Inet.......The last straw

Thats fair enough Max. I understand where your coming from and I see your point. We do differ however on whats `acceptable` for a timely response. The correct answer however you wish to view it is immediately. 32Red hasent reached its status of being the best casino there ever was by following the idealogy of casinos like Inetbet. However its a turn about argument as every side has their own view points and i dont wish this to become an embroiled battle. Suffice it to say, your right saying that if your not happy with a casino who doesnt offer live chat to move on to one who does. This is a long term battle that in my opinion inet is going to ultimately lose.
 
iNetBet has been Accredited at Casinomeister for nearly 20 years.
AFAIC being accredited is one thing, and being top of the pile is another, those that constantly win a form of casino of the year do so by having the best of the best customer support ethics in place, and ofc all the other aspects of being accredited.

lol True but then surely there should be an award out of all the accredited for whos the worst? Nominations anyone? :rolleyes:
 
lol True but then surely there should be an award out of all the accredited for whos the worst? Nominations anyone? :rolleyes:

Lol, i`m not going down that road - slight derail - if you think Inet have bad CS, you should try Neteller over a holiday period when a deposit/withdrawal has borked, here`s the side I just cannot get my head around......

1). Neteller are a merchant banking franchise.

2). All they deal in is cash.

3). They have 24/7/365 CS.

4). All these are therefore employed/trained in cash related problems.

Then, why the hell when you get in touch with them, with an obviously related cash problem, do they reliably inform you that your problem cannot be rectified until the grown-ups return from holiday?.

1). Why are cash related CS employees there for if they cannot resolve cash related problems.

2). Just exactly what other problems are a cash orientated business expecting to get?.

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I have said my piece on this matter, Max and I share a very different opinion that I do not believe will ever be agreed upon. Unfortunately I do not think my words will have any impact on the situation.

Thank you all for your input, I do appreciate it.
 
I'm currently having email communication problems with Inetbet. I'd like to think they are not ignoring me, as well as a forum they are a sponsor at.

First communication was Jan 28, I sent a followup Jan 31, and another from a different email address on Feb 4th. I've now asked for help from the other forum (yesterday), but haven't yet had a response.

I don't think this is timely at all. It's quite a routine issue.
 
I had a problem here towards the end of last year.I have a few problems getting verified due to having no ID and stupidly played here before getting verified.

Sent the fax back form back with letters with my address at the top along with 1 or 2 other things I was told would be ok,a few times they "weren't received",so I resent them then there'd be some other issue.

Sometimes I was worried they wouldn't receive my answer to something they asked me and I would send an email to actually ask if they had received my last reply!

They even came up with the excuse the fax back form has been printed/filled in over 2 sheets-this needs redoing (I only had chance to do this once as I don't have access to a printer),when common sense could prevail and a stapler could attach the 2 sheets thus there being no issue.

Then 1 guy from support told me they would do that and that would be fine,then a rather sarcastic lady (Jane I think her name was) told me it wasn't fine and asked me to resend it.

Then due to my brother having an account-under the same household,they took around $80 of off me and just refunded my deposit-which I assumed I couldn't withdraw as I couldn't get verified!

I was intending to go through with a pab but there had been that many excuses I really didn't have a hope in hell-plus I couldn't be bothered arguing the toss over $100 over xmas.

So it was at this point I emailed for my account to be closed,to which I received the reply from 'Jane' "done".
 
I would say there is a very good reason preventing him from doing so: a desire not to interfere in a casino's manner of doing it's business. Again, the requirement is that they deal with player issues, be it by email, chat, or candy-gram if they so choose.



No, not "right". The Accred rules as I read them are codes of conduct, the basic requirements for being eligible for Accreditation. That's not telling anyone anything, that's saying "if you want to be included these are the grounds on which you will be considered". Maybe it's a chicken-and-egg thing but the point AFAIC is that we're not in the business of dictating anything to anyone. We are in the business of requireing certain levels of conduct be met in order to be Accred: handling player issues is one of those requirements, the technology used is not.

And no, I don't think responding within a few hours is necessary. Nice if they do, but hardly necessary. Again this gets down to personal tastes, IMHO. If you require them to respond in less than three hours then by all means do take your business to casinos that are willing and able to do that. Will a casino be stripped of their Accred status if they don't? I seriously doubt it. Most of the casinos I deal with take days to respond, sometimes longer if things are getting complicated. Admittedly my circumstances are different from yours but the point is that acceptable speed of response is your call to make, it's a personal thing. For me (in the work I do) it's days not hours.


very good reason preventing him from doing so: a desire not to interfere in a casino's manner of doing it's business.

