Golden Palace WAKE Up! BABIES?

[deaning]

I thought it may be just a joke after the toasted sandwich incident.

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No it isn't. WTF? Sorry GP. Crossed my line big time! Streakers or sandwiches may be funny but children into the equation? What idiots run your promotions?

Never mind. I will not promote you any longer.

Children are precious.

 

[The Dude]

...Never mind. I will not promote you any longer.

Who needs affiliates when you have babies? They are much cuter

Guess I need to update the "Stupid Casino Tricks" section...

 

[caruso]

WTG, Deaning. Good for you.

Part of the fallout from Golden Palace's sabotage of the 2004 Athens Olympics was the following directive from the Kahnawake Gaming Commission:

Golden Palace will not use, promote, encourage or fund this type of marketing ever again

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Presumably what amounts to a form of child abuse is as serious, if not more so, than sabotage of a sporting event.

Since Golden Palace have disregarded the above directive from the KGC, what censorship will the KGC be considering?

Anyone with an opinion on the subject would do worse than to drop them a line and sound them out.

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[Doctor Carlos]

All I Care Is If They Are A Good Choice

I AM GLAD YOU GUYS HAVE SUCH HIGH MORAL STANDARDS, BUT PLEASE CUT THE NON GAMBLING INCIDENTES AND LET ME KNOW HOW GOOD IS GOLDEN PALACE FOR GAMBLING!

Dr. CARLOS

 

[largeeyes]

Lets keep in mind that GP does pay it's winners. I still put them above a lot of other casinos discussed around here.

 

[deaning]

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They can have the next few thousands of visitors.

Golden Palace has been widely promoted by ourselves and we had been earning good money on the poker alone.

You cannot put a price on a kids head. GP have and wrong does not do justice to the utter thoughtlessness of the act.

If you want to play there then I hope your conscience at least gives you a good kick in the arse by sparing a thought for a kid having to face what is a tough enough battle already.

 

[The Dude]

WTG, Deaning. Good for you.

Part of the fallout from Golden Palace's sabotage of the 2004 Athens Olympics was the following directive from the Kahnawake Gaming Commission:

Golden Palace will not use, promote, encourage or fund this type of marketing ever again

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When and where did this appear? I'd like to check out this statement.

And Doctor Carlos, this has everything to do with online casinos (the title of this topic section). The way a casino chooses to market themselves has a direct correlation on how it conducts all forms of its business - to include player fairness and treatment. The eBay funny ha ha's are just about it - stupid funny, and it gets them exposure. But when it comes down to serious business, they lack credibility IMO. For instance, take a look at the auction that Casinomeister and Got2bet conducted last January for Tsunami relief. We raised $111,000 dollars with an auction that lasted 10 days - Golden Palace never made a bid, and believe me they new about it. The problem was that it wasn't something that was a funny ha ha.

Sure, some of the money that they pay for stupid things at eBay is supposedly going to charity - but there are other ways to do this without waving your arms screaming for attention.

 

[Webzcas]

And Doctor Carlos, this has everything to do with online casinos (the title of this topic section). The way a casino chooses to market themselves has a direct correlation on how it conducts all forms of its business

Exactly. However I would also like to add that stunts like this one that Golden Palace has pulled off, does not put the industry in a good light, if anything it tarnishes the industry.

As casino portal webmasters, it is imperative that we ensure our visitors are informed of some of the more dubious activities carried out by casinos that in all intents and purposes can bring the industry under an unwanted spotlight.

Also I am a great believer in responsible gaming as should all online casinos be.

By buying the right to name a baby after an online casino in my view shows the disdain Golden Palace hold for responsible gaming. The message I am reading into this sick marketing ploy by GP is that the bottom line is the increasing of their profit margin and at any cost.

 

[Tdoggy]

Scum

These guys would do anything just to make a buck.....Complete Scum....Children are sacred.....

would never play at Golden Palace after this stunt..Never....

 

[davescamp]

GoldenPalace just offered the opportunity to call a baby with their name, it was a decision of the parents to accept this!
They've been paid to do this, and maybe they needed that money!
I'm not saying such an advertising strategy is not sick, but actually anyone get its goal: GP made people talking of em, and the parents got the money...it's a winning strategy, this means that the whole advertising market is sick!
GP know that many gamblers do not approve such a decision, but they are trying to catch the attention of new clients, and they did (many newspapers reported the fact)!
BTW I've heard even worse name given to chidren for free!!!

