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People have resigned for less, but also not resigned over worse.
This should be the gold standard.
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This should be the gold standard.
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you guys and all your govt scandals, you should be more like us Canadians
no, wait, I mean.....
no, wait, I mean.....
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And he has done it multiple times, so many that when asked about it he cant recall how many.
Sadly for Boris, he does not have the hair to get away with stunts like that.
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The first sitting UK Prime Minister ever to break the law and be sanctioned for it whilst in office. (That's over three hundred years.)
Johnson did have the option of going to court to challenge it, but if found guilty (which he almost certainly would be, since he ACTUALLY WENT TO HIS OWN BIRTHDAY PARTY DURING LOCKDOWN) he'd then have a criminal record.
And this guy was a known quantity, he was known to be a liar, a charlatan, a fraud, a narcissist and a man with no moral compass whatsoever - and yet somehow he got voted in anyway, and now we have a law breaker for a Prime Minister, who still has the power to make the laws that everyone else has to follow on pain of arrest, fines, and jail.
By all accounts Downing Street now has one of the highest crime rates in the country. (Fifty fixed penalty notices and counting.)
Johnson did have the option of going to court to challenge it, but if found guilty (which he almost certainly would be, since he ACTUALLY WENT TO HIS OWN BIRTHDAY PARTY DURING LOCKDOWN) he'd then have a criminal record.
And this guy was a known quantity, he was known to be a liar, a charlatan, a fraud, a narcissist and a man with no moral compass whatsoever - and yet somehow he got voted in anyway, and now we have a law breaker for a Prime Minister, who still has the power to make the laws that everyone else has to follow on pain of arrest, fines, and jail.
By all accounts Downing Street now has one of the highest crime rates in the country. (Fifty fixed penalty notices and counting.)
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A little reminder that one of Johnson's tutors had the mark of him back in 1982.
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I’m only a visitor to this country (on a visa) so I’m choosing to be publicly reserved about all this, but I do have to say how much I loved this comment ?.
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And in reality noone really cares . Would be forgot by most if it never kept getting brought back up.
Yes should not have attended a party during lockdown but neither should half the country that visited friends and family either.
Serious crime. Having a laugh and to then say Westminster has one of the highness crime rates in country now.
Yeah sure that will make people that stay in rundown areas with real crime and are scared to walk the streets feel better.
But since we are talking serious crimes I have a confession to make and hope it does not lead to trouble for me.
It was raining the other day. And I broke the law by smoking in a bus shelter. As if the crime was not bad enough I then proceeded to throw the cigarette end on the pavement. I turned into a serial offender. Finding it hard to live with the guilt.
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I am no Boris Johnson fan and until 24th February was as vocal as the next person that he should resign over the numerous parties that took place in Downing Street, whilst at the same time locking the entire country down.
However, Johnson has shown himself on the world stage with regards Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine and the atrocities and genocidal campaign that Putin is waging, that he is the best person to lead the UK through this crisis and so it would seem, NATO.
Indeed if anything, he is leading the West in this regard and this is not something lost on the average Ukrainian let alone their inspiring President Zelensky.
So in my view, he needs to remain in office as PM, as what are the alternatives? Liz Truss, or if Labour got in, Keir Starmer who can't even identify what a woman is!
Therefore I will 'reluctantly' support Boris unless he tries to enforce another lockdown, that is my own personal red line as far as my support for Boris goes.
However, Johnson has shown himself on the world stage with regards Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine and the atrocities and genocidal campaign that Putin is waging, that he is the best person to lead the UK through this crisis and so it would seem, NATO.
Indeed if anything, he is leading the West in this regard and this is not something lost on the average Ukrainian let alone their inspiring President Zelensky.
So in my view, he needs to remain in office as PM, as what are the alternatives? Liz Truss, or if Labour got in, Keir Starmer who can't even identify what a woman is!
Therefore I will 'reluctantly' support Boris unless he tries to enforce another lockdown, that is my own personal red line as far as my support for Boris goes.
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Not being pedantic, but receiving an FPN does not constitute a criminal offence. Unless you do not pay it and then a court finds you are liable for said FPN....