I don't see it as an interference with (1) casinos business practice, they can practice the way they want to they just wouldn't be accredited here. Furthermore, I see it as a help to iNet as it would/could increase player satisfaction and retention, which in turn would also help Bryan if he gets a piece of the pie.

the requirement is that they deal with player issues, be it by email, chat, or candy-gram if they so choose.


...In a timely and professional manner!
Customer service is supposed to be just that, to service the customer. If it was a face to face customer and they were left at the counter for 2-3+ hours or left on the phone for 2-3+ hours, would that be acceptable? NO
It should be the same standards in the virtual gaming customer service world.

I don't think responding within a few hours is necessary.

It is if they don't want to continue to lose players. They are successful, but how much more could they be if they would listen to the simple request of the people who actually put a roof over their head and food on their table?...
 
The problem seems to be down to the definition of what is a reasonable time. iNetBet are unique in that they have no "live" option that would allow for a conversation to take place, where "reasonable time" would be the time spent on hold on the phone or chat queue. Most people consider more than a few minutes unreasonable. The next criteria are related to how efficiently the issue has been dealt with. The problem with some of the iNetBet complaints is that it is like a conversation with someone on Mars, with only one item being coped with by CS. Naturally, a different style is needed when email is used, but what happens seems to be that the CS agent deals with the first issue in the email, and ignores any other issues after this. The reason players bundle more than one issue in an email should be obvious, they KNOW that it is a delayed medium of communication, so want everything dealt with in one exchange, rather than a number of separate exchanges over a period of hours.

For resolving an issue, account has to be taken of whether it is "time critical", such as a problem with a coupon expiring in the next three hours. In such a case, a reasonable time for resolving the issue would be less than the three hours till the coupon expires. Whilst the player might not like the reply, NO reply is not "professional".

Although 2 hours in itself was not too bad, in this case they failed to tell the whole truth to the player, which lead to a repeat of the issue the following Monday. Had they mentioned on the Tuesday that it was a known issue, the player could have avoided the problems on the Monday by either using a different deposit method, or first contacting support for a status update on the problem, and not depositing by the affected means till confirmation had been received that the issues had been solved.

Also, by not keeping players in the loop, CS would have been burdened with a number of players who had encountered the same issue, one which they might have avoided were they told that this particular method was failing, and needing manual correction.

With the current setup, there is no means to "discuss" anything with a CS rep at iNetBet in a live conversation, everything is done by message exchange, which just does not suit the more complex issues where each side may not be quite understanding the other.

iNetBet are certainly losing customers when their systems foul up, and having to replace them with new ones. Many players do not see the problems because they are lucky enough that everything runs smoothly, and they never have to contact CS. These players will consider iNetBet worthy of their status, whereas those that have encountered a string of problems will wonder how on earth they manage to remain accredited despite this.

It seems that after years of complaints about the iNetBet email system, no-one has conducted a detailed investigation and suggested a cause and solution for those players that have issues. If the cause is an ISP, they are NEVER going to admit it, and will lie to their customers in order to pass the blame onto someone else. If their ISP says there are no issues, and so does iNetBet, and the player is certain there is nothing wrojng with his kit, the player is left to choose who they trust the least, and blame them. This often ends up being the online casino, as many players trust that their ISP is more trustworthy, and unlike the casinos, has a regulator looking over their shoulder. Players will trust their own kit simply because they paid good money for it, and have not seen any obvious signs of a general problem. If it is ONLY emails to iNetBet that go astray, they are never going to believe it is a problem with their ISP or PC, because this would surely lead to more widespread problems with emails.

It is a similar issue to the one where there are widespread reports that the RTG software won't install, won't open, or won't log in, often after one of those lobby updates. Some players get the problems, others don't, but most will argue that if it worked before, and the lobby update broke it, the fault lies with the software, not their kit. The best CS can offer in such situations is "uninstall and reinstall", which is a bit like the art of fixing an old TV by repeatedly thumping it till the picture returns. It sometimes works, but does nothing to address the underlying cause of the loss of picture.
 
Very good post SlotyJunkie :thumbsup:


very good reason preventing him from doing so: a desire not to interfere in a casino's manner of doing it's business.