 

[Simmo!]

...it was a decision of the parents to accept this!

While one should undoubtedly question GP's ethics in this case, thats where the ultimate responisibility lies IMHO too.

 

[caruso]

Clearly the parents are responsible and are a party to it. You can say this about any of the stunts that involved other people: our friend who sabotaged the Olymics, he's an individual with his own mind, right? Noone forced him, right? So it's his fault, right? So Golden palace aren't responsible, right?

Bullshit. Golden Palace are the moving force behind all this sabotage / stupidity. But hey, let's blame everyone else, why don't we?

LMAO.

When and where did this appear? I'd like to check out this statement.

No idea when - I only stumbled across it two days ago myself. It's in the "news" section, in case you missed it:

News

KGC Investigates Golden Palace

In the past two weeks, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) has received numerous complaints concerning an incident at the Olympic Games in Athens involving a person who streaked an event displaying the name of one of the KGCs permit holders: Golden Palace.

The KGC did not approve or condone the incident in question and does not approve or condone this type of marketing by its permit holders.

After investigating the Athens incident and meeting with representatives of Golden Palace, the KGC has directed that:

1. Golden Palace will not use, promote, encourage or fund this type of marketing ever again, and

2. Given the seriousness of the incident and the negative effect it has had on the communitys reputation, Golden Palace will make a substantial donation to Kahnawake organizations to be identified by the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake.

The KGC is satisfied with Golden Palaces cooperation throughout and considers the matter closed.

For further information, contact the Kahnawake Gaming Commission at 450-635-1076.

Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake
3 September, 2004

 

[deaning]

Publicity works both ways. I will be in Vegas in September at the aff conference. I may dress as a baby, diaper, bib and dummy with "Golden Palace F**KED UP MY LIFE" on my back.

I am not a happy chappy.

 

[Petunia]

** Well-well well!! I thought that putting the image of Lara Croft on a 'diet' was harsh, but this!! I think, that in this case, there are two parties to blame to this. The parents AND the casino. Yet, as much as it is a 'moral' issue, they have not done anything against the law (as far as I can figure). As a parent myself, I believe that it is the PARENT's responsibility to protect their child against harm to the best of their ability! In this case, the casino exploited this child, and the parents did not protect it at all. Although no physical harm has come to the child like (say) in a porno industry, the phsycological damages could be seen as child-abuse too. The parent's actions will leave this child scarred for life - even when it is old enough to change the name .... on the other hand... the kid might actually grow up as a strong individual, riding this name for his own financial gain as it gets older!
Either way. I truly believe they were both at fault here, in a way that society predict moral standards. At least my own. In the end, who is to make this call? Not everyone subscribes to the same moral values as set by 'society'. This is a hard one, and I find myself torn on this issue... As a parent, I say "Crusify them, Group AND Parents" as a business person i say "Well, it is a clever idea, is it against the law?" Very hard indeed. **

 

[mary]

This is going to be a great promotional piece for Senator Kyle's latest bill.

Golden Palace probably doesn't want online gaming to be legalized and regulated in the US, it would just add competition to their landscape, but if Kyle's latest goes through than GP is going to see a significant hit as American banks block all online gambling related transactions.

One of the big criticisms of online casinos is that they don't block access by minors.

 

[tim5ny]

I AM GLAD YOU GUYS HAVE SUCH HIGH MORAL STANDARDS, BUT PLEASE CUT THE NON GAMBLING INCIDENTES AND LET ME KNOW HOW GOOD IS GOLDEN PALACE FOR GAMBLING!

Dr. CARLOS

It's a great place for someone like you! Go play there.

 

[Webzcas]

This is going to be a great promotional piece for Senator Kyle's latest bill.

Golden Palace probably doesn't want online gaming to be legalized and regulated in the US, it would just add competition to their landscape, but if Kyle's latest goes through than GP is going to see a significant hit as American banks block all online gambling related transactions.

One of the big criticisms of online casinos is that they don't block access by minors.

Golden Palace do not give a damn about the industry, this latest sick stunt proves that. God knows how they treat their players.

 

[nafanny29]

Publicity works both ways. I will be in Vegas in September at the aff conference. I may dress as a baby, diaper, bib and dummy with "Golden Palace F**KED UP MY LIFE" on my back.

