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High Rollers under attack at Club World!

daveboz

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I just hit my first feature of the recent session after over 450 spins. Over 3500 wagered over that span. What do i get for a feature? A lousy 225 bucks!

Folks beware. Keep your slot betting under $5 at CWG. The scatters do not hit above that denomination. You will get your share but rarely three in a row for the trigger. Multiple ocassions hit 3 but always a gap!
 
I just hit my first feature of the recent session after over 450 spins. Over 3500 wagered over that span. What do i get for a feature? A lousy 225 bucks!

Folks beware. Keep your slot betting under $5 at CWG. The scatters do not hit above that denomination. You will get your share but rarely three in a row for the trigger. Multiple ocassions hit 3 but always a gap!

How about another 250 spins no dice LOL!

Folks, this last online charade at Club World just pushed me out the door with online gambling. Rainmaker! I'm cashing out!

Had a great day today but someone was obviously observing. They got me tonight! But no more!
 
slots are random and payout cant be adjusted based on whether the individual is winning or losing at that particular moment or betting a lot or a little.

unless you're accusing the software and/or proprietor of rogue behavior (which is a serious accusation, at least for this particular forum), any claim to that slots are manipulated is superstitious at best, paranoid/delusional at worst
 
RTG is the culprit more than CW it seems. Over the past few hours I have been low-rolling at a variety of rtg slots and nearly none of them yielded a feature before 250 spins. I used autoplay and went back after setting autoplay at 250 spins hoping to play the feature when I returned. slots played were diamond dozen, derby dollars and cleopatra's gold and coyote cash.
 
slots are random and payout cant be adjusted based on whether the individual is winning or losing at that particular moment or betting a lot or a little.

unless you're accusing the software and/or proprietor of rogue behavior (which is a serious accusation, at least for this particular forum), any claim to that slots are manipulated is superstitious at best, paranoid/delusional at worst


That's BS imo. RTG itself claims the payouts for video poker and slots can be adjusted per Wiki. The hyperlinks don't work anymore but the claim is there plain as day. They simply shut down any shot at bonus rounds. My own fault,didn't learn my lesson from last Sunday. Which is why I rec $5 and below for bets on slots. Hit my share of features at that denomination. Anything over that and its robbery time!


Software provider also offering back-end casino management.!!!

The company indicates that operators are able to choose between payout settings for their slots [8] and video poker games.[9

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RTG is the culprit more than CW it seems. Over the past few hours I have been low-rolling at a variety of rtg slots and nearly none of them yielded a feature before 250 spins. I used autoplay and went back after setting autoplay at 250 spins hoping to play the feature when I returned. slots played were diamond dozen, derby dollars and cleopatra's gold and coyote cash.

So how does it work? Are all RTG casinos working off a server completely controlled by RTG?

I seem to win during early morning any day and weekend days.
 
No offence Daveboz...


I've just checked all your posts through your profile page and 99% of them are whinging about casinos. A LARGE proportion of that is directed at ClubWorld. :eek:

Seems Fishy to me is all.:rolleyes:

Perhaps gambling isn't for you?;)

Just saying....

Cheers
Gremmy
 
RTG is the culprit more than CW it seems. Over the past few hours I have been low-rolling at a variety of rtg slots and nearly none of them yielded a feature before 250 spins. I used autoplay and went back after setting autoplay at 250 spins hoping to play the feature when I returned. slots played were diamond dozen, derby dollars and cleopatra's gold and coyote cash.


Last Sunday after getting creamed I hit 5 features over the next 150 spins! Something is not right there.
 
No offence Daveboz...


I've just checked all your posts through your profile page and 99% of them are whinging about casinos. A LARGE proportion of that is directed at ClubWorld. :eek:

Seems Fishy to me is all.:rolleyes:

Perhaps gambling isn't for you?;)

Just saying....


LA

Cheers
Gremmy

Large proportion? I've won nearly 50k over the last ten days at CW. Hit a second royal flush after giving back most of the first one. So i'm at 25k. Now I'm cashing out. Whomever it is has decided to shut my winning streaks down. Especially tonight. They just helped me out the door by doing it. Cashing out!
 
No offence Daveboz...


I've just checked all your posts through your profile page and 99% of them are whinging about casinos. A LARGE proportion of that is directed at ClubWorld. :eek:

Seems Fishy to me is all.:rolleyes:

Perhaps gambling isn't for you?;)

Just saying....



