Gambling Log

aka23

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I heard back from Montana about my Palace of Change dispute again:

"Dear #,

Final findings have been sent to the operator. This is the operators opportunity to respond against our ruling, or to resolve this claim internally.

Thank you,
The Player Dispute Team"

That sounds promising. However, I suspect its going to drag out for a while.
 

aka23

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Jun 11, 2006
Location
Planet Earth
Good news from GoldBetting as well. A month ago or so I deposited $250 at GoldBetting and received a $500 bonus. On the surface, this sounded like a good offer with fair wagering. However, it is quite obvious that the Wager21 SW cheats. Last time I played at Wager21 bonus, I came out slightly ahead after receiveing the bonus, in spite of the SW. The casino never replied to my screenshots and explanation of the odds of the screenshots happening randomly.

This time I did much worse, winning almost no hands in Pai Gow. I tried to win my money back in baccarat, and was successfull to a good extent. After playing baccarat the cashier secton showing how much I had left to wager disappeared. I wasn't sure what this meant, and I didn't want to risk playing through the bonus until I had an explanation and receievd confirmation that I would receive the bonus after completing the playthrough. Wager21 did not reply to my emails. Most were returned as undeliverable. There is no live chat or phone support. After a couple weeks, I decided to cash out and take them $60 loss without meeting the playthrough. I was suprirsed to see that my bonus remained after the cashout (without completing playthrough) and I had converted most of the bonus to cash. I cashed out the full cash portion and converted the rest to cash by playing through 1x and cashing out each win. I went from an expected loss of -$60 to a gain of +$350.

While I did come out ahead, I'd urge others to be extremly cautions of the Wager21 group. The SW almost certainly cheats; it is extremely difficult to reach support; and they use Direct Net Pay for withdrawls(no Neteller), which is one of the worst payment services I have ever experienced.
 
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aka23

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Jun 11, 2006
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Planet Earth
I'm up to a net gain of about $27,000 now. My gain loss list is below. Comments indicate changes during the month of October.

Gains of $500 or greater
1. King Neptune's: +~$3000 (Increase)
2. Jupiter Club: +$1950 (Increase)
3. Winward: +~$1750 (Estimate)
4. Casino.net: +~$1500 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
5. 888.com: +$1160 (Increase, US Players Banned)
6. Bella Vegas: +$1075 (Increase)
7. CasinoShare: +$825 (Increase)
8. Shark Casino: +$820
9. Palace of Chance: +$800 (Estimate)
10. Sun Vegas: +$775 (Increase)
11. Venetian (B&M Casino): +$750
11. USA Casino: +$750
11. Casino Euro: +$750 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
14. Intercasino: +$700 (Decrease?!, US Players Banned)
15. Maple: +~$700 (New)
16. Casino Vega: +$660
17. Golden Rivera: +$600
18. Powerbet: +$600
19. Golden Reef: +$550 (Increase)
20. Nine.com: +$530
21. Littlewoods: +$510 (US Players Banned)

Losses of $100 or greater
1. Virtual Casino -$400 (New)
2. Slots Royale: -$350
3. Connecto: -$300
4. Luck N Roll: -$250
5. Villento: -$200 (Decreased, Smaller Loss)
6. Online Casino: -$190
7. Cinema Casino: -$150 (Decreased, Smaller Loss)
8. Crazy Vegas: -$125 (Increased, Larger Loss)
9. Omni Casino: -$100
9. Kiwi Casino: -$100
9. Casino US: -$100
9. Player's Club (Boss): -$100 (New)
 
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jerrylee

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Oct 12, 2006
Location
Playa del Vaquero (I wish)
aka23, interesting records you have there.

Did you actually bet the whole or half your bankroll in some of them, as some players advise?

Also, what kind of bankroll are you working with to drum up $3000 gains at Neptune for example.
It would be nice to know more about the strategies/games you played for the various bigger wins.

Did you stick with aggressive play on sticky and MG clearplays?

So far, in my own limited experience with a mini bankroll, in 7 weeks at 10 casinos (some 3-4 hour a day sessions), I've gained twice at Live BJ, once at 2 Playtechs, once at 2 Cryptos, but lost my deposits 4/4 times at MGs. This week I lost the deposit twice using aggressive wagers at Vegas Strip and Atlantic City single player BJ, basic strategy.

My best results to date were low stakes $1-10 multi hand and Live BJ @ a Playtech.

