General Election 2019 thread

Gardengate inquiry

Given that there are criminal investigations and given that partygate took place too long ago legally for any prosecutions are they investigating drug use?
12 people are being investigated. 300 photographs, 70 statements already taken. 500 peaces of paper submitted containing info and the team investigating will probably be bigger than what would be expected to conduct a murder investigation. It seems to be pretty serious.

Oh and happy brexit anniversary :P
 
For sure Boris is off his tits 99% of the time. Here he is on meth, thinking he's playing for England at Wembley but mercilessly tackling an Under- 12 Blind local Rugby team player:

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On the bright side, and despite Covid's best efforts to undermine the great achievement that is Brexit, the wobble-headed buffoon did (sort of) get it done, so Happy Brexit Day! Woo!

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For sure Boris is off his tits 99% of the time. Here he is on meth, thinking he's playing for England at Wembley but mercilessly tackling an Under- 12 Blind local Rugby team player:

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On the bright side, and despite Covid's best efforts to undermine the great achievement that is Brexit, the wobble-headed buffoon did (sort of) get it done, so Happy Brexit Day! Woo!

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I give this a like on behalf of Mr Ike's close neighbour and friend :thumbsup:
 
Inflation set to top 7%
Interest rates rising
Taxes rising
Domestic energy prices to rise by 50%
GDP forecast slashed
Living standards falling
Overall tax burden on normal people at the highest level for 70 years
Food bank usage in the UK now at unprecedented levels

All hail the party of economic competence! All hail Boris 'Got Brexit Done' Johnson!

I'm sure it's all worth it.

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Inflation set to top 7%
Interest rates rising
Taxes rising
Domestic energy prices to rise by 50%
GDP forecast slashed
Living standards falling
Overall tax burden on normal people at the highest level for 70 years
Food bank usage in the UK now at unprecedented levels

All hail the party of economic competence! All hail Boris 'Got Brexit Done' Johnson!

I'm sure it's all worth it.

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It’s happening all over, it’s not just the UK.

Also, can you go one post in here without having to shoehorn Brexit into it??
 
Inflation set to top 7%
Interest rates rising
Taxes rising
Domestic energy prices to rise by 50%
GDP forecast slashed
Living standards falling
Overall tax burden on normal people at the highest level for 70 years
Food bank usage in the UK now at unprecedented levels

All hail the party of economic competence! All hail Boris 'Got Brexit Done' Johnson!

I'm sure it's all worth it.

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Yawn and it would be different would it if Labour had been in charge.

Well the lockdowns you wanted may have a lot to do with it. You know the amount of money spent on furlough. Bailing out all the businesses. All the extra costs. But suppose Brexit is easier to blame.

And very soon all the people that still want country locked down at moment will be moaning how dear everything is.

Was the cost of the shambles of lockdowns the way they were done in this country worth it. By looking at things to come I would say no.
 
Inflation set to top 7%
Interest rates rising
Taxes rising
Domestic energy prices to rise by 50%
GDP forecast slashed
Living standards falling
Overall tax burden on normal people at the highest level for 70 years
Food bank usage in the UK now at unprecedented levels

All hail the party of economic competence! All hail Boris 'Got Brexit Done' Johnson!

I'm sure it's all worth it.
Inflation - hardly the govts fault. Covid, transport issues, worldwide shortages or labour etc. and high fuel prices.
Interest rates up - yes, an inevitable consequence of inflation, still piddling compared to the average rate for the 3 decades up to 2008.
Taxes rising - yep, we all want better social care, it comes at a cost, most people always maintained they would be happy to pay more for better treatment of the elderly etc. Now you got it.
Domestic Energy prices- same the world over unless you produce 100% of your own requirement of fossil fuels, I cannot see how the govt. can make things cheaper on that front. We could always produce more from older and new North Sea fields but Grizzling Greta and Holyrood have spurned it.
GDP Forecast slashed - still growth, but not as much, same as most other of the 20 leading economies.
Living Standards falling - yes, less income, less purchasing power and more to be spent on energy.
Tax burden - more expenditure as wanted by the voters, so more taxes, plus the COVID debts to be paid. Inevitable.
Food Bank Usage - raise the number of food banks by 25% overnight, their use will rise by 25%. I accept that alas many people genuinely need them, but they do get used an awful lot too by people who walk up smoking L&B's at £11 a pack of 20. Go see for yourself.

So your mate Starmer's solution to all this would be.....?
 
