General Election 2019 thread

[mack341]

Why do the press fawn over this guy, using staged photos, just take your tracksuits and flip flops and go away. It's the same old crap headlines, where duty is shuffled around on a variety of beverages, although modern politics is enough to drive you to drink so I suppose it is relevant.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Why do the press fawn over this guy, using staged photos, just take your tracksuits and flip flops and go away. It's the same old crap headlines, where duty is shuffled around on a variety of beverages, although modern politics is enough to drive you to drink so I suppose it is relevant.

They can't even get the staged photo-op right.....

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What a couple of uneducated, clueless twerps! You are holding 30L kegs, that are NOT eligible for any of the tax relief that you have announced! You are simply on a mission to cut taxes for global, national and regional brewers - and pubcos! Many small, independent breweries package their beer in 30 litre and 20 litre kegs. In fact, probably all of the small, craft brewers adopt this method. Therefore , under the 40L threshold announce, it disqualifies them from the cut!

Also, well done for promoting a brewery owned by the Australian global beverage company, Lion! So furkin predictable. Pathetic…

 

[goatwack]

What a budget. What a guy.

Trouserless Sprite- drinking Rishy's really pulled it out of the bag, finagling everyone to within an inch of their lives!

I thought it a masterstroke when the Minimum Wage increase was leaked prior to its official announcement. Can't criticize someone that helps those on low incomes.

A particular favourite of mine was the 88p hike on cigarettes, I mean why not pay £13+ for smokes!

This budget's like an evil version of The Price Is Right, where everything is higher.

So in a nutshell, anti- austerity, spend spend borrow spend, low- to middle- income families screwed, mortgages unviable (and good luck to those on variable rates), pensioners left to sit by the road like lepers......there's much, much more but why spoil the surprise.

Let's hear it for Rishy! Huzzah!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Rishi Sunak explains how the government will be helping 'level up' places like the 'world famous Burnley market', the only slight problem is that he was in Bury when he said it. Still, they're both up North and they both start with 'B' so good enough for the Chancellor Of The Exchequer I suppose.

But wasn't Diane Abbot funny when she got things wrong and everyone piled onto her!

 

[mack341]

Rishi Sunak explains how the government will be helping 'level up' places like the 'world famous Burnley market', the only slight problem is that he was in Bury when he said it. Still, they're both up North and they both start with 'B' so good enough for the Chancellor Of The Exchequer I suppose.

But wasn't Diane Abbot funny when she got things wrong and everyone piled onto her!

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Say what you want about the lamonts, lawsons and ken clarkes of yesteryear, but they wouldn't make this kind of general knowledge error regarding the country they govern; this Sunak guy is part of a new pr obsessed breed, distant from reality, living in a whitehall/downing street bubble. That said his deficiencies are not remotely close to Diane Abbot's

 

[goatwack]

Any politician has the capacity to make themselves look foolish, equal to their peers, at any given moment. The MPs that aren't detached from everyday folk and their problems numbers few.

Yet relatively speaking, I'd find the current state of the women in the Labour party to be woeful, as they seem to revel in outright hostility, lack of professionalism and a need to project, rather than relate or empathize.

Of those, Diane Abbot's proven to be among the most unlikeable they've ever had, to the point where her deeds and rhetoric over the years are just plain indefensible, without listing them all

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A good analysis of how Sunak has given big multinational brewers a sneaky tax cut (which in essence, of course, is paid for by Mr and Mrs Average Joe Taxpayer) with his change on beer duty, which won't be passed onto customers, and will shaft smaller independent brewers.

 

[Kroffe]

Trump should hire that guy.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The thing is Kroffe sometimes a detailed explanation is required to get to the truth of the matter, and Sunak has essentially tried to deceive everyone with what he announced in his budget on beer duty (and which was slavishly reported by the right wing press without question or critical analysis).

 

[goatwack]

Got to hand it to Boris - he's had a terrific run. But I guess this time the bluster and bravado just ain't gonna cut it!

I think by and large he'd been given rather a lot of leeway in regards to his buffoonery, as this was part of his 'charm'. Turns out though that the Sleaze-O-Meter's at near breaking point however, so much so that emergency debates are being held to account for Boris and his Dream Team's spectacular failings.

Attended by none other than Boris himself......oh no...wait.......he can't make it as he's holed up in the North East. And yet still could make the trip should he choose to!

But then why would he? So drenched in sleaze is his governance that even Labour have regained lost ground, with Keir Starmer gaining traction, whilst Boris sits at his lowest ebb since taking office. I'd be surprised if heads don't roll and Boris is still careering this wreck a year from now...