I don't see it as an interference with (1) casinos business practice, they can practice the way they want to they just wouldn't be accredited here. Furthermore, I see it as a help to iNet as it would/could increase player satisfaction and retention, which in turn would also help Bryan if he gets a piece of the pie.

the requirement is that they deal with player issues, be it by email, chat, or candy-gram if they so choose.


...In a timely and professional manner!
Customer service is supposed to be just that, to service the customer. If it was a face to face customer and they were left at the counter for 2-3+ hours or left on the phone for 2-3+ hours, would that be acceptable? NO
It should be the same standards in the virtual gaming customer service world.

I don't think responding within a few hours is necessary.

It is if they don't want to continue to lose players. They are successful, but how much more could they be if they would listen to the simple request of the people who actually put a roof over their head and food on their table?...
 
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I have to agree, Inetbet is going down the tubes, payouts suck, service not any better but they have big heads there and think they perfect when they arn't falling to the wayside. With so many online casinosto compete with you'd think Emily would get her head out of her proverbial Butt and make some changes but I doubt she will.
 
I have to agree, Inetbet is going down the tubes, payouts suck, service not any better but they have big heads there and think they perfect when they arn't falling to the wayside. With so many online casinosto compete with you'd think Emily would get her head out of her proverbial Butt and make some changes but I doubt she will.

Lets not get personal.
 
Inetbet does need to work out this "support" issue. It's costing customers and money.

I have made a personal decision that if a casino doesn't respond to my emails then I won't play there. If you don't have the common courtesy to respond to me then so be it. I have sent numerous emails to Inetbet in the past and have got no response. That being said when they actually respond to the emails I sent last time I will play there again. It's only been over a year so I don't have much hope.

The "ISP problems and email issues" are excuses (BS if you will) and people are tired of hearing it. If an accredited casino has to make excuses for it's business then it's a serious red flag to me. It makes you wonder what is going on in the backend of the business. If you payout in a timely fashion that's great and I am happy. If you can't respond to an email, provide live chat, or offer a phone line for your customers that makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes. Something isn't right IMO.

I have sent emails that have been responded to. Most have not though. I am thinking these people are on a shift or something. They come into a house at a certain time and respond to emails and some get a fast response others get nothing. If your responding to an email many hours later the person will be pissed, or have gone elsewhere by then so it's easier to just delete. The last email I sent (that was responded to) I got a five word response back on. Not very professional.

They don't offer live chat for a reason. It has nothing to do with freeloaders, beggars, or whatever excuse is thrown. As someone put in another thread you just tag your live chat window with "no free chips can be given via live chat" and that is solved. The real reason is because live chat (usually) requires more than one person - who has to be there 24 hours a day. It's a cost factor. Is it they don't have the money? Or they don't want to spend the money? People tend to speculate in matters like this.

This thread will end up going into rough seas and getting out of control. These threads about Inetbet and support usually do. My advice is if people don't like the options then don't play there. You work hard for your money and you have many choices to play online. Inetbet can make all the excuses about support they want but if you continue to deposit here your only allowing them to continue to get away with offering sub-par service.
 
I recently had a concern about the security of my account with Inetbet, so I emailed them and they confirmed that it was ok and came from my ISP BUT..they said they would CALL me, if I had a problem with this, still.

My concern was not a security issue, it was a delay on my Netspend card ...took about 5 days to clear and show in my account.

I should have taken them up with their 'call' to me....although when I gave them my updated cell number, they did not call.
 
Inetbet does need to work out this "support" issue. It's costing customers and money.

I have made a personal decision that if a casino doesn't respond to my emails then I won't play there. If you don't have the common courtesy to respond to me then so be it. I have sent numerous emails to Inetbet in the past and have got no response. That being said when they actually respond to the emails I sent last time I will play there again. It's only been over a year so I don't have much hope.

The "ISP problems and email issues" are excuses (BS if you will) and people are tired of hearing it. If an accredited casino has to make excuses for it's business then it's a serious red flag to me. It makes you wonder what is going on in the backend of the business. If you payout in a timely fashion that's great and I am happy. If you can't respond to an email, provide live chat, or offer a phone line for your customers that makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes. Something isn't right IMO.

