i need help plz!!

uxix

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ey guys, i won over 60k from royal joker casino (40k now actually) lost while waiting to be verified...now i am BUT i cant use any ewallets for gaming transactions..
the only option left was wire transfer but i found out today that to wire that much money..even in small increments it has to be from someone i know personally and they would ask a lot of questions like who why and why...
i know this as i even opened a new account at a new bank where a friend works and he explained everything ( i also heard it from a few people)..

Royal Joker has been trying to help but also a check option isnt available to ISRAEL..now they made an exception and offered to wire the money to an account not in my name and also not in israel BUT i dont have anyone out there...

Do u guys have any suggestions???? i'm really frustrated and dont know what to do!!!!
 
Do you asked them if it's possible from their side to send the ammount periodically in parts? Fore example 1st week to send 5.000 and every week the remaining ammounts in parts.
They dont have a problem with that but the problem is from here...they need to know EVERYTHING about who is sending the money and if its not a relative then it'll get rejected.
 
Might have a problem coming home. Customs in many countries would raise an eyebrow if you had forty grand stuffed in your pockets.
 
The casino should have a solution to your dilema. The fact they do not seems worrying. 40k wins although large to your average player, is a drop in the ocean to what some of these casino progressives pay.

So before a player from Israel signs up to their casino this "what if" scenario should be factored in. Because "what if" a guy from Israel wins a couple of million?

Doesn't seem the casino is being proactive enough in tackling this kind of issue. It probably doesn't come up often, because most players will not win anywhere near this amount.

IMO if a casino is taking deposits from 100+ countrys, then they should be able to provide a way to payout to 100+ countrys.

Also what is the problem with wire payments to Israel, Tel Aviv the capital is a thriving banking and commerce hub.

Mike
 
Also what is the problem with wire payments to Israel, Tel Aviv the capital is a thriving banking and commerce hub.

Mike
They need detailed info about from who the money is coming from and why and how.....and if its not from a relative with proof then it'll get rejected.

Even if its in increments u still need to explain everything in detail why every transfer is done and stuff...
 
Ok then, how about opening a bank account in another country, have the money sent there, then you could write yourself checks. Either that or get a debit card from that bank and just use it to withdraw cash at an ATM.

I know the laws in Israel are pretty stringent regarding online gaming, but there has to be a way around it.
 
Robwin gave you the idea.
First go wherever the casino is located to pickup the money in person.
Than buy a ticket to vegas spend there couple days at xxx casino wager some money and voila'...take (whatever you have left) the money home.
worst scenario It may cost you 10k...better 30k than nothing.
ps
stop playing the rest ....that's completely nonsense.imo:confused:
 
Or, do a small European Vacation. Skiing in the Swiss Alps (with a new bank account) then to Monte Carlo (very odd slots IMHO but doable) then home:D
 
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First of all if you put the money in anybody else's name you'll probably never see it again. (Including mine.)

Second of all you might want to be careful taking a trip and pretending to win such a large amount of money because some nosey person might want to verify your winnings when you return.

I've never tried to open a bank account in another country. If you can do that and put the money there and then keep your mouth shut so nobody knows it's there you might be able to quietly squander it away in small amounts by withdrawing it as cash. Make sure the account is somewhere that gambling is legal so the bank doesn't refuse it.

By the way. 40k sounds like a lot of money but if you run off to Vegas with it chances are you'll come back broke.... Which would actually solve the problem but be a whole lot less fun.
 
Hiya: First off, of course the casino is willing to send the money to you a little at a time. You already gave back part of it, and the more left in the Casino, the more likely you are to give back more of it. If I was them, i would offer to send you $10 a week if you wanted.....hehehe

Does Pay Pal have service in Isreal? If so, you could just open an account. Then put up a item for sale for the $ you want sent, and let the Casino send it to you thru Paypal/ebay. If you get creative, there are all sorts of ways to get the money.......:thumbsup:
 
Would his passport give him away? He may be able to have casino wire money to acct opened up at one of vegas casinos and then go right to vegas to pick up cash from that casino. For that amount the casino would prob pay for airline tickets and room and meals.
I am sure you know the money is wired to the casino's bank on one's behalf. Can you say money laundering if all work and no play.;)
 
If the casino is sincerely trying to pay you, why not send you the money as a "consultant on software development and testing". You could send a few emails outlining your impressions and thoughts for improvement.