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[geordiecolin]

Got to hand it to Boris - he's had a terrific run. But I guess this time the bluster and bravado just ain't gonna cut it!

I think by and large he'd been given rather a lot of leeway in regards to his buffoonery, as this was part of his 'charm'. Turns out though that the Sleaze-O-Meter's at near breaking point however, so much so that emergency debates are being held to account for Boris and his Dream Team's spectacular failings.

Attended by none other than Boris himself......oh no...wait.......he can't make it as he's holed up in the North East. And yet still could make the trip should he choose to!

But then why would he? So drenched in sleaze is his governance that even Labour have regained lost ground, with Keir Starmer gaining traction, whilst Boris sits at his lowest ebb since taking office. I'd be surprised if heads don't roll and Boris is still careering this wreck a year from now...

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Meh. Mrs Patel across the road told me just there that Boris was at my door hoping for a quick cuppa and a sly spliff from my cousin but I had been out to pick up a bag of coal

 

[mack341]

He must be doing badly even john major felt able to lecture him on sleaze, yep the 'going back to basics' guy who use to roger one of his cabinet ministers!

 

[geordiecolin]

He must be doing badly even john major felt able to lecture him on sleaze, yep the 'going back to basics' guy who use to roger one of his cabinet ministers!

Edwina just misunderstood the word Mandate

 

[mack341]

just an additional thought came to mind, the covid headlines no longer seem to have boris rushing to the lectern, is that pissing off the media? Because scandals have been going on all year and not had the tories in difficulty, on the other hand a weakened boris will find it tougher going to bring in french/italian style Vax discrimination and segregation measures, so there is that.

 

[goatwack]

Even if there was a snap Election next month and Starmer got in, all you'd find is the same methods being implemented. 6-month Covid emergency powers on a loop, probable 'Papers please' mandates & a load of furious MPs doing not a lot about anything

 

[dunover]

He must be doing badly even john major felt able to lecture him on sleaze, yep the 'going back to basics' guy who use to roger one of his cabinet ministers!

We need to bring back Jeffrey Archer and Jonathan Aitken to raise the standards in government. ASAP.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

SHOCK NEWS - Pathological liar and cheat turns out to still be a pathological liar and cheat even when elevated to the highest office in the land.

On the plus side, at least he 'got Brexit done', apart from all the bits we're still arguing with the EU about and will be for decades to come, and every single one of his 'promises' on that of course turned out to be a total lie.

He's a good gameshow host and participant (I used to enjoy his appearances on Have I Got News For You back in the day), but Prime Minister of the United Kingdom? Fucking hell, what a shitshow.

 

[mack341]

Looking at the alternatives, gove/ jeremy hunt or starmer and labour, the party with a female mp recently found guilty of threatening to attack someone with acid, boris is still safe but if he were a cat he's probably used five of his nine lives.

 

[goatwack]

Still not sure how Claudia Webbe actually got away with that verdict, hopefully they'll vote to fling her out of Parliament.

And therein lies the problem with the Tories, insofar that Doris is almost assured to remain in power as the opposition is lamentable at present.

Were Labour not such a calamity, and actually threatened to displace the Conservatives, then Boris might already be on gardening leave. As it stands, Boris will do whatever Boris wants until even he manages to tie himself in knots, could be a while yet, maybe going into Q1 2023

 

[mcgameboy]

Looking at the alternatives, gove/ jeremy hunt or starmer and labour, the party with a female mp recently found guilty of threatening to attack someone with acid, boris is still safe but if he were a cat he's probably used five of his nine lives.

Let's not forget the other shortcomings of Labour that Chops never wants to mention, like the rampant anti-Semitism.
Or the fact that they didn't have the balls to pin their colours to the mast re: Brexit, a decision that clearly cost them dear at the 2019 GE.

Or the fact that they continue to focus on issues that the UK electorate do not consider to be a priority, like race baiting, race hustling, gender/identity politics and revenge porn.

It is quite telling that the only things that Labour can come up with is Angela Grainer calling Tories scum,
while Dawn Muttler and Diane Flabbott constantly drone on about how racist we all are, all because we didn't vote for a white guy
who dresses like a fucking Geography teacher.

How about coming up with a SOLUTION or becoming an actual VIABLE alternative to the Tories? To which Labour said....

"Oh no! We can't possibly be going around doing things like that!
The UK electorate might actually think we have stumbled upon some level of competence for the first time since....uhm...
when WAS the last time we were competent again?!?!?
Best just wait around until the Tories score one own goal too many and then we will pounce."