I have sent emails that have been responded to. Most have not though. I am thinking these people are on a shift or something. They come into a house at a certain time and respond to emails and some get a fast response others get nothing. If your responding to an email many hours later the person will be pissed, or have gone elsewhere by then so it's easier to just delete. The last email I sent (that was responded to) I got a five word response back on. Not very professional.

They don't offer live chat for a reason. It has nothing to do with freeloaders, beggars, or whatever excuse is thrown. As someone put in another thread you just tag your live chat window with "no free chips can be given via live chat" and that is solved. The real reason is because live chat (usually) requires more than one person - who has to be there 24 hours a day. It's a cost factor. Is it they don't have the money? Or they don't want to spend the money? People tend to speculate in matters like this.

This thread will end up going into rough seas and getting out of control. These threads about Inetbet and support usually do. My advice is if people don't like the options then don't play there. You work hard for your money and you have many choices to play online. Inetbet can make all the excuses about support they want but if you continue to deposit here your only allowing them to continue to get away with offering sub-par service.

This illustrates the problem. It is clear that some emails NEVER get dealt with, yet all we hear are blame shifting excuses (it's your ISP, your PC isn't sending them, etc). This might be true some of the time, but what about the other times where players have run tests and found nothing wrong with their emails getting out to other places, and see the problem is only that their emails never reach iNetBet. It is hard to believe that a problem their end could be so very specific that only their emails to iNetBet fail to get through. The more logical conclusion is that there is something at iNetBet's end that causes their emails to fail to make it to the CS desk, or that CS staff fail to read them and reply. The ONLY way to chase up a non-reply is to send another email, but in some cases this chaser also fails to get through.

I doubt a reply after one year will be of any use, so it can be taken as evidence that the issue was ignored if it was one that needed a reply.

Things would be much worse if iNetBet didn't operate forum reps, as many issues related to email problems only get addressed via the rep here, or through CM.

The problems seem to go unchallenged because many players just give up trying and move elsewhere, and do not bother to PAB over such an issue. This means that there are no actual case studies for Max to investigate and find out what went wrong in specific cases. With only tales of woe on the forum, there is no hard evidence that warrants a removal from the accredited status for breaching the customer service standards.

If aggrieved players want action, as well as closing their accounts, they should PAB about the issue that drove them to this so that case studies can be built up to see where the fault lies.

iNetBet are not the only casino to have persistent email problems. My experience is that Jackpot Factory are much worse than iNetBet for "losing" emails from players, but they DO also have phone and chat, so it is not such a problem to chase up an issue that has been ignored when sent as an email.

iNetBet has decided to rely 100% on email, a system that is known to be unreliable as a means of "mission critical" communications. They are setting themselves up for these problems, and inevitably tempers fray and we get another "bash iNetBet" thread, triggered by a poorly handled CS issue that has been allowed to escalate because the player has been unable to get any kind of responce in what he feels is a reasonable timeframe.
 
The problems seem to go unchallenged because many players just give up trying and move elsewhere, and do not bother to PAB over such an issue. This means that there are no actual case studies for Max to investigate and find out what went wrong in specific cases. With only tales of woe on the forum, there is no hard evidence that warrants a removal from the accredited status for breaching the customer service standards.

If I have a question about a bonus or something in that regard (simple) then to PAB would be a bit extreme. For anyone to have to PAB to get an answer to an email I also see as extreme. I don't feel it's fair to CM to file a PAB because I can't get a response to an email from a casino. Then CM would be doing the job of the casino.

Inetbet has pointed the blame for it's delayed (or non-existant) responses for a long time. They know the problem is happening. They are aware. It's an ongoing issue. If they cared about their customers they would fix these problems instead of making excuses or avoiding the situation. If Inetbet is accredited or not isn't my decision but the end result to play there is.

iNetBet has decided to rely 100% on email, a system that is known to be unreliable as a means of "mission critical" communications. They are setting themselves up for these problems, and inevitably tempers fray and we get another "bash iNetBet" thread, triggered by a poorly handled CS issue that has been allowed to escalate because the player has been unable to get any kind of responce in what he feels is a reasonable timeframe.

I agree. The issue of "missing emails" will always follow Inetbet until they deal with it head on. Everyone will argue on what "reasonable time frame" is but if you use email as your only support option it should be fast. I think an hour is fair enough for a response time. Especially when your responding with one sentence responses.
 
Try emailing "manager@inetbet.com" attn: Emily

also, try emailing through the website by clicking on contact us and filling out the form. I haven't had any problems with responses anytime recently.

