o.k here is the bill i had and it is in there
Various eRumors about the proposed Health Care Bill
Summary of the eRumor:
Several emails circulating about the Obama administration's proposed Universal Health Care bill.
The Truth:
Update 03/22/10- Many eRumors and opinions are still circulating about the Health Care Reform Bill or HR-3200 which was abandoned for a new bill 1990 page bill HR-3962 titled the "Affordable Health Care for America Act."
On December 24, 2009 the Senate passed the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" by a yea-nay vote of 60-39. The House version of the 2409 page bill is HR-3590. On the afternoon of March 18, 2010 Congress announced that the House posted an additional package, HR-4872 - Reconciliation Act of 2010, that contains 153 pages of fixes to the Healthcare bill. On March 21, 2010, Congress passed the two bills.
The current Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act HR-3590 and the Reconciliation Act of 2010HR-4872 can be viewed on the Thomas Library site:
Click for HR-3590 Click for HR-4872
HR-3200 eRumor
There are many questions being raised about President Obama's new proposed health care bill and we will try to answer them. The bill was introduced to Congress as the "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009" or H.R. 3200 on July 14, 2009. The Bill was sponsored by Representative John D. Dingell of the15th district of Michigan. According to the Thomas Library of Congress the bill was "referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce, and in addition to the Committees on Ways and Means, Education and Labor, Oversight and Government Reform, and the Budget, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned."
As of July 28, 2009, The Thomas Library reports, "Latest Major Action: 7/21/2009 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Committee Consideration and Mark-up Session Held." The status of this bill and text can be found at the Thomas Library by searching the bill number H.R. 3200. Click for Thomas Library.
Some of the emails circulated about the proposed legislation may, at times, be quoting previous versions of the bill.
Mandatory end of life counseling every five years to instruct patients how to determine ways to end suffering- Truth! & Fiction! To be excluded by the Senate!
On August 13, 2009 the Associated Press reported that, "Key senators are excluding a provision on end-of-life care from health overhaul legislation after language in a House bill caused a furor." Click for article
Betsy McCaughey, a former New York Lt. Governor and conservative health activist, was interviewed on July 16, 2009 on the of former Senator and Presidential candidate Fred Thompson.
In the interview she stated that page 425 of the health care bill said that everyone on Social Security & Medicare would have to undergo mandatory counseling every five years to determine ways to end their suffering. The counseling would be more frequent in the case of a terminal illness.
McCaughhey’s comments dovetailed with several statements from critics of the health care legislation who claimed that the same portion of the bill could be used to promote euthanasia. House minority Leader John Boehner and Republican Policy Committee Chairman Thaddeus McCotter said that such concerns were valid. They are quoted by LifeNews.com as saying, that the measure “could create a slippery slope for a more permissive environment for euthanasia, mercy-killing, and physican-assisted suicide because it does not clearly exclude counseling about the supposed benefits of killing oneself.”
The Vice President of AARP, John Rother, disagrees. He said the bill does not, in his view, create a problem of euthanasia. He said that under the bill, Medicare would be required to cover the consultations for the first time but does not mandate that people get end-of-life consultation. He said that any consultation would be with the patient, the doctor or nurse practitioner---not a government bureaucrat.
Pages 424 to 434 in the proposed healthcare bill discusses Advance Care Planning and the mandatory consultation is to discuss end of life services such as hospice care and living wills. Click for Fred Thompson interview.
Another eRumor originated by the American Family Association warns of Rationing and Euthanasia - Disputed! and Fiction!
Don Wildmon of the American Family Association (eRumor example #3) warned that Health Care Bill this could be the next next step towards euthanasia. Assisted suicide and euthanasia are not mentioned in the text of the bill and differ greatly from hospice care. Both private medical insurance policies and the proposed Universal Health Care plan have set limitations of coverage and deductibles could be be defined as the "rationing" of benefits.
Another eRumor includes a long list of concerns from the organization Family Security Matters. (eRumor Example #2)
Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. - A Matter of Interpretation!
The text of the bill reads, "The Commissioner, in coordination with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of Labor Secretary of Labor, shall conduct a study of the large group insured and self-insured employer health care markets." There is no mention of audits.
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill — a Government committee (good luck with that!) will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive. - Fiction!
The text of the bill reads" IN GENERAL.—There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans." There is no mention of treatment procedures or policies.