And then they somehow find a way to fuck that up too.

Fucking hell, what a shitshow.

Yeah I must admit, I have to agree with you.

Labour really are one fucking hell of a shitshow.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Johnson in very impressive form today.

Something something Diane Abbott.

 

[goatwack]

Yes, it was a powerful speech alright, beating his D.U.D.E debut

- and possibly even his Kermit skit

This time we were merely left with 'Daddy Pig' being a bit stereotyped, apparently.

Nothing however will beat this bit of biblical bluster:

...by suggesting he had descended from 'Mount Sinai' to hand civil servants his 10-point plan for achieving Net Zero by 2050

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The man is a national embarrassment, utterly shambolic, unserious, unfocused, lazy, and completely disrespected both at home and abroad.

If a Labour PM did a fraction of the shit that Johnson gets up to, they'd be absolutely ripped to shreds.

Sure, Starmer might be a bit boring, but can anyone, with an even remotely straight face, suggest he'd do a worse job than Johnson?

 

[cncas2123]

The man is a national embarrassment, utterly shambolic, unserious, unfocused, lazy, and completely disrespected both at home and abroad.

If a Labour PM did a fraction of the shit that Johnson gets up to, they'd be absolutely ripped to shreds.

Sure, Starmer might be a bit boring, but can anyone, with an even remotely straight face, suggest he'd do a worse job than Johnson?

But this is the thing, the public has completely lost confidence in Labour after the Corbyn years. The in fighting thats still going on between the far left and the rest of the party is still getting in the way of Labour being an electable party, thus Boris basically has free reign until the 1922 committee get bored with him and get the knives out.
I have only ever voted once in 36 years ( since I was able to vote at age 18) and thats because NI politics is squabbling brats who wave the flags relevant to their community and dont need to have any policy, and to me politics in GB is going exactly the same route re policy, neither major party has a coherent or clear policy and the mantra from both parties is " if you dont vote for us you will get them".
Sad state of affairs all round.

 

[dunover]

The man is a national embarrassment, utterly shambolic, unserious, unfocused, lazy, and completely disrespected both at home and abroad.

If a Labour PM did a fraction of the shit that Johnson gets up to, they'd be absolutely ripped to shreds.

Sure, Starmer might be a bit boring, but can anyone, with an even remotely straight face, suggest he'd do a worse job than Johnson?

Yes. ?

 

[goatwack]

The man is a national embarrassment, utterly shambolic, unserious, unfocused, lazy, and completely disrespected both at home and abroad.

If a Labour PM did a fraction of the shit that Johnson gets up to, they'd be absolutely ripped to shreds.

Sure, Starmer might be a bit boring, but can anyone, with an even remotely straight face, suggest he'd do a worse job than Johnson?

Starmer's undoubtedly more professional and has an actual air of ministerialness about him, certainly compared to Johnson. But then so do my slippers.

I'd wager the things that make Starmer nigh-on unelectable is his rabid poodle Rayner, his lack of discipline towards party members, his penchant for kneeling and most stunningly, swerving the question about whether only women have cervixes.

People know they're stuck with the Tories and Johnson not out of any love for them, but the knowledge that Labour's woketopian vision is about ten times more detrimental to whatever values the country clings to. A crucial component when trying to win votes of said country

 

[dunover]

Starmer addresses the Labour Policy Committee post-conference:

 

[jasonuk]

Sure, Starmer might be a bit boring, but can anyone, with an even remotely straight face, suggest he'd do a worse job than Johnson?

I'm not sure many would to be fair - Johnson has set the bar spectacularly low in recent months. I suspect my own MP would be on that shortlist though...

The problem with Starmer is he's going to be more of the same - many of the Labour problems during the Corbyn era can be traced back to him, or factions he was linked to. The horrendously misjudged second referendum strategy in 2019 was his baby, and others such as the botched chicken coups and repeated sabotage of the complaints handling processes (which later became the anti-Semitism scandal arc) were attempts to undermine Labour and/or Corbyn rather than focus on an increasingly fragile Theresa May leadership.

As we've seen since he took over, things haven't changed - he quickly abandoned a number of his leadership pledges (Social Justice, House of Lords reform, Public Ownership etc), he completely botched the EHCR report (paying off the so-called "whistle blowers" implicated with party funds, and instead used it as another smear on Corbyn) and has whipped to abstain on important legislation which is never a good look.

Corbyn may well have had the charisma of an old geography teacher, but after the near-miss in 2017 the Tories knew they had to kick up the gears - they couldn't out-do him on policies because they were mostly popular, they couldn't really challenge his voting record given their own was much worse, so they went straight for the smears and lies... many of which still persist today despite little to no grounding in reality.