Cheers
Gremmy


I don't mind losing. I just despise being taken.
 
Fair enough....:)(admittedly I skimmed just the titles and first few lines)

If you're lucky enough to have won 50k then walk away with it...:thumbsup:

Perhaps what Club World have done is a blessing in disguise?;)

Cheers
Gremmy
 
I agree with Chuchu, it's an RTG thing and they set things for all RTG casinos I would venture to say. So it wouldn't matter what RTG casino you play, the results will always be the same across the board.
They all have the same good days, same bad days, not at the same time, but distributed evenly, so to speak.
So if you were playing any RTG, you'd say the same thing at some time or another.

However, I have to wonder if the latest confiscations have affected RTG as a whole and they may be tightening their belts to recoup some unexpected loses?

For instance, QT supposedly returned some of us our money, stated it was tangible, we couldn't transfer it to our personal bank accounts so we transferred it back to the casinos.
So what if all or most of this money was mearly a number and not obtainable once we were passed back to the casino?

How many players had this happen? I had $1,300 that was "supposedly" returned to my QT account and I then transferred it back to the casino. I then figured I would play it since there was no way for me to cash it out.

Now we have a casino that first lost $1,300 to me and then wasn't able to recoup my re-deposit of the $1,300 from QT. So now,I the player and the casino has lost money, times that by how many other players had this happen?

Then players are being standoffish for fear of losing their winnings again and the dominos begin to fall right to the top.

I have still been playing pretty aggressively on one slot, Count Spectacular. It went from having wins with 3-4 counts fairly frequently, bonus rounds regularly, to nearly, rarely none. The casino I play at has a minor JP on this slot that is now over $1,600, last I looked this morning. I had noticed I could play for 20 minutes and the jp would only increase by 1 cent in all that time. This minor jp has been creeping up this way for well over a month and has not been won by anyone.

So I wonder, am I the only one playing this slot, or did someone tell the Count the sun will not set, so stay in your coffin? Scatters on this game rarely hit 3 natural, and almost as rare is it to get 2 scatters and a Count. Since when was 3 scatters impossible to get?

I have had this same experience on this slot at more than one casino, which I was down to only playing two and now one, on my way to none.

So if you are having a bad time at a particular RTG casino, you will have the same bad time at any other one as well. But if you have one lucky day, it can happen at any one of them. Afterall, I doubt RTG wants to totally alienate it's entire player base.

But I do believe the recent events have seriously effected RTG as a whole.
 
Fair enough....:)(admittedly I skimmed just the titles and first few lines)

If you're lucky enough to have won 50k then walk away with it...:thumbsup:

Perhaps what Club World have done is a blessing in disguise?;)

Cheers
Gremmy



wouldn't have hit the 2nd royal for 20k if i didn't play through the 1st 20k is what i mean. Don't get me wrong it was a great experience at Club World I had. Just very very very bad slot experience.

I obviously raised some red flags today and they weren't happy. I was betting rather large on Food Fight this afternoon in addition to my usual $5 video poker machine sessions. Before this latest fiasco I was playing multi hand duece wild for crazy amounts and won there too. Don't ask how much... I'm starting to relate to the poster who started the other Club World thread on why he was booted. I did have a period late this afternoon where I really ramped up the bets. So...
 
daveboz,

You joined this forum in march only to attack and bitch about casinos (since you had lost your money).

Last week you won big and you wrote a thread where you apologized to the forum for being a troll.

Now you are bitching again because you probably are about to loose it all.

C`mon daveboz. You have a problem and it is not fair against Club World to write a thread like this. Most people on this forum will probably see Club World as a great casino. And threads like this is (again) just embarrassing for the forum.
 
daveboz,

You joined this forum in march only to attack and bitch about casinos (since you had lost your money).

Last week you won big and you wrote a thread where you apologized to the forum for being a troll.

Now you are bitching again because you probably are about to loose it all.

C`mon daveboz. You have a problem and it is not fair against Club World to write a thread like this. Most people on this forum will probably see Club World as a great casino. And threads like this is (again) just embarrassing for the forum.

There he is! The righteous one! Using that term "probably" again and speaking for the forum. Not giving it back this time ace. I'm done. Will take a few months to cash out so the only way I lose it is if the casino goes under.

"You joined this forum in march only to attack and bitch about casinos (since you had lost your money)."

Some of my money yes.

