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[Jonas5151]

*snip* [please ask permission before posting promotional material]

 

[Jonas5151]

Well I did and still waiting for an answer ?

 

[Jonas5151]

Also, could I please have a copy and paste of my previous message as I would love not to have to retype it please

 

[Nicola]

Couple of suggestions, and this is from a fellow affiliate other than anything malicious.

You are promoting some CM rogue casinos on your site and sending UK traffic to unlicensed casinos (Cresus Casino for example) which is a big no no.

Also you state "Betcare is the first free insurance for online casino players in history", ThePOGG has offered this for a very long time

 

[Jonas5151]

Hi,

Thank you for your message,

Whilst I would like to thank you for your genuine concerns, I would like to get some facts rights as everything you mentionned in your message is not true...

First of all, I have to disagree about promoting rogue casinos.... The ones on our website are clearly not for promotion material, as the overall score indicates as well as the analysis of the Terms & Conditions of the casino. When a casino has a score of 25 % and where it is written NOT to play on the casino, without even a link to try the casino, I don't see how you can say this is promoting material .

With regards to send UK traffic to Cresus casino, this not true as well. We analyse the IP address of the customer and clearly indicate if you're not allowed to play in a casino because you come from a restricted country. With regards to Cresus, a bug may have happened and I just refreshed the database. If you're based in the UK, you should see it properly now (if it wasn't the case before). If you are not based in UK, I advice you to use a VPN to check this feature.

With regards to ThePogg, this is not entirely true as well. They would only refund the deposits made and nothing is said about the Terms & Conditions. We do analyse and show the abusive clauses for each and every casino, and we would refund winnings as well as deposits if the case had to happen.

I hope this clarifies the situation, feel free to ask me any question about it as I would be happy to answer them (and see my first message showing up as well ). Once again, our goal is to help the player, so any constructive feedback would be welcome.

 

[dunover]

Hi,

Thank you for your message,

Whilst I would like to thank you for your genuine concerns, I would like to get some facts rights as everything you mentionned in your message is not true...

First of all, I have to disagree about promoting rogue casinos.... The ones on our website are clearly not for promotion material, as the overall score indicates as well as the analysis of the Terms & Conditions of the casino. When a casino has a score of 25 % and where it is written NOT to play on the casino, without even a link to try the casino, I don't see how you can say this is promoting material .

With regards to send UK traffic to Cresus casino, this not true as well. We analyse the IP address of the customer and clearly indicate if you're not allowed to play in a casino because you come from a restricted country. With regards to Cresus, a bug may have happened and I just refreshed the database. If you're based in the UK, you should see it properly now (if it wasn't the case before). If you are not based in UK, I advice you to use a VPN to check this feature.

With regards to ThePogg, this is not entirely true as well. They would only refund the deposits made and nothing is said about the Terms & Conditions. We do analyse and show the abusive clauses for each and every casino, and we would refund winnings as well as deposits if the case had to happen.

I hope this clarifies the situation, feel free to ask me any question about it as I would be happy to answer them (and see my first message showing up as well ). Once again, our goal is to help the player, so any constructive feedback would be welcome.

OK, you've arrived here to promote your affiliate site and get members to see your brand. Jesus, why do you even have some of these scum mentioned on your site? I saw TimesSquare, one of the biggest rogue outfits out there and was able to link through and sign-up from the UK where it's not licensed. JAZ/1668 Curacao license is utter dogshit and every casino using it should be avoided. Having affiliate links included to these shithole casinos is bad form, whatever poor rating you give them. 35% for TimesSquare?? Doesn't deserve 3.5%

Perhaps you can get some

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Remember, at Casinomeister you aren't dealing with mugs.

 

[Jonas5151]

Why so much aggressivity and again trying to spread fake ideas about our platform?

Again, to answer point by point in a polite way, because that's what adults and people who try to help each other do...

I have scum casinos mentionned on the website in the same way The Pogg which was mentionned earlier does! To show they are extremely unfair casinos and to show the players NOT to go there.
Now, you're mentionning TimeSquare. They have a rating of 35%, a description showing NOT to play there, and no link to register (showing you are actually spreading false news, as everyone can check Times Square Casino Review: Timesquare can be Scam - Betcare Warning). The only way you had to register on their platform was by clicking on the TERMS & CONDITIONS LINK, therefore using a parralel way to access the website. Not sure why you would even do that?

With regards to the licence, it is not normal to put everyone in the same basket, as it is upperly wrong in every single business, not only in online casinos. Some casinos with a Curaçao licence are good casinos (granted, not many). And again, if we provide an insurance on a casino which you may consider as dirty, this is all good for you because we would cover you in case the casino decides to scam you. Once again, instead of seeing the concept of the platform, you went directly to the negative way .

I am not sure why you are also so aggressive in your answer and trying to spread fake ideas about our website, I thought Casinomeister was actually a forum made of both individuals and professionals able to share ideas and concepts in order to help the players not to get scammed! As far as I see in your answer, the only thing you are trying to do is demolish the reputation of an affiliate website trying to help the players? If that's true, that's very disapointing... When it comes to your last attack, about dealing with mugs, it could be a good idea to actually understand the concept of a platform before trying to demolish it don't you think?

