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[Jonas5151]

*snip* [please ask permission before posting promotional material]

 

[Jonas5151]

Well I did and still waiting for an answer ?

 

[Jonas5151]

Also, could I please have a copy and paste of my previous message as I would love not to have to retype it please

 

[Nicola]

Couple of suggestions, and this is from a fellow affiliate other than anything malicious.

You are promoting some CM rogue casinos on your site and sending UK traffic to unlicensed casinos (Cresus Casino for example) which is a big no no.

Also you state "Betcare is the first free insurance for online casino players in history", ThePOGG has offered this for a very long time

 

[Jonas5151]

Hi,

Thank you for your message,

Whilst I would like to thank you for your genuine concerns, I would like to get some facts rights as everything you mentionned in your message is not true...

First of all, I have to disagree about promoting rogue casinos.... The ones on our website are clearly not for promotion material, as the overall score indicates as well as the analysis of the Terms & Conditions of the casino. When a casino has a score of 25 % and where it is written NOT to play on the casino, without even a link to try the casino, I don't see how you can say this is promoting material .

With regards to send UK traffic to Cresus casino, this not true as well. We analyse the IP address of the customer and clearly indicate if you're not allowed to play in a casino because you come from a restricted country. With regards to Cresus, a bug may have happened and I just refreshed the database. If you're based in the UK, you should see it properly now (if it wasn't the case before). If you are not based in UK, I advice you to use a VPN to check this feature.

With regards to ThePogg, this is not entirely true as well. They would only refund the deposits made and nothing is said about the Terms & Conditions. We do analyse and show the abusive clauses for each and every casino, and we would refund winnings as well as deposits if the case had to happen.

I hope this clarifies the situation, feel free to ask me any question about it as I would be happy to answer them (and see my first message showing up as well ). Once again, our goal is to help the player, so any constructive feedback would be welcome.

 

[dunover]

Hi,

Thank you for your message,

Whilst I would like to thank you for your genuine concerns, I would like to get some facts rights as everything you mentionned in your message is not true...

First of all, I have to disagree about promoting rogue casinos.... The ones on our website are clearly not for promotion material, as the overall score indicates as well as the analysis of the Terms & Conditions of the casino. When a casino has a score of 25 % and where it is written NOT to play on the casino, without even a link to try the casino, I don't see how you can say this is promoting material .

With regards to send UK traffic to Cresus casino, this not true as well. We analyse the IP address of the customer and clearly indicate if you're not allowed to play in a casino because you come from a restricted country. With regards to Cresus, a bug may have happened and I just refreshed the database. If you're based in the UK, you should see it properly now (if it wasn't the case before). If you are not based in UK, I advice you to use a VPN to check this feature.

With regards to ThePogg, this is not entirely true as well. They would only refund the deposits made and nothing is said about the Terms & Conditions. We do analyse and show the abusive clauses for each and every casino, and we would refund winnings as well as deposits if the case had to happen.

I hope this clarifies the situation, feel free to ask me any question about it as I would be happy to answer them (and see my first message showing up as well ). Once again, our goal is to help the player, so any constructive feedback would be welcome.

OK, you've arrived here to promote your affiliate site and get members to see your brand. Jesus, why do you even have some of these scum mentioned on your site? I saw TimesSquare, one of the biggest rogue outfits out there and was able to link through and sign-up from the UK where it's not licensed. JAZ/1668 Curacao license is utter dogshit and every casino using it should be avoided. Having affiliate links included to these shithole casinos is bad form, whatever poor rating you give them. 35% for TimesSquare?? Doesn't deserve 3.5%

Perhaps you can get some

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[Jonas5151]

Why so much aggressivity and again trying to spread fake ideas about our platform?

Again, to answer point by point in a polite way, because that's what adults and people who try to help each other do...