"Last week you won big and you wrote a thread where you apologized to the forum for being a troll. "

Yes, I did. my do you have a life away from this board?


Listen my friend until you start betting up with the big guns you have no idea what you're talking about regarding the operations of these outfits. Maybe you had a hard run before as well and I appreciate your opinion regarding my gambling problem. this last week i got most of it back.

I have nothing against those who bet 0.50 -$1 a spin or 25 cent VP players. But don't tell me players who swing up and down 2-3k a day are not observed by online casino management. I can post my CWG comp redemption over the last few weeks which pretty much speaks for itself.
 
I believe that this forum was designed for users to share their information and experiences regarding online casinos.

That said, I do believe that the constant bitching about every piece of bad luck detracts from the purpose of this forum.

There is a 'bitch and moan' section of the forum for such things(A section I mostly avoid!:thumbsup:).

The constant moaning is souring the air around here of late.:rolleyes:

I fully understand the QT threads, etc... as it is a relevant issue that affects a large number of forum members.

Seriously though. The constant whinging about every loss or bad beat is getting tiresome.

Just my 2 cents, as always!:D

Cheers
Gremmy
 
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Slightly derailing here, but imho and my perceptions come from 1st hand experiences whilst playing at MGS casino`s, I strongly believe that there are different servers with the same games obviously that have different settings, all of a sudden you go a bit laggy then boom, you either hit an amazing winning streak, or you have just ended one, also when this happens there can be a huge decrease/increase in the spin times of the slots you are playing.

None of us know the complexities of casino software, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the software incorporates extensive data regarding players and their win/lose cycles, let`s say for arguments sake you are playing slots in a land based casino and hit a huge payout, you can either leave or try another slot, the other slot could ofc give you another huge win, this is imho is not an option with online games, once that software has you tagged as not gonna win anything here today, that`s your lot, no matter what you play, be it slots, cards, roulette, anything, whilst on the other hand when it`s your day for a bumper payout, it matters not what you play.

The average slot player would be blind imho if they haven`t noticed how much the belts have been tightened over the past 12-18 months, just over a year ago TSII was released, if you had a player that played it then and hasn`t played it since, and tried it now, they would more than verify it.

A few stark reminders of how much things have changed - Redeeming comp points, look at the dates and how much wagering you used to get for the same deposits, and your screenshots folder, again look at the dates, and see how many are from the last 12-18 months.

Just my $2.
 
My brother used to have a theory that the land slots can remember you by scanning your finger print as you push a button to play!:eek:
Absurd as it is, he fully believed it!:rolleyes:
When they brought out the Jcard(Kinda like comp points online) he was convinced that the card was somehow monitoring his activity and decided whether he wins or loses(Absolute nonsense of course)!

I have seen old lady's on the slots rubbing the machine as they spin the reels and displaying weird little idiosyncrasies whilst they play(such as touching the pictures of the highest paying symbols on the paytable and then doing the same to the monitor as the reels were spinning(Also absurd)!

My point being that everyone has their own little theories and beleifs about slots entirely devoid of logic or reason. This is Human Nature though and to be expected.

In response to the belief that there are different servers, and some higher being deciding outcomes from their evil secret lair, (insert suitable crackpot theory here), etc... I truly believe that they are completely random!:thumbsup:
I have had the same happen in online casinos as I have playing land based slots. Sometimes I can go to the pub and go through $50 in 5 minutes, Other times it lasts hours and sometimes I will walk out with 200x my starting money.

It's all relative to perception...
When you are winnning the endorphins are flowing and you feel good and by default everything is wonderful and fair and the slots are working fine(As you can attest to seeing as your wallet is now overflowing)!
When you are losing it is the same but in reverse. You are feeling anxious, annoyed, P#ssed off and convinced the casino and the world is conspiring against you(As you can attest to seeing as your wallet is now empty)!

This is the nature of gambling and a gambler.... ;)

In my view if you can't keep a level head and focus on the realities of it. If it leads you to negative thinking in any way. Then gambling is not for you!;)

Cheers
Gremmy





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Below is an interesting article from Casino Player magazine. Will help you realize how hard it actually is to win on a regular bases. I know their are some winning players with horseshoes in their ass, but in reality wins are hard to come by.

The level headed gambler with money management has a chance to buy a lot of entertainment with their gambling dollars before going bust by respecting their occasional wins and cashing out. The compulsive gambler that can't get away from the action will always be a bigger and quicker loser, regardless if their a High or Low roller.