Once again, all feedbacks are welcome, I would just appreciate more constructive feedbacks than pure attacks, as it is not helping anyone. And clearly we started on the wrong foot for no reason at all, which was obviously not the intent of leaving a message here and present myself... .

Regards.

 

[dunover]

Your sole objective joining CM was to promote your website, and before you criticize us for being negative you obviously didn't read the rules hence your link was removed.
You have affiliate links to some shithole casinos.
Irrespective of how I accessed it, you do provide a link through to one of the worst casinos ever mooted.
ThePOGG does mention these rogue outfits but also provides detailed reports about whom they are associated with, the scams they're pulling and numerous complaints received.
Your objective is primarily to earn money, the 'helping players' is simply your USP of your site to help achieve the former.
Why bother mentioning a casino just to tell people not to go there? Why mention it at all, and why not just stick to the decent ones?
You give TimesSquare 9/18 for their license! Did you know that licence number is exclusively associated with fraud, software fakery and unlicensed deposits? It gets 0/10 in the Casimomeister ratings for a good reason.
Finally, do you or do you not have affiliate accounts with those rogue casinos? If you have, you really need to do more homework.

P.S. it's not personal - here's another person who appeared on the forum recently having promoted rogue casinos and duly received pretty shorty shrift when moaning (surprise surprise!) that the bent affiliate programme wasn't paying him:

Rock Solid Affiliates - anyone received payment for August?

 

[Jonas5151]

Once again, extremely aggressive message but ok, let's deal with the fact this is your way of writting, so I will stop taking offense about it . I did not criticise the website, I criticised you personally for your extremely aggressive and negative tone. But if it is your way of writting (I was similar once upon a time), no big deal I'll adapt .

No, my objectives here beside promoting our platform was to also see and learn from a big community, and see where the needs for the players are as once again this is what we are aiming for.

The link we provide is a link to their Terms & Conditions, to allow users to check easily by themselves how poor they can be. You consider this promoting ? I consider this warning the player.

Now, you're saying the objective is to make money. As pretty much everyone in the world isn't it ? Anyone saying the opposite is a liar... Now if we can make money while helping the online casino community, I don't see where the harm is, except if we're putting some shadow to your own affiliate website or something of the sort, as I really don't understand why you are so hatred against us at the moment.... Again, Helping player is not just a sentence thrown in the air, as we actually help players who have been scammed by the casinos we're offering an insurance with. Please refrain using such fake allegation against our platform. Fake accusation are a thing and I cannot really tolerate such things.

"Why bother mentioning a casino just to tell people not to go there? Why mention it at all, and why not just stick to the decent ones? "- Maybe to show the difference between good and bad ? you know, this is how it works everywhere, to compare one good and one bad thing, you actually do need to have one good and one bad thing.

With regards to complaints towards TimeSquare we haven't received any as we ARE NOT their partners and we will never provide an insurance on their casino. PLease please please, read everything before spitting on our platform without valid reason... again, fake accusation are a thing, and I am slightly annoyed at the different wrong accusation you're putting on us, even if I understand it comes from a good intention and probably from the fact you are too used to see dishonnest people in this business.

With regards to the 9/18 for the licence, this is simply because a casino without licence at all would be even lower. Yu do realise each website is allowed to use a different algortihm to note their casinos, and each website is allowed to put the focus on one field more than the other yeah ? We have a different scale depending on the different licences, which may evolve in a near future. Thanks a lot for this feedback though, We may analyse it a bit more thoroughly and lower it. Once again, such feedbacks are welcome, you don't need to be so aggressive about it. On the other hand, once again, you are putting everyone in the same basket, which is absolutely not the solution in life, whether you're talking about igaming or not.

Regarding your last sentence, if a player decides to go through paralel universe to go and play on a shitty casino, who are we to forbid them? We are warning them of the issues which may arise, we are pointing them to the relevant Terms & Conditions for them to see it themselves, if then they decide to play on it this is their choice. We are not living in a dictatorship world anymore in 2018.

I'm happy to take this convo in private if you wish, as I am curious in how you could then help us out (if you wish) in providing a better information and services to casino players.

Regards.

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

This forum has been built over almost 2 decades and is arguably the best community where players and affiliates share information and news. The reason for some of the hostility is because you have come to a forum which makes money by been an affiliate and then try to get traffic to your site, so you can make money from the members here. The best approach here would have been to speak with the Moderators before posting.

Added to that, listing casinos that take UK players without a license is frowned upon. Why list them at all? Why not only list casinos that "offer insurance" and then set up a rogue / blacklist page for the casinos you don't recommend?

Good luck with your site and marketing activities.

 

[Jonas5151]

Hi Betreels!

Thanks for your message and feedback.

I can understand the hostility on that aspect, even though I am not sure by giving insurance to less than 10 casinos we would drastically affect the traffic made by such a big platform .
I should indeed have spoken to a moderator before posting my first message, but as every forum I expected the message to be read by an admin anyway. I probably even wrote in my message that I would be happy to talk to an admin prior to have my message posted.
I prob didn't use the most common way of dealing with, and I do apologise about it. There were no harm intended whatsoever.