Undoubted, income from a foreign source of employment would be taxed. But as I understand it, Israel is host (as is Canada, India, Australian and CostaRica) to all kinds of casino support centres. I'm sure you've spent plenty of time with their support already, perhaps that could be your field of expertise.

A visit to their offices and a few days spent is not impossible. Consultant fees are often $25K plus per week.
 
First of all if you put the money in anybody else's name you'll probably never see it again. (Including mine.)
Second of all you might want to be careful taking a trip and pretending to win such a large amount of money because some nosey person might want to verify your winnings when you return.

I've never tried to open a bank account in another country. If you can do that and put the money there and then keep your mouth shut so nobody knows it's there you might be able to quietly squander it away in small amounts by withdrawing it as cash. Make sure the account is somewhere that gambling is legal so the bank doesn't refuse it.

By the way. 40k sounds like a lot of money but if you run off to Vegas with it chances are you'll come back broke.... Which would actually solve the problem but be a whole lot less fun.


:lolup: Ditto
 
YOur post is not clear ,pls inlight Me

:confused:

what are you talking about exact ? you won in royal joker while you were in isreal
or while you are in america ?

or you want to deposit in places and dont know how ?

if you won ,and want to recieve the money

why can you not have it received in a bank wire to a bank ( on your name ofcourse) , it cost about 120 shekels from the isreali bank ,and i believe
Royaljoker charge 50 dollars on his side . and it can be in single shipment
no problems . good luck on the winning

if you are in america you can do the same thing .
 
Catcat, I'm glad to see a player from Israel respond to the OP. Just like the USA, gambling is not sanctioned for Israelis. Many casinos do not accept players from Israel.

You've been gambling online quite a while. I'm hoping perhaps you might help the OP by private message.

There is an America the Beautiful Section here at CM to share such knowledge in private, but there is no Israel the Beautiful section, nor other countries where gambling online is not a legal activity for adult people.

Catcat, I believe the player deposited and played from Israel. He is now looking for a way to make a withdrawal.

I think you may be in a better position to help him than those of us in other countries with different laws.
:confused:

what are you talking about exact ? you won in royal joker while you were in isreal
or while you are in america ?

or you want to deposit in places and dont know how ?

if you won ,and want to recieve the money

why can you not have it received in a bank wire to a bank ( on your name ofcourse) , it cost about 120 shekels from the isreali bank ,and i believe
Royaljoker charge 50 dollars on his side . and it can be in single shipment
no problems . good luck on the winning

if you are in america you can do the same thing .
 
Same problems on most countries outside USA. But at least here banks dont ask where the money is coming from, as long as you pay their $20 fee.

Continue to play with the money and lost it. You'll get rid of a big problem.
 
:confused:

what are you talking about exact ? you won in royal joker while you were in isreal
or while you are in america ?

or you want to deposit in places and dont know how ?

if you won ,and want to recieve the money

why can you not have it received in a bank wire to a bank ( on your name ofcourse) , it cost about 120 shekels from the isreali bank ,and i believe
Royaljoker charge 50 dollars on his side . and it can be in single shipment
no problems . good luck on the winning

if you are in america you can do the same thing .
I'm playing from israel..
Like i said if i wire it it wont be accepted as they need proof that i know the person and and in detail why is he sending me a lot of money and they would contact the sender to confirm the info for such a large sum...? i cant just say i won it at an online casino can i?
if ur from israel and u did this before then please tell me how step by step how much u withdrew..and how much time in between withdrawals..

also they cant send it as a single shipment as the max for wire is 10000$ at a time but thats not a problem..