This article is based on land based casinos where for the most part everything is confirmed to be on the up and up. In addition remember that the mega places like Las Vegas don't exist by paying winners.

With the uncertainty of fair gaming surrounding online gaming, and especially with what is taking place in the USA and the hopes of successful money transfers, you would need your head examined if your still playing online from the USA.

Also realize this article is based on only 1 to 2 percent casino hold.

Sorry for the format below, since I'm impressed I was able to even get it pasted here.

Note: Article is hard to read. Anyone here know how to blow it up for a better read?





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regarding payout percentage

I have cashed in 800.00 and 600.00 in past two days CW and Rushmore the majority of the win was playing jackpot pinatas. Prior to these wins I have gone weeks without a withdrawal and my deposits went fast.

I would says I have probably just broke even but thats better than nothing.
 
Video poker payouts

If video poker payouts are adjusted by any method other than adjusting the pay table, that would be rogue behavior. Unlike slots, honest video poker percentanges depend entirely on the pay table and your knowledge of optimal play.
That's BS imo. RTG itself claims the payouts for video poker and slots can be adjusted per Wiki. The hyperlinks don't work anymore but the claim is there plain as day. They simply shut down any shot at bonus rounds. My own fault,didn't learn my lesson from last Sunday. Which is why I rec $5 and below for bets on slots. Hit my share of features at that denomination. Anything over that and its robbery time!


Software provider also offering back-end casino management.!!!

The company indicates that operators are able to choose between payout settings for their slots [8] and video poker games.[9

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Good article.

In other words the casinos don't NEED to rig the games.


You are correct that casinos don’t need to rig the games since the software for any casino was purchased rigged in the houses favor. How much of a rigged program being used is the main issue. By reading that article above you should get an idea how much luck a punter would need just to overcome a 1% house hold. Imagine the luck or lack of when playing against a machine set at 89% or lower rtp, and trying to overcome an 11% house hold or more.

Since we only know for fact how land based casino slot machines work and how low of a setting they could legally use, let’s discuss them.

First of all for land based stand alone slots each is operating off whatever program (house hold setting) the casino choices to use. For every different setting they decide to use requires them purchasing another program from the manufacture. So since their legally regulated and could operate anywhere between 83% and 100% rtp, they would need to purchase a separate program for each different setting they wanted to use for each different brand of any one game.

It’s nothing more then the software programmers assigning numbers to the symbols which in turn governs how often it will appear. For example let’s take a 96% rtp game and an 83% one. The programmer might assign (1) number to the top jackpot for the 83% and (10) for the 96% game. Lower payouts might get (15) compared to (30). Blanks might get (30) in the 83% game compared to only (10) in the 96% game.

If you were to place both of these different setting games side by side you would notice a big difference. The random number generator in each machine does the same thing. It generates all the numbers entered into the program, in a random sequence, continuously freezing the moment the spin button is pushed. What the RNG selects is random. Payback percentages differ from game to game is then controlled by the universe of numbers from which that random choice is made. The laws of probability do the rest.

The problem with online gaming is nobody knows for fact what the actual regulation on slot settings are or what actual rules are involved when they decide to change them. Using the word rigged is not fare since all the games are technically rigged. I prefer to use the words cheating, or misleading. By this comment I mean when punters are being brainwashed into believing their playing a 98.6% rtp game and actually are playing an 86% game.

Professional slot players although 99% of them are all losers, in a short time can pick up on the difference in settings. Considering the fact that no one knows for sure including affiliates, what we're actually getting online, and are forced to except what people want to convince us of without any proof other then hear say, and usually coming from the same people who have a personal financial interest in the punters taking them for their word, would be considered by most educated people not a smart or safe way to gamble.

I don’t blame USA players for being upset their country is becoming a socialist regime. But on the flip side, until regulation and approval for online gaming comes here, we probably should thank them for all the money they saved us till then. Not that any of us are destined to be winners under a regulated market, but it sure would be nice to get two years of entertainment for the cost of one year presently online.
 
Its really just the luck of the day= I have always lost at highnoon until a couple of weeks ago- hit a 3000 plus feature on Trex then 100 free spins on oceam dreams and five clepatras on ceasers empire= came out with 6000 on a 200 deposit.

This week nada= its just how it go's. I woud agree with other posters though that the correlation of features to spins does seem slower accross the board in RTG's= I suspect the payout is the same overall but it seems to come in the form of lots of nothing and one major payout these days rather than average payouts accross a range of games.
 