With regards to your suggestion, we actually do have a section in our casino page with only the casino we offer an insurance with, and another page with the Worst casinos. We could probably rename it to blacklisted casinos if it makes more sense ? Just wanted to use different wording than everyone, but if it could make things clearer for everyone, why not!

Also, I do understand the issue with listings casinos taking UK players without licence. PLease note than if a casino doesn't allow a UK player, it will be written (geolocalised) and a warning will be showed. Are you saying for instance that this issue could be "fixed" in terms of transparency if instead of just showing the "Restricted in UK" we should not provide the "Try this casino" button? IF yes, I am happy to request this change from our devs.

 

[nikantw]

Once again, extremely aggressive message but ok, let's deal with the fact this is your way of writting, so I will stop taking offense about it . I did not criticise the website, I criticised you personally for your extremely aggressive and negative tone. But if it is your way of writting (I was similar once upon a time), no big deal I'll adapt .

No, my objectives here beside promoting our platform was to also see and learn from a big community, and see where the needs for the players are as once again this is what we are aiming for.

The link we provide is a link to their Terms & Conditions, to allow users to check easily by themselves how poor they can be. You consider this promoting ? I consider this warning the player.

Now, you're saying the objective is to make money. As pretty much everyone in the world isn't it ? Anyone saying the opposite is a liar... Now if we can make money while helping the online casino community, I don't see where the harm is, except if we're putting some shadow to your own affiliate website or something of the sort, as I really don't understand why you are so hatred against us at the moment.... Again, Helping player is not just a sentence thrown in the air, as we actually help players who have been scammed by the casinos we're offering an insurance with. Please refrain using such fake allegation against our platform. Fake accusation are a thing and I cannot really tolerate such things.

"Why bother mentioning a casino just to tell people not to go there? Why mention it at all, and why not just stick to the decent ones? "- Maybe to show the difference between good and bad ? you know, this is how it works everywhere, to compare one good and one bad thing, you actually do need to have one good and one bad thing.

With regards to complaints towards TimeSquare we haven't received any as we ARE NOT their partners and we will never provide an insurance on their casino. PLease please please, read everything before spitting on our platform without valid reason... again, fake accusation are a thing, and I am slightly annoyed at the different wrong accusation you're putting on us, even if I understand it comes from a good intention and probably from the fact you are too used to see dishonnest people in this business.

With regards to the 9/18 for the licence, this is simply because a casino without licence at all would be even lower. Yu do realise each website is allowed to use a different algortihm to note their casinos, and each website is allowed to put the focus on one field more than the other yeah ? We have a different scale depending on the different licences, which may evolve in a near future. Thanks a lot for this feedback though, We may analyse it a bit more thoroughly and lower it. Once again, such feedbacks are welcome, you don't need to be so aggressive about it. On the other hand, once again, you are putting everyone in the same basket, which is absolutely not the solution in life, whether you're talking about igaming or not.

Regarding your last sentence, if a player decides to go through paralel universe to go and play on a shitty casino, who are we to forbid them? We are warning them of the issues which may arise, we are pointing them to the relevant Terms & Conditions for them to see it themselves, if then they decide to play on it this is their choice. We are not living in a dictatorship world anymore in 2018.

I'm happy to take this convo in private if you wish, as I am curious in how you could then help us out (if you wish) in providing a better information and services to casino players.

Regards.

It is a big post and I apologize if you already answered, but did you answer this?

"Finally, do you or do you not have affiliate accounts with those rogue casinos?"

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

Hi,

I am not a webbie, so won't be able to tell you how to configure your site, but you are welcome to ask members here for best practices and advice and you will get it. You can also join Affiliate forums like AGD and GPWA for access to further resources.

At the end of the day, you need to follow the rules that everyone here abides by and you will be ok. Don't market casinos that take UK bets without a license. Same applies to US, Australia, Holland, Germany, France etc. It's not easy, but we all do it and there is a piece of the pie for all those who follow the rules.

 

[dunover]

Once again,
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With regards to complaints towards TimeSquare we haven't received any as we ARE NOT their partners and we will never provide an insurance on their casino. PLease please please, read everything before spitting on our platform without valid reason... again, fake accusation are a thing, and I am slightly annoyed at the different wrong accusation you're putting on us,
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Regards.

EDIT - who's the 'liar'?? Why have I found an affiliate link to Timessquare then??
*******//go.wizpartners.com/visit/?bta=35925&nci=7301

I've just had another look and found you DO have affiliate links for some of the worst shithole casinos out there. Enzo casino (GameTech, the biggest bunch of scoundrels going) Enzocasino Withdrawal
You are therefore active in assisting illegal deposits for unlicensed casinos which are not supposed to be taking money from the UK/EU countries and have a non-license which is worthless. Don't try and hide behind 'geo-restrictions' because they'll take the money from anywhere and anyone who can get it to them.
Prime casino, rogued here too. That's just the first two pages on your list.

So either you have little knowledge of online casinos and have been naïve at best by getting into bed with some of their affiliate programmes without doing any research OR you're simply taking money to promote rogue casinos under the guise of 'helping' players. You can protest all you like about me being 'aggressive' or over-critical but I'm afraid the proof is in the pudding here

 

[dunover]

It is a big post and I apologize if you already answered, but did you answer this?