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Just seen on twitter, some may think harsh.
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I'll defer to Nish Kumar when it comes to the 'oh but war' argument.
(Also, for the record, we had three Prime Ministers and four governments during WW2, which was a war we were actually fighting in.)
(Also, for the record, we had three Prime Ministers and four governments during WW2, which was a war we were actually fighting in.)
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I do like Private Eye, their covers really do distil things down to a perfect bop on the nose with near perfection every single time. (I got that issue this morning.)
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But the real question is, now that he has resigned, who will defend family pornography? ?
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Yeah, i cant say i had heard the term 'family pornography' before, those two words dont belong together.I was going to laugh thinking it a typo but it's not
The reasoning behind it was also a bit questionable, it was along the lines of:
'What if a man takes a picture of his wife on the beach for his own sexual gratification, and just happens to catch a woman breastfeeding in the picture aswell'
Which im guessing translates to: 'I have an out of control breastfeeding fetish, please dont take this away from me'
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He even replied to the tweet and explained it was more complex than they made it out to be, and fair enough, it sort of is.
But i dont know, i think im sticking with the breastfeeding fetish theory on this one, his example of how 'normal' people could get caught up in this is too weird.
"However, I respectfully disagree with the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, that this issue is clearly defined in her amendment. I want to pick up on the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, if I may; we have had the benefit of some discussions. A number of points look like drafting points but are not, because they really go to the question of the scope of the proposed amendment and what it is seeking to encompass. Let me give a couple of examples, without turning the Committee into a legislative drafting session. Here is example A; I will try to use the initials from the amendment. A takes a photo of his wife, partner or girlfriend on a beach in her bikini, intending to use that image for his own sexual gratification. Another woman, B, is on the same beach, breastfeeding her baby, and is unintentionally caught by A in the picture. I heard what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, said, but I respectfully suggest that this would be caught by the proposed amendment. A would have no defence as, first, he intended the picture for sexual gratification and recorded the image for that purpose. Secondly, he would have no defence of consent by B because B did not consent. A would also not be able to have the second defence of reasonably believing that she was giving consent because he had no idea at all that she was in the picture.
That is one example, but this goes further than drafting. Let us say that A was aware that B was caught in the background of the photo but was not aware that she was breastfeeding. Again, A would not be able to say that B had consented or that he reasonably believed that she had consented. Further, would an image of someone breastfeeding that did not actually include the act of breastfeeding—for example, a photograph capturing only a breastfeeding mother’s face—be captured under this amendment? What parts of the body, if I can put it that way, would we require the image to capture? As the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, explained, this is different from the upskirting offence because the law there condescends to particular parts of the body that must be captured in a photo. Would we wish to capture images taken of breastfeeding regardless of whether it is in a private, semi-private or public setting?"
But i dont know, i think im sticking with the breastfeeding fetish theory on this one, his example of how 'normal' people could get caught up in this is too weird.
"However, I respectfully disagree with the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, that this issue is clearly defined in her amendment. I want to pick up on the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, if I may; we have had the benefit of some discussions. A number of points look like drafting points but are not, because they really go to the question of the scope of the proposed amendment and what it is seeking to encompass. Let me give a couple of examples, without turning the Committee into a legislative drafting session. Here is example A; I will try to use the initials from the amendment. A takes a photo of his wife, partner or girlfriend on a beach in her bikini, intending to use that image for his own sexual gratification. Another woman, B, is on the same beach, breastfeeding her baby, and is unintentionally caught by A in the picture. I heard what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, said, but I respectfully suggest that this would be caught by the proposed amendment. A would have no defence as, first, he intended the picture for sexual gratification and recorded the image for that purpose. Secondly, he would have no defence of consent by B because B did not consent. A would also not be able to have the second defence of reasonably believing that she was giving consent because he had no idea at all that she was in the picture.