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill — YOUR HEALTHCARE WILL BE RATIONED! (they call it allocated) -Disputed!
Rationing could be defined as the controlled distribution of resources and goods or services.
This section of the bill deal with cost sharing and co-payments and annual limitations, The text of the bill says, "The cost-sharing incurred under the essential benefits package with respect to an individual (or family) for a year does not exceed the applicable level specified in subparagraph." It is then defined as $5,000 per individual and $10,000 per family each year.
The setting of co-payments and coverage limitations is a standard procedure for all medical health plans.
Pg 42 of HC Bill — The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. - Truth!
According to the text of the bill, the commissioner's duties include the establishment and enforcement of "qualified health benefits plan standards". The list of his duties also includes the "establishment and operation of a Health Insurance Exchange" and accountability.
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill — HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. - Disputed!
There is no provision to check for citizenship prior to receiving health services even though there are the provisions:.
Section 152 is a discrimination clause that basically said that all health services "covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." Citizenship is not mentioned.
Section 246 on page 143 under the heading of "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS" said, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
Pg 58 HC Bill — Government will have real-time access to individual's finances and a National ID Health Card will be issued!- Truth! and Fiction!
Under the heading of "STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS", this section is for a "real-time (or near realtime) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card" Co-payments which need to be collected are part of the plan and it also appears that the new health plan is designed to work with insurance supplement programs. There is no mention in the bill that personal finance records would be collected.
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for election funds transfer. -A Matter of Interpretation!
This falls under the heading of "STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS" the bill says,"enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice." The text of the bill is not clear if the electronic funds transfers means between the patient and the health care provider.
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).-Fiction!
Section 164 deals with "REINSURANCE PROGRAM FOR RETIREES" and says, "Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall establish a temporary reinsurance program (in this section referred to as the ‘‘reinsurance program’’) to provide reimbursement to assist participating employment-based plans with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees." Unions and community organizations (such as ACORN) do not appear to be singled out in the text of the bill. Also, non union private business that offer retirement plans and benefits for employees exist in the country.
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill — Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example — Translators for illegal aliens. - Truth! & Fiction!
The text of the bill read, "CULTURALLY AND LINGUISTICALLY APPROPRIATE SERVICES AND COMMUNICATIONS.—The entity shall provide for culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services." Translations Services will be provided for those who do not speak English. Section 246 on page 143 under the heading of "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS" said, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." This means no benefits provided to illegal aliens.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill — Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members — your Health care WILL be rationed. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill — Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly. Still under investigation
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill — Doctors/ AMA — The Government will tell YOU what you can earn. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE, if he does not have employee insurance -plus he is taxed up to 8%. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) Truth! & Fiction!
Under the heading of PART VIII—HEALTH CARE RELATED TAXES SUBPART A. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE. and ‘‘Subpart A—Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage." There will be a tax imposed of 2.5% of adjusted income on individuals who do not medical health coverage that is deemed acceptable by the plan.
A non resident alien can be defined as a foreigner living and working in the United States on a nonimmigrant visa.
If their income is effectively connected with a trade or business in the United States, non resident aliens are subject to same taxation as any US citizen, according to the US Internal Revenue Service. According text of the bill non resident aliens are not subject to the 2.5% of adjusted income tax. The text of the bill does not indicate that non resident aliens are eligible for benefits.
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC — "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax" , Yes, it actually says that!! Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill — Doctors — doesn't matter what specialty — will all be paid the same. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor's time, professional judgment, etc. Literally, value of humans. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 265 Sec 1131 Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion — Government will mandate hospitals cannot expand. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Pg 354 Sec 1177 — Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations. Think Senior Citizens end of life prodding. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in how to die. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends. Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life! Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. 1 monthly payment to a community-based organization. (Like ACORN?) Was under investigation at the time the bill as abandoned
Click of Family Security Matters article.
The ‘‘America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009’’ bill is 1019 pages long and can be viewed with Adobe Reader at:
Click for text of HR-3200l.
O.K THIS WILL TELL YOU WHAT WAS IN THE BILL AND WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT. THEY NEVER SAID THEY TOOK IT OUT OF THE BILL THAT PASSED BUT I HOPE FOR THE SAKE OF MY SON AND ALL THE REST THEY DID.
and this came out of obamas own mouth ( BETTER TO TAKE THE PAINKILLER THEN THE TREATMENT EVEN ABOUT HIS OWN GANDMOTHER)