I have scum casinos mentionned on the website in the same way The Pogg which was mentionned earlier does! To show they are extremely unfair casinos and to show the players NOT to go there.
Now, you're mentionning TimeSquare. They have a rating of 35%, a description showing NOT to play there, and no link to register (showing you are actually spreading false news, as everyone can check Times Square Casino Review: Timesquare can be Scam - Betcare Warning). The only way you had to register on their platform was by clicking on the TERMS & CONDITIONS LINK, therefore using a parralel way to access the website. Not sure why you would even do that?

With regards to the licence, it is not normal to put everyone in the same basket, as it is upperly wrong in every single business, not only in online casinos. Some casinos with a Curaçao licence are good casinos (granted, not many). And again, if we provide an insurance on a casino which you may consider as dirty, this is all good for you because we would cover you in case the casino decides to scam you. Once again, instead of seeing the concept of the platform, you went directly to the negative way .

I am not sure why you are also so aggressive in your answer and trying to spread fake ideas about our website, I thought Casinomeister was actually a forum made of both individuals and professionals able to share ideas and concepts in order to help the players not to get scammed! As far as I see in your answer, the only thing you are trying to do is demolish the reputation of an affiliate website trying to help the players? If that's true, that's very disapointing... When it comes to your last attack, about dealing with mugs, it could be a good idea to actually understand the concept of a platform before trying to demolish it don't you think?

Once again, all feedbacks are welcome, I would just appreciate more constructive feedbacks than pure attacks, as it is not helping anyone. And clearly we started on the wrong foot for no reason at all, which was obviously not the intent of leaving a message here and present myself... .

Regards.

 

[dunover]

Your sole objective joining CM was to promote your website, and before you criticize us for being negative you obviously didn't read the rules hence your link was removed.
You have affiliate links to some shithole casinos.
Irrespective of how I accessed it, you do provide a link through to one of the worst casinos ever mooted.
ThePOGG does mention these rogue outfits but also provides detailed reports about whom they are associated with, the scams they're pulling and numerous complaints received.
Your objective is primarily to earn money, the 'helping players' is simply your USP of your site to help achieve the former.
Why bother mentioning a casino just to tell people not to go there? Why mention it at all, and why not just stick to the decent ones?
You give TimesSquare 9/18 for their license! Did you know that licence number is exclusively associated with fraud, software fakery and unlicensed deposits? It gets 0/10 in the Casimomeister ratings for a good reason.
Finally, do you or do you not have affiliate accounts with those rogue casinos? If you have, you really need to do more homework.

P.S. it's not personal - here's another person who appeared on the forum recently having promoted rogue casinos and duly received pretty shorty shrift when moaning (surprise surprise!) that the bent affiliate programme wasn't paying him:

Rock Solid Affiliates - anyone received payment for August?

 

[Jonas5151]

Once again, extremely aggressive message but ok, let's deal with the fact this is your way of writting, so I will stop taking offense about it . I did not criticise the website, I criticised you personally for your extremely aggressive and negative tone. But if it is your way of writting (I was similar once upon a time), no big deal I'll adapt .

No, my objectives here beside promoting our platform was to also see and learn from a big community, and see where the needs for the players are as once again this is what we are aiming for.

The link we provide is a link to their Terms & Conditions, to allow users to check easily by themselves how poor they can be. You consider this promoting ? I consider this warning the player.

Now, you're saying the objective is to make money. As pretty much everyone in the world isn't it ? Anyone saying the opposite is a liar... Now if we can make money while helping the online casino community, I don't see where the harm is, except if we're putting some shadow to your own affiliate website or something of the sort, as I really don't understand why you are so hatred against us at the moment.... Again, Helping player is not just a sentence thrown in the air, as we actually help players who have been scammed by the casinos we're offering an insurance with. Please refrain using such fake allegation against our platform. Fake accusation are a thing and I cannot really tolerate such things.

"Why bother mentioning a casino just to tell people not to go there? Why mention it at all, and why not just stick to the decent ones? "- Maybe to show the difference between good and bad ? you know, this is how it works everywhere, to compare one good and one bad thing, you actually do need to have one good and one bad thing.