"Finally, do you or do you not have affiliate accounts with those rogue casinos?"

Well he dodged that and despite his denials the first horror site I found on his list 'Enzocasino' he does indeed have affiliate links for.

edit - it gets worse: affiliate links to Atlanticclubcasino, Osiris and

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Oh, and despite his denials Timessquare too - here is the affiliate link (nulled) xxxxxx://go.wizpartners.com/visit/?bta=35925&nci=7301

Something is amiss here as he has a very high rogue association count on his site, many Affiliate Edge/Affpower/Gametech crapholes.

 

[Jonas5151]

Thanks Betreels for your help in this, will have a closer look.

Dunover, once again, I will repeat myself (starts to be tiring to try to defend something over and over and over against someone who clearly is only here to try to destroy a website for no reasons).

Those links are towards their T&C (when score under 50%) for people to read them if they wish. As explained earlier, if you think you are a dictator and should forbid people to make their own choice, this is your interpretation of life. Once again, if a player decides to go there and play even after receiving warning about the casino and the geolocalisation, who are we to forbid them to do so?

the casinos you mentionned are in the part "Worst Casino". Not too sure as well what's blocking you to understand we are not promoting them. This free attacks on your parts seems to have another goal in mind. At least I was able to speak normally with the other people on this thread who provided me with good and sensible advices.

Your last sentence starts to be on the edge of diffamatory towards us, and I will not accept this anymore. If you want to think I am naive so be it, and if you want to think the solution is to forbid everything because you say so ok, but stop saying we are promoting rogue casinos as it simply is a lie as anyone can see on our website. It is not because a casino is listed that it is promotion. I am not sure how you cannot understand that ... really...

 

[Jonas5151]

Also Dunover, I haven't dodged anything, I have a life and wasn't in front of computer for 20mn. Am I allowed ?

The links you are providing are once again links towards TErms & Conditions, not links to register on the casino. How is that complicated to understand Jesus!

Despite all your efforts to discredibilise us, could you please state everything when you post links instead of just writting what you want people to believe ?

With regards to the crapholes you mentionned (which we mention everywhere they are craphole on our website too), this is to show the difference with good casinos (to our eyes) such as play ojo, rizk or mr green. Once again, it was explained above. If some players wants to take the risk to go play on it, and without cover on our part, and after we warned them over and over about it, why couldn't they?

Now, could you please stop throwing these kind of fake bombs here, and let other people talk as I am growing tired of having to explain everything over and over to you in a public place. Instead of shitting on a website who is player centric and seeking good advices and methods to grow up, why don't you go take care of some scammy websites ? Thank you.

 

[Borgie]

It is a big post and I apologize if you already answered, but did you answer this?

"Finally, do you or do you not have affiliate accounts with those rogue casinos?"

This question has still not been answered.

 

[dunover]

Thanks Betreels for your help in this, will have a closer look.

Dunover, once again, I will repeat myself (starts to be tiring to try to defend something over and over and over against someone who clearly is only here to try to destroy a website for no reasons).

Those links are towards their T&C (when score under 50%) for people to read them if they wish. As explained earlier, if you think you are a dictator and should forbid people to make their own choice, this is your interpretation of life. Once again, if a player decides to go there and play even after receiving warning about the casino and the geolocalisation, who are we to forbid them to do so?

the casinos you mentionned are in the part "Worst Casino". Not too sure as well what's blocking you to understand we are not promoting them. This free attacks on your parts seems to have another goal in mind. At least I was able to speak normally with the other people on this thread who provided me with good and sensible advices.

Your last sentence starts to be on the edge of diffamatory towards us, and I will not accept this anymore. If you want to think I am naive so be it, and if you want to think the solution is to forbid everything because you say so ok, but stop saying we are promoting rogue casinos as it simply is a lie as anyone can see on our website. It is not because a casino is listed that it is promotion. I am not sure how you cannot understand that ... really...

I couldn't care less if you accept my points or not. You have affiliate links to many of the worst casinos out there as I've pointed out above. You've been caught out. You are purporting to be 'protecting the players' or whatever and then have affiliate links to casinos they should never go near?? Then you excuse this by saying that I am 'a dictator and should forbid people to make their own choice' ??

I am doing exactly what you claim to be doing, and protecting the players by warning them you are promoting fraudulent sites. You have affiliate links to those rogue sites and are prepared to earn money from players getting ripped off through those links, however you dress it up. If you genuinely wanted to help players, you wouldn't have affiliate links to these vile casinos. End of.

P.S. you lied above when you denied doing business with Timessquare and yet I found an affiliate link. You have no credibility now. I think you know exactly what you are doing.

Oh, and trust me I and some others on here DO 'take care of scammy websites' - constantly.

 

[dunover]

This question has still not been answered.

Of course he hasn't because he's been caught out. He has numerous links which I have pulled by using the 'copy shortcut' on the his pages containing the rogue casinos.