To the person who asked how i won..i posted the screenshots in the screenshot section:)

Thanks for all the replies guys!
 
I'm playing from israel..
Like i said if i wire it it wont be accepted as they need proof that i know the person and and in detail why is he sending me a lot of money and they would contact the sender to confirm the info for such a large sum...? i cant just say i won it at an online casino can i?

why not?? :confused:
is gambling illegal in Israel?
i understand where they coming from when they want to check where the money wired from but the casino you won at should not have any issues confirming that.
 
Police bust Israeli Internet gambling ring
16 December 2009



ISRAEL -- Five men were arrested Tuesday when Israeli police busted an online gambling network that used a server in Eastern Europe, according to Haaretz.

The arrests followed a lengthy investigation by the anti fraud and anti gambling force.

These arrests follow last month's bust of a sport gambling ring with turnover of 340 million shekels, Haaretz said


Also, several years ago the AG in Israel ordered all online operations to desisit in their country, and ordered Banks, and credit card companies from cooperating with on line Casinos. So, yes, it might be kind of hard for him to walk into the Bank, and say, "here deposit my winnings from the Online Casino".
 
If it is now this hard to pay players in Israel, the casinos shouldn't be taking on players from there. It seems worse than the situation in America. If America got as tough as the Israelis, casinos would be forced out overnight.

I am puzzled about only a RELATIVE being able to send money to an Israeli citizen, this seems so tough that much of the legitimate commerce would fail to function. Are Israelis banned from using sites such as eBay to sell items?

Do banks ask for sender details for EVERY incoming wire, or are there trigger limits, such as so much in one go, or so much over a certain period of time.

Solutions to problems such as this are EASILY found by the rich & famous, and often involve them going abroad, and having accounts and businesses based abroad. Often, this is done for tax purposes, as if the money is offshore, it is harder to tax (not impossible though).

If LAND based gambling is OK, the idea of going abroad & collecting the money would seem an idea. It will cost a fair bit though, and there may be tax to pay bringing it back into the country.

Going abroad to open an account would ONLY work if you could find a bank willing to do this, and they would require proof of ID, AND a plausible reason as to why you need an account in a country that is not yours. One plausible reason would be owning property in that country. Many UK people have bought cheap property abroad, and the latest "hot spot" is Eastern Europe, this then requires them to have a bank account in these countries in order to pay property taxes, and make the necessary transactions involved in buying the property. 40K is probably a rather small amount for this, now that the Brits have driven the prices up.
The end game is that having opened the account, casino winnings can be paid into it, and deposits can be funded from it. There may well be a taxation issue back home in having money invested abroad, taxes on any profits made from selling the property, and taxes on interest paid by foreign banks.

40K is a huge amount to account for in one go, but if it were sent as "goods", rather than money, it might make things easier.

For example, if you needed a new car, the casino could buy it for you, and have it delivered as a gift, or even a prize for a competition, NOT a gambling related one.

The idea of giving the money to someone you don't know, trusting them to give it to you, is a BAD one. The money could be kept, and there would be no way you could complain without giving details of where it came from.


Now to something a bit more creative. The casino buys 40K worth of shares on the Israeli stock exchange, and then gives them to you as payment in kind for a service. This makes it easy for you to realise the asset, but means the tax people have to assess the shares as income, and tax them.

The casino could also buy shares in a foreign stock exchange, either themselves, or in your name. If they buy them in their own name, they would then reregister them in your name, and give you details of the shares. This could be done electronically. Once in your name, they become your property, and can be sold. The issue would again be taxation, but one of a tax on a capital gain. IF there is an annual allowance, such as here in the UK, then you would sell only part of the holding such that there was no need to have the proceeds assessed for tax.

Remember, the rich & famous do all of this, and more. They have clever (and expensive) accountants to find the most efficient way of paying the least tax. They are always one step ahead of the tax authorities.

Then - QUIT, you clearly cannot be paid, so don't play. Go abroad and play B & M if you feel the urge, or buy property abroad to give you a permanent base in a country where gambling is legal.
 

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