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GoWild don"t pay 3600€

In my opinion, and I expressed it in my first post in this thread, this situation even shouldn't have happened in CM accredited casino.

I agree with the statement that something is going on with the casino, is it had the nerve to confiscate player's winning for a reason, which even not high experienced online casino players found rather "strange".

I don't think this will ever happen with 3Dice and 32Red, as their reputation among players (and thus, their financial situation) allows them to pay out huge amounts in winning, not giving a f*** on $3600 won by legitimate player.

It is unacceptable for CM accredited casino even CONSIDER a possibility of confiscating players' winnings for not playing within the "spirit of the bonus". But they used it, and used consciously, according to what was posted on the OP. I think this issue should NOT be dealing with privately in PM and casino Rep should post public statement with an explanation on the whole situation. And I also think that Bryan should reconsider their accreditation, because this case was a BIG step in "Rogue Pit" direction. Just my opinion.
 
In my opinion, and I expressed it in my first post in this thread, this situation even shouldn't have happened in CM accredited casino.

I agree with the statement that something is going on with the casino, is it had the nerve to confiscate player's winning for a reason, which even not high experienced online casino players found rather "strange".

I don't think this will ever happen with 3Dice and 32Red, as their reputation among players (and thus, their financial situation) allows them to pay out huge amounts in winning, not giving a f*** on $3600 won by legitimate player.

It is unacceptable for CM accredited casino even CONSIDER a possibility of confiscating players' winnings for not playing within the "spirit of the bonus". But they used it, and used consciously, according to what was posted on the OP. I think this issue should NOT be dealing with privately in PM and casino Rep should post public statement with an explanation on the whole situation. And I also think that Bryan should reconsider their accreditation, because this case was a BIG step in "Rogue Pit" direction. Just my opinion.

I agree, that trying to "cut a deal" in private, to shut this player up is NOT the way it should be done. The casino needs to make it clear, whether they're paying this player in full, or not.
Imo there is NO other right solution than paying them the full amount, that they won fair and square.
 
I agree, that trying to "cut a deal" in private, to shut this player up is NOT the way it should be done. The casino needs to make it clear, whether they're paying this player in full, or not.
Imo there is NO other right solution than paying them the full amount, that they won fair and square.

IMO, just paying a player is NOT ENOUGH. It's still interesting to hear the reason "why" :rolleyes:
 
I agree with you SlotMonster.

And what worries me here, is that this case has been handled by GoWild staff higher up in their system (forum reps, fraud management etc). This isn't just a misunderstanding done by an inexperienced CS rep or something.

And their reply in the other forum is really as bad as it gets. I mean, they are actually confiscating the winnings based on:

The player

1. deposited max amount
2. used the auto-spin feature
3. only played one game
4. used the same bet amount

I mean, this has to be one of the most unacceptable explanation I have ever seen from an accredited casino.

If GoWild don`t like the fact that players occasionally will have some luck and profit when using a bonus (believe it or not GoWild, but slot games are all about luck), then they need to stop offering them.

If GoWild don`t like players to use the auto-spin feature, then they need to ask Microgaming to remove this from their software or change software supplier.
 
Like you said, whether the game play in this case was +EV or not is irrelevant since the terms were not broken. Also playing in a +EV manner doesn't necessarily mean that the player is even aware of it. Can you accuse someone from abusing a bonus if they are completely oblivious to the mathematics of it? For example in the thread you linked KasinoKing conflicted himself by saying that the bonuses he has played cannot be +EV, yet he couldn't explain his five year long winning streak.

Also, referring to your post, I don't know if it's smart to post the details of mathematics of gaining an edge here, because it certainly isn't going to make bonuses any better.

It's only +EV if you can do it over and over. You CANNOT do this at GoWild because they have no sister casinos, and they can easily bonus ban any player who wins, or even loses, from the SUB if they feel thay are trying a strategy that worries them. Even if they did open sister casinos, a one SUB over the whole group policy will deal with the multiple attempt issue.

This excuse gives them the scope to more or less confiscate winnings at will, as what seems to have happened here is that they first decided to confiscate the winnings, and then constructed the reason why based on the way the player played.

What if the player had bet €10, or even €5, and ended up with a similar big hit? What if they had played manually, but in exactly the same manner, and same amount. It's not the autoplay that lets you count WR accurately, but the "stats" function that you can click on to see how many spins you have made, and at €12 per spin, the amount wagered can be calculated exactly. Autoplay resets it's counter every time you hit a feature, so you lose the information needed to set it to an exact amount wagered.