With regards to complaints towards TimeSquare we haven't received any as we ARE NOT their partners and we will never provide an insurance on their casino. PLease please please, read everything before spitting on our platform without valid reason... again, fake accusation are a thing, and I am slightly annoyed at the different wrong accusation you're putting on us, even if I understand it comes from a good intention and probably from the fact you are too used to see dishonnest people in this business.

With regards to the 9/18 for the licence, this is simply because a casino without licence at all would be even lower. Yu do realise each website is allowed to use a different algortihm to note their casinos, and each website is allowed to put the focus on one field more than the other yeah ? We have a different scale depending on the different licences, which may evolve in a near future. Thanks a lot for this feedback though, We may analyse it a bit more thoroughly and lower it. Once again, such feedbacks are welcome, you don't need to be so aggressive about it. On the other hand, once again, you are putting everyone in the same basket, which is absolutely not the solution in life, whether you're talking about igaming or not.

Regarding your last sentence, if a player decides to go through paralel universe to go and play on a shitty casino, who are we to forbid them? We are warning them of the issues which may arise, we are pointing them to the relevant Terms & Conditions for them to see it themselves, if then they decide to play on it this is their choice. We are not living in a dictatorship world anymore in 2018.

I'm happy to take this convo in private if you wish, as I am curious in how you could then help us out (if you wish) in providing a better information and services to casino players.

Regards.

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

This forum has been built over almost 2 decades and is arguably the best community where players and affiliates share information and news. The reason for some of the hostility is because you have come to a forum which makes money by been an affiliate and then try to get traffic to your site, so you can make money from the members here. The best approach here would have been to speak with the Moderators before posting.

Added to that, listing casinos that take UK players without a license is frowned upon. Why list them at all? Why not only list casinos that "offer insurance" and then set up a rogue / blacklist page for the casinos you don't recommend?

Good luck with your site and marketing activities.

 

[Jonas5151]

Hi Betreels!

Thanks for your message and feedback.

I can understand the hostility on that aspect, even though I am not sure by giving insurance to less than 10 casinos we would drastically affect the traffic made by such a big platform .
I should indeed have spoken to a moderator before posting my first message, but as every forum I expected the message to be read by an admin anyway. I probably even wrote in my message that I would be happy to talk to an admin prior to have my message posted.
I prob didn't use the most common way of dealing with, and I do apologise about it. There were no harm intended whatsoever.

With regards to your suggestion, we actually do have a section in our casino page with only the casino we offer an insurance with, and another page with the Worst casinos. We could probably rename it to blacklisted casinos if it makes more sense ? Just wanted to use different wording than everyone, but if it could make things clearer for everyone, why not!

Also, I do understand the issue with listings casinos taking UK players without licence. PLease note than if a casino doesn't allow a UK player, it will be written (geolocalised) and a warning will be showed. Are you saying for instance that this issue could be "fixed" in terms of transparency if instead of just showing the "Restricted in UK" we should not provide the "Try this casino" button? IF yes, I am happy to request this change from our devs.

 

[nikantw]

Once again, extremely aggressive message but ok, let's deal with the fact this is your way of writting, so I will stop taking offense about it . I did not criticise the website, I criticised you personally for your extremely aggressive and negative tone. But if it is your way of writting (I was similar once upon a time), no big deal I'll adapt .

No, my objectives here beside promoting our platform was to also see and learn from a big community, and see where the needs for the players are as once again this is what we are aiming for.

The link we provide is a link to their Terms & Conditions, to allow users to check easily by themselves how poor they can be. You consider this promoting ? I consider this warning the player.

Now, you're saying the objective is to make money. As pretty much everyone in the world isn't it ? Anyone saying the opposite is a liar... Now if we can make money while helping the online casino community, I don't see where the harm is, except if we're putting some shadow to your own affiliate website or something of the sort, as I really don't understand why you are so hatred against us at the moment.... Again, Helping player is not just a sentence thrown in the air, as we actually help players who have been scammed by the casinos we're offering an insurance with. Please refrain using such fake allegation against our platform. Fake accusation are a thing and I cannot really tolerate such things.