Looks like after some more practice, a visit to the local B&M is in order. Despite the popularity of MG with its playcheck feature and all ..I do get the feeling Playtech, Crypto or live are more legit than MG's RNG. Time will tell if my MG cold streak continues. I have to wonder why so many casinos have signed up with MicroGaming, could it be that the odds are more in the house's favour than the other software? God forbid the house edge is higher than the expected 0.5% BJ...
 
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aka23

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Jun 11, 2006
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Planet Earth
I bet half my bankroll on ACBJG on most of the Clearplays. I played in GBP at King Neptune's. There is a screenshot of my winning 400GBP ($750) bet on a hand of ACBJG in this thread. I also won with additional bonus offers and play without bonuses. I have come out ahead just about every time I've played at King Neptune's.

Those are interesting observations. My feelings on MG are reversed. I trust MG more than all other SW, and I have won far more with MG than all other SW. I have won significantly more half/full bankroll bets than expected.

As an affiliate, I can often look up the gains/losses of referred players. The results with referred players using the Jackpot Factory group are below. I chose Jackpot Factory because they have more detailed stats than other groups, not because of abnormal results.

Wild Jack: +$225 (expected = $80)
All Jackpots: +$175 (expected = $135)
All Slots: +$75 (expected = $75 or $105, depending on bonus)
First Web: +$50 (expected =$60)

All the results are reasonably close to expectations except for Wild Jack. I've had about 20 signups at Wild Jacks in the past two weeks, and the majority of those gained more than $200. I cannot explain why this occurred, as Wild Jack has the worst bonus of the four.

I can also look up game play with JF. At JF casinos, the most common strategy used by referred players was betting everything on a hand of Baccarat. Next most common was betting big on ACBJ. Some played through on FR without betting first. Others played Pontoon, slots, 3 card poker, or something unexpected.

Results with other casinos show similar results, in which there is a net player gain on Clearplay signup bonuses.
 
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aka23

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Jun 11, 2006
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Planet Earth
Cool Cat finally paid me today. It's been well over a month. They offered me a no playthrough bonus between 100-200%, depending on how much you deposit. I only deposited $50 and busted. Next they gave me a double your deposit, double your bonus offer. For me this was a 300% no playthrough bonus on a $100 deposit. I took the offer and cashed out with a decent gain. Two weeks went by, then I found my withdrawl was returned to my account. Support told me it was an error and to try again. Another two weeks went by, and again my withdrawl was returned to my account. Support told me the person processing withdrwals made a mistake about the playthrough and game restrictions, and I should try my withdrawl again. The third one finally went through. 300% with no playthrough is a great bonus, but its such a hassle to get paid from this group.
 

EasyRhino

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Joined
Sep 17, 2006
Location
San Diego
aka, few things:

a) Ironically, I've cashed out twice from coolcat now, and both were pretty prompt. The first was five business days, the second only one. Both were limited or zero-playthrough bonuses for fairly small dollar amounts, for what it's worth. Oh, and I did bust out on my (larger) signup bonus, so maybe they like me :)

b) How much of you recent winning are due to affiliate bonuses? It may not be completely "fair" to include those in your numbers, because an Average Joe such as myself can't really take advantage of those...

c) I honestly do think you've been a bit lucky through this whole escapade. I've only been bonus-hustlin' for a couple of months - and probably not as many hours as you - but I've hit up a lot of the juicy offers, and I'm only up - maybe - $2000. I tend to get demolished on lots of sticky bonuses. :)
 

aka23

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Planet Earth
aka, few things:

a) Ironically, I've cashed out twice from coolcat now, and both were pretty prompt. The first was five business days, the second only one. Both were limited or zero-playthrough bonuses for fairly small dollar amounts, for what it's worth. Oh, and I did bust out on my (larger) signup bonus, so maybe they like me :)
Given their history, you are one of the lucky ones. Knowing that you were consistently paid makes me more likely to try again.

b) How much of you recent winning are due to affiliate bonuses? It may not be completely "fair" to include those in your numbers, because an Average Joe such as myself can't really take advantage of those...
My net gain is up to about $28,500. With or without affiliate bonuses, the total is still ~$28,500. Affiliate bonuses are a minor contribution to my total because I had already played at almost all casinos that I list on the website where I am eligible to play, and most casinos pay affiliates by percentage of net casino win while my referred players usually have a net win over the casino.

c) I honestly do think you've been a bit lucky through this whole escapade. I've only been bonus-hustlin' for a couple of months - and probably not as many hours as you - but I've hit up a lot of the juicy offers, and I'm only up - maybe - $2000. I tend to get demolished on lots of sticky bonuses. :)
Yes, I no doubt have been lucky. There have been 3 extremely lucky events that greatly influenced my online gambling history. I've mentioned these before:

1. Winning $750 on the one spin I made on my final day at Vegas. This inspired me to begin online gambling.

2. Winning $1300? on my first bonus at casino.net. I deposited $800 for a $200 bonus, played $25 hands and used an incorrect strategy table (single deck instead of multi deck). I was very likely to bust, instead I more than doubled my $800 deposit. This inspired me to do more sign up bonuses and get more into online gambling.