 

[electronictonic]

Dafuq ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if a player decides to go there and play even after receiving warning about the casino and the geolocalisation, who are we to forbid them to do so?
why be an affiliate for these sites then????? what you are really saying is it's okay for the savvy players from casinomeister and other sites that know these sites are rogue to not use my links but the less informed players happen to use my links it's okay for me to make a profit off pushing these rogues. Are you really that stupid? now everyone that reads this thread can see your site supports these clip joints, and you think this is going to make your site attractive? you clearly won't go far in business with this plan. You should have called your site Betcouldn'tcareless, or Betcareless it would be a better fit

 

[Jonas5151]

This question has still not been answered.

I rpelied to it in pretty much every post ? Yes I do have affiliates links pointing towards Terms & Conditions of each casino ? I don't understand how it is bad?
Would you guys prefer if links to T&C did not have the affiliation ? Cause I can definitelly do it as we're not aiming at making any money from these shitty casinos anyway?

 

[Jonas5151]

I couldn't care less if you accept my points or not. You have affiliate links to many of the worst casinos out there as I've pointed out above. You've been caught out. You are purporting to be 'protecting the players' or whatever and then have affiliate links to casinos they should never go near?? Then you excuse this by saying that I am 'a dictator and should forbid people to make their own choice' ??

I am doing exactly what you claim to be doing, and protecting the players by warning them you are promoting fraudulent sites. You have affiliate links to those rogue sites and are prepared to earn money from players getting ripped off through those links, however you dress it up. If you genuinely wanted to help players, you wouldn't have affiliate links to these vile casinos. End of.

P.S. you lied above when you denied doing business with Timessquare and yet I found an affiliate link. You have no credibility now. I think you know exactly what you are doing.

Oh, and trust me I and some others on here DO 'take care of scammy websites' - constantly.

I don't understand you seriously... Those links are towards the T&C of these shitty casinos. If I replace those links by non affiliate links, would you feel better? Cause it doesnt change anything as nobody would ever subscrive on these casinos anyway.

Once again, you've been aggressive since the first post... You're claiming I have been caught out but caught out of what really ?

You want me to take all these aff link off? I can do it within 24 hours. If everyone here thinks this is the best thing to do, I will do it. Once again, you should learn how to explain things without claiming fake accusations though... not the best way to explain peoples what they do right or wrong.

 

[JGslots]

Having read this thread, I feel as if you just need to *listen* and take on board all the feedback here.

Nobody is being aggressive, everyone is taking time out to give you honest and open feedback to help you.

Rob

 

[Jonas5151]

Dafuq ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if a player decides to go there and play even after receiving warning about the casino and the geolocalisation, who are we to forbid them to do so?
why be an affiliate for these sites then????? what you are really saying is it's okay for the savvy players from casinomeister and other sites that know these sites are rogue to not use my links but the less informed players happen to use my links it's okay for me to make a profit off pushing these rogues. Are you really that stupid? now everyone that reads this thread can see your site supports these clip joints, and you think this is going to make your site attractive? you clearly won't go far in business with this plan. You should have called your site Betcouldn'tcareless, or Betcareless it would be a better fit

Not really, as for those casinos it is clearly indicated not to play on them, and once again the Affiliation is only on the links pointing towards the T&C and not towards any landing or registration page at all....
I can delete this Aff link if it makes everyone happy, as I said it doesn't change anything for us as this is not our aim at all. I never thought it would create such a havoc though....

 

[dunover]

I rpelied to it in pretty much every post ? Yes I do have affiliates links pointing towards Terms & Conditions of each casino ? I don't understand how it is bad?
Would you guys prefer if links to T&C did not have the affiliation ? Cause I can definitelly do it as we're not aiming at making any money from these shitty casinos anyway?

Talk about dig yourself a bloody great hole. I've never heard so much BS. You expect us to believe you went to the trouble of opening rogue casino affiliate accounts just to access their terms? Not to hoover up possible revenue from any players ending up at the casino via your terms links then?

 

[Jonas5151]

Having read this thread, I feel as if you just need to *listen* and take on board all the feedback here.

Nobody is being aggressive here, everyone is taking time out to give you honest and open feedback to help you.

Rob

THANK YOU ROB !! This is exactly my point, I am taking all feedbacks as needed, and I am happy to remove those Aff links if needed, but people like Dunover have been diffamatory towards my platform since the first comment, which is absolutely not normal and not the way to help each other........

 

[Jonas5151]

I've never heard so much BS. You expect us to believe you went to the trouble of opening rogue casino affiliate accounts just to access their terms? Not to hoover up possible revenue from any players ending up at the casino via your terms links then?

Your mindset is clearly made to destroy my platform. So be it.
Trouble to open an affiliate account takes 2mn..... not too sure where the trouble is. First plan was to only have aff links towards every casino cause this is what an aff platform does. Now I realise apparently for some people like you it seems dodgy, so I am happy to remove them. Not too sure how I can be clearer than I have been all along this thread with you....

 

[dunover]

I rpelied to it in pretty much every post ? Yes I do have affiliates links pointing towards Terms & Conditions of each casino ? I don't understand how it is bad?
Would you guys prefer if links to T&C did not have the affiliation ? Cause I can definitelly do it as we're not aiming at making any money from these shitty casinos anyway?

Good try at dodging the question, well it wasn't actually. I asked if you had affiliate accounts with those scum casinos, not where you directed those links.