That is one example, but this goes further than drafting. Let us say that A was aware that B was caught in the background of the photo but was not aware that she was breastfeeding. Again, A would not be able to say that B had consented or that he reasonably believed that she had consented. Further, would an image of someone breastfeeding that did not actually include the act of breastfeeding—for example, a photograph capturing only a breastfeeding mother’s face—be captured under this amendment? What parts of the body, if I can put it that way, would we require the image to capture? As the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, explained, this is different from the upskirting offence because the law there condescends to particular parts of the body that must be captured in a photo. Would we wish to capture images taken of breastfeeding regardless of whether it is in a private, semi-private or public setting?"
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What a load of toe-jam waffle on a bizarre fetish subject, they love all this noble lord and lady stuff too.
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Dont you dare speak ill of the noble lord, Lord David.
It is not the noble lords fault that breastfeeding women are always in the background of pictures he takes with his noble camera.
Ok, maybe its a little bit silly.
The only lords worthy of respect are Buckethead and Darth.
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is that one of those dirty pictures or the kind where vases and grapes conveniently cover the naughty bits?
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maybe that's why I gave up on art 
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There are also a hell of a lot of rule breakers across the UK as well. The Majority of the country will have broke the rules in place at some point.
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But what are you basing that assertion on?
Thinking back to our lockdowns on the island, I didn't know a single person, friend or family, who didn't follow the rules carefully at all times. We definitely did have people on the island who broke the rules, and where they were caught, they were sent to prison - we weren't fucking about.
We also had an all-island 40mph speed limit imposed, the idea being to reduce/eliminate the risk of serious car accidents that could put extra strain on the hospital. During the first lockdown here, which was very strict, I had to travel around the island for work (I had a letter explaining what I was doing, that I could show to the police if I was stopped), and I obeyed that 40mph speed limit at all times - even on out of the way roads where I knew full well I could get away going as fast as I wanted and there would be no police - because I understood the point of the 40mph restriction and what it was designed to achieve.
There will always be selfish people who think the rules shouldn't/don't apply to them, but that doesn't then become a position from which to justify selfish actions that can negatively impact many other people.
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Yes we all know how strict it was on your island never worked in the end tho.
What am i basing my assertion on.
Oh let me see. During Lockdown we had many Black lifes protests. Every person attending broke rules. We also had several instances of huge crowds celebrating football teams winning leagues . Again every person attending breaking law.
Then all the people visiting parents and friends etc. Maybe countless people not wearing masks on public transport. The thousands on beaches and parks when not allowed. People not social distancing. People leaving local areas for non essential travel.
List is endless. They might have been trying to portay in the media how most people were following guidance but in reality many carried on life as usual. Maybe not on your Island but certainly on mainland UK.
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Brexit continues to eat its children.
This is the first time in the 101 year history of Northern Ireland that a nationalist party has won the most seats in an election.
With the Tories now in third place in Scotland, one of Johnson's (many) fucked-up legacies may well turn out to be the end of the United Kingdom.
This is the first time in the 101 year history of Northern Ireland that a nationalist party has won the most seats in an election.
With the Tories now in third place in Scotland, one of Johnson's (many) fucked-up legacies may well turn out to be the end of the United Kingdom.
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I take it Starmer will follow the advice he gave BJ and resign while he is investigated for lockdown breaches?
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This could go in odds and ends but I'm pointing my knackered finger [slots with no autospin] at the HOC, I mean are they having a laugh, the only connection should be MPs wrestling...starmer vs bojo, rees mogg vs diane abbott 
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The rise of SF has been bubbling for years but agree that Brexit has been a factor that have pushed them onto the next level. Certainly not helped by the DUP's ineptitude in the protocol business. Most Moderates like myself will be saddened of the relegation of the SDLP as well to the 5th Party - certainly not a legacy befitting of John Hume.
More impressive though (depending on your viewpoint) has been their rise in the Republic as voters, especially the young voters whom they seem to be able to attract with their left policies, turn on the two main parties.
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I don't think he should resign for being investigated, the circumstances around Johnson and Starmer are massively different.
If Starmer is fined however, his situation becomes untenable and he will have to go, and in honesty I think he would. (It'd also shine the light back on Johnson and Sunak, who of course have already been fined and didn't resign.)
I'd be careful what you wish for though. Starmer isn't a great leader and Labour have some better people to take his place.