I am not a happy chappy.

 

[nafanny29]

It's a great place for someone like you! Go play there.

 

[winbig]

GoldenPalace just offered the opportunity to call a baby with their name, it was a decision of the parents to accept this!
They've been paid to do this, and maybe they needed that money!
I'm not saying such an advertising strategy is not sick, but actually anyone get its goal: GP made people talking of em, and the parents got the money...it's a winning strategy, this means that the whole advertising market is sick!
GP know that many gamblers do not approve such a decision, but they are trying to catch the attention of new clients, and they did (many newspapers reported the fact)!
BTW I've heard even worse name given to chidren for free!!!

To even come close to defending GP at all is well.....nevermind.

Sure the parents probably needed the money, but I can guarantee you that the $15,000 MIGHT make a dent in this child's therapy bills over their lifetime....really doubt it though.

 

[suzecat]

Amusing Names

To even come close to defending GP at all is well.....nevermind.

Sure the parents probably needed the money, but I can guarantee you that the $15,000 MIGHT make a dent in this child's therapy bills over their lifetime....really doubt it though.

My maiden name is Mustard. If I were living in the UK, this would probably not be all that unusual. However, living in the US and being a Navy brat (moved a lot) my first 17 years gave folks many opportunities to comment about the name Mustard. I have heard all of the jokes and comments, so please don't try to be clever about it. However, in the final analysis and after 50 years or so of thinking about it, the unusual (and funny) name Mustard has been a great asset. Probably no one has forgotten my last name ever! Let's hope that Golden Palace Silverstein is so lucky.

 

[winbig]

It's great that you see it that way now. But for a baby to be named after a rogue casino with shady advertising practices, I seriously doubt it. I just wonder if the child can change his name after he turns 18 or not.

 

[Slotster!]

For what it's worth (and I know absolutely nothing about Golden Palace) - I reckon "Golden" is a pretty cool first name... You don't have to tell anyone about the palace.com... Bring it on.

Now if a certain well known casino want to put the money up, I'm happy to spend the rest of my days answering to "Thirty Two" or "Reddy"

 

[The Dude]

...Now if a certain well known casino want to put the money up, I'm happy to spend the rest of my days answering to "Thirty Two" or "Reddy"

 

[Slotster!]

I just thought about "The Prisoner" potential too...

"32, can you come here a minute please.."
"I AM NOT A NUMBER!!!!!"
"Erm.. well you kind of are actually"
"Oh yeah. Bugger"

Apologies to any young/non UK viewers for whom the above will make no sense whatsoever

 

[The Dude]

I just thought about "The Prisoner" potential too...

"32, can you come here a minute please.."
"I AM NOT A NUMBER!!!!!"
"Erm.. well you kind of are actually"
"Oh yeah. Bugger"

Apologies to any young/non UK viewers for whom the above will make no sense whatsoever

 

[The Dude]

Come to think of it, there are some cool casino names for babies.

How about King Neptune for a boy?

Seven Sultans (think Seinfeld )

Lucky Nugget

River Belle (for a girl)

Roxy Palace (girl also)

Wild Jack

Ruby Fortune

 

[suzecat]

Why Stop There?

Come to think of it, there are some cool casino names for babies.

How about King Neptune for a boy?

Seven Sultans (think Seinfeld )

Lucky Nugget

River Belle (for a girl)

Roxy Palace (girl also)

Wild Jack

Ruby Fortune

How about............

Cool Cat

Golden Balls

Grand Banks

All Jackpots

 

[caruso]

So what amounts to child abuse is funny?

Golden Palace have put up money for a child to have a name which can easily lead to a whole host of problems with its peers when it gets to school age. Think for a moment about the amount of roll-calling that goes on in school, registers, sports teams and all. They'll pick up on that and run with it - unfortunately. The child itself is in no position to do anything about this until its old enough to handle matters like this of its own volition.

But hey, let's not bother about that: let's focus on another opportunity to talk up 32Red.

LOL, what a tacky turn this thread's taken.

 

[The Dude]

So what amounts to child abuse is funny?

Golden Palace have put up money for a child to have a name which can easily lead to a whole host of problems with its peers when it gets to school age. Think for a moment about the amount of roll-calling that goes on in school, registers, sports teams and all. They'll pick up on that and run with it - unfortunately. The child itself is in no position to do anything about this until its old enough to handle matters like this of its own volition.