Speaking of which, and this could go in the Covid, Brexit or this thread, but at this point they've all merged into one phantasm anyway so what's the difference, here we have a brief overview on the Cons' Covid Cash Calamitous Cock-ups, as audited by The Daily Mail.

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Well may as well not have bothered to do anyhing about Covid then and let the polulation crack on with it as they see fit. That would have made us prosperous and saved at least £32.9bn

Damned in they do, damned if they don't springs to mind.

Somebody was always going to pay the price of this pandamic. Nothing is free in life.
 
Well may as well not have bothered to do anyhing about Covid then and let the polulation crack on with it as they see fit. That would have made us prosperous and saved at least £32.9bn

Damned in they do, damned if they don't springs to mind.

Somebody was always going to pay the price of this pandamic. Nothing is free in life.
I don't think anyone expected nothing to have been done, seemingly it's that extreme 'way' of debating that makes these threads so constructive.

But short of outright praising the Government for how they allocated the money, on glorified portaloos like Nightingale hospitals, dreaming up 'Eat out to help out' schemes that floundered spectacularly, furloughing the nation up to the eyeballs whilst small businesses were going under left right & centre, and Tory contract cronyism in regards to profiteering off the crisis, I'd love to know how that £32 Billion wasn't wasted, irrespective of which party of goons was in power.

I'm all ears
 
It is the job of the opposition to hold Government to account. The same opposition that was all in favour of the furlough scheme and opposed the scrapping of it. And it is not that the furlough scheme was something unique to this Country. Many others implemented similar to support those that were not able to work.

As to the "eat out to help out", well that depends which reports you read as they are very mixed in terms of results and benefits.
 
Im afraid you need to wake up to whats going on my friends @interlog and @ChopleyIOM.

These are leaders of countries wasting money.

Fail, after fail, after fail.

Its not the oppositions responsibility to hold the government to account. Red or blue, Brexit or not, they are all unfit and the system is, for want of a better description, though its the most appropriate word - fu@%^d

It's the population that hold governments to account. It's the population they have to answer to.

This is not some school kid who spent a few hundred quid on his parents debit card on Fortnite. These are supposedly the most intelligent, industrious and educated people in the land, leading the country and making decisions.

Personally think you are both in fairyland, completely out of touch with reality and sucked into the division.

p.s. sorry, couldn't think of a nicer way to put it. I really don't mean to be rude :)
 
Of course it is the job of the opposition to hold the Government to account. That is the way the system work.

Now you may not agree with the system, pretty clearly, so what is the alternative?

A different system, not keep voting in the same powers that be. They are not separate entities, it's an illusion, call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish to diminish the argument.

My new hick town of Honiton is paying £10,000 to clean a war memorial. All in favour of cleaning but I know how much these things cost. This is just at a grassroots level, and it spirals upwards through to bigger amounts of backhanders and lining of pockets so they can lead a cushy life whilst the peasants suffer.

NHS is being run into the ground deliberately through red tape and failing systems to push private healthcare. Overspending in areas we don't need and paying friends of the inner circle to do jobs they have zero experience or knowledge about.

The system is corrupt and to keep voting for it is not voting for change. Tell me a party that has fulfilled 10% of their pledges during elections in the last god knows how long. Yet, you keep voting them in.

Make small changes at local level, don't get sucked into the con and make your voice heard, stand up and be counted, sometimes you have to make a stand.
 
No matter what system you use, whether that be first past the post or proportional representation you put your trust in the ones that you vote for. Coalition Governments don't always work, look at the mess the Dutch are in as an example.

The bigger an organisation (a big Company) or structure (Government) the more layers of bureacracy which in turn drives cost.

I rather have the NHS, including all of their faults, then what our American friends have. I think that we are one of the few countries in the world that has true free health care, certainly compared to say the Netherlands where there is compulsory health insurance.
 
Yes I agree our system is better than some and we have a good standard of living, which has to count for something.

I just wonder when the bubble over increasing spending will burst and what the consequences will be. I don't think the NHS will be around for our children. Hopefully, im wrong.

Please excuse my previous posts, although I stand by my views, I could have put them forward in a less confrontational manner, like yourself.

I don't have the answers, and a democratic system is the only way. Just not sure that ours is clean enough for it to work. I don't believe bigger organisations need the in-depth structures and red tape that we have. Sometimes, to dig a hole, you don't need anything but a spade. Not several consultations about how big or how deep, followed by reviews and alternative watchdogs, and further organisation to watch over the watchdogs. That's where all the money is going.

Simple plans and direct routes are the most effective. We have far too much red tape to do a job efficiently and as cost-effective as it can be. Need to put the brakes on and assess where it's all going, and cut out the middle men and box tickers.
 