3. Winning ~$1300 on my first giant bet Clearplay bonus. This was at King Neptune's. I have a picture of the BJ hand where I bet 400GBP = $750 on the top of the page at
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
. I won the rest while playing through on French Roulette.
 
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aka23

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Jun 11, 2006
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Planet Earth
I met my goal of finishing the month with a net gain of more than $30,000. That's an average gain of about $6,000 per month since I started gambling! My updated top gains and losses list is at the bottom of the page. Changes during the month of October are marked.

I've gone in depth about my wins and good decisions many times. I'll elaborate on my losses and bad decisions for a change this time. All of the top 6 losses relate to mistakes. If these losses were removed, I'd only have 4 losses of $100+ with the largest being $140. A summary is below:

#1: -$400 at Virtual. The sign up bonus I took had minimum deposit of $250. Most would consider risking $250 for a 100% no playthrough at a casino like Virtual a bad idea. However, I didn't stop there. I tried again on a second worse sign up bonus and busted again.

#2: -$350 at Slots Royale. A screenshot of my losing hand is attached. I bet my full balance of $175 and drew a pair of 8s against a 5. I deposited another $175 to split and drew another pair of 8s. That increased the bet to $475. Unfortunately I lost. I have a history of losing such splits much more than statisically expected. Regardless of history, I should not have deposited over and over, reducing my bonus to a small percentage of my total bet.

#3: -$300 at Connecto. I should not have deposited here in the first place.

#4: -$250 at Luck N Roll. Again, I should not have deposited here in the first place. This was one of the first casinos I played at, before I knew about their history.

#5: -$200 at Villento. I foolishly chased a big loss on their weekly bonus. I deposite over and over, and lost over and over. I foolishly wanted to go out on a win. By the time the win came, I had increased my losses by several hundered dollars. Villento went from a +$500 gain to #1 on my loss list over the course of a few weeks (I had a bad history on their weekly bonus). I've decreased the loss to $200 in recent weeks. This is the loss I regret the most and one of the most foolish decisions I have ever made in my gambling career.

#6 -$190 at Onlne Casino. I was fortunate enough to get a second quality bonus from the Casino Blasters group -- 250%. I even had approval from support to play in GBP, making my expecetd gain over $400. After having such a great history with big bets at Microgaming, I tried to bet half the bankroll early. This strategy increased my expected return slightly due to the high playthrough. I only made two bets -- both losses. The slight increase in expected gain was not worth the high risk of a loss, especially since there was a sigificant chance of my winnings being removed during cashout.


Gains of $500 or greater
1. King Neptune's: +~$3000 (Increase)
2. Jupiter Club: +$1950 (Increase)
3. Winward: +~$1500 or +~$2000
4. Casino.net: +~$1500 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
5. 888.com: +$1160 (Increase, US Players Banned)
6. Bella Vegas: +$1075 (Increase)
7. CasinoShare: +$825 (Increase)
8. Shark Casino: +$820
9. Palace of Chance: +$800 (Estimate)
10. Sun Vegas: +$775 (Increase)
11. Venetian (B&M Casino): +$750
11. USA Casino: +$750 (US Players Banned)
11. Casino Euro: +$750 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
14. Intercasino: +$700 (Decrease?!, US Players Banned)
15. Maple: +~$700 (New)
16. Casino Vega: +$660
17. Golden Rivera: +$600
17. River Belle: +~$600 (New)
17. Powerbet: +$600 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
20. Golden Reef: +$550 (Increase)
21. Nine.com: +$530
22. Littlewoods: +$510 (US Players Banned)

Losses of $100 or greater
1. Virtual Casino -$400 (New)
2. Slots Royale: -$350
3. Connecto: -$300
4. Luck N Roll: -$250
5. Villento: -$200 (Decreased, Smaller Loss)
6. Online Casino: -$190
7. Cinema Casino: -$140 (Decreased, Smaller Loss)
8. Omni Casino: -$100
8. Kiwi Casino: -$100
8. Player's Club (Boss): -$100 (New)
 
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EasyRhino

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Sep 17, 2006
Location
San Diego
Aka, I wouldn't think that some of your mistakes were really mistakes, just bad luck.