They also claim to know a fair bit about what the OP did when sat in front of her PC, did they peek through the curtains as she played:rolleyes:
 
Even if the player used a 'strategy,' oreny other tactic, as long as they didnt break any terms listed oreny other term they should definately be paid. If there is any mystery oren igma here, it is it. A player who has read the terms would not risk orendanger their winnings by breaching them and the Op should not haggle orenter into any agreement, they should be payed, whether they are forengn, whether they speak finnish oren glish. We dont want to find ourselves restricted oren slaved at these orenline casinoes. thats for su oren
 
I would have assumed that the Rep for Go Wild would have at least responded by now? Why the silence?

Nate

Weekend?

The rep was negotiating in private, and may not want to jump in with a responce just yet. The current "excuse" would not go down too well here:rolleyes:

Maybe things will get moving next week.

It seems Bryan is already aware of what is going on, so there is no way GoWild can dodge the issue.
 
Hi guys,

The casino manager reviewed the case and decided the player was indeed correct and did not violate any of the casino terms; this was only a mistake in the gameplay evaluation of our finance and fraud team.

We appreciate all the feedback and we will keep striving to improve all our services.

We apologize for any inconvenience caused and take full responsibility for this honest mistake.

The player will be paid fully.

Gia
 
Thanks for the reply Gia. GW, and for that matter other casinos, should learn from this and refrain from making hasty decisions in future . One would have thought that a lot of effort had been put into this before they formed a conclusion. However, it seems not to be the case. The amount in question is quite large but not staggering by any means so players will justifiably be worried of what could befall them if they won likewise. I know its lean pickings for the casinos during these economic times but this is something you have to endure.
 
Thanks for the reply Gia. GW, and for that matter other casinos, should learn from this and refrain from making hasty decisions in future . One would have thought that a lot of effort had been put into this before they formed a conclusion. However, it seems not to be the case. The amount in question is quite large but not staggering by any means so players will justifiably be worried of what could befall them if they won likewise. I know its lean pickings for the casinos during these economic times but this is something you have to endure.

I agree!

Casino's COULD even go to the extent of passing a case onto Bryan who THEY think might not be on the up and up and get his or Max's opinion on it. They got years dealing with this type of stuff seeing it from all platforms. They could give some good information to help them make decisions like this.

This way the casino doesn't get tarnished so to speak and Bryan could even make the reply on behalf of the casino's in some cases, if they want him to.
 
Hi guys,

The casino manager reviewed the case and decided the player was indeed correct and did not violate any of the casino terms; this was only a mistake in the gameplay evaluation of our finance and fraud team.

Gia

If I could make a suggestion here:

Maybe the manager should also review all other past denied winnings under the same circumstances. Maybe there are other winners that didn’t know where to go to get help, and have been overlooked.
 
While I am very happy that the player will receive her winnings, I have to say that this case has left me very disturbed. IMHO following the rules for bonus play may not be enough any longer and I can't shake the feeling that this could happen to any of us, at any time, in our favorite accredited casinos. This "spirit" issue is being taken to new heights. Sure the "it's only a mistake" can be corrected but not before the player is put through a lot of argument and grief. It just isn't right.
 
While I am very happy that the player will receive her winnings, I have to say that this case has left me very disturbed. IMHO following the rules for bonus play may not be enough any longer and I can't shake the feeling that this could happen to any of us, at any time, in our favorite accredited casinos. This "spirit" issue is being taken to new heights. Sure the "it's only a mistake" can be corrected but not before the player is put through a lot of argument and grief. It just isn't right.

Dont tell me GW didnt expect players to adopt this line of thinking. They chose to arbitrarily confiscate winnings in the full knowledge that many like-minded players will be wary of similar misfortunes that could befall them in future yet chose to take this route regardless of the consequences. Seems they are severely cash-strapped.
 
