Roguish Grand Duke Not Paying £7200 BJ Winnings Due to 'System'!

I won at Grand duke Casino

I played slots and won 3000. The money was paid without any delay . A few days ago I was upgraded to "Marquees" VIP level . Justin from the customer support took care of me personally .I play for many years in the casinos and I feel at the Grand Duke like home. I suggest to contact the VIP support at vip@grandduke.com . I HOPE THEY WILL HELP YOU.
 
I played slots and won 3000. The money was paid without any delay . A few days ago I was upgraded to "Marquees" VIP level . Justin from the customer support took care of me personally .I play for many years in the casinos and I feel at the Grand Duke like home. I suggest to contact the VIP support at vip@grandduke.com . I HOPE THEY WILL HELP YOU.

Oh dear, oh dear. Posted from an Israeli IP address registered to the Isra-Group.com. Didn't realise Belgium was that big now ;) And there I was thinking online gambling was illegal in Israel.

Incidentally, and I am sure this is purely coincidence, but the nameservers (and registrar) for the domains grandduke.com (private whois) and those of isra-group.com are identical. Although I can see the Belgium/Israel link here:

Domain Name: isra-group.com
Registrar: Name.com LLC

Expiration Date: 2011-08-30 17:26:43
Creation Date: 2004-08-30 13:26:43


Name Servers:
NS1.NAME.COM
NS2.NAME.COM
NS3.NAME.COM
NS4.NAME.COM

REGISTRANT CONTACT INFO
AUFISCO B.V.
Philip van der Heijden
Trust & Management Services
Laan Copes van Cattenburch 52
Hague
none
2585
NL
Phone: +31.703562237
Email Address:

ADMINISTRATIVE CONTACT INFO
CNS
Evgeniy Landa
9/1 Bar Kochva st.
Ashqelon
Dr
78503
IL
Phone: +972.548179999
Email Address:


Domain Name: grandduke.com
Registrar: Name.com LLC

Protected Domain Services Customer ID: NCR-2573771

Expiration Date: 2012-12-31 07:11:51
Creation Date: 2002-12-31 07:11:51

Name Servers:
NS1.NAME.COM
NS2.NAME.COM
NS3.NAME.COM
NS4.NAME.COM

Domain privacy provided by Protected Domain Services. For more information see
www.protecteddomainservices.com

REGISTRANT CONTACT INFO
Protected Domain Services - Customer ID: NCR-2573771
P.O. Box 6197
Denver
CO
80206
US
Phone: +1.7202492374
Email Address:
 
Busted!

So now these jerks add fraudulent shilling to their catalogue of 'offerings' LOL - you really have to wonder how incompetent and integrity-challenged management like this can survive. Unbelievably inept and clumsy.

Nice sleuthing, Simmo!
 
Busted!

So now these jerks add fraudulent shilling to their catalogue of 'offerings' LOL - you really have to wonder how incompetent and integrity-challenged management like this can survive. Unbelievably inept and clumsy.

Nice sleuthing, Simmo!

Maybe they are missing the new friends they made whilst in the rogue pit, and want to be let back in:D

It seems they are putting on a public show to convince us that it was all down to a "misunderstanding", and that they meant to say "strategy" rather than "system", and that the replies Max and Bryan first received, and that the rep at 2+2 denied any knowledge of, was inept CS staff taking it upon themselves to concoct a response "from the owners", rather than bothering to forward the matter up the chain of command.

Behind the scenes, they are STILL "fighting dirty", even though they have already managed to convince Bryan to give them the benefit of the doubt and release them from the pit.

Although they asked the OP to send notarised documents to their support centre, and Bryan told the OP to go ahead and do this, they were PERFECTLY HAPPY with the OPs account when they were using this "system" excuse for non payment, so this latest move looks more like some more "dirty fighting" rather their genuine concern that this player has provided false registration details. Now, they get someone to sign up here with FRAUDULENT DETAILS in order to pose as an ordinary housewife from Belgium who won 3000 on the slots, and got paid with no problems.

Given that this Belgian housewife is using an Israeli IP address, how come Grand Duke didn't ask HER to send notarised documents to their support centre before paying out the 3000?
 