While the faux-rhetoric of "far left vs Labour" continues to linger (rather than "Labour vs New Labour", which is still an unwelcome distraction), that divide and conquer strategy by the media is going to ensure a tory government (or one in a different coloured tie) for years to come sadly.

Perhaps this is another "brexit means brexit" - they knew exactly what they voted for, but no-one seems to be able to articulate what...

 

[mack341]

When I think of Labour this is basically what I see

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Remember when Boris Johnson promised that no one would have to sell their house to pay for their care in their old age, here's what they voted through the Commons last night.

So if you live in the North where houses are often worth around the £100K mark, you'll be completely wiped out, and if you live in the South, where house prices tend to be a lot higher, you'll be absolutely fine.

In essence, the poor will be subsidising the wealthy.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

When I think of Labour this is basically what I see

Crikey mack, did you actually watch Johnson's performance yesterday? It's just another version of dunover and his histrionic rants about taking back control of our farting, or mcgameboy's terribly amusing misspelling of Labour MPs' names - Diane Flabbott! LOL LOL LOL!

 

[pinnit2014]

When I think of Labour this is basically what I see

I'd considering voting for them if they were like that.

Only Joking - Queen Nic all the way, the socialist revolution is not quite finished here

 

[geordiecolin]

Remember when Boris Johnson promised that no one would have to sell their house to pay for their care in their old age, here's what they voted through the Commons last night.

So if you live in the North where houses are often worth around the £100K mark, you'll be completely wiped out, and if you live in the South, where house prices tend to be a lot higher, you'll be absolutely fine.

In essence, the poor will be subsidising the wealthy.

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That's just the figures for those who wear a mask but what are the figures for those fully jabbed and for the refuseniks?

 

[pinnit2014]

Remember when Boris Johnson promised that no one would have to sell their house to pay for their care in their old age, here's what they voted through the Commons last night.

So if you live in the North where houses are often worth around the £100K mark, you'll be completely wiped out, and if you live in the South, where house prices tend to be a lot higher, you'll be absolutely fine.

In essence, the poor will be subsidising the wealthy.

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100k in assets is poor? Think my mums wee bungalow in N Ireland is worth just over that, must remember to call her a pauper next time we talk.

On a broader note, not sure what it's like now as been a while since i was in and about it, you have the general issue of self funders subsidising the state funded - certainly, quite rightly, was a point of consternation amongst many (and no, not just those with right leanings)

Not advocating 'intentional depravation of assets' but keep an eye on the 'was it over 7 - or whatever they use now - years ago the house was transferred to the 18 year old grandkid for no reason

 

[geordiecolin]

100k in assets is poor? Think my mums wee bungalow in N Ireland is worth just over that, must remember to call her a pauper next time we talk.

On a broader note, not sure what it's like now as been a while since i was in and about it, you have the general issue of self funders subsidising the state funded - certainly, quite rightly, was a point of consternation amongst many (and no, not just those with right leanings)

Not advocating 'intentional depravation of assets' but keep an eye on the 'was it over 7 - or whatever they use now - years ago the house was transferred to the 18 year old grandkid for no reason

It is appearing lately that a lot of people are quite happy to become unemployed since the first lockdown. Especially in the service industries where working conditions and pressures deteriorated they realized that instead of working hard for very little financial reward they can get by ok without it.

 

[pinnit2014]

It is appearing lately that a lot of people are quite happy to become unemployed since the first lockdown. Especially in the service industries where working conditions and pressures deteriorated they realized that instead of working hard for very little financial reward they can get by ok without it.

Funny enough my pal, who is (Sound like Chandler's job from friends) i think something to do with video/sound editing, quit his job in the middle of if. He'd been quitting for about 5 years but i think the pandemic was the push for him to do it. I asked him about money and because of that job he basically picks up work here and there on a self-employed basis. Doesn't have as much spare cash now but seems happy as a pig in a trough.

What he lost in wages was partially offset by the savings in some of the childcare costs as well etc.

 

[mack341]

Crikey mack, did you actually watch Johnson's performance yesterday? It's just another version of dunover and his histrionic rants about taking back control of our farting, or mcgameboy's terribly amusing misspelling of Labour MPs' names - Diane Flabbott! LOL LOL LOL!

Just watched the bbc clip, not really what you expect in a speech to the cbi but that's Boris. Labour appointed a person like starmer because of a perceived lack of professionalism. (widely held imo)

 

[goatwack]

Oof.....looks like Boris's days are becoming numbered, with Rishi salivating in the wings.