"Why bother mentioning a casino just to tell people not to go there? Why mention it at all, and why not just stick to the decent ones? "- Maybe to show the difference between good and bad ? you know, this is how it works everywhere, to compare one good and one bad thing, you actually do need to have one good and one bad thing.

With regards to complaints towards TimeSquare we haven't received any as we ARE NOT their partners and we will never provide an insurance on their casino. PLease please please, read everything before spitting on our platform without valid reason... again, fake accusation are a thing, and I am slightly annoyed at the different wrong accusation you're putting on us, even if I understand it comes from a good intention and probably from the fact you are too used to see dishonnest people in this business.

With regards to the 9/18 for the licence, this is simply because a casino without licence at all would be even lower. Yu do realise each website is allowed to use a different algortihm to note their casinos, and each website is allowed to put the focus on one field more than the other yeah ? We have a different scale depending on the different licences, which may evolve in a near future. Thanks a lot for this feedback though, We may analyse it a bit more thoroughly and lower it. Once again, such feedbacks are welcome, you don't need to be so aggressive about it. On the other hand, once again, you are putting everyone in the same basket, which is absolutely not the solution in life, whether you're talking about igaming or not.

Regarding your last sentence, if a player decides to go through paralel universe to go and play on a shitty casino, who are we to forbid them? We are warning them of the issues which may arise, we are pointing them to the relevant Terms & Conditions for them to see it themselves, if then they decide to play on it this is their choice. We are not living in a dictatorship world anymore in 2018.

I'm happy to take this convo in private if you wish, as I am curious in how you could then help us out (if you wish) in providing a better information and services to casino players.

Regards.

It is a big post and I apologize if you already answered, but did you answer this?

"Finally, do you or do you not have affiliate accounts with those rogue casinos?"

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

Hi,

I am not a webbie, so won't be able to tell you how to configure your site, but you are welcome to ask members here for best practices and advice and you will get it. You can also join Affiliate forums like AGD and GPWA for access to further resources.

At the end of the day, you need to follow the rules that everyone here abides by and you will be ok. Don't market casinos that take UK bets without a license. Same applies to US, Australia, Holland, Germany, France etc. It's not easy, but we all do it and there is a piece of the pie for all those who follow the rules.

 

[dunover]

Once again,
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With regards to complaints towards TimeSquare we haven't received any as we ARE NOT their partners and we will never provide an insurance on their casino. PLease please please, read everything before spitting on our platform without valid reason... again, fake accusation are a thing, and I am slightly annoyed at the different wrong accusation you're putting on us,
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Regards.

EDIT - who's the 'liar'?? Why have I found an affiliate link to Timessquare then??
*******//go.wizpartners.com/visit/?bta=35925&nci=7301

I've just had another look and found you DO have affiliate links for some of the worst shithole casinos out there. Enzo casino (GameTech, the biggest bunch of scoundrels going) Enzocasino Withdrawal
You are therefore active in assisting illegal deposits for unlicensed casinos which are not supposed to be taking money from the UK/EU countries and have a non-license which is worthless. Don't try and hide behind 'geo-restrictions' because they'll take the money from anywhere and anyone who can get it to them.
Prime casino, rogued here too. That's just the first two pages on your list.

So either you have little knowledge of online casinos and have been naïve at best by getting into bed with some of their affiliate programmes without doing any research OR you're simply taking money to promote rogue casinos under the guise of 'helping' players. You can protest all you like about me being 'aggressive' or over-critical but I'm afraid the proof is in the pudding here

 

[dunover]

It is a big post and I apologize if you already answered, but did you answer this?

"Finally, do you or do you not have affiliate accounts with those rogue casinos?"

Well he dodged that and despite his denials the first horror site I found on his list 'Enzocasino' he does indeed have affiliate links for.

edit - it gets worse: affiliate links to Atlanticclubcasino, Osiris and

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Oh, and despite his denials Timessquare too - here is the affiliate link (nulled) xxxxxx://go.wizpartners.com/visit/?bta=35925&nci=7301

Something is amiss here as he has a very high rogue association count on his site, many Affiliate Edge/Affpower/Gametech crapholes.

