Resolved iNetBet: stalling or normal processing times?

[Nifty29]

After 3 attemps over a period of 4 hours, comps still not redeemed

AFAIK comps are only redeemed during CS hours which don't commence for a few hours yet.

 

[emily_hanson]

I do not understand why Inet creates so much work for themselves and in some cases cause customers to be disgruntled. Normally, 4 hours is nothing and we just require more patience. However, they could easily negotiate with rtg to devise something to allow the comps to be redeemed in the cashier.

Hi Chuchu and all

You are quite correct in your above statement, we could make it much less time consuming for ourselves, however that is not what the majority of our players want.

I believe all other RTG Casino comp programs are automated (as far as I know) ours is a manual process.

The reason for this is our comps grow as they accumulate, that is, the first 50 points will redeem for $5, when you reach say 500 points then 50 points will now be worth $12.50. This continues to grow with every 50 points added until you are at 1950 you will then receive $34.25 for 50 points added.

Unfortunately to offer this we have to convert them manually, which in itself is a lot of work, however we feel the extra cash that we offer is worth a short delay now and again.

Thank you for allowing me this brief explanation.

Best regards
Emily

 

[chuchu59]

Hi Chuchu and all

You are quite correct in your above statement, we could make it much less time consuming for ourselves, however that is not what the majority of our players want.

I believe all other RTG Casino comp programs are automated (as far as I know) ours is a manual process.

The reason for this is our comps grow as they accumulate, that is, the first 50 points will redeem for $5, when you reach say 500 points then 50 points will now be worth $12.50. This continues to grow with every 50 points added until you are at 1950 you will then receive $34.25 for 50 points added.

Unfortunately to offer this we have to convert them manually, which in itself is a lot of work, however we feel the extra cash that we offer is worth a short delay now and again.

Thank you for allowing me this brief explanation.

Best regards
Emily

Emily,

I understand what you are saying thus my earlier comments. Your comps are progressive in nature so the more comps you redeem the better the rewards, However, RTG should be able to handle this conversion automatically. The software is advanced and surely the cashier can do the trick.

 

[MaryJean]

AND I GOT PAID YESTERDAY TOO!

I am happy to report I got paid yesterday afternoon.

The mail takes a longer time than when we could use QT but Inetbet seems to be on the ball.

Now if I could just keep the Pony Express galloping my way I'd really be happy!

Thank you Inet
MaryJean

 

[daveboz]

A piece of friendly advice RE: Inetbet

Just a heads up for those considering Inetbet. Be careful, this casino takes no prisoners. Just a little friendly advice... Does not take long.. Just like at CWC expect a 300% return within the first hour or so if you are a new customer....

High rollers especially steer clear. Stay below $5 a spin and you have a chance. Just tested them out the past few nights. Different kind of action than CWC, bigger wins during spin cycle, in exchange for mostly 5x-10X feature payouts. 200-250 spins is pretty much the average here. I hit a few good ones and continued playing through at $5-$12.50 per spin. Hit my features and got paid 5-10x bet average even up to 20 free spins. Also, what's with hitting a feature on the first spin after completing one? RTG cringing about how poor the last payout was? Seems to happen a lot. Or you hit it and get another 5X bet.

Win at Inetbet ... cash out... one poster recently said of his experience with an RTG casino; "something does not seem right". This one is different, as subtle as they come. But their servers are heavily monitored..

Once I fell through the 25X bet balance the screen kinda gave a brief mirage flash and then the screen color changed than it was over 25 straight $0.... Yes I was watching and waiting for it...It is a common "tell" in the RTG system. When you are nearly bust on a deposit you will hit a few wins so as not to go away completely mad. Happens all the time. But not this time, I caught the switch......

Loose Caboose of all games, the lowest RTP, I've ever seen requiring 300+ spins at a $12.50 bet to win 4 spins. LOL Won $24.25!

 

[Nifty29]

Just a heads up for those considering Inetbet. Be careful, this casino takes no prisoners. Just a little friendly advice... Does not take long.. Just like at CWC expect a 300% return within the first hour or so if you are a new customer....