Player opened an account with GoWiild Casino, deposited maximum amount right away - maximizing the slot bonus offer using auto spin feature while setting up the auto spins to stop when the minimal play-through is complete.
Further more, Anja played only one game using the same bet amount throughout the entire game, making sure the minimum amount needed to complete the wagering has been achieved. Immediately after the player has requested a withdrawal"



We all know this is not just a mistake. Appears to be a lot of thought and explanations to come to that conclusion. But members should also realize this is a greedy business only because they could get away with anything they want with no consequences. Unfortunately, for the casino the OP found this place where they must protect their alleged Accredited rating here. Do you realize how many of the 20/30/40/50 dollar deposits they would have to accumulate to cover just this one winner?

Times are lean for everyone including online gaming.

Not that anyone here has the final say, but just a friendly question; What does everyone here think about them staying accredited?
 
I have to say, that despite this player being paid, this leaves a very bad taste.
Can't help but wonder how many other players they did this, or something simular to, and got away with it.
It's by no means just an "honest mistake". They deliberately came up with this BS, with one intention...to keep this players winnings, and ONLY because the player found this place, and made it public, will they get their money. Doesn't make ME feel all warm and fuzzy about the casino at all.
 
If this casino stick to their reason for confiscating 3600,- they deserve the pit. That's my honest opinion.
THEY set the rules all the way, and the player followed their rules 100% and got lucky.
Behavior like this is nothing short of rogue behavior, and personally I will not put 5 cents more into this casino, until this player has been paid in full, and I hope everyone else will follow this example.
Just outrageous.

Im with you all the way...................I loved GW but they quickly became one of my least favour and because of this player issue I have deleted the casino software and will not consider them untill they pay and see a improvement in there services.
 
Hi guys,

The casino manager reviewed the case and decided the player was indeed correct and did not violate any of the casino terms; this was only a mistake in the gameplay evaluation of our finance and fraud team.

We appreciate all the feedback and we will keep striving to improve all our services.

We apologize for any inconvenience caused and take full responsibility for this honest mistake.

The player will be paid fully.

Gia

.......is the correct answer.

Unfortunately, subsequent posts demonstrate that the damage has already been done, and now discussion is centered on the belief that this surely can't just be a "mistake", but a completely wrong line of thinking in determining whether players should have winnings confiscated.
In addition, the player has ALREADY gone to a mediator, and it was only when this failed that they came here, so why was this mistake not spotted at the first appeal.

This only goes to prove that the current appeals process is flawed, as it took far too much effort for the player to get a fair decision. One internal appeal failed, and then the first third party mediation attempt failed.

From the gameplay description alone, there doesn't even seem to be a case for review, so the question remains as to why play that was so obviously within the terms was ever sent up for said review in the first place.

It does seem that an early decision was taken that they didn't want to pay this player, and the review was more to do with coming up with a valid reason for confiscation. This meant that the review process was unfair, as the result was either predetermined, or the process was undertaken with an initial bias towards not paying.

To be honest, I would have been prepared to play a bonus just like this, and have done in the past without it causing any problems. I just choose different slots, but ALWAYS slots when it is a sign-up bonus, even if games such as Blackjack are allowed. This is because playing Blackjack and similar games with a welcome bonus gives the casino the wrong initial impression, a bit like turning up to a job interview in jeans and trainers would.

The other side of the coin is that the CASINO can give a bad initial impression by acting with haste, and this is what has happened here. Many slots players, the ones casinos make most of their money from, will be put off from trying any casino that has even the slightest history of confiscating winnings from slots only play. Many slots players are "recreational", and any argument about whether you can mathematically manipulate slots play to make it +EV is over their heads, and likely to be seen as "bullshit excuses" in order to avoid paying winners, even if there is mathematical evidence that a particular method of play IS +EV, which has been argued to be true in this case, but ONLY where an "infinite" number of identical opportunities are presented to such a player, and GoWild are in full control of all opportunities granted to such a player beyond the first (i.e., no more bonuses).
 
I agree, although the OP will be paid, this is a far cry from an 'honest mistake'.

Their Fraud team are looking for flags like these and then use T&C's which are clearly against the standards of accreditation to confiscate winnings. They have even made their decision public on another board because they were so confident about it.

Go Wild - I am not making matters seem worse than they are, this is truly an eye opener as to what even Accredited outfits can get up to. Being accredited means you MUST be squeaky clean and WILL be subject to intense scrutiny. You must follow the rules!!

'deposited maximum amount right away maximizing the slot bonus offer' - You OFFER a match bonus up to a certain percentage - Is it now a crime to take the full bonus?