 

[Jonas5151]

Thanks Betreels for your help in this, will have a closer look.

Dunover, once again, I will repeat myself (starts to be tiring to try to defend something over and over and over against someone who clearly is only here to try to destroy a website for no reasons).

Those links are towards their T&C (when score under 50%) for people to read them if they wish. As explained earlier, if you think you are a dictator and should forbid people to make their own choice, this is your interpretation of life. Once again, if a player decides to go there and play even after receiving warning about the casino and the geolocalisation, who are we to forbid them to do so?

the casinos you mentionned are in the part "Worst Casino". Not too sure as well what's blocking you to understand we are not promoting them. This free attacks on your parts seems to have another goal in mind. At least I was able to speak normally with the other people on this thread who provided me with good and sensible advices.

Your last sentence starts to be on the edge of diffamatory towards us, and I will not accept this anymore. If you want to think I am naive so be it, and if you want to think the solution is to forbid everything because you say so ok, but stop saying we are promoting rogue casinos as it simply is a lie as anyone can see on our website. It is not because a casino is listed that it is promotion. I am not sure how you cannot understand that ... really...

 

[Jonas5151]

Also Dunover, I haven't dodged anything, I have a life and wasn't in front of computer for 20mn. Am I allowed ?

The links you are providing are once again links towards TErms & Conditions, not links to register on the casino. How is that complicated to understand Jesus!

Despite all your efforts to discredibilise us, could you please state everything when you post links instead of just writting what you want people to believe ?

With regards to the crapholes you mentionned (which we mention everywhere they are craphole on our website too), this is to show the difference with good casinos (to our eyes) such as play ojo, rizk or mr green. Once again, it was explained above. If some players wants to take the risk to go play on it, and without cover on our part, and after we warned them over and over about it, why couldn't they?

Now, could you please stop throwing these kind of fake bombs here, and let other people talk as I am growing tired of having to explain everything over and over to you in a public place. Instead of shitting on a website who is player centric and seeking good advices and methods to grow up, why don't you go take care of some scammy websites ? Thank you.

 

[Borgie]

It is a big post and I apologize if you already answered, but did you answer this?

"Finally, do you or do you not have affiliate accounts with those rogue casinos?"

This question has still not been answered.

 

[dunover]

Thanks Betreels for your help in this, will have a closer look.

Dunover, once again, I will repeat myself (starts to be tiring to try to defend something over and over and over against someone who clearly is only here to try to destroy a website for no reasons).

Those links are towards their T&C (when score under 50%) for people to read them if they wish. As explained earlier, if you think you are a dictator and should forbid people to make their own choice, this is your interpretation of life. Once again, if a player decides to go there and play even after receiving warning about the casino and the geolocalisation, who are we to forbid them to do so?

the casinos you mentionned are in the part "Worst Casino". Not too sure as well what's blocking you to understand we are not promoting them. This free attacks on your parts seems to have another goal in mind. At least I was able to speak normally with the other people on this thread who provided me with good and sensible advices.

Your last sentence starts to be on the edge of diffamatory towards us, and I will not accept this anymore. If you want to think I am naive so be it, and if you want to think the solution is to forbid everything because you say so ok, but stop saying we are promoting rogue casinos as it simply is a lie as anyone can see on our website. It is not because a casino is listed that it is promotion. I am not sure how you cannot understand that ... really...

I couldn't care less if you accept my points or not. You have affiliate links to many of the worst casinos out there as I've pointed out above. You've been caught out. You are purporting to be 'protecting the players' or whatever and then have affiliate links to casinos they should never go near?? Then you excuse this by saying that I am 'a dictator and should forbid people to make their own choice' ??