High rollers especially steer clear. Stay below $5 a spin and you have a chance. Just tested them out the past few nights. Different kind of action than CWC, bigger wins during spin cycle, in exchange for mostly 5x-10X feature payouts. 200-250 spins is pretty much the average here. I hit a few good ones and continued playing through at $5-$12.50 per spin. Hit my features and got paid 5-10x bet average even up to 20 free spins. Also, what's with hitting a feature on the first spin after completing one? RTG cringing about how poor the last payout was? Seems to happen a lot. Or you hit it and get another 5X bet.

Win at Inetbet ... cash out... one poster recently said of his experience with an RTG casino; "something does not seem right". This one is different, as subtle as they come. But their servers are heavily monitored..

Once I fell through the 25X bet balance the screen kinda gave a brief mirage flash and then the screen color changed than it was over 25 straight $0.... Yes I was watching and waiting for it...It is a common "tell" in the RTG system. When you are nearly bust on a deposit you will hit a few wins so as not to go away completely mad. Happens all the time. But not this time, I caught the switch......

Loose Caboose of all games, the lowest RTP, I've ever seen requiring 300+ spins at a $12.50 bet to win 4 spins. LOL Won $24.25!

So, because you didn't win for a few nights, the casino is rigged I.e. heavily monitored.

Honestly, you really need to consider if online gambling is really for you.

I also think that you should refrain from accusations of dishonesty against operators, as you have absolutely no evidence other than the fact that you lose. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is tired of the same "Xx is rigged" rant every time you don't win.

 

[daveboz]

So, because you didn't win for a few nights, the casino is rigged I.e. heavily monitored.

Honestly, you really need to consider if online gambling is really for you.

I also think that you should refrain from accusations of dishonesty against operators, as you have absolutely no evidence other than the fact that you lose. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is tired of the same "Xx is rigged" rant every time you don't win.

Why are you assuming I lost?

 

[daveboz]

Why are you assuming I lost?

Actually I was up 6 x deposit tonight. maybe 4 x last night.

yes its rigged. look at my screenshot tonight. nobody wins only $20 on ten free spins at $6.25 a pop. Especially when it takes nearly $1,800 in wagers/churn to hit it. I was fortunate to hit it with pretty balanced wins throughout the 300 plus spins.

The 200X win automatically caps the payout on a feature at this casino, totally rigged.

How about 400x $10 on mr money last night? zilch. Rigged..

played again today at $5 hit three , 10-25x payout.

 

[Nifty29]

Actually I was up 6 x deposit tonight. maybe 4 x last night.

yes its rigged. look at my screenshot tonight. nobody wins only $20 on ten free spins at $6.25 a pop. Especially when it takes nearly $1,800 in wagers/churn to hit it. I was fortunate to hit it with pretty balanced wins throughout the 300 plus spins.

The 200X win automatically caps the payout on a feature at this casino, totally rigged.

How about 400x $10 on mr money last night? zilch. Rigged..

played again today at $5 hit three , 10-25x payout.

No it is not rigged.

Please educate yourself about how slots work and such things as variance.

 

[Simmo!]

nobody wins only $20 on ten free spins at $6.25 a pop.

True. I had not one but two 10 free spin sessions on Zeus this week (with extra stacked wilds) that paid... $0

I am around 100% certain that none of the major softwares are rigged - RTG, Playtech, Cryptologic, Microgaming, IGT, WMS - or:

a) they wouldn't have TST certificates
b) no-one would play there (as obviously anyone who thinks software is rigged would stop playing it)
c) Brands like Ladbrokes etc (and in particular those that are PLC and answer to shareholders) wouldn't risk not doing due diligence
d) After all these years don't you think someone, somewhere would have posted some proof?

If a player can't - or won't - get their head around game variance (volatility) and how to manage a bankroll then they are a casino-owner's dream player

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[chuchu59]

Actually I was up 6 x deposit tonight. maybe 4 x last night.

yes its rigged. look at my screenshot tonight. nobody wins only $20 on ten free spins at $6.25 a pop. Especially when it takes nearly $1,800 in wagers/churn to hit it. I was fortunate to hit it with pretty balanced wins throughout the 300 plus spins.

The 200X win automatically caps the payout on a feature at this casino, totally rigged.

How about 400x $10 on mr money last night? zilch. Rigged..

played again today at $5 hit three , 10-25x payout.

