand.

In this case he 'spoke to the attendant' (presumably in the caf itself) and it was 'corrected right away' which says to me that this system may not use the internet at all but is run from a 'server' PC behind the counter or in another room in the building.
Who knows who controls or regulates that!

KK

 

[joeypbg]

In this case he 'spoke to the attendant' (presumably in the caf itself) and it was 'corrected right away' which says to me that this system may not use the internet at all but is run from a 'server' PC behind the counter or in another room in the building.
Who knows who controls or regulates that!

KK
these internet gaming stations are franchisees of a company that Pagcor (government agency overseeing casinos in the Philippines) has allowed. I know for a fact that they do not have a server but instead is connected to the Pagcor accredited company that offers the service. That is why they have to make a call. In case the branch also runs out of money this company is the one who sends the amount to cover the payments to the players. The company then in turn charge the franchisee for any overdraft. I know it is kinda complicated.

Still somehow you feel not everything is kosher!!!!

 

[vinylweatherman]

I think I get the idea now. It appeared at first that you were doing this at an online casino, not a land based gaming terminal.

Here in the UK, there have been many players convinced that our own terminals that offer roulette have some kind of "run", and are not wholly random. Players believe they can figure out probable outcomes from the run of past results, and indeed some claim success. The same seems true of online casinos, where a "cold" game seems to suck long term, and a "hot" game seems to pay over the odds for a long spell before turning "cold" to even out the balance.

Betting like this online is going to set off all kinds of "abuse flags", however, as a strategy to gather data on outcomes, it is the lowest risk way to do so, as you only lose the natural house edge for the game, and do not get hit by adverse variance.
I presume the aim is to gather data at 1K bets, and then when you think you have the run worked out, hit the game with bets up to the 15K limit hoping to pocket a decent win.
If there is any predictability in the outcomes, this strategy will work, however, if this is all an illusion, then the long term outcome will be the same, a win for the house.
Many players do indeed believe in such strategies, and I have seen occasions where this appears to work with Microgaming slots. (Escalate bets after long cold spell once scatter pairs start coming in more regularly - hoping to catch a run of free spin/bonus rounds at higher bets). I was, in fact, playing this very strategy when I hit my 10K on Munchkins (winner screenshots) last October. I had raised bets from around 10 to 67.50 once I seemed to hit a run of frequent bonus rounds. I was lucky that the very best bonus round of all was triggered by my first spin at 67.50, after which I had another, but mediocre, bonus round on my SECOND spin at 67.50 after playing out the first for 10K

Beware though, this strategy can bite your a$$ hard, as it is a form of "Martingale", and occasionally a "cold" spell can go on for so long you run out of funds before hitting a decent positive run, and can not then follow through.

As for the glitch, since the games are governmnent regulated, they are bound to refund right away if they are certain a malfunction has robbed a player of their correct payouts. This is in contrast to many online casinos, and indeed here in the UK it is often necessary to fill in a claim form when a "Fruit Machine" suffers such a malfunction, and getting payment can be a nightmare. The terminals at the betting shops may be different, but I don't know whether they refund straight away, or require the machine supplier to attend and verify the fault.

 

[aodat2]

Considering this guy is from Philippines and he's talking about the PAGCOR regulated Internet Casino, then he must be talking about it being RTG based as they are the only ones regulated by PAGCOR.

Anyways, I have never seen anything like that happening with RTG where your money disappears and magically appears a few rounds after that or whatsoever. I have however seen my money not being paid this turn and after that, it magically (as you call it) appears in my balance. If you don't play the next hand, just close the casino and restart it. The balance will automatically reset to the correct amount after you do that.

Why? My only reasoning so far is that the software is slow to record the amount update or something along those lines. Now, I don't think RTG is that bad a company as to allow your money to disappear just like that as they need to be accountable for the money won/lost as well.

So to answer your question, I don't think it's regular and I don't think that it's a common thing happening. Perhaps you might want to try what I said the next time such a thing happens before complaining or seeing the person-in-charge. Hope this answers your question.

 

[joeypbg]

vw
you are absolutely right. I do something similar but not exactly what you are talking about. I have been winning consistently and this things started happening when i started winning quite regularly. How regular? about 90 percent of the time and on losing days i dont go beyond my loss limit for the day. I call this my DDBD (data driven betting decision). heh heh Sorry just always been a numbers guy.

aodat2

Why? My only reasoning so far is that the software is slow to record the amount update or something along those lines. Now, I don't think RTG is that bad a company as to allow your money to disappear just like that as they need to be accountable for the money won/lost as well.

So to answer your question, I don't think it's regular and I don't think that it's a common thing happening. Perhaps you might want to try what I said the next time such a thing happens before complaining or seeing the person-in-charge. Hope this answers your question.

Like a said in a previous post it did happen before and i just wasnt sure because then i wasnt keeping track of my balance. After that incident i started keeping track of my balance and that was when i complained when it happened. The previous time i did not complain and the amount was never returned or reset. Anyway I was just wondering. thanks for all the replies.

I really just want to be aware of what i am up against.

 

[spearmaster]

Joey - if you are playing at a Games.com cafe, it's Grand Virtual's software that they use, but the very, very old version from 2001-2. Of course you should not lose by betting both banker and dealer, but do keep in mind that this software is ancient and not deliberately designed like this.

I believe RTG Asia is the partner software deployed in their online offering only, unless they have upgraded their Games.com cafes in the past year or two.

 

[casinopotato]

My advice: don't ever play at that casino again. Whatever entertainment value there is becomes nonexistent when you have to worry about the casino software working properly.