'using auto spin feature while setting up the auto spins to stop when the minimal play-through is complete' - You OFFER auto play and specify that the bonus must be wagered a 'MINIMUM' of xxx in order for it to be completed. Isn't this the reason for attaching wagering? Is the minimum wagering actually NOT the minimum? When the Minimum WR is achieved, Its used as a reason to deny winnings?

'Further more, Anja played only one game using the same bet amount throughout the entire game, making sure the minimum amount needed to complete the wagering has been achieved. Immediately after the player has requested a withdrawal' - Since when are players required to play more than one game? Since when do we need to vary our bet size? Since when must we continue even after the wagering has been achieved?

You can't subject bonus money to wagering then throw in extra unwritten requirements in order for the casino to come out on top. Accept that a player CAN and WILL deposit $20 and cash out $3000... I have done this and haven't been treated like a rogue player... You are trying to make it impossible for a player to win with behavior like this..... This is Rogue behavior at the very least.

GIA - Advise us who actually represents Go Wild and dished out the above explanation of the confiscation?

Nate
 
I agree, although the OP will be paid, this is a far cry from an 'honest mistake'.

Their Fraud team are looking for flags like these and then use T&C's which are clearly against the standards of accreditation to confiscate winnings. They have even made their decision public on another board because they were so confident about it.

That is what bothered me most. Alarm bells should have been ringing when GW composed their response to the player on AskGamblers. And her case was obviously reviewed again for further responses. While I am not as experienced at understanding casino management as many others are here, this felt like a roguish response right from the start. I have taken GW off of my accredited list and what the powers that be here at CM decide to do is, of course respectfully, up to them.
 
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It is great to see that the player will be paid.

But like others here, I am quite disappointed with the last reply from GoWild in this thread.
 
The only mistake here is Go Wild got pulled up and didn't manage to get away with it.
They knew fine well what the story was and just didn't want to pay.
They said there was a mistake, if you look at their reasons for not paying every single one of them actually still remains true
so where is the mistake ?

Deposited maximum
Used auto spins (that is built into the software so making out that is a problem is utterly stupid)
Played one game only.
Bet the same amount.


Abusive play = You won on our casino. That's what you really mean.

Casinos have used every single excuse going. Large bets is abusive play. Small bets are abusive play.
Bla la la the list goes on.


Advice to go wild - If you are going to try and screw a player over and not pay them then employ someone with more brains for your public statements.
You would be better off just actually lying and saying this person used a stolen credit card to deposit as this would at least protect your reputation.
This way even though you are going to pay them everyone can see what really happened and wants nothing to do with Go Wild.
You seem quite prepared to steal their legitimate winnings if you can get away with it so I don't see any reason why you should have a problem with lying.


If it wasn't for Casinomeister no doubt this person would have had no chance and no doubt numerous other people have been refused payment and
never managed to find Casinomeister to complain. I cannot stand this spirit of the promotion rubbish.
If no terms are broken then pay up.
 
Why all the thanks for Gia's post announcing stolen funds being returned?

At least GW is starting to do the right thing. Sometimes gentle persuasion is much better than being forceful. The casino may be pondering whether reputation and integrity is worth preserving vs a few thousand quid. Other members may be thinking the same. I do agree, however, that its simply a case of stolen funds being returned.
 
Why all the thanks for Gia's post announcing stolen funds being returned?

They are at least listening to the forum members along with Casinomeitster himself so we can't hang them out to dry.

It could ALL come down to ONE person passing the judgment on this so I feel in some cases they should get one "
get out of jail" free card so to speak.


It is obvious they declined to pay the client due to what they classed as abusive play and then tried to back step but this is NOTHING any other online casino would do.

I know it shouldn't have happened in the first place but it has, the client has been paid and we can now move forward I guess.

They haven't stepped out of line in the past so a second chance should be warranted in my opinion.

If anything I think Gia was pretty darn honest when she came out and said WHY the client was not getting paid. this is what started this whole debacle.

At least they are HONEST and not like other casinos who like to be cryptic about a lot of things.

Me personally, have no issues playing there still.
 
Why all the thanks for Gia's post announcing stolen funds being returned?


4 of a kind,

This case stinks and GoWild has handlet it badly in my opinion. And their statement "this was only an honest mistake" is obviously very arrogant under these circumstances.