1) A $250 risk for a $250 bonus is pretty standard if you're a bigshot bonus hustler. Heck, you risked $250 at CasinoShare, didn't you? The only difference was that it paid off at the other place. I'm not too sure about the second bonus you chased, but was it at least +EV?

2) Splitting 8's against a 5 is a terrific move, from both a basic strategy a bonus hustling standpoint. Too bad it didn't work out.

6) Wait, were you trying to grind out a wagering requirement... with half-bankroll bets? For a sticky, that would be a good play, but if you were grinding out the WR, that would be a pretty dopey move. I'll have to agree with you there. :)
 

aka23

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Planet Earth
Aka, I wouldn't think that some of your mistakes were really mistakes, just bad luck.

1) A $250 risk for a $250 bonus is pretty standard if you're a bigshot bonus hustler. Heck, you risked $250 at CasinoShare, didn't you? The only difference was that it paid off at the other place. I'm not too sure about the second bonus you chased, but was it at least +EV?
True, but there is a big difference between risking a large first deposit at a quality Microgaming casino and a former-rouge RTG casino. Risking that much at a casino like Virtual is a questionable decision, even if the bonus is +EV. The second bonus was also +EV, but not by much.

2) Splitting 8's against a 5 is a terrific move, from both a basic strategy a bonus hustling standpoint. Too bad it didn't work out.
With those extra deposits, I reduced the bonus percentage from 75% of my deposit to less than 30% of my deposits. I was risking $550 on a $150 bonus. Even with a pair of 8s against a 5, there's a good chance of losing all $550. While statisically it was the correct decision, I would never deposit over and over like that again.


6) Wait, were you trying to grind out a wagering requirement... with half-bankroll bets? For a sticky, that would be a good play, but if you were grinding out the WR, that would be a pretty dopey move. I'll have to agree with you there. :)
A clearplay bonus is also cashable. Your EV increases with the sticky bet because you are expected to lose the bonus as you play through. By betting the bonus before you playthrough, you average in the full value of the bonus. The EV of 0.2xB on FR becomes (1 + 0.2)/2 = 0.6xB.

It's the same idea with other bonuses where you are expected to lose a good chunk of the bonus while playing through. In this case, I increased average bonus retention from ~85% of bonus to a little over 90% of bonus. That was a huge risk for such a small gain. I agree that it was a dumb move.
 

EasyRhino

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San Diego
Oh, I hadn't realize that you had gone into your pocket to split those 8's. Yes, that's a tougher decision. I did a similar move once to add an additional $75 for a doubledown which ended up losing.

But still, in my case, I had the question of if I wanted to risk $75 for a 70% chance of winning it. The answer would probably be yes again. In your case, it might have been more of like a $550 risk for a 65% chance of winning. The math still says yes, but I can definitely see how risk aversion might have been the better play...

... but not with your bankroll!! :)
 

aka23

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Jun 11, 2006
Location
Planet Earth
I'm up to ~$31,500 now. I used to look forward to all the monthly bonuses at the start of each month. I'm not going to spend much time on monthly bonuses this month. All the Cryptologic casinos have banned US Players, 32 Red banned US players, 888 banned US players, Casino Euro banned me from receiving bonuses, Cherry banned me from receving bonuses, and Grand Prive stopped giving me bonus offers. At least there is still Casinoshare. The Trident group offered me a bonus as well.
 

pangloss

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Joined
Aug 3, 2006
Location
Australia
I'm up to ~$31,500 now. I used to look forward to all the monthly bonuses at the start of each month. I'm not going to spend much time on monthly bonuses this month. All the Cryptologic casinos have banned US Players, 32 Red banned US players, 888 banned US players, Casino Euro banned me from receiving bonuses, Cherry banned me from receving bonuses, and Grand Prive stopped giving me bonus offers. At least there is still Casinoshare. The Trident group offered me a bonus as well.


I'm not surprised they stopped you getting monthly bonuses - you've flogged 'em like a dead donkey.

$31,500 geez - you know there is a thread on here where (supposed) players are advocating not taking bonuses 'cos they are too much trouble. I think your gambling log makes them feel uncomfortable.


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soflat

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Oct 3, 2005
Location
Florida
$31,500 geez - you know there is a thread on here where (supposed) players are advocating not taking bonuses 'cos they are too much trouble. I think your gambling log makes them feel uncomfortable....