A few replies so I'll try and address them all in a single post.

First off, if your defence is even remotely into the realms of 'It would have been worse under Labour' then please give your head a wobble, 'There's a parallel dimension that doesn't exist, that I just made up in my head, that I have decided would be worse than the one we're actually in, so therefore helping put the Tories into power was still the right thing to do' isn't a great debating position, y'know?

As to what Labour would have done differently, a couple of concrete examples, they've already said that they would have left the £20 uplift to Universal Credit in place (the Tories scrapped it, of course), which would have put £1000 more per year in the pockets of the the least well-off. They've also said they'd impose a Windfall Tax of several billion pounds on the energy companies (that are making out like bandits at the moment) and use that to reduce energy bills. They were also opposed to the wholesale winding down of the UK's gas storage facilities, which has left the country particularly vulnerable to energy price spikes.

Energy bills in the UK are going up 54%, you know how much they're going up in France? 5%. (And yes I'm aware France has more nuclear power than us, and other EU countries are seeing similar rises to the UK, but they're doing more to help their populations cope with the rises.)

As for Brexit, it's relevant because it's a massive drag on the UK's recovery, the long term hit to UK GDP from Brexit is expected to be around 4%, and ultimately will eclipse the economic damage caused by Covid. I thought the point of Brexit was the UK would be free to act dynamically on the world stage and avoid being mired in EU bureaucracy, so why all of a sudden is the defence of the UK's situation 'Oh well it's like that everywhere, nothing we can do about it'?

Also as goatwack's graphic illustrates above, there has been fraud and waste on an industrial scale under this Tory government, with tens of billions of pounds being spunked away, far more than the tax rise coming in April will raise. (A tax rise that Labour are opposed to.)

(As a fellow subscriber to Private Eye dunover will be well versed in how the British taxpayer has enriched the Tories and their mates throughout the pandemic with dodgy PPE contracts and suchlike, as part of their 'Profits Of Doom' series.)

The Johnson government is an absolute bin fire, the man himself is one of the worst Prime Ministers the UK has ever had, and his government is comprised of lightweights and incompetents, chosen for their nodding dog loyalty rather than any actual ability, when someone like Nadine Dorries is elevated to a ministerial position, a women possessed of the intellectual reasoning of a brain-damaged guinea pig, you know the game is up. I mean, fucking hell, the shit Diane Abbott used to get for relatively trivial screw-ups compared to what Dorries manages on near daily basis, and lest we forget, she thought her job as an MP was so important that she fucked off onto I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here for £40K for a month - and Johnson is like, yeah, she can be Culture Secretary, it's a sick joke at the expense of the British people.

Every day we get some bluff and bluster about 'levelling up' and some bullshit new initiative (with no new money) about fixing things that are deemed to be wrong, and I'm just like, fuck me folks, you've been in power for twelve years, anything that's shit at the moment is totally on you.

A terrible Prime Minister at the head of a terrible government, and the price is paid by the whole country.
 
It looks like we will have to pay the price of bailing out the banks years ago because due to quantitive easing being linked to interest rate we tax payers will have to foot a 100 Billion bill. And those bankers have probably retired now to their villa's in Tuscany

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If ever there was a journo whose name was apt for this prophetic doom piece, then that'd be Jeremy Warner. Don't say you've not been warned!

Or at least I think so, can't really tell from your link as it's paywalled behind the Telegraph's money- grubbing subscription model.

So for all we know you could be lying. In fact, yes, you're a liar and clickbaiter. Good day to you sir.
 
If ever there was a journo whose name was apt for this prophetic doom piece, then that'd be Jeremy Warner. Don't say you've not been warned!

Or at least I think so, can't really tell from your link as it's paywalled behind the Telegraph's money- grubbing subscription model.

So for all we know you could be lying. In fact, yes, you're a liar and clickbaiter. Good day to you sir.
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Not good news, but it is hard to understand govt finances:




Central government current (or day-to-day) expenditure was £73.2 billion in February 2022, £1.0 billion more than in February 2021, of which debt interest payments were £8.2 billion, an increase of £2.8 billion.

Yep, the COVID chickens will come home to roost soon.
 
Yep, the COVID chickens will come home to roost soon.
While the chickens that are COVID-free won't be coming home to roast, because nobody will be able to afford to buy them.

And on that note, time for me to hastily exit this thread before Choppers turns up with a post that is longer than Wembley and causes my bollocks to ache.....
 