Given the Tories' awful performance in the local elections, if Labour could put forward a more visionary leader capable of inspiring popular support, the Tories would be toast at the next general election.
What we really need to see IMO is a centre-left coalition at the next general election, and it has one job, to get the Tories out and reform our voting system to use proportional representation, Labour should have done it when it had the chance in the Blair/Brown years, but like all parties that win using FPTP, they then decide there's no need to change it after all.
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Incidentally I follow this guy on Twitter, he's been spookily correct about all of this Partygate stuff, lockdown breaches in general, and indeed it's the field he works in, he can't see Starmer getting fined, and he's generally on the money.
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Yes the results definitely show some interesting trends, similar to what we see in the UK in that younger voters are more liberal and left-leaning, more pro-EU and so on. (The Tories' supporters in the UK are literally dying of old age, they're on a clock as to how long they can keep winning elections IMO.)
The Alliance party coming in third place in NI is very impressive, the DUP's utter incompetence over Brexit and the protocol has done for them, I cannot think of a clearer example of 'turkeys voting for Christmas' than the DUP propping up and helping to facilitate a hard Brexit that put a border straight down the Irish Sea.
The thing is it was all known and explained to them beforehand, Johnson's position that 'nothing will change' was a demonstrable lie, neither he nor May before him ever solved the 'Brexit Trilemma', however whereas May had the decency to concede to reality (to an extent), Johnson did his usual routine and simply lied about it.
That's the thing about lies, in the end, they always get found out. Brexit's many lies are coming home to roost, and will continue to do so as the months and years roll by.
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Possible, or likely, that the DUP spit the dummy out re the appointment of the First Minister and could see a fresh election later in the year. If that happens i imagine an even greater shift to the likes of the Alliance Party so they have some tricky choices to make
24 weeks or something to establish a government - bit of a joke. As Dire Straits sang - Money for Nothing.
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With all the serious problems and difficulties the public and country face this seems a bit of a hullabaloo, but then starmer sought to politically gain from bojo's law breaking, or certainly make the most of it, when he clearly had his own event which most people at the time would've shook their head if told this was within the rules. This curry was attended by 30 people apparently. To think starmer was banging on for 2 years about requiring tougher lockdowns as well 
They're all charlatans and hypocrites, a fact highlighted by the flouting of these rules. What's that? No, you can't see your dying mother in Ward E, you potentially diseased cretin. But a 'work gathering' you say? that's fine, we're all here now so why not open that bottle of plonk!
The breathtaking disdain these 'leaders' have for the serfs is quite something to behold. The fact that Johnson, Sunak & gang have been so publicly exposed and still continue to absolve themselves of blame is shameful to say the least. One of Starmer's mildly admirable traits was (what appeared to be) his following of Covid rules - there was an Opposition leader whose PM critiques held some weight. Alas, that was an illusory and deflective strategy to mask his own shortcomings.
I mean, you know you're in trouble when Diane Abbot piles on the pressure to resign if fined. Yet ultimately, Starmer's done for; fine and become a dead duck Elections- trasher, or resign in shame for being a lying, beer- swivelling weasel, and let the world witness another comedic Labour leader vote (trust me, I'd also have wanted the Johnson and Sunak to resign, but let's not think in Narnia terms just yet).
Scandalous that political swazz is held by the police too, as they're likely to influence the political landscape and may even not fine Sir Keir, it has been stated, which, if true, is scandalous in itself. Though if he were to resign, maybe 'Basic Instinct' Rayner may finally grab her chance. She's grabbed everything else, so why not ?
The breathtaking disdain these 'leaders' have for the serfs is quite something to behold. The fact that Johnson, Sunak & gang have been so publicly exposed and still continue to absolve themselves of blame is shameful to say the least. One of Starmer's mildly admirable traits was (what appeared to be) his following of Covid rules - there was an Opposition leader whose PM critiques held some weight. Alas, that was an illusory and deflective strategy to mask his own shortcomings.
I mean, you know you're in trouble when Diane Abbot piles on the pressure to resign if fined. Yet ultimately, Starmer's done for; fine and become a dead duck Elections- trasher, or resign in shame for being a lying, beer- swivelling weasel, and let the world witness another comedic Labour leader vote (trust me, I'd also have wanted the Johnson and Sunak to resign, but let's not think in Narnia terms just yet).