I think it makes players who like bonuses really uncomfortable. Just look at what has happened to the bonus landscape over the past 2 years.
 

aka23

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Planet Earth
I'm not surprised they stopped you getting monthly bonuses - you've flogged 'em like a dead donkey.

$31,500 geez - you know there is a thread on here where (supposed) players are advocating not taking bonuses 'cos they are too much trouble. I think your gambling log makes them feel uncomfortable.
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I think it makes players who like bonuses really uncomfortable. Just look at what has happened to the bonus landscape over the past 2 years.
I'm up to ~$32,500 now. I didn't see the thread, but I expect that the problem was either players who favor high-variance games choosing bonuses with wagering requirements, or bonuses having unfavorable rules. One positive change in the bonus landscape over the past two years is Microgaming Clearplay bonuses. Under typical implementation, players can withdraw winnings at any point and play all games, so there is no downside to taking the bonus. Approximately half of my winnings occurred while playing Clearplay bonuses.
 

aka23

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Jun 11, 2006
Location
Planet Earth
As posted elsewhere, I recently found 7 double Neteller charges in my history. These are failed transactions that were charged in Neteller and not received at the casino. The total loss was near $700. I have recovered the first $200 and am confident I will eventually recover the rest. This log will be essential for identifying the casino where some of the older charges occurred. It is not always obvious by the Neteller name (example: early September Interpay double charge).

Other recent changes include being unbanned from the Jackpot Factory group, and being unbanned from receiving bounses with the Casino Rewards group.

I'm up to a net gain of nearly $35,000 now. My updated gains/losses list is below. Changes during the month of November are marked as increased/decreased.

Gains of $500 or greater
1. King Neptune's: +~$3000
2. Jupiter Club: +$1950 (No more bonus offers?)
3. Winward: +~$1550 (Increase, lowered estimate)
4. Casino.net: +~$1500 (US Players Banned)
5. 888.com: +$1160 (US Players Banned)
6. Bella Vegas: +$1075 (No more bonus offers?)
7. CasinoShare: +$925 (Increase)
8. Shark Casino: +$820
9. Palace of Chance: +$800 (Estimate)
10. Sun Vegas: +$775
11. Venetian (B&M Casino): +$750
11. USA Casino: +$750 (US Players Banned)
11. Casino Euro: +$750 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
14. Intercasino: +$700 (US Players Banned)
15. Maple: +~$700
16. Casino Vega: +$660
17. Golden Rivera: +$600
17. River Belle: +~$600
17. Powerbet: +$600 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
17. Thunderluck: +$600 (New)
21. Golden Reef: +$550
22. Nine.com: +$530
23. Littlewoods: +$510 (US Players Banned)
24. All Slots: +$500 (New)
24. Vegas USA: +$500 (New)

Losses of $100 or greater
1. Virtual Casino -$400
2. Slots Royale: -$350
3. Connecto: -$300
4. Luck N Roll: -$250
5. Villento: -$200
6. Online Casino: -$190
7. Cinema Casino: -$140
8. Omni Casino: -$100
8. Kiwi Casino: -$100
8. Player's Club (Boss): -$100
 

ALUU

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Joined
Sep 14, 2006
Location
west coast
with the nature of this industry and considering what site you're posting on, making this whole log has to be one of the more stupid things here.
 

aka23

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Jun 11, 2006
Location
Planet Earth
with the nature of this industry and considering what site you're posting on, making this whole log has to be one of the more stupid things here.
I see you started posting on this site a few minutes ago, so I'm guessing you haven't read through the full log. I've discussed reasons for the log several times. Obvious benefits include being a valuable source of information for myself and for others, and insuring that I take more time to write out and think about my gambling choices. One simple reason I have not mentioned, is it makes gambling more enjoyable for me. A recent unexpected benefit is being able to track my gambling and figure out at which casinos the Neteller double charges occurred. There have been many other unexpected benefits. Without this log, I doubt that I would have started my website. I would not have started making large wins with Clearplay bonuses until much later. Clearplays account for roughly half of my gains. Regarding the choice of the log here and not elsewhere, this is the first gambling forum that I posted on and my favored gambling forum.

The only negative consequence I am aware of with the log, is the CPS incident, which in my opinon has been greatly overblown. I expect that the same financial outcome (one CPA not credited) would have occurred whether or not the log existed. The log made me aware of the problem quickly, and insured that no similar problems would occur.
 
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