But this does not mean that GoWild is a "rogue" casino or a bad alternative for players. It is completely OK to be critical in this thread and still think that GoWild is a very good casino. To discuss in any thread with a black or white attitude is usually not the best way to resolve cases. And I, like most of the other members here appreciate that casinos are using resources on this forum. So I do not find it strange that members are saying "thank you" to GoWild for their latest reply. The case has been resolved and the player will be paid in full. No other similar cases have been raised concerning GoWild, so there is nothing that indicates that this case is describing for how they usually are doing business.
 
4 of a kind,

This case stinks and GoWild has handlet it badly in my opinion. And their statement "this was only an honest mistake" is obviously very arrogant under these circumstances.

But this does not mean that GoWild is a "rogue" casino or a bad alternative for players. It is completely OK to be critical in this thread and still think that GoWild is a very good casino. To discuss in any thread with a black or white attitude is usually not the best way to resolve cases. And I, like most of the other members here appreciate that casinos are using resources on this forum. So I do not find it strange that members are saying "thank you" to GoWild for their latest reply. The case has been resolved and the player will be paid in full. No other similar cases have been raised concerning GoWild, so there is nothing that indicates that this case is describing for how they usually are doing business.



I understand how some members might feel about a good casino as far as they know, and are willing to overlook a single infraction, once again as far as they know.

I guess it all depends on Bryan’s view. I don’t recall reading anywhere that accredited casinos get more then one chance, but once again it’s Bryan’s business and he gets to do what he pleases. Yet, I do recall in his Halloween web cast making a pretty big deal about this particular issue.

I’m just dwelling on the blatantly obvious facts of this case and am only expressing my personal opinion, as you have above.

I just can’t deny the fact knowing if the OP doesn’t find this site she’s out close to 4K.

If a bank robber gets caught stealing 4k and tells the arresting cops, "I'm sorry... I made a mistake... here's the money back... this is my first robbery ever". Do the cops let him go, or do they lock him up and press charges on him? Please explain the difference. Case Closed
 
Another horrible thread. Great resolution (as far as the player being paid goes) and great to see the PAB working as it's supposed to but right now, it's not enough from Go Wild. I'm grateful to Caruso for bringing this to members attention over at GPWA and I don't have much option but to remove Go Wild's coverage at CasinoBeacon. I have asked for a rep there to post an honest, transparent explanation but it appears we already know the facts, unless the casino is holding back some vital info - which doesn't seem very likely.

Go Wild is one of the last brands I expected to pull this shit.
 
What does +EV mean?

I'm slowly making my way through this thread. What does +EV mean :confused:
 
Hi guys,

The casino manager reviewed the case and decided the player was indeed correct and did not violate any of the casino terms; this was only a mistake in the gameplay evaluation of our finance and fraud team.

We appreciate all the feedback and we will keep striving to improve all our services.

We apologize for any inconvenience caused and take full responsibility for this honest mistake.

The player will be paid fully.

Gia

Honest mistake.
Really Gia.
Sorry but I dont think so.
I have been depositing With GoWild more than any other casino. However due to this you have lost all credibility
I dont trust you anymore.
What a bloody mess.
 
I'm slowly making my way through this thread. What does +EV mean :confused:

Expected Variance

Edit: here's a quote I found, ""EV" is short for "expected variance". Typically, casino games are -EV for the player and +EV for the casino, meaning that the player should lose over the long term and the casino should win. "

Anyone with a better definition can pipe up here :)
 
I'm slowly making my way through this thread. What does +EV mean :confused:

Player edge.

And it's all fine and dandy that Gia got this resolved. But if I were outside the US, I definitely would not play here. That first response was laughably and deliberately rogue, and there was clearly no concern about the unfairness of the "we can do whatever we want" term at the time that post was made.

I'll fix my statement actually. I wouldn't play there until they got rid of this term, or substantiated it with an exhaustive list of what constitutes "irregular play":

3. The Casino reserves the right to decide in its sole discretion which activities constitute "irregular play" for bonus play-through requirement purposes from time-to-time and to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred to meet bonus playthrough requirements.

Term 10 handles bonus abuse the way an accredited casino should:

10. The casino may, at their sole discretion, limit the eligibility of customers to participate in any promotion and/or modify and update these Terms & conditions, at any time, for any reason whatsoever without notice to the end users. No correspondence will be entered into. GoWild's decision will be considered final in the event of a dispute.
 