Not sure from that tweet that it means we are paying 8 billion interest per month or just February, if so we definitely cannot afford a labour govt, and why bother as boris's is already doing a good impression of one.
That's for the month :eek:

It's a record February.....and around £317 Billion last year
 
Not sure from that tweet that it means we are paying 8 billion interest per month or just February, if so we definitely cannot afford a labour govt, and why bother as boris's is already doing a good impression of one.

Concluding that we can't afford a Labour government after twelve years of Tory rule which has seen the economy flushed down the toilet is quite the mental leap mack!

Yes they've had Covid to contend with but so has the rest of the world, Labour had the global financial crash to contend with on its watch, so yeah, shit happens.

Twelve years of Tory rule and the highest tax burden in seventy years, better keep those tax-raising Lefties out!
 
Not sure from that tweet that it means we are paying 8 billion interest per month or just February, if so we definitely cannot afford a labour govt, and why bother as boris's is already doing a good impression of one.
Quite right.

What I mean is.....how the fuck can we be expected to trust them to manage the economy, when we can't even rely on them to manage
to give a clear definition of what a woman actually is?

Questioner: What is a woman?
Labour MP/member of Shadow Cabinet: Uhm.....uh.....mmm......hhmmm......uhhh......rabbit holes.....not going down them blasted things.....blah blah blah
......hey nonny no.....large bowl of porridge.....uhm.....sigh.....well the thing we need to ascertain blah blah blah.....

Question: WHAT IS A WOMAN?!?!
Labour MP/member of Shadow Cabinet: Is "not a man" an acceptable answer?

Questioner: You mean in the same way that an acceptable definition of a dog is "not a cat"?
Labour MP/member of Shadow Cabinet: Yes

Questioner: No. It's not even close to an acceptable answer. You complete fucking idiot.
Labour MP/member of Shadow Cabinet: That is racist, transphobic and mysogynistic. You ooze toxic masculinity.
Questioner: I am a woman. Good grief, I feel sorry for you. Go away. You are lowering my IQ just by sitting in the same room as me.

Honestly, democracy has just become so overrated now, it's actually beyond tragic.
Democracy = The right to vote for the least idiotic or one out of a group of people who are even more idiotic than the least idiotic candidate.
No wonder people can't be arsed to vote anymore.
 
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Quite right.

What I mean is.....how the fuck can we be expected to trust them to manage the economy, when we can't even rely on them to manage
to give a clear definition of what a woman actually is?

Questioner: What is a woman?
Labour MP/member of Shadow Cabinet: Uhm.....uh.....mmm......hhmmm......uhhh......rabbit holes.....not going down them blasted things.....blah blah blah
......hey nonny no.....large bowl of porridge.....uhm.....sigh.....well the thing we need to ascertain blah blah blah.....

Question: WHAT IS A WOMAN?!?!
Labour MP/member of Shadow Cabinet: Is "not a man" an acceptable answer?

Questioner: You mean in the same way that an acceptable definition of a dog is "not a cat"?
Labour MP/member of Shadow Cabinet: Yes

Questioner: No. It's not even close to an acceptable answer. You complete fucking idiot.
Labour MP/member of Shadow Cabinet: That is racist, transphobic and mysogynistic. You ooze toxic masculinity.
Questioner: I am a woman. Good grief, I feel sorry for you. Go away. You are lowering my IQ just by sitting in the same room as me.

Honestly, democracy has just become so overrated now, it's actually beyond tragic.
Democracy = The right to vote for the least idiotic or one out of a group of people who are even more idiotic than the least idiotic candidate.
No wonder people can't be arsed to vote anymore.
Absolutely, tying themselves in knots over biological fact. The retardery is just overwhelming. But also the tories piss me off with their smug routine, the mail had a clip of sunak saying something about his budget, and boris besides himself in joy, patting sunak on the chest to congratulate him, they live increasingly in their own little world, detached from reality.
 
I don't think the vague answers given are beholden to any one party, though seemingly Labour MPs tend to be asked it more as of late. Perhaps to showcase how out of touch they are with their party ideals, and how little their messaging resonates with *normal* working families.

Many a politician's been grilled as to what a woman is, and all have strategically swerved the answer, because they fear being cancelled for speaking the truth, because of a militant, hateful Trans lobby that seek to erase women's rights. Calling them out for their delusions and absurdities is a one-way ticket to P45-ville. And yet, ask any one of these MPs off-camera and of course they'd tell you.

Furthermore, trans women competing in women's sports is scandalous, they possess male attributes that give them an unfair advantage, it doesn't change biology. Just as if I was to wear a dress and press it down in blustery conditions doesn't make me Marylin Monroe.