But hey, let's not bother about that: let's focus on another opportunity to talk up 32Red.

LOL, what a tacky turn this thread's taken.

Jeeze, Caruso. Lighten up a little, eh? I'm sure this will back-fire on GP, and will be a topic at the upcoming GIGSE.

Food for thought, something like this is illegal in Germany. You cannot name a baby any name. It has to be a "real" name. My son has a Hawaiian middle name (Keanu) and I had to prove the name was real with documents before they filled out the Birth Certificate.

 

[caruso]

Fair enough.

I'm interested in the legality with regard to the Kahnawake ruling, however:

Golden Palace will not use, promote, encourage or fund this type of marketing ever again.

Although this could be interpreted as applying to nothing less than an exact repeat of the Olympic sabotage, "this type" being fairly wooly, I'm sure a case could be made for a breach of agreement.

 

[amandajm]

The best that can come of this is the parents take GP's 15k, then go spend a score to change the babies name by Outdated URL (Invalid) or whatever the process is where the child is from the next day.

Which leads me to guess GP thought of that and have a contract saying they can't.

Of course, the auction was over in 2 minutes i gather, with 1 bidder. Which would lead one to hazard a guess that the thing was a set up from the getgo anyhow.

When this kid bowls around it's school, being called GP or whatever, will that be classed as advertising to minors? I would hope that if that is so, all the parents of all the other kids take gp to the cleaners.

I obviously think the igc should step in here and take this firm to task, should have done so already actually. Without needing a minion like me to contact them with a heads up.

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Number one online casino GoldenPalace.com has done it again, getting another person to be a living, breathing advertisement for them. This time the billboard-person is a baby boy in Pennsylvania

 

[caruso]

Oh for f***'s sake.

He wont know whats going on, let alone that he is advertising an online casino.

Those of you Yanks worried about the anti-gambling malcontents in the US aren't going to be taking much comfort from any of this. Talk about fuelling the flames of the "no" lobby.

Not that that has anything to do with the morality of this obnoxious behaviour.

 

[deaning]

Are these replies jokes or agendas? I am a little out of touch lately but I see no humour at all in this exploitation.

 

[The Dude]

Are these replies jokes or agendas? I am a little out of touch lately but I see no humour at all in this exploitation.

Sometimes humor is a defense mechanism designed to make life easier to cope with. No one is poking fun of the baby.

I'm in the process of contacing both GP and the Kahnawake Gaming Comission on this. I'm just hoping it's a big joke and they're pulling our legs.

 

[Webzcas]

I'm in the process of contacing both GP and the Kahnawake Gaming Comission on this. I'm just hoping it's a big joke and they're pulling our legs.

I will be very interested to hear what the Kahnawake Gaming Comission's view of this latest stunt is. Interesting to note that the Casino Blasters rep on CAP actually defended the actions of GP and called it a 'win/win' situation.

 

[The Dude]

...Interesting to note that the Casino Blasters rep on CAP actually defended the actions of GP and called it a 'win/win' situation.

It's sad when there are so many firms who don't give a flying rat's ass about this industry. Obviously, they only care about making a buck and couldn't care less how it's being made. Show me da money!

Anyway, it's giving me something to talk about during my panel discussion at the GIGSE. GP wants exposure? Well, they'll get it there

 

[Slotster!]

Um... I think it's funny, sorry!

Moreover, there's far worse child abuse in the world for this to get me agitated.... Hell, people call their kids way stupider names out of choice - and don't even get paid for it!!

It makes Golden Palace look a bit stupid to people like us, but gains them the conversations and publicity they're after... Whatever... I think comments like some of those up there are, IMHO, a little bit out of proportion and inappropriately dramatic.

 

[Petunia]

** All moral, emotional and such issues with this asside... They have done EXACTLY as intended. Getting a reaction. The thing is, there are still saps out there who'd go to the casino, sign up just "To see what the big deal" is about. The attention created by this, good or not, is precisely what the intention of the deal was.
In all honesty, what do you guys think would be the 'punishment' for this be?
Revoke their licence (with maybe a time-period in which they, or anyone associated with them, may not apply for another licence ANYWHERE)
Who should enforce this?
AS for the parents:
Give the money back?
Have social welfare on the case?
What????????
It does however bring an interesting twist, as was suggested... Advertising to Minors! **

 

[jetset]

I will be very interested to hear what the Kahnawake Gaming Comission's view of this latest stunt is. Interesting to note that the Casino Blasters rep on CAP actually defended the actions of GP and called it a 'win/win' situation.