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The problem with online gaming is nobody knows for fact what the actual regulation on slot settings are or what actual rules are involved when they decide to change them. Using the word rigged is not fare since all the games are technically rigged. I prefer to use the words cheating, or misleading. By this comment I mean when punters are being brainwashed into believing their playing a 98.6% rtp game and actually are playing an 86% game.

Some years ago a lot of different MG slots were analyzed in this thread https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/cracking-the-slot-reels-here-you-go.19302/ and most were around 95-96%
 
Some years ago a lot of different MG slots were analyzed in this thread https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/cracking-the-slot-reels-here-you-go.19302/ and most were around 95-96%

I reviewed that thread you linked us to, and have to admit it reads like a bunch of computer nerds that seem to know a lot about computers and programming and are trying to break into the CIA. The thread pretty much confirms they can’t confirm anything for certain.

From what I read about land based slots, knowing all the symbols for each stop on each reel is meaningless. The amount of numbers the programmer assigns to each stop is what’s important and what the RNG feeds off of. In fact every stop could be a blank and the game would still play perfectly.

So to conclude that the average payout was between 95 and 96% based on that thread is ridicules. Of course they may have very well been that high if not higher. But that was back in 2007.

It’s now 2011, and I couldn’t even begin to itemize the vast changes that took place within the online gaming environment. Bush signed into law the UIGEA on 10-13-06, and I find that thread to be ironic that it was created in 2007. I suspect most serious gamblers knew something changed online not long after that law was passed, and were trying to figure out the only logical thing in that thread…What happened to the RTP’s money?
 
I reviewed that thread you linked us to, and have to admit it reads like a bunch of computer nerds that seem to know a lot about computers and programming and are trying to break into the CIA. The thread pretty much confirms they can’t confirm anything for certain.

From what I read about land based slots, knowing all the symbols for each stop on each reel is meaningless. The amount of numbers the programmer assigns to each stop is what’s important and what the RNG feeds off of. In fact every stop could be a blank and the game would still play perfectly.

So to conclude that the average payout was between 95 and 96% based on that thread is ridicules. Of course they may have very well been that high if not higher. But that was back in 2007.

It’s now 2011, and I couldn’t even begin to itemize the vast changes that took place within the online gaming environment. Bush signed into law the UIGEA on 10-13-06, and I find that thread to be ironic that it was created in 2007. I suspect most serious gamblers knew something changed online not long after that law was passed, and were trying to figure out the only logical thing in that thread…What happened to the RTP’s money?

On what evidence do you base your claim that the conclusions from that thread are ridiculous? At least they were dealing with actual figures and reel strips rather than "most serious gamblers knew something changed online after that law was passed". I'm a serious gambler and my results are not much different than at any time in the past. Anyway, I don't remember the UIGEA containing mandatory reductions in RTP that all illegal operators must follow :rolleyes:

The fact that your results are 'different' may very well be based on a number of factors..... but blaming the casinos for offering "86% games" is much easier.

If you're still playing 4OAK then, based on your claims, you are knowingly being ripped off by liars and cheats who advertise fake RTPs....and that would be just ridiculous.

You should read that article you posted over again. The casinos don't have to lower their RTP from 96% to 86% to take all your money.
 
On what evidence do you base your claim that the conclusions from that thread are ridiculous? At least they were dealing with actual figures and reel strips rather than "most serious gamblers knew something changed online after that law was passed". I'm a serious gambler and my results are not much different than at any time in the past. Anyway, I don't remember the UIGEA containing mandatory reductions in RTP that all illegal operators must follow :rolleyes:

The fact that your results are 'different' may very well be based on a number of factors..... but blaming the casinos for offering "86% games" is much easier.

If you're still playing 4OAK then, based on your claims, you are knowingly being ripped off by liars and cheats who advertise fake RTPs....and that would be just ridiculous.

You should read that article you posted over again. The casinos don't have to lower their RTP from 96% to 86% to take all your money.

It’s becoming rather obvious here, when you disagree with any poster you go through extremes to take their words out of context and put a spin on them trying to make that poster always look ridicules.

For example, throughout that thread those intelligent computer nerds (nerds not meaning anything bad, wishing I was one) formulas at one time were ridiculously high, then later becoming ridiculously low. Then when they eventually landed on a formula that sounded right the thread ends. All their gallant efforts were nothing more than a conclusion that not one of their formulas is a confirmed fact how online slots might be operating. I’m sure if they figured out a confirmed formula it would be used today endlessly.