Also: here's Rishi Sunak filling up an employee's Kia Rio, beaming at his 5p cut in fuel prices


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And here he is just before he attempts to pay for his goods, wildly flailing his contactless card at a BARCODE :laugh:

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Not UK but interesting if this goes wider, I'm all for protecting the environment [rather than carbon obsessed] but not if it simply means the cost of everything goes up, eg. cars become only for the wealthy, or average people are encouraged to eat [low carbon footprint] insect protein while more fortunate others continue to fine dine.

 
Imagine repairing something instead of buying new, or even worse, eating something that is not meat every once in a while,in what sort of hellhole communist country would anyone do something like that.
*Trembling with right wing anger*

Some random guy from USA probably dont see the same value in keeping Nature&Water clean in Scandinavian countries as someone living here does.
Or maybe he has some other reason why hes not a fan things being a bit more green. ;)
And i mean other than thinking the 'great reset' is coming for us.

"His close financial and organizational ties to tobacco and oil companies have been the subject of criticism"

Oh..well if a lobbyist for the oil industry says so i guess i better light up another cigar and swap my car for a tank so i can increase how much oil i use.
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Edit: He sort of looks a bit like an older more evil version of the guy that wears fancy suits and reviews fast food.
I bet its him from another timeline where instead of reviewing fast food he turned evil and started shilling for tobacco & oil industries.

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The repairing v buying is a bug bearer in general: if you can't do something yourself and ask to see how much it would be, the cost of buying new (whether it's because the cost of repairs is dearer now, or cost of buying new is cheaper, i Dunno), you're nearly better going new, even if you don't want to.

One of our side windows' wouldn't close, quote out, cheapest to fix 220 (wtf)....quote for new one 300 or something. I don't even know how that works.

Washing machine was the same: only about 40 quid in it.

Probably a third reason - repair places (or Co's offering them) are taking the piss
 
The repairing v buying is a bug bearer in general: if you can't do something yourself and ask to see how much it would be, the cost of buying new (whether it's because the cost of repairs is dearer now, or cost of buying new is cheaper, i Dunno), you're nearly better going new, even if you don't want to.

One of our side windows' wouldn't close, quote out, cheapest to fix 220 (wtf)....quote for new one 300 or something. I don't even know how that works.

Washing machine was the same: only about 40 quid in it.

Probably a third reason - repair places (or Co's offering them) are taking the piss
That is by design im guessing.
Cant have people using the same stuff for years without buying new things.
If you could fix your whatever for 10% of what buying new would cost you, nobody would buy new, but if its only slightly cheaper to repair instead of buying new of course nobody will fix stuff.

For some things its not necessarily a bad thing to buy new, newer freezers, fridges, cars etc are usually alot more cost&energy efficient.
But buying a new iphone every 6 months is not really something anyone needs.
Fine for the first 3-4 years when things actually changed, but buying a new iphone now changes pretty much nothing from the previous version.
'Heres a tiny bit better camera and a little more storage space that you cant replace and if anything breaks you cant repair it yourself, that will be €1300'
 
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Don't think there's anything harmful with it though, but it is strange that i can now heat up my beans just by using my eyes.
Nothing strange about it, Comrade Pinnit.
Its a way of heating food that has been lost to time, when Big Oven and Big microwave entered the market they made sure it went out of style.
The food is actually being heated by the warm glow emanating from the eyes of someone rejecting capitalism and embracing socialism.
Commie-eyes the Americans call it.
 
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Apple do that, or just tank the battery in them?:)

My microwave door has been falling off for the last 2 years and the inside of it appears to have been cooked.

Don't think there's anything harmful with it though, but it is strange that i can now heat up my beans just by using my eyes.
Be nice to the Swedes, they cut down millions of trees every year so the UK can wipe their arses on soft bog roll.
 
Be nice to the Swedes, they cut down millions of trees every year so the UK can wipe their arses on soft bog roll.
I hear since brexit UK is down to 3-ply toilet paper.
Meanwhile here in communist Sweden its scented 5-ply toilet paper thats so soft and absorbent you can just hold it in the vicinity of your chocolate starfish and in seconds eveything will be sparkling clean and smell of roses or meatballs depending on what scent you prefer on your tp.



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Didn't think he'd actually quit, did we? that would surely require some form of accountability!

He's made himself unsackable with his Churchillian antics, and now we know why he's been running around like a man possessed. Any other time you'd think he'd be a goner....

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