 

[Jonas5151]

Good try at dodging the question, well it wasn't actually. I asked if you had affiliate accounts with those scum casinos, not where you directed those links.

And you're still attacking me for no reason even if the answer has been given plenty of times and if I even told you I couldn't care less if I had to remove the Aff links and replace them by the normal links. Could you try to step out of Angry teenager mode for a second please mate and actually act as an adult who would give constructive feedback to a new platform trying to find its way in, or is there something else you're not saying?

 

[electronictonic]

Your mindset is clearly made to destroy my platform. So be it.

You already did a good enough job of that yourself!

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

Betcare - best thing to do is focus on casinos that offer insurance (something I don't understand) and push those brands. Have a blacklist page with casinos that aren't recommended, but make sure there are no tracking links.

I understand your point of view entirely (why not make money off players who ignore your warning), but the problem with sending traffic to these casinos is that players and affiliates eventually get shafted or worse, the casinos keep operating because they have new "victims" coming in from traffic sources such as yours.

Stick with the good casinos and you will make loads more in the long run without the hassle of been shafted as an affiliate.

Join AGD and GPWA if you can. They are affiliate forums and members are helpful there too.

 

[Jonas5151]

Your mindset is clearly made to destroy my platform. So be it.

You already did a good enough job of that yourself!

But how ?? I seriously don't understand how... And you guys haven't answered my question. If the only thing for you guys to understand that we are actually here to help the players is for me to delete the affiliate links from all shit casinos, I can do it in less than 24 hours.

 

[Jonas5151]

"Betcare - best thing to do is focus on casinos that offer insurance (something I don't understand) and push those brands. Have a blacklist page with casinos that aren't recommended, but make sure there are no tracking links. " - That's what we have, and ok for the tracking links for shitty casinos, I will take them off. I could also ask for some apologies from some people extremely diffamatory on this thread as well as it looked like someone was getting picked up at school for no reasons, but I will be more mature than that.

I will join AGD and GPWA, hoping there members ar emore like you trying to help than the 2 others who just decided to go ballistic at me without even trying to understand the concept....

 

[Borgie]

You need to be "told" to delete affiliate links to rogue robbing casinos.

Maybe those are the things you should never have had in first place .

 

[Jonas5151]

You need to be "told" to delete affiliate links to rogue robbing casinos.

Maybe those are the things you should never have had in first place .

Well ok, my mistake, it will be fixed....

Wouldn't have it been easier at the start of the thread to explain this quietly instead of just being complete Johnny Warrior on me to start... Anyway, lesson learned, I'll post here as soon as those links are deleted, and will take it from there then .

 

[dunover]

OK, clearly you're not an experienced affiliate and have made 'mistakes' by using rogue affiliate accounts.

What some of us may be wanting to ask is how you became aware of these affiliate programmes? In other words when presumably looking for affiliate programmes to join, what directed you, very ahem! unluckily to all these bad casinos' programmes? It wouldn't have been Google as if you looked you'd have seen so much bad reports you wouldn't have joined them hopefully, so how did you become aware of them all?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Maybe say it in the word of a layman who is not an affiliate.

Any traffic you sent via affiliate links to any site will keep your tag even if the player signs-up later and is not coming then directly from your site. So clearly, the "excuse" that you are sending players only to the T&Cs pages does not hold water. If you don't know that much than it borders on a miracle how you managed to create your site at all.

The problem is that by having affiliate links and accounts with some of the worst online casinos you are promoting them no matter to which part of their site you are sending potential players. As I see it now you are taking advantage of the most vulnerable players - addicts and newbies. Especially addicts will sign up anywhere they can to spin the reels for a few bucks and thus earning you commission. And that is truly despicable as this "shithole" casinos have already scammed thousands of players and affiliates, thus should not be promoted in any way or form.

From reading this thread and some content on your site, I have to ask you: Are you that naive and uninformed or well-informed and cunning? I know which option looks more probable from what I have seen until now.

 

[goatwack]

Linking 'merely' to the T&Cs of a tinpot casino has to rank among the weakest excuses I've seen yet. Why on earth would anyone be interested in any aspect of that casino when their sole purpose is to rip players off?

I'd say the intentions were pretty clear from the outset by the OP

 

[Nicola]

Again, advice rather than anything malicious.

You are leaving yourself open to abuse and possible lawsuits. While you state you will insure players, without any terms and conditions shown, consider these...

1. Casino A goes bankrupt leaving 10 of your 'insured' players with €40,000 outstanding - do you have the funds to cover this?
2. Mr Jones wins €100,000 while playing bonus funds at Casino B and he exceeds the max bet stake of €5 and the casino refuses to pay. As you insure him (without any legal T&C) you will have to pay.

Do you keep a segregated bank account to pay funds?

You (yourself) will need adequate insurance from a specialised company to cover what you are offering. Depending on your circumstances, you could lose your business, car, house, everything if a player sues you on a promise of you 'insuring' them without it.

Something to think about

 

[mariafbb]

Are you that naive and uninformed or well-informed and cunning? .

that's the one for sure.