I’m also glad your personal results have not altered much over time. But many veteran online gamers who have been playing the same games, the same way, with the same bankrolls, after a decade are noticing obvious changes. Why do you always blatantly conclude whenever a veteran online gaming poster starts complaining about results, and not results from a few bad sessions, but results from a good amount of time and money invested, that the player must be responsible for a number of factors?

Not once have I read you giving a complaining veteran the slightest bit of credit other then in obvious casino rogue behavior cases. I’ll admit there are some posters we all can conclude come from Mars, but your one way street behavior is becoming very suspect. Many of your responses in these situations are logical but not confirmed either. This is why most members think you were a shill planted here to help maintain integrity for the casinos.

The reason I brought up the UIGEA and the timing of that thread trying to figure out game settings, was nothing more then an assumption that these intelligent people weren’t having a contest for fun, but were personally concerned about payouts for some reason or another at that time the thread started. Your sarcastic comment that the UIGEA didn’t list mandatory reductions in RTP’s, is just another indication of you trying to make me look foolish, like everyone else who writes anything negative about the Wild West online gaming environment.

You also know from my previous posts that I no longer gamble online almost a year now. Yet you insist on saying quote: “If you're still playing 4OAK then, based on your claims, you are knowingly being ripped off by liars and cheats who advertise fake RTPs....and that would be just ridiculous”.(end quote) Because I personally concluded online casino gaming is no longer for me doesn’t mean I’m not still interested. I enjoy staying current with the hopes that in the future it will change enough for me to feel comfortable returning, since quitting has put a big void in my old man pastimes.

In addition you could believe whatever you want with RTP settings. But since you can’t confirm for fact what they actually are other then what a casino wants to tell what their hired help RTP conclusions are, you have every right. Many players would rather get that information from an enforcing regulator which by the way doesn’t exist online. You could list all the alleged regulating agencies you want that exist in all different parts of the world. But even a person with one way views like yours has to know better based on the last decade.

You are correct when stating casinos don’t have to lower the RTP’s to beat the punters. As long has their set below 100% they can’t lose in the long run. Considering the events and economy throughout the world over the last 6 years, just maybe online casinos had to adjust the only thing they could for income to compensate for these times.

Over the last few years land based casinos certainly were making big adjustments trying to compensate for the present times. Maybe they should take some advice from the online cowboys and get their RTP’s up to online par.

If you actually think and believe that for example RTG has only 3 RTP settings with the lowest being 92%, well good for you. But don’t keep trying to convince everyone else what you assume without any proof to be correct.

When it comes to online gaming in its present form, what you, I, or anyone else says, hears, or believes, should only be viewed as an opinion, since nothing could be confirmed. You know nothing more then anyone else here when it comes to online gaming, so please stop acting like you do.
 
It’s becoming rather obvious here, when you disagree with any poster you go through extremes to take their words out of context and put a spin on them trying to make that poster always look ridicules.

I didn't say anything to "make" you look ridiculous. If anybody thinks your post was ridiculous it is nothing to do with me....I didn't write it. :what:


I’m also glad your personal results have not altered much over time. But many veteran online gamers who have been playing the same games, the same way, with the same bankrolls, after a decade are noticing obvious changes. Why do you always blatantly conclude whenever a veteran online gaming poster starts complaining about results, and not results from a few bad sessions, but results from a good amount of time and money invested, that the player must be responsible for a number of factors?

Thanks for the congrats on my results :thumbsup:

Why do I often (not always) suggest (not conclude) that a player's results may be (not are) influenced by factors under their own control? The reason is because in just about every case (even mine) they are. Choice of game, choice of bet, choice of casino, size of bankroll, etc ,etc all have a huge impact on your bottom line.....and the reason I suggest this is that the majority of members who constantly complain about "the games are rigged" or "something has changed" "<insert generic complaint here>" base their theories on the fact that they lost. We hardly hear about when they win, and we don't see the essential figures such as how often they took a bonus, what games, bankroll, whether they could have taken a profit but chose not to, etc etc. Mostly I see ranting because they are mad that they lost, and I know because I used to be one of them....until I got smarter.

It's also interesting to use the wayback machine and read all the same complaints 5+ years ago......if they have been reducing the RTP each time that someone here suggested it there would be no players left because it would be about 5% :rolleyes:.