I am not saying that particular players may be having the problems they state.

Also, when I have contacted the rep here, I have always had a response to my original emails almost immediately. Strange but true.
 
I will say this in regards to live chat. Whenever there is an issue, it is taken care of 99.9% of the time in less than 30 seconds for me. Sometimes it is a missing deposit (not credited) sometimes I can't log in (casino is down) . I mean it really is a very simple thing to let players know you care enough to give them this peace of mind, I believe. Think of all those unanswered emails that go on and on for hours on end, backed up .....why? When it can be dealt with quickly and efficiently.

Not everyone wants a bonus. Just someone to be there when there is a need for an answer at the moment.

There would be no backlog of players waiting hours to find out that the casino is down or the missing deposit is found or in other cases, the missing bonus can be given within seconds by support in live chat. Doesn't it bother you even a little that you would rather be a casino many want to avoid over this one thing?

Lets do this...we go to a cashiers window in the casino and there is one person behind the window.....she has 50 in line waiting to get help from her....

Now, we say the heck with that and we go down the street and here is another casino...with all 5 windows open, no one waiting in line and we stroll right up and ask our question, then satisfied with the quick service...we hurry to the nearest machine and plop down and start to happily play all within a few seconds....all the while at the other casino, there are now over 75 in line waiting...hmmm..which one would you choose to play at???

It benefits both parties to be communicative I believe. The reasons given is not viable at all for not having live chat...JMO..

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I think we all believe they need live chat.........

I just wonder what there reason is for not wanting to provide it. I would guess that Number 1: they would need to hire more employees
but in response to that I would say you need no more employees to answer a live chat then you do to answer emails but responding to a live chat may take quite sometime if you only have one employee answering both emails and live chat. I think they only have one employee working to answer emails.I could be wrong and if I am perhaps their rep will provide the correct information.

I seriously can't think of another reason as providing live chat surely wouldn't be much of an additional cost, software wise. It is not as if they are providing a Toll free number as the majority of other RTG's provide.

Therefore, as a business person, I would suspect the total reason is that they don't want to spend any additional money to provide players with better customer support.

On the flip side, CS aside, they are one of the fastest payouts that U.S. players have.

Take the good with the bad or don't play there. IMO
 
I signed up with Inetbet a few years ago, like many Casinos, it might take a year or two for me to try them out. I sent documents, never got replies (Yet very other Casino confirmed they received the SAME batch of documents). When the docs eventually reached them, they had some other excuse or requirement so I gave up and closed my account.

Constructive Criticism was the answer in the last thread - Nothing Happened. We will have another 20 threads about this and it will remain the same.

An auto reply system COULD be implemented - It has not. Inet continues to ignore pleas for live help. They will not change their stance.

The reality is, you are beating a Dead Horse and with all due respect to Inet, they are stubborn and won't budge.

Nate
 
I can't believe the operators are so inept as to not realize that a player wants immediate response. I can't count the number of times I have gone off and made a deposit elsewhere, where I felt I would not get my questions answered in a timely manner at iNet. When I have time from work to play, my time is like gold, as far as limited gambling time is concerned. I want to play now and I want answers and service now. If I feel I cannot immediately get them, I won't waste my time there, but I will go play elsewhere. IMO, they are only shooting themselves in the foot. Also, it's clear from their most recent and past responses that they simply DO NOT CARE. Rookie move, if you ask me. I'm gonna spend the money, but apparently they have too much of it and don't need mine. We spend money, some of us a lot of it. We may demand service and casinos would be well advised to provide it. Without us players they have nothing. Unfortunately, too many of them have adopted an arrogant attitude and it is almost like they forgot where their fortunes have come from to begin with.

We should be showing them our tail lights, not our deposits.
 
An auto reply system with ticket numbers would be a good step forward IMO.

Really?!? I detest those auto-reply systems. Way too often they're just another screen for lazy-ass operators to hide behind.

Just out of curiousity what would you say they contribute to the complaints process?
 
Really?!? I detest those auto-reply systems. Way too often they're just another screen for lazy-ass operators to hide behind.

Many of the complaints against Inetbet are related to people being unsure IF the Casino received the email in the first place. I think its a starting point and will at least let the players know their mail was delivered.

Nate
 
iNetBet has been Accredited at Casinomeister for nearly 20 years.

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