Scandalous that political swazz is held by the police too, as they're likely to influence the political landscape and may even not fine Sir Keir, it has been stated, which, if true, is scandalous in itself. Though if he were to resign, maybe 'Basic Instinct' Rayner may finally grab her chance. She's grabbed everything else, so why not ?
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The thing is Mr Goaty I don't think there's much of an equivalence to be drawn here between Starmer and Johnson - and lumping them all together with the 'all as bad as each other' attitude is IMO a perilously reductive way of looking at things.
There is ample evidence (with the fines to prove it, and more to come by all accounts) of a culture of law-breaking at No 10 Downing Street, which Johnson was both aware of and complicit in, and we also know for a fact he lied about it on multiple occasions.
With Starmer and 'beergate' (which incidentally, has been known about since the time, it's only with the Tories in peril that the right wing press has really decided to lean into it), whilst we do have a gathering of people eating and drinking together, there is every chance that it will be within what was permitted at the time under the rules - the police are investigating so let's see where that ends up. (Which, if you recall, was the line the Tories used with Johnson, we're innocent until proven guilty in this country!)
Starmer may be many things, but reckless is not one of them, I'd have expected both him and the people around him to have been careful over what they did, when, and how.
That said, if he is found to have broken the rules and is fined, then he's toast and he has to go.
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With all the serious problems and difficulties the public and country face this seems a bit of a hullabaloo, but then starmer sought to politically gain from bojo's law breaking, or certainly make the most of it, when he clearly had his own event which most people at the time would've shook their head if told this was within the rules. This curry was attended by 30 people apparently. To think starmer was banging on for 2 years about requiring tougher lockdowns as well
Decent analysis of it here, all done in seven and a half minutes.
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This is worth three minutes of your time, a very clear distillation of how NI has ended up where it is now.
Spoiler alert - It's a load of lies, and lies, and lies.
Spoiler alert - It's a load of lies, and lies, and lies.
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So here you go folks, six years after the referendum and two and a half years after Johnson triumphantly won a general election to GET BREXIT DONE, we have a list of great stuff we can look forward to, identified by BREXIT OPPORTUNITIES Minister and haunted pencil, Jacob-Rees Mogg, following a public consultation.
Well worth flushing 12% of our trade and 4% of total GDP down the toilet, I'm sure you'll all agree.
I for one cannot wait to brandish my new POWERFUL UK VACUUM CLEANER - take that EU!
(Almost every single one is about removing consumer, worker or environmental protections.)
Well worth flushing 12% of our trade and 4% of total GDP down the toilet, I'm sure you'll all agree.
I for one cannot wait to brandish my new POWERFUL UK VACUUM CLEANER - take that EU!
(Almost every single one is about removing consumer, worker or environmental protections.)
It was pretty much what swayed my vote. Too many
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s coming over, so we got our hoovering sovereignty back. Get Dyson Done!Well, what better place to put this, short of creating e GE 2025 thread!
So it comes to pass that Government officials and negotiators were unable to prevent Rail workers going on strike, with Johnson, having survived his leadership coup, doing precisely naff-all. When hardball talks failed, RMT were still some way short of the 7% increase they asked for, and were offered 3 instead.
So hold on to your hats and brace yourself for another Winter of Discontent, as this industrial action will be in scheduled bursts all the way through 'til Christmas! And that's before we get on to other sectors wanting a piece of the pie, with teachers, NHS workers, refuse collections etc set to join in.
Not before having said aggrieved and completely not handsomely paid in proportion to the rest of the country Rail workers taunting everyday folk with shots of themselves reclining at home without a care in the world, as the rest of the country struggles to make ends meet. And Labour's silence is also deafening, without so much as a hint of condemnation from them either.
Let the good times roll!
So it comes to pass that Government officials and negotiators were unable to prevent Rail workers going on strike, with Johnson, having survived his leadership coup, doing precisely naff-all. When hardball talks failed, RMT were still some way short of the 7% increase they asked for, and were offered 3 instead.