Yeah - they boasted in like vein when they disrupted the Olympic swimming event, several other major international sporting finals and nearly got their streaker gored on the Pamplona bull run, too. Very responsible company to go after publicity at the expense of others.

I agree the parents are equally at fault, but you would assume that a responsible company would impose some ethical limits on the activities of its marketers.

Petunia is right - this sort of heated discussion would no delight them in their mistaken belief that there is no such thing as bad publicity. I guess Kahnawake could impose another fine on GP to go to charity - assuming that was ever collected. The social welfare angle is interesting, too although I suspect that a lot of red tape would ensue in most countries.

Looks like Bryan's panel discussion at GIGSE will be worth watching!

Now that could be another controversy for them to exploit....

 

[The Dude]

Fake Baby???

Me thinks they might be having one on us.

I think this may be an attention-getting ruse. Check out the "birth certificate" on the site. It looks like it may have been Photoshopped. Does anyone live in NJ and can verify that this baby was even born and named there? It would have been in the paper and also available via public records.

I'm starting to think it's a load of poo poo.

And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

 

[The Dude]

The more I look at this, the more I think it's been faked.

It's the x's I think.

I've recreated the image and text (more or less) on a copy. Now I had to rotate "GOLDENPALACEDOTCOM" to line up with the original. I wrote "SILVERMAN" and did the same thing. It was the exact amount of rotation. But when I did the x's, they didn't line up. In fact all three x's are perfectly straight (the x's used in the check boxes). Now I repeated the rotation for an "x" that I placed in the "female" box; note that it looks more natural. Also note that all three original x's are in the exact same position in the boxes. You'd think there is a chance for a slight variation.

Conclusion: the graphic artist rotated the larger text to line up with the lines but didn't rotate the x's.

Some of you graphically inclined people can try this at home

Anyway, I'm not 100% sure, but so far it looks like it may be a fake.

 

[amandajm]

Hopefully you are right. Hard to keep up with what you mean to be honest, but don't let that surprise you too much heh.

 

[Webzcas]

Hmmmmm. Interesting, I know a few photoshop experts at 419eater.com , I'll get their opinion.

Still ruse or not, doesn't explain the reaction of Casino Blasters on Cap. GP will remain on my condemned list.

 

[paul02085]

If the kid is named Golden Palace.com doesnt that mean the parents will save alot of money on diapers?

 

[deaning]

Claims of charity are just laughable. They have not commented on my offer to auction my anus and tattoo on it the winning bids website. Anything else but a kid at the basis of this and I can assure you I would see the humour in it.

If it is a hoax then funny ha ha...it will have a far greater negative effect, any publicity is good publicity is a bit of a misnomer.

 

[jetset]

I agree - it would be an extremely hazardous and risky tactic to first of all go this baby-naming route at all or hoax the public. This story has attracted wide mainstream coverage and the result of a hoax would not be pretty.

 

[Petunia]

** Hmm, i'm starting to think that it might not be a hoax, but a bit of clever market research! If you are looking into doing something like this, you'd want to know how pple would react to this. What the implications are etc.
If not real, then this is a clever little marketing strategy... research and free exposure all rolled into one... come to think of it... It worked up the industry, caused a buzz and of course, give them good clues as to what might happen if they DO proceed with something like this!
or
It could be that someone has a bit of a 'hackle' with them, and are doing them a favour by giving them 'bad' publicity.
or
It is all true, in which case they have succeeded in a marketing strategy (at what cost though - one might wonder) and we won't be too upset at their next 'event' because "At least it is not as bad as naming a child after a casino.)

All in all, very clever. **

 

[The Dude]

There is nothing mentioned about this in the Atlantic City Press. Search results for "Golden Palace" only pulled up an article for Britney Spear's Pregnancy Test eBay auction:

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Kahnawakee nor GP have responded to my inquiries yet.

 

[The Dude]

Star-Ledger - nothing but the Pope-mobile article and cheese sandwich articles

Trenton Times nothing at all

Jersey Journal no Pope Mobile, Cheese sandwich, nada.

The Express-Times nothing.

Contrary to a popular belief, it looks like GP isnt getting much press at all.

I'm beginning to think this is a crock of poo.