Not once have I read you giving a complaining veteran the slightest bit of credit other then in obvious casino rogue behavior cases. I’ll admit there are some posters we all can conclude come from Mars, but your one way street behavior is becoming very suspect. Many of your responses in these situations are logical but not confirmed either. This is why most members think you were a shill planted here to help maintain integrity for the casinos.

Not the first time you've suggested this, and once again you don't have the guts to say it outright.....much easier just to say "everyone else thinks" :rolleyes:

Would be interesting to have a poll asking "Do you think Nifty29 is a shill planted here to help maintain integrity for the casinos?".

What a ridiculous thing to say. :lolup:

I give many "veterans" a lot of credit, because most of them know how it all works and don't carry on like a pork chop each time they lose. Most of these members understand that RTP cannot be calculated from one person's partial results (we are never given all the information only what the whinger wants us to hear) or even a handful of partial results. It doesn't work like that.

The reason I brought up the UIGEA and the timing of that thread trying to figure out game settings, was nothing more then an assumption that these intelligent people weren’t having a contest for fun, but were personally concerned about payouts for some reason or another at that time the thread started. Your sarcastic comment that the UIGEA didn’t list mandatory reductions in RTP’s, is just another indication of you trying to make me look foolish, like everyone else who writes anything negative about the Wild West online gaming environment.

You suggested that the minute the UIGEA was passed, all the operators dropped their RTP by xx%. What the UIGEA did was force many operators to invest in other markets and the good ones have and will continue to thrive without deliberately ripping off players.

Again, if you look foolish that's down to you.....I didn't write your post.

You also know from my previous posts that I no longer gamble online almost a year now. Yet you insist on saying quote: “If you're still playing 4OAK then, based on your claims, you are knowingly being ripped off by liars and cheats who advertise fake RTPs....and that would be just ridiculous”.(end quote) Because I personally concluded online casino gaming is no longer for me doesn’t mean I’m not still interested. I enjoy staying current with the hopes that in the future it will change enough for me to feel comfortable returning, since quitting has put a big void in my old man pastimes.

I have no idea how long you haven't been gambling or that you still aren't, probably because I don't give a rats.....hence my statement commencing with "if" because I didn't know.

So, it doesn't apply to you then does it?

I guess when all these RTPs are returned to 125% like "in the good old days" we will see you back at the tables!

In addition you could believe whatever you want with RTP settings. But since you can’t confirm for fact what they actually are other then what a casino wants to tell what their hired help RTP conclusions are, you have every right. Many players would rather get that information from an enforcing regulator which by the way doesn’t exist online. You could list all the alleged regulating agencies you want that exist in all different parts of the world. But even a person with one way views like yours has to know better based on the last decade.


If you actually think and believe that for example RTG has only 3 RTP settings with the lowest being 92%, well good for you. But don’t keep trying to convince everyone else what you assume without any proof to be correct.

My information has been gleaned from several sources, one of which is Bryan Bailey......have you heard of him?? Well I tend to trust his word as it has proven to be very accurate over a long period of time. Sure, he sometimes gets it wrong, but I'll place my $1 on what he says being the truth over a few serial ranters and "conspiracy theory inventors" who claim to have "damaging irrefutable" evidence that ends up being....well.....refuted....but hey it's more about the attention for these people right?

As for my "one way views"......LOL....I love it when people say this because it a serious case of choosing the bits you want to choose. I've supported players against casinos on many, many occasions and made quite a few "enemies" among the casino reps.

Mind you, I take care only to oppose the reps whose casinos aren't paying my salary as I don't want integrity or any other ridiculous matter to get in the way of my bread and butter.....

When it comes to online gaming in its present form, what you, I, or anyone else says, hears, or believes, should only be viewed as an opinion, since nothing could be confirmed. You know nothing more then anyone else here when it comes to online gaming, so please stop acting like you do.

Oh, of course. It's all opinion. Some can be substantiated, and some cannot.

Actually, there are infinitely varying levels of knowledge about infinitely varying topics related to online gaming and there absolutely are people whose knowledge in many areas is greater than others. In my case, my knowledge comes from long experience and passionate interest and I know for a fact that I know 1000000 times more now than I did 10 years ago......but hey, if you think everyone is equal when it comes to knowledge then that's your opinion....but then you don't know anything more than anyone else here so.....
 
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