Oh come off it Dave. Not again! The examples you are quoting are merely based on the assumption that each and every feature that you get will pay out handsomely. Otherwise, the software is deemed rigged. If this were so, your screenshots in the WS thread are fefect examples of rigged software - but in your favour that is. You are on a RTG hot streak as judged from your recent posts and screenshots so please dont cry foul whenever you hit a bad patch. Be fair man.

 

[Jeffreysmile]

Also waiting on a withdrawal

I was lucky enough to win on their no deposit bonus. I am a US player and tough to find casinos that accept US players. So I tried inet bet and won. I signed up for a "mypaylinq" account, and its been a week now, no withdrawal yet. I am trying to find legit casinos to deposit into, and based on the long withdrawal times, makes me hesitant to want to deposit money.

 

[LaHutti]

No it is not rigged.

Please educate yourself about how slots work and such things as variance.

So how excactly did you come to that conclusion ?
And where and how did you become better educated than anyone else, in online gambling ? Do you have a certificate, that shows your degree, in playing slots online ?
I'm PRETTY sure I'm not the only one, who's tired of hearing how educated you are, and how NOT educated everyone with a different opinion than yours are.

 

[LaHutti]

Oh come off it Dave. Not again! The examples you are quoting are merely based on the assumption that each and every feature that you get will pay out handsomely. Otherwise, the software is deemed rigged. If this were so, your screenshots in the WS thread are fefect examples of rigged software - but in your favour that is. You are on a RTG hot streak as judged from your recent posts and screenshots so please dont cry foul whenever you hit a bad patch. Be fair man.

THAT on the other hand, sounds like an educated reply.
Well put chuchu.

 

[rainmaker]

So how excactly did you come to that conclusion ?
And where and how did you become better educated than anyone else, in online gambling ? Do you have a certificate, that shows your degree, in playing slots online ?
I'm PRETTY sure I'm not the only one, who's tired of hearing how educated you are, and how NOT educated everyone with a different opinion than yours are.

To give you an friendly advice.

Your post would have looked much better if you just asked the question "So how excactly did you come to that conclusion". The rest of the post will just generate more personal attacks.

You need to quit this at some point. People here are not interested in your beef with Nifty.

 

[silcnlayc]

The examples you are quoting are merely based on the assumption that each and every feature that you get will pay out handsomely.

Anyone look at the past (prior UIGEA) hits and non hits to see if there has been a big change?

The one thing that used to be (IMO) the goal WAS to hit the feature, whether it be the free spins or bonus rounds. That was the ultimate end to all the spins and investments many , many years ago. The casino (again, just my opinion) have wisened up on this and made a major change to the way the bonus/free spins are paying out.

Anyone thinking that these good runs still exist (the great bonus/free spins) is out to get a licking. Look way back...run my name if you like and see when I said this will come to pass. It seems many have forgotten those free spin/bonus wins that used to return a minimum of at least 100x your bet (of course, this is prior to UIGEA) and now accept this as the norm.

It is the norm now, so anyone playing, must really take care in what they are willing to lose. I just spent 5 hours in fun mode at the same casino playing the same games till I hit a feature and boy is it brutal. I invested over $400 @ 2.50 a spin to catch 16 spins at 6x the money and got..$149 return....figure it out...this again repeated on the next slot and then the next...$300 in...110 out...250 in...80 out...so...the casinos know what they are doing....they KNOW we feed off the feature rounds and have so adjusted them.

All I can say is..take care and stop trying for the "big" one because it is no longer there as you think it is..it will cost you two to three times the amount just to "catch" it...Just enjoy yourself or go to a landbased casino where you can walk and take a break...to ease the need..


Just my thoughts on this...
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[Nifty29]

Anyone look at the past (prior UIGEA) hits and non hits to see if there has been a big change?

The one thing that used to be (IMO) the goal WAS to hit the feature, whether it be the free spins or bonus rounds. That was the ultimate end to all the spins and investments many , many years ago. The casino (again, just my opinion) have wisened up on this and made a major change to the way the bonus/free spins are paying out.

Anyone thinking that these good runs still exist (the great bonus/free spins) is out to get a licking. Look way back...run my name if you like and see when I said this will come to pass. It seems many have forgotten those free spin/bonus wins that used to return a minimum of at least 100x your bet (of course, this is prior to UIGEA) and now accept this as the norm.