Talk being of replacing his current advisors, though one wonders if the damage's already been done.

So not Brexit, Covid or rampant sleaze would mark the end, but seemingly incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig and THAT 20-second confused paper fumble

 

[dunover]

Oof.....looks like Boris's days are becoming numbered, with Rishi salivating in the wings.

Talk being of replacing his current advisors, though one wonders if the damage's already been done.

So not Brexit, Covid or rampant sleaze would mark the end, but seemingly incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig and THAT 20-second confused paper fumble

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Surprised he didn't say in that speech "I have the parse sheets here for the new Peppa Pig Megaways where you can spaff your money if you don't need a care home right now"

 

[mcgameboy]

Crikey mack, did you actually watch Johnson's performance yesterday? It's just another version of dunover and his histrionic rants about taking back control of our farting, or mcgameboy's terribly amusing misspelling of Labour MPs' names - Diane Flabbott! LOL LOL LOL!

Hey Chops, I can do the same with Tory MPs too, if it helps make you feel any better!

The problem is.....if I misspelled Jeremy Hunt's name, I might get banned.

What about Matt Wancock?

Boorish Johnson?

Gaycob Reeks Bogg? OK, maybe that's a bit much.....actually, no it isn't.

Pishi Sunak? Is that "safe"?
Probably not, because someone will just blindly assume that I think that all Asians smell of urine,
in much the same way that Jezza Clarkson thinks that all Mexicans are lazy....which would be racist!

 

[geordiecolin]

Oof.....looks like Boris's days are becoming numbered, with Rishi salivating in the wings.

Talk being of replacing his current advisors, though one wonders if the damage's already been done.

So not Brexit, Covid or rampant sleaze would mark the end, but seemingly incoherent ramblings about Peppa Pig and THAT 20-second confused paper fumble

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I suspect that Boris will not really care if he gets the boot. He has achieved his goal and there are countless riches to be earned and enjoyed while he is still relatively young enough to enjoy it.
My suspicion is that Priti Patel could be in the running

 

[goatwack]

I suspect that Boris will not really care if he gets the boot. He has achieved his goal and there are countless riches to be earned and enjoyed while he is still relatively young enough to enjoy it.
My suspicion is that Priti Patel could be in the running

That's the problem - you're always suspicious

 

[geordiecolin]

That's the problem - you're always suspicious

Better than the alternative

 

[geordiecolin]

Yes, it was a powerful speech alright, beating his D.U.D.E debut

- and possibly even his Kermit skit


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This time we were merely left with 'Daddy Pig' being a bit stereotyped, apparently.

Nothing however will beat this bit of biblical bluster:

...by suggesting he had descended from 'Mount Sinai' to hand civil servants his 10-point plan for achieving Net Zero by 2050


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I just had a pop up from YT suggesting I may like this

 

[mack341]

What's Boris doing dressing up as a policemen, does he don a postman's outfit or fishermen's garb when meeting them, reminds me of mr ben and his outfits. He and the tory cabinet are going to end up being remembered for gimmick photo shoots more than anything at this rate, although boris dressed up as santa claus may be a stunt too far even for the tory pr advisers.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

No idea what you're talking about mack, he looked fantastic!

The Prime Minister of the UK, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[dunover]

No idea what you're talking about mack, he looked fantastic!

The Prime Minister of the UK, ladies and gentlemen.

Was he being arrested for impersonating a Prime Minister Police Officer?

 

[geordiecolin]

No idea what you're talking about mack, he looked fantastic!

The Prime Minister of the UK, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[mack341]

It took me a minute

I still hope he'll come good (perhaps not the best phrase for bonking boris!), so far, compared to lots of europe, he's held back on the vax passes for domestic use, so maybe there is some hope for restraint in this area.

 

[ladyhawke]

I wish everyone would give Boris a break. It isn't easy being the Prime Minister of any country during this particular period in time, what with Brexit and COVID-19.

Seriously. Would any of you fare any better if in the same position of power?

Do you really think it is easy for Alexander Boris de fufflewuffle extraordinaire Pfeffel Johnson to be so dishevelled, boorish, unfocused, and divorced from reality, the sole occupant of his own ideological void?

Of course, there could be a reasonable explanation for his strange behaviour, in that he could have found "the realities of leadership to be far more arduous and unpleasant than he expected".

IMHO, I believe he means well, but he is too self-absorbed and too much of a lightweight for the position he is in. And his misguided attempt at humour in inappropriate situations does him no favours either. Just makes him seem even more boorish and incompetent.