Pity Zoozie isnt frequenting the forum so much these days otherwise he will explain in more depth. In layman terms I think this means a positive expected value for the player after a certain number of spins/hands and that means it is advantageous to the player in the long run. Personally, Inever think about these things as it takes the gloss off my gaming experience. I deposit $20 or 425 each time so I dont bloody care if its +EV or not as long as I get my thrills and chills. In fact, at the horse races I get have a knack of betting on the rank outsiders at 100-1 odds and when it emerges from the pack my adrenalin gets flowing even though it might be beaten by a short head at the post.

Well, I am a novice at this sort of thing. Maybe others will explain it better.
 
Hi All,

After careful consideration, I've decided to remove GoWild from the Accredited Casino section. Yes, I understand that the player was eventually paid, but this does not erase the fact that the casino management attempted to confiscate the player's winnings via "bonus abuse" jargon. Like many have pointed out in this thread, this behavior by the casino administration is alarming and not acceptable whatsoever. Personally, I am dumbfounded that any manager would even let the phrase "you abused our bonus" pass his lips. This is clearly a "Spirit of the Bonus" issue, and many casinos are failing to see that there are no bonus abusers - just badly written bonuses.

If casinos are going to use bonuses to cater to player greed, then they need to toe the line just as the players do.

GoWild had a history of negating winnings because of bonus abuse, and when they came on board in February this year, I thought they had this squared away. It was posted here last Spring that things were changing. Unfortunately someone didn't get the memo.

Even though the casino reps are great reps in this forum, I don't feel comfortable recommending this casino any longer. Thus they are off the site.
 
Hi All,

After careful consideration, I've decided to remove GoWild from the Accredited Casino section. Yes, I understand that the player was eventually paid, but this does not erase the fact that the casino management attempted to confiscate the player's winnings via "bonus abuse" jargon. Like many have pointed out in this thread, this behavior by the casino administration is alarming and not acceptable whatsoever. Personally, I am dumbfounded that any manager would even let the phrase "you abused our bonus" pass his lips. This is clearly a "Spirit of the Bonus" issue, and many casinos are failing to see that there are no bonus abusers - just badly written bonuses.

If casinos are going to use bonuses to cater to player greed, then they need to toe the line just as the players do.

GoWild had a history of negating winnings because of bonus abuse, and when they came on board in February this year, I thought they had this squared away. It was posted here last Spring that things were changing. Unfortunately someone didn't get the memo.

Even though the casino reps are great reps in this forum, I don't feel comfortable recommending this casino any longer. Thus they are off the site.

I feel really bad for GoWild but believe it had to be done! If CM lets to many casinos slide or bend the rules then the accredited casinos section loses all of it's purpose and would no longer be a safeguard for CM members and players.

Bryan did the right thing and I congratulate him for being firm and not compromising his integrity or that of CM!:thumbsup:

I really love Cm as a whole and am a proud member!:D

Cheers
Gremmy





@GoWild... I was a regular player, playing weekly with GoWild Casino. Haven't had a withdrawal but lots of playtime and enjoyed the experience. I am really disappointed in GoWild as I have now had to uninstall one of my main casinos I play at! I WILL NOT play at any casino that is NOT accredited as the dangers are too high! If I do manage to win I like to know I can count on my winnings arriving! I am disappointed at the stupidity of GoWild!:rolleyes: $3600 is going to cost you umpteen times more in lost deposits(mine included now). I am mainly annoyed that I have had to delete GoWild as it was fast becoming my favourite place to play and now I have to search for a new casino to play at that I feel comfortable with! This is what sucks and you don't realise....Players like to make themselves at 'home' at a casino and like to feel comfortable and safe playing at their 'home' casino. You have annihilated both this trust and comfort in one fell swoop! I hope someone's head will roll for this and you can manage to salvage your reputation in future as you were one of my favourite accredited casinos.
Gremmy.
 
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The point that Go Wild were honest about why the person was not paid is like saying
yes I did indeed steal all that money but I was honest about it so I should be applauded.


"Derail"

Although your link above used for an example in this issue, exhibits prejudice and racial overtones; looking at the good side of things, the homeless guy now gets three free square meals a day, free dental, free medical, clean cloths, access to gyms, heat, etc.

Maybe it was his intentions from the beginning???
 
Why all the thanks for Gia's post announcing stolen funds being returned?