I am doing exactly what you claim to be doing, and protecting the players by warning them you are promoting fraudulent sites. You have affiliate links to those rogue sites and are prepared to earn money from players getting ripped off through those links, however you dress it up. If you genuinely wanted to help players, you wouldn't have affiliate links to these vile casinos. End of.

P.S. you lied above when you denied doing business with Timessquare and yet I found an affiliate link. You have no credibility now. I think you know exactly what you are doing.

Oh, and trust me I and some others on here DO 'take care of scammy websites' - constantly.

 

[dunover]

This question has still not been answered.

Of course he hasn't because he's been caught out. He has numerous links which I have pulled by using the 'copy shortcut' on the his pages containing the rogue casinos.

 

[electronictonic]

Dafuq ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if a player decides to go there and play even after receiving warning about the casino and the geolocalisation, who are we to forbid them to do so?
why be an affiliate for these sites then????? what you are really saying is it's okay for the savvy players from casinomeister and other sites that know these sites are rogue to not use my links but the less informed players happen to use my links it's okay for me to make a profit off pushing these rogues. Are you really that stupid? now everyone that reads this thread can see your site supports these clip joints, and you think this is going to make your site attractive? you clearly won't go far in business with this plan. You should have called your site Betcouldn'tcareless, or Betcareless it would be a better fit

 

[Jonas5151]

This question has still not been answered.

I rpelied to it in pretty much every post ? Yes I do have affiliates links pointing towards Terms & Conditions of each casino ? I don't understand how it is bad?
Would you guys prefer if links to T&C did not have the affiliation ? Cause I can definitelly do it as we're not aiming at making any money from these shitty casinos anyway?

 

[Jonas5151]

I couldn't care less if you accept my points or not. You have affiliate links to many of the worst casinos out there as I've pointed out above. You've been caught out. You are purporting to be 'protecting the players' or whatever and then have affiliate links to casinos they should never go near?? Then you excuse this by saying that I am 'a dictator and should forbid people to make their own choice' ??

I am doing exactly what you claim to be doing, and protecting the players by warning them you are promoting fraudulent sites. You have affiliate links to those rogue sites and are prepared to earn money from players getting ripped off through those links, however you dress it up. If you genuinely wanted to help players, you wouldn't have affiliate links to these vile casinos. End of.

P.S. you lied above when you denied doing business with Timessquare and yet I found an affiliate link. You have no credibility now. I think you know exactly what you are doing.

Oh, and trust me I and some others on here DO 'take care of scammy websites' - constantly.

I don't understand you seriously... Those links are towards the T&C of these shitty casinos. If I replace those links by non affiliate links, would you feel better? Cause it doesnt change anything as nobody would ever subscrive on these casinos anyway.

Once again, you've been aggressive since the first post... You're claiming I have been caught out but caught out of what really ?

You want me to take all these aff link off? I can do it within 24 hours. If everyone here thinks this is the best thing to do, I will do it. Once again, you should learn how to explain things without claiming fake accusations though... not the best way to explain peoples what they do right or wrong.

 

[JGslots]

Having read this thread, I feel as if you just need to *listen* and take on board all the feedback here.

Nobody is being aggressive, everyone is taking time out to give you honest and open feedback to help you.

Rob

 

[Jonas5151]

Dafuq ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if a player decides to go there and play even after receiving warning about the casino and the geolocalisation, who are we to forbid them to do so?
why be an affiliate for these sites then????? what you are really saying is it's okay for the savvy players from casinomeister and other sites that know these sites are rogue to not use my links but the less informed players happen to use my links it's okay for me to make a profit off pushing these rogues. Are you really that stupid? now everyone that reads this thread can see your site supports these clip joints, and you think this is going to make your site attractive? you clearly won't go far in business with this plan. You should have called your site Betcouldn'tcareless, or Betcareless it would be a better fit

Not really, as for those casinos it is clearly indicated not to play on them, and once again the Affiliation is only on the links pointing towards the T&C and not towards any landing or registration page at all....
I can delete this Aff link if it makes everyone happy, as I said it doesn't change anything for us as this is not our aim at all. I never thought it would create such a havoc though....