It is the norm now, so anyone playing, must really take care in what they are willing to lose. I just spent 5 hours in fun mode at the same casino playing the same games till I hit a feature and boy is it brutal. I invested over $400 @ 2.50 a spin to catch 16 spins at 6x the money and got..$149 return....figure it out...this again repeated on the next slot and then the next...$300 in...110 out...250 in...80 out...so...the casinos know what they are doing....they KNOW we feed off the feature rounds and have so adjusted them.

All I can say is..take care and stop trying for the "big" one because it is no longer there as you think it is..it will cost you two to three times the amount just to "catch" it...Just enjoy yourself or go to a landbased casino where you can walk and take a break...to ease the need..


Just my thoughts on this...
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Your opinion is well-formed.

It's a shame you don't have any data at all to back it up.

If you use the wayback machine and look at CM forums well before the US issues, you will see the same complaints about how the slots "don't pay like they used to" etc etc. If you and they are correct, then nobody at all would be playing because nobody at all would be winning anything....and this is not the case.

The winners screenshots thread has plenty of big hits, so how do you explain that? I also don't know of any slot anywhere that paid out 100xbet in just about every feature.

One thing that has changed is that most new slots are very high variance, meaning that there will be lots of low paying features along the way.

I know you have touted this theory before, and it remains completely unfounded. If you collect some data or come by some other related information e.g. backend screenshots, reel changes, I am (sincerely) all ears.

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29: It's a shame you don't have any data at all to back it up.

Nope, no, no data at all. Doesn't matter all that much anymore since the USA Players have been pushed out...check the screenies...see how many USA ones there are...there is the "proof" of change. I do not need the Enquirer to show me pics to believe either...even if they say it is proof of unadulterated photos and data on the front page...the aliens have arrived photo...yep..got to believe cause it shows it right there...the proof!!!! Just goes to show, that data and proof are ironclad and can never be skewed or wrong!!

ALIEN SPACESHIPS TO ATTACK EARTH IN NOVEMBER!
Posted on Saturday, July 16th, 2011


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[Nifty29]

Nope, no, no data at all. Doesn't matter all that much anymore since the USA Players have been pushed out...check the screenies...see how many USA ones there are...there is the "proof" of change. I do not need the Enquirer to show me pics to believe either...even if they say it is proof of unadulterated photos and data on the front page...the aliens have arrived photo...yep..got to believe cause it shows it right there...the proof!!!! Just goes to show, that data and proof are ironclad and can never be skewed or wrong!!

ALIEN SPACESHIPS TO ATTACK EARTH IN NOVEMBER!
Posted on Saturday, July 16th, 2011

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I guess when you cannot put forward a proper argument, the best defence is to distract with completely unrelated material. It's cool. It says a lot to the readers, particularly newbies and lurkers, about the substance of your theories. Posting pics of flying saucers is pretty much hitting the mark when it comes to your "thoughts".

I could also point out that the lack of US screenies is related to the restricted choice of casinos and, hence, the decline in the number of active US players. I could also point out that many members do not post screenies at all, so making sweeping statements about this equalling lower payouts is nonsense at best.

Yes, it is "proof of change" i.e. there are less players from the US due to the UIGEA.

It's a shame you cannot take the debate seriously, but I understand why you choose to avoid doing so.

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29 : I guess when you cannot put forward a proper argument, the best defence is to distract with completely unrelated material

Nifty29 , I chose this route. I had a "proper" reply but came back and erased it because I know I do not need or crave your approval or need or want to prove anything to you since you so convieniently fail each and every time to prove they have not changed. Where is YOUR proof of this non change? Show me the following ....you can't can you, so how can you claim and say it is the truth so blindly???

some data or come by some other related information e.g. backend screenshots, reel changes, I am (sincerely) all ears.

Back at you...show me your proof all is the same....I do not see a screenshot of anything prior to UIGEA or after from you showing things are the same..so how can you go around spouting this as "the truth"?

It's a shame you cannot take the debate seriously, but I understand why you choose to avoid doing so.

Debate? What debate? I see no data or proof on the table that all is the same to dispute my claim of things have changed..only when both sides show "proof" can one have a debate..where is you side?

I know, you subscribe to the Enquirer and believe....all that is....I do understand....it is a powerful feeling knowing all....and that rag (newspaper) is the best IMO too! So I guess we do have something in common!