So hold on to your hats and brace yourself for another Winter of Discontent, as this industrial action will be in scheduled bursts all the way through 'til Christmas! And that's before we get on to other sectors wanting a piece of the pie, with teachers, NHS workers, refuse collections etc set to join in.
Not before having said aggrieved and completely not handsomely paid in proportion to the rest of the country Rail workers taunting everyday folk with shots of themselves reclining at home without a care in the world, as the rest of the country struggles to make ends meet. And Labour's silence is also deafening, without so much as a hint of condemnation from them either.
Let the good times roll!
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I suspect part of it may be about ticket counters and physical tickets being done away with, that's a lot of (union member's) jobs going.
The Government is planning to close every rail ticket office in England, leaving passengers to buy their tickets online, according to The Times. The move will save £500million a year and is reported to be ready to roll out from September.
The paper says the rail industry has written a confidential strategy to phase out physical tickets, closing its almost 1,000 ticket offices in England. One in every eight tickets is still bought over the counter according to Transport Secretary Grant Shapps.
Oh goody more progress, I don't want to do everything with a flaming mobile phone. We're at risk of becoming slaves or imprisoned to technology rather than having a nice balance.
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[nightmare website, crashed my ancient pc]The Government is planning to close every rail ticket office in England, leaving passengers to buy their tickets online, according to The Times. The move will save £500million a year and is reported to be ready to roll out from September.
The paper says the rail industry has written a confidential strategy to phase out physical tickets, closing its almost 1,000 ticket offices in England. One in every eight tickets is still bought over the counter according to Transport Secretary Grant Shapps.
Oh goody more progress, I don't want to do everything with a flaming mobile phone. We're at risk of becoming slaves or imprisoned to technology rather than having a nice balance.
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Looks like driverless trains are on their way too eventually
Evening standard, mar 2022:
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has reportedly insisted on driverless tech as a condition for a long-term settlement with TfL, according to the Daily Mail citing a Government source...
Boris Johnson has repeatedly pushed for driverless trains.
He said during funding negotiations with TfL in 2020: “Let’s not be the prisoners of the unions any more, let’s go to driverless trains and let’s make that a condition of the funding settlement for Transport for London this autumn.”
However, unions have strongly resisted the idea.
Evening standard, mar 2022:
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has reportedly insisted on driverless tech as a condition for a long-term settlement with TfL, according to the Daily Mail citing a Government source...
Boris Johnson has repeatedly pushed for driverless trains.
He said during funding negotiations with TfL in 2020: “Let’s not be the prisoners of the unions any more, let’s go to driverless trains and let’s make that a condition of the funding settlement for Transport for London this autumn.”
However, unions have strongly resisted the idea.
I love Grant Shapps, he's really attuned to his role, and who can forget his affable nature in this promo piece. Thankfully, his prowess shone through during these RMT negotiations, and the country's in a great state. Pass me those shades! *
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I personally feel sorry for anyone who has to travel regularly on a train, unless travelling first class or Avanti.
Last train I got on featured a couple of scallies swigging down special brew, a pool of vomit on the floor and passenger doors that almost blew in every time another train went past. Then again I suppose I should be lucky I even got a seat at all, seeing as you often see people crammed into that little area between carriages, having to breathe in the noxious stench of the toilet.
Last train I got on featured a couple of scallies swigging down special brew, a pool of vomit on the floor and passenger doors that almost blew in every time another train went past. Then again I suppose I should be lucky I even got a seat at all, seeing as you often see people crammed into that little area between carriages, having to breathe in the noxious stench of the toilet.
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- May 22, 2012
It's grim up north mate. Down here we get seats, the toilets smell of pot pourri and the passengers can afford asti spumante. And the doors tend to be screwed in and secure, no gorilla glue or tape in sight. I think levelling-up hasn't reached your parts in earnest yet.
PS. Put the subtitles on during the video and remember the lyrics lol (OH! You cannot, too much profanity!) It was done 15 years ago so the '30k' should be '60k' btw...
WARNING: pro-rata language contained therein is as bad as one of my Bonanza videos, if easily offended fuck-off and don't listen to it.
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