 

[Jonas5151]

Maybe a bit of both. As I explained earlier in a previous answer, I was putting Aff links for all casinos because it just seemed like the logical thing to do... As we were warning players about shitty casinos, I didn't see any harm in doing so, and it just made the process easier. And if some players still wanted to go an play on these shitty casino even after all the warning signs, it was their choice and I don't see why we should have not made money out of it..... also, having shitty casinos listed on a website is a way to get some traffic (SEO) and then redirect the players towards better casinos....

Now I see and understand that this concept seems weird to many of you guys according to all your answers and attacks, which I am baffled about by the way as some of you decided to attack before understanding, and I can assure you the message has been understood. As I said, these links will be taken off between today and tomorrow for the worst blacklisted casinos of our website.

As for how did I end up with these affiliates, just so you know I probably have 250 aff accounts which I picked up from the most famous online casino website (no need to say the name I guess), and only 20% are listed so far because I don't have a team of 50 people working for me and we are still recent in the market. As mentionned earlier, the rogue casinos research on google also provide traffic which is then redirected towards our good casinos... Once again, only positive intention here.......
At the end, clearly this thread has taught me a lot in a few hours on how people may perceive things, I didn't expect it to be so paranoiac even if I can see why, and it will allow us to grow up not repeating the same mistake.

And I would like to thank you all for your feedbacks and for allowing us to go in the right direction even if I am however annoyed at all the assumptions from everyone clearly attacking me here as it looks like you guys never started anywhere and never made any mistake in your lifes. Some of you also dirtied our name and were diffamatory for no reasons because you just don't have all the variables and were making assumptions about many things, probably by experience of your pasts. Just so you know, not everyone here is dishonnest, and as much as we want to do business we also want to provide a better experience to online casino players.

Once again, thanks for all feedbacks, I will act upon them, and I hope we can start fresh!

 

[Jonas5151]

Again, advice rather than anything malicious.

You are leaving yourself open to abuse and possible lawsuits. While you state you will insure players, without any terms and conditions shown, consider these...

1. Casino A goes bankrupt leaving 10 of your 'insured' players with €40,000 outstanding - do you have the funds to cover this?
2. Mr Jones wins €100,000 while playing bonus funds at Casino B and he exceeds the max bet stake of €5 and the casino refuses to pay. As you insure him (without any legal T&C) you will have to pay.

Do you keep a segregated bank account to pay funds?

You (yourself) will need adequate insurance from a specialised company to cover what you are offering. Depending on your circumstances, you could lose your business, car, house, everything if a player sues you on a promise of you 'insuring' them without it.

Something to think about

Very good question.
For case 1, if the casino goes bankrupt, there are quite a lot of legal ways to help the player in this aspect. I am not going to divulgate everything here if you don't mind .
For case 2, the casino is respecting its own terms & conditions (if this max bet is stipulated in it) while the player hasn't respected it. Therefore the player would not be insured. As mentionned, the insurance is to protect players scammed by online casinos NOT respecting their own T&C.
Edit: In the opposite case and if the casino hasn't respected its own T&C, we do have deals with the few we decided to insure to force them to respect it. This is the whole principle of our platform.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Maybe a bit of both. As I explained earlier in a previous answer, I was putting Aff links for all casinos because it just seemed like the logical thing to do... As we were warning players about shitty casinos, I didn't see any harm in doing so, and it just made the process easier. And if some players still wanted to go an play on these shitty casino even after all the warning signs, it was their choice and I don't see why we should have not made money out of it..... also, having shitty casinos listed on a website is a way to get some traffic (SEO) and then redirect the players towards better casinos....

Now I see and understand that this concept seems weird to many of you guys according to all your answers and attacks, which I am baffled about by the way as some of you decided to attack before understanding, and I can assure you the message has been understood. As I said, these links will be taken off between today and tomorrow for the worst blacklisted casinos of our website.

As for how did I end up with these affiliates, just so you know I probably have 250 aff accounts which I picked up from the most famous online casino website (no need to say the name I guess), and only 20% are listed so far because I don't have a team of 50 people working for me and we are still recent in the market. As mentionned earlier, the rogue casinos research on google also provide traffic which is then redirected towards our good casinos... Once again, only positive intention here.......
At the end, clearly this thread has taught me a lot in a few hours on how people may perceive things, I didn't expect it to be so paranoiac even if I can see why, and it will allow us to grow up not repeating the same mistake.

And I would like to thank you all for your feedbacks and for allowing us to go in the right direction even if I am however annoyed at all the assumptions from everyone clearly attacking me here as it looks like you guys never started anywhere and never made any mistake in your lifes. Some of you also dirtied our name and were diffamatory for no reasons because you just don't have all the variables and were making assumptions about many things, probably by experience of your pasts. Just so you know, not everyone here is dishonnest, and as much as we want to do business we also want to provide a better experience to online casino players.

Once again, thanks for all feedbacks, I will act upon them, and I hope we can start fresh!

I welcome your absolution to learn and change things.

As for SEO, I would advise you to read in more detail what you are doing. By sending traffic you increase the SEO score for those shithole casinos (not just for your site), so even when nobody signs up from your links, you still promote them. And that is just one SEO detail. There is a ton more for you to read up and optimize your site.

I can tell you from a SEO perspective that having links to rogue casinos will not help your SEO score a single bit. Listing the casinos in a rogue section can but not the links.