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[Nifty29]

Nifty29 , I chose this route. I had a "proper" reply but came back and erased it because I know I do not need your approval or to prove anything to you since you so convieniently fail each and every time you demand from another in proving they have not changed. Where is YOUR proof of this non change? Show me Back at you...show me your proof all is the same....I do not see a screenshot of anything prior to UIGEA or after from you showing things are the same..so how can you go around spouting this as "the truth"? I know, you subscribe to the Enquirer and believe....all that is....


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You erased the "proper" reply because you know it would be open to argument....because your theory is based on nothing other than, well, I don't really know because you haven't supplied any basis.

You're asking me to "prove" that there has been "no change (in payouts)". I'm not the one posting in the first place that things have changed - it's up to you to prove your theory. Geez, talk about a cop-out..."I'm not gonna prove mine unless you prove yours first"

I didn't say there was any proof of there being "no change". I said there was no proof of there being a change in payouts......which, in turn, means that there is no change. The fact that you cannot provide proof that payouts have changed proves my argument.

If you had said "I think the payouts have changed. It's just a feeling I have. I have no evidence to back it up, it's just my thoughts" then that would be completely fine and I would be respecting it. However, you are making claims and I am refuting them. It's up to you to make your case.

A good starting point would be to gather RTP % published annually by most casinos. Make a graph or spreadsheet over 5 or 10 years. If it shows the dramatic fall you are talking about, then I accede to your point of view. Of course, the conspiracy theorist bereft of evidence would just say "well they are all lying anyway etc etc".....I hope you don't take that path. I would collect the data myself but I'm not the one making the claims. If you're serious about your views, then the above is a great way to begin the collection of evidence.

I don't see what subscriptions to the Enquirer or any other publication has to do with anything. It just appears to be a cheap shot to, once again, divert attention away from the lack of data/evidence you possess.

 

[silcnlayc]

Today 10:15 PM Nifty29 : If you had said "I think the payouts have changed. It's just a feeling I have. I have no evidence to back it up, it's just my thoughts" then that would be completely fine and I would be respecting it.

I guess this does not qualify for some reason especially since you posted just what I posted? ...huh?

Just my thoughts on this...

Where's my respect now??? LMAO....you really do know how to cheer up others..and I thank you for that!

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[silcnlayc]

Nifty29 : I don't see what subscriptions to the Enquirer or any other publication has to do with anything. It just appears to be a cheap shot to, once again, divert attention away from the lack of data/evidence you possess.

It has a lot to do with the things you say....you say one thing and it is already said but then claim something different...it is like the Twilight zone when reading what you write...hence..the Enquirer...for those that want the "Truth" ones own truth...just as your previous post shows...


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[Nifty29]

It has a lot to do with the things you say....you say one thing and it is already said but then claim something different...it is like the Twilight zone when reading what you write...hence..the Enquirer...for those that want the "Truth" ones own truth...just as your previous post shows...


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Examples please? I am not the one stating that casinos are somehow "cheating" US players by lowering their payouts?

Again, attempting to deflect the attention away from the real issues....which you have still not addressed.

I guess this does not qualify for some reason especially since you posted just what I posted? ...huh? Where's my respect now??? LMAO....you really do know how to cheer up others..and I thank you for that!

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No, you made a whole lot of unsubstantiated claims based on nothing and then added at the end "It's just my thoughts". It is not the same at all. You actually proport to have evidence, when you clearly do not (less screenshots is not evidence btw).

I respect anyone and everyone who can put across a point of view and back it up with facts. I have demonstrated this time and time again over the past decade.

I do not have respect for those who make wild accusations (and by saying casinos are lowering payouts behind the scenes it is exactly what you are doing) and disseminate baseless theories and don't even attempt to back it up with anything other than "I lost" or "the features don't pay like they used to".

There is no point continuing the debate, as you are constantly avoiding the issues and resorting to making personal comments about my characted based on what publications you think that I read, among other pointless comments.

 

[chuchu59]

We have neither the technical expertise nor the resources to back up everything we say. Most things in the world are first felt by a gut feeling followed by trial and error. Its a pity I dont have the financial resources to try them out incessantly. However, I observed that payouts from the features seldom pay out as much as they used to but imo this is not what the operators are aiming at. They are most likely to look for ways to reduce the rtp by a couple of percentage points unnoticingly by say lessening the number of small scatter wins. You cant prove it or otherwise but if you take the time and patience to observe you might notice some changes.