Grand Duke are pretty much done now in my eyes, and those of many other affiliates. I'd rather go hungry than earn a penny from this 'casino' and some badly-worded e-mails to myself have only gone to sour my opinion of Grand Duke.

Grand Duke: worst new entrant into the online casino industry for some time.
 
any update to wether jackie has been paid as of yet ?????


Given that notarised documents have to be sent to the Philipines, resolution could take quite some time. It'll take a couple of weeks for the OP to get notarised copies done, and then post them off, and for them to arrive.

The question as to whether the OP will get paid, or whether fraud will be claimed as a new reason for non-payment is going to hang over Grand Duke for some time, probably into Early August.

They would have been better off getting this over with quickly, and through the normal channels of having the OP scan and send the documents, a process that would take a couple of days. It seems they have gone straight to requesting notarised copies in the mail, rather than finding something amiss with scanned copies, and then asking for notarised copies.

Even if they end up paying, the damage has already been done by their having to be "dragged kicking & screaming" to paying the OP, and pulling every stunt they could think of in order to wriggle out of making payment, even to the extent of lying over at the affiliate forum in order to make it appear that CM simply rogued them without offering them the chance to put their side, and that the OP was a "known abuser", something that it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for a new operator to determine from the very limited play of the OP. It suggests that any player is going to be considered a "known abuser" the moment they start playing Blackjack with their bonus, as though the choice of this game alone equates to "abuse", and merely flat betting and playing "normal basic strategy" is enough to void winnings on the grounds of "illegal strategy/system".
 
Well I arranged to get my ID notarized tomorrow and send it off, but Grand Duke already paid me the other day, which was odd.

Anyway, thanks CM guys for helping me out on this :thumbsup: Maybe they will think twice about trying to con people in the future... Affiliates pulling out and bad publicity is exactly what they deserve. The ironic thing is, I would have played there a lot more if they paid me, and they would have had a chance to get some of that cash back, but not now.

I warned them they wouldn't get away with trying to con me, but they didn't listen.
 
So, turns out they didn't need your documents :rolleyes:
 
Yeah - clearly just another stalling tactic....:mad:

Pretty obvious, and probably because they have been reading this thread, as well as the one at the affiliate forum.

Looks like they thought twice about the sheer length of time it would take to sort out these documents, and all the while this case being unresolved.

Given that they didn't need these documents, it is clearly 100% a stalling tactic, as if they DID really need these documents to comply with "international regulations", there is NO WAY they would have been able to pay until "due process" had been followed.

This case has now given us "hard evidence" that at least some cases of "send notarised documents to our offices in the Philipines" is being used as a stalling tactic when faced with players they don't want to pay, rather than because of genuine concerns that the account is being operated fraudulently through the use of bogus personal details.

Quite a few Playtech operators have pulled this one out of the hat, and I have to wonder how many such requests are GENUINE attempts to double check "inconsistencies" with a player's account details and scanned documents, as against being used as a stalling tactic.

The OP should steer well clear of ANY small Playtech operator, as they are bound to be on the "blacklist" at this support centre, which seems to be used by a number of Playtech casinos, even though they never admit this on the website, and it only comes to light when a player has complained about being asked to "send notarised documents to <this particular centre>".

It looks like some kind of "white label" set-up with these small operators, which are all being run by this particular support centre, which also uses data gathered from all the other operators it does support for, and thus has something like the "Rival player grading database" that caused so much bad publicity for all Rival powered casinos, that were eventually discovered to be nothing more than a bunch of "white labels" being operated by Bonne Chance/Silverstone.

What we need is information to separate the fully independent Playtech operators from those run by this Philipines support company on behalf of the operators. Players should approach this group of "outsourced" Playtech casinos as they would (or should) any collection of "white label" casinos such as Rival and Cassava. In other words, have problems at one down to you being called "abusive", and avoiding the others because they will have been "informed" that you have now been classed as "abusive" by this support centre, and this will be applied to all accounts, not just the one that did the accusing.
 
I think this "new proof" of stalling tactics should be a good enough reason to (re)rogue them.
 

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