I thanked her post because...
a) she wasn't the one who stole the players' funds, she was the one who helped restore the players' funds
b) as a casino rep, she came on board and ACTUALLY DID HER JOB

As I stated previously in this thread, how many more innocents have been taken to the cleaners simply because they don't know about places like casinomeister, or even gambling grumbles. We are only a small minority (and yes this is just an assumption) in the online gaming world, I'm sure. How many "innocents" are lured in daily by the likes of Virtual? How many players have lost money because of THIS bonus, but weren't fortunate enough to have found CM and had someone go to "bat" for them to help them retrieve their rightful money.

I'm glad THIS player got their money. How many more were "cheated" out of their money by this casino because of these very same issues? We'll never know the answer to that...
 
I thanked her post because...
a) she wasn't the one who stole the players' funds, she was the one who helped restore the players' funds
b) as a casino rep, she came on board and ACTUALLY DID HER JOB

As I stated previously in this thread, how many more innocents have been taken to the cleaners simply because they don't know about places like casinomeister, or even gambling grumbles. We are only a small minority (and yes this is just an assumption) in the online gaming world, I'm sure. How many "innocents" are lured in daily by the likes of Virtual? How many players have lost money because of THIS bonus, but weren't fortunate enough to have found CM and had someone go to "bat" for them to help them retrieve their rightful money.

I'm glad THIS player got their money. How many more were "cheated" out of their money by this casino because of these very same issues? We'll never know the answer to that...

We may get some idea though, as other players who feel they were cheated may realise GoWild finally got pulled up for it, and come here looking to have their cases reviewed too.

It is likely they got hit by some "smart players", and rather than change the rules, decided to void winnings from the "worst offenders". This could have been nipped in the bud early on, with only a few players being affected. The OP could even have been the first, but wouldn't lie down and took it all the way through whatever appeal avenues she could find.

It's possible they first thought the OP was part of a group, which would make this strategy +EV, but could find no evidence of collusion, but went ahead anyway with the confiscation because they had already predetermined guilt.


It also seems that GoWild have deliberately "gaffed" Microgaming's bonus tracking system in order to make it more "player unfriendly", so they are hardly "innocents" in the game played between player and casino. Although you CAN track playthrough, it is done via an "undocumented function" that has only come to light when players have wanted to check their loyalty balances, and when players THINK they have made playthrough, try to withdraw, and find that the "EZBonus" system HAS been in use after all. The "gaffed" part is the bit that normally displays in the lobby when a "mouse over" is done near the balance box.
 
+EV means positive expected value. It can be a difficult concept to explain, but suffice it to say that essentially, it means that the +EV bet you make is likely to result in a positive outcome for yourself. So that if you made an infinite number of bets with +EV, you would grow richer. Likewise, -EV means the opposite - you are likely to lose.

So for example, flipping a coin is neither + nor - EV, since over time, your wins are likely to equal your losses.

But that's a simple example, since there are only two outcomes - heads or tails. (Though, there was a book I read about the Kelly betting method that explained that, in fact, flipping a coin does not have just two outcomes. There is the remote chance that the coin will land on its side. Technically speaking, that does have an impact on EV.)
 
Hi All,

After careful consideration, I've decided to remove GoWild from the Accredited Casino section. Yes, I understand that the player was eventually paid, but this does not erase the fact that the casino management attempted to confiscate the player's winnings via "bonus abuse" jargon. Like many have pointed out in this thread, this behavior by the casino administration is alarming and not acceptable whatsoever. Personally, I am dumbfounded that any manager would even let the phrase "you abused our bonus" pass his lips. This is clearly a "Spirit of the Bonus" issue, and many casinos are failing to see that there are no bonus abusers - just badly written bonuses.

If casinos are going to use bonuses to cater to player greed, then they need to toe the line just as the players do.

GoWild had a history of negating winnings because of bonus abuse, and when they came on board in February this year, I thought they had this squared away. It was posted here last Spring that things were changing. Unfortunately someone didn't get the memo.

Even though the casino reps are great reps in this forum, I don't feel comfortable recommending this casino any longer. Thus they are off the site.

Casinomeister, although I consider your decision to be fair, I am afraid of some bad consequences of that decision. At the time Gowild was accredited at your website they tried to keep their reputation high. But now- after being thrown away from the accredited list- will not they go the rogue way? And if next time they don't pay somebody- will you be able to help that person? So I think GoWild should be left accredited- because they paid eventually.
 

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