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Gun Control debate - What the hell is wrong with people???
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Cuz I don't want to get hit by a stray bullet that missed it's intended target
And why would you stand behind a guy raping a girl?
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Dionysus.....you're wasting your time mate.
Whenever I have a discussion with a US person about why they want to own a gun/s and why they need semi-autos or other types that could kill a herd of elephants, the order of reasons is always this:
1. It's my RIGHT under the constitution
2. It's part of my RIGHT to personal FREEDOM
3. Police have them
4. --> 10. {insert other ridiculous reason here}
11. I need it for protection.
'Nuff said.
Whenever I have a discussion with a US person about why they want to own a gun/s and why they need semi-autos or other types that could kill a herd of elephants, the order of reasons is always this:
1. It's my RIGHT under the constitution
2. It's part of my RIGHT to personal FREEDOM
3. Police have them
4. --> 10. {insert other ridiculous reason here}
11. I need it for protection.
'Nuff said.
Nifty29
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With all due respect, that is a ridiculous question.
Ever heard of ricochet or poor aim?
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yes, I'd be RIGHT behind him; phew glad bullets don't go through drywall or windows. Thanks for clearing that upAnd how many people get killed every year by the ricochet of a bullet fired by a woman who missed the guy that was raping her?
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and how many rapes in Canada were prevented because the woman had a gun?
A big fat zero! I bet a fair number of raped women in Canada wished they had a gun when it happened though! But some selfish people are too afraid of "getting hit by ricochet" so they won't allow the victims to get the tools to defend themselves.
"Get raped and then, if you're still alive, file the police report. No big deal".
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Hmmm.
I agree a gun would be handy if the rapist approached their victim from the front, introduced themselves as a rapist, and said "You have 30 seconds to remove any gun you might have from your handbag. After that time, I am going to rape you".
I'm not aware of any reported rapes that went down that way. Almost always it is an attack from behind for starters, and given the victim is obviously overpowered they won't be able to even touch their gun let alone fire it....not to mention that it's likely that the perp would grab the gun and possible shoot her with it given his superior strength (if he didn't have that he wouldn't be able to rape her in the first place), and that firing a gun when extremely close to your target can be as harmful to shooter as the target.
It is also interesting to note that the overwhelming majority of people who insist upon having gun/s are male.
Well, that or the woman gets raped then shot by the gun sh'es just been relieved of
Because the first thing that a criminal does when he has a .38 pointing at his face is to try to steal the gun.
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Because the first thing that a criminal does when he has a .38 pointing at his face is to try to steal the gun.
general criminals or rapists now? And as Nifty pointed out, was he standing at the door going dingdong, rapist calling, where he ws in the position to have the gun pointed at him?
I can think of plenty of different common scenarios where a gun would have (and did) save a woman from being raped. Guy approaching with a knife, for example.
I'm done with this thread now. You guys have never shot a gun or done any research on this subject, you are arguing over a subject you absolutely don't know and it's pointless.
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LOL.
How do you know who has and has not shot a gun?
One doesn't have to be a research fellow at university to have an opinion!
I've been hunting several times FWIW. How do you like them apples?
You're picking up your bat and ball and storming home, because others have an opinion different to yours and you don't like it. Perhaps you're running out of arguments? Regardless, don't make it about anyone else, because it is squarely about you i.e. nobody is asking you to leave.
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Because the first thing that a criminal does when he has a .38 pointing at his face is to try to steal the gun.
As I said, the majority of rapes are a perp attacking from BEHIND. The victim doesn't get a chance to retrieve their gun, unless they wear a gunbelt......
How long do you think it takes to unzip a bag AND pull out a gun AND turn off the safety WHILE fighting off an attacker who will probably SEE you going for it and try to STOP you? If it's any more than 2 seconds, it is about as useful as a chocolate spark plug.
There's no "different opinion" here Nifty. That's the thing.
Either you know that you're safer with a gun or you don't (because no one took the time to show you how and why). Every gun owner isn't some kind of stupid hillbilly redneck with an IQ in the 2 digits like you want to believe.
No one that is gun educated would believe in their right mind that their wife or daughter is safer unarmed when facing a rapist than armed. Guns are just a tool and, like any tool, it can make your life easier if you know how to use it.
Even if it's true, what about THE MINORITY that CAN be stopped? If you were stuck in such a bad situation, would you not want to have the absolute maximum of options available to you?