TBH, I am baffled that you start an affiliate site in such a naive manner. Or as I mentioned earlier, it might be the other part. Time will tell

 

[dunover]

Maybe a bit of both. As I explained earlier in a previous answer, I was putting Aff links for all casinos because it just seemed like the logical thing to do... As we were warning players about shitty casinos, I didn't see any harm in doing so, and it just made the process easier. And if some players still wanted to go an play on these shitty casino even after all the warning signs, it was their choice and I don't see why we should have not made money out of it..... also, having shitty casinos listed on a website is a way to get some traffic (SEO) and then redirect the players towards better casinos....
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And that sentence says it all. Why people like yourself shouldn't ever be affiliates.
250 affiliate accounts and you didn't know a lot of them were scam casinos?
Somebody comes across your site, and despite your 'warnings' proceeds to deposit and lose, or be ripped-off with fake software and non-payment of winnings at a shithole casino. A shithole casino they would most likely have never been aware existed had they not seen it on your site. And you say 'in that case why shouldn't we make money out of it?'

Get outta here.

 

[lockinlove]

"Betcare - best thing to do is focus on casinos that offer insurance (something I don't understand) and push those brands. Have a blacklist page with casinos that aren't recommended, but make sure there are no tracking links. " - That's what we have, and ok for the tracking links for shitty casinos, I will take them off. I could also ask for some apologies from some people extremely diffamatory on this thread as well as it looked like someone was getting picked up at school for no reasons, but I will be more mature than that.

I will join AGD and GPWA, hoping there members ar emore like you trying to help than the 2 others who just decided to go ballistic at me without even trying to understand the concept....

I think people are mostly insulted that you think you are smarter than everyone else. I can assure you people here have been around much longer and in the game than you. Thats not a petty dig, thats the truth.

We arent stupid so stop trying to treat us like we are.

You spending the time to have affiliate links to rogue casinos to read terms is hilarious at best.

Name and shame them. No links ever.

Now acting like you know or have other legal ways to pursue things is again hilarious.

You want some respect? Try having some for us too instead trying to treat us like clueless babies.

You have made a good start saying you will change some things. Next. Stop trying to explain yourself and making up silly excuses.

I like to support some affiliates here who act properly and with integrity. I click on their links once and awhile to give them money if I lose. I dont mind. The way you have acted I would never consider visiting your site because your need to try and act like a know it all and we are all idiots.

Next time join a community with a simple hello it goes alot further with people than shoving your website down our throats with long winded manipulating posts.

I think the name of this guys company should be edited out of the title too.

 

[Jonas5151]

And that sentence says it all. Why people like yourself shouldn't ever be affiliates.
250 affiliate accounts and you didn't know a lot of them were scam casinos?
Somebody comes across your site, and despite your 'warnings' proceeds to deposit and lose, or be ripped-off with fake software and non-payment of winnings at a shithole casino. A shithole casino they would most likely have never been aware existed had they not seen it on your site. And you say 'in that case why shouldn't we make money out of it?'

Get outta here.

You really woke up angry this morning, I hope you'll feel better after a cup of tea mate.....
I have already explained everything in previous posts, if you force yourself not to understand just to make sure you're berating me, and if it makes you happy to be it.

Meanwhile, let me learn from my mistakes, fix them, and leave me alone. Thank you.

 

[Jonas5151]

I think people are mostly insulted that you think you are smarter than everyone else. I can assure you people here have been around much longer and in the game than you. Thats not a petty dig, thats the truth.

We arent stupid so stop trying to treat us like we are.

You spending the time to have affiliate links to rogue casinos to read terms is hilarious at best.

Name and shame them. No links ever.

Now acting like you know or have other legal ways to pursue things is again hilarious.

You want some respect? Try having some for us too instead trying to treat us like clueless babies.

You have made a good start saying you will change some things. Next. Stop trying to explain yourself and making up silly excuses.

I like to support some affiliates here who act properly and with integrity. I click on their links once and awhile to give them money if I lose. I dont mind. The way you have acted I would never consider visiting your site because your need to try and act like a know it all and we are all idiots.

Next time join a community with a simple hello it goes alot further with people than shoving your website down our throats with long winded manipulating posts.

I think the name of this guys company should be edited out of the title too.

A know it all??? I have said 20 times that I never expected this to be bad as intentions were to show T&C. This will be amended before tomorrow evening. What else more can I do ?...
Also, I actually subscribed at the start to all affiliate regardless of who they were. Once again I had to start somewhere... Clearly it was wrong when I see the way you all react here... I only came here to say hello and present our platform, and I end up being attacked from everywhere because everyone assume whatever comes in their mind.... When tomorrow all these links will have disappeared and other feedbacks would have been taken in consideration, I hope I'll be able to discuss with you guys normally cause as far as I can see this is just a place for you guys to evacuate your hatred against me for free.......

 

[L&L-Jan]

I would say it is time to add some L&L casino to your site.... ow wait, we always pay

 

[Harry_BKK]

I would say it is time to add some L&L casino to your site.... ow wait, we always pay

^^LMAO Jan

On another note, did you realize you still have AAC and Polder in your signature, but not Fun Casino?