Why don't you want the victims to be able to defend themselves? Or at least have a chance? Are you selfish to the point of saying "the hell with the rape victim, what if she can't hit the target that is a few feet away and I get a ricochet in the leg? It will never happen, but it could. Fuck her I'm not taking this chance. No gun for you lady. Get raped."?
Tell me what would you do if a man came to rape your daughter! You would call 9-1-1 and hope someone with a gun got there in time. Then you would try to do whatever you could to protect her. He is a man who does not know the meaning of mercy and would not offer it to you, even if he did. They are looking for their next victim. And if he hits you just once, you will sit on the floor dazed and bleeding while he does whatever he wants to your daughter. Maybe he will take her and leave before the police get there. Maybe he will just rape her and kill her. And for the rest of your life, you will think, “I wish could have done something.”
Well you can do something. But you won’t. All you will do is say, “It won’t happen to me.” But as long as criminals have cars, every neighborhood is a bad neighborhood. So, you can bet on the odds that crime is rare and hope it will never happen to you, but what you can’t do is work to take away from me the only thing that will even those odds. you are living in denial. You deny that anything bad will ever happen. Then when it does happen, you say someone should have done something. That someone is the person closest to the incident. We have created a nation of cowards who refuse to get involved; who think it is too difficult, too expensive and too time-consuming to be willing and ABLE to stand-up for ones self. Instead you tell others to care for you. You tell others to protect you. I will not join the fraternity of cowards. I will train, I will learn and I will pray I never have to put that training to use. And I will fight against anyone who tries to take that right away from me.
Well you can do something. But you won’t. All you will do is say, “It won’t happen to me.” But as long as criminals have cars, every neighborhood is a bad neighborhood. So, you can bet on the odds that crime is rare and hope it will never happen to you, but what you can’t do is work to take away from me the only thing that will even those odds. you are living in denial. You deny that anything bad will ever happen. Then when it does happen, you say someone should have done something. That someone is the person closest to the incident. We have created a nation of cowards who refuse to get involved; who think it is too difficult, too expensive and too time-consuming to be willing and ABLE to stand-up for ones self. Instead you tell others to care for you. You tell others to protect you. I will not join the fraternity of cowards. I will train, I will learn and I will pray I never have to put that training to use. And I will fight against anyone who tries to take that right away from me.
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Your reply disgusts me and has no place in a public forum.
You have no right to accuse another member of "Being happy for someone to be raped". It's sick, and an example of the words of someone who is clutching at straws for an argument.,...any argument...that can make their POV more credible.
I always thought you were a reasonable debater, but you crossed the line here. Disgraceful.
Your comments are an insult to my values and the values of every other member who doesn't support the wholesale carrying of guns by citizens.
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= the reason thousands of innocent civilians are being shot dead in the USA.
I am interested to know how NOT having a gun equates with being a coward.
What the hell.....let's get rid of the police and courts and have everyone shoot anyone they suspect of being a criminal. Let's have neighbourhood kangaroo courts and public firing squads in the streets. Who needs 'em right? You and the other "non-cowards" are going to protect everyone! I think taking a civilized country back 200-300 years is a great idea.
What the US population SHOULD be addressing is WHY they think they NEED a gun in the first place. If they spent as much time on that as they do on "protecting their right to bear arms" the country might be in much better shape, and you wouldn't NEED to have a gun. The fact that they don't just proves it is not about "protection" in many cases....some people (men mainly) think it makes their wang bigger, and it grows according to the quantity and quality. Others just want it because "it's their right". As I said earlier, the need for protection hardly ever rates in the top 5 or 10 reasons people give me for insisting on having guns...and this thread is a further example of that.
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Ok, I AM stepping out of the thread. Not because I don't feel I have a valid say, right to my opinion or can't back up my words. Rather, when words like coward and selfish are being thrown about, it's becoming personal, and not about one's beliefs but against other people's and their character. My choices don't make me selfish or cowardly, they make me differently opinioned. If I feel like being insulted on a personal level, I'll attend a family dinner.
Here's reality check for you and the other liberals in here: an unarmed 115lbs woman can't do shit against a 220lbs man. That's a fact.
The same 115lbs woman with a 9mm has a hell of better chance to make it. That's also a fact.
Good values are good on paper, but they won't help you when YOU are about to get raped or assaulted.
...says the guy who wrote this:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ate-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-people.54257/
Openly says that he doesn't respect people, then cries when he feels that he's not respected later in the thread. Have a nice family dinner.
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