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aka23 said:
I'm up to a net gain of nearly $35,000 now. My updated gains/losses list is below.
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aka, wondering, do you include your original deposits in your gains tally?

Also, to substantiate your claim, would you be able to post a NETeller screen shot showing October winnings, of course with your identity info blacked out?

Finally I am still waiting for those pics you promised! He he, okay you didn't promise, but I sent you my email address and I thought you'd email those ice cream pics by now...
 
jerrylee said:
aka, wondering, do you include your original deposits in your gains tally?

Also, to substantiate your claim, would you be able to post a NETeller screen shot showing October winnings, of course with your identity info blacked out?

Finally I am still waiting for those pics you promised! He he, okay you didn't promise, but I sent you my email address and I thought you'd email those ice cream pics by now...
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My gains are gains. Deposits are not included. I have a gains/losses list outside the log that I update with each casino win or loss. I'm definitely not going to post a screenshot of my Neteller account in the log, but I will send you one by email. It will actually be a lot of sceenshots, if you want to see all of October. Most weeks have 2-3 pages of Neteller data. I'll also give you the Ice Cream (my dog's name) pics in the same email. You'll need to give me an email address. I didn't see one in the PMs.
 
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aka23 said:
I went through eCOGRA for the Jackpot Factory banning. It likely related to my girlfriend signing up using her laptop from my IP address. I was quite impressed with eCOGRA's quick response and quick results.
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I logged into Wild Jacks for the first time since being unbanned today and found $180 in my account. This $180 was confiscated from me when my account was locked. It is bad enough to lock a player's account while refusing to give a reason, but stealing a player's money without explanation is simply inexcusable.
 
I haven't been posting much in the log because I haven't been playing much. My net gain is roughly the same as last time -- ~$35,000.

Instead I've been focusing on the website. It should have a more professional look soon. The plan for the new home page design is pictured in the jpg at
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. I think its a dramatic improvement over the current style. I plan to incorporate that theme and style into the rest of the site.

The site has been a real eye opening experience for me. (EDITED...)
 
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EasyRhino said:
You know, I almost think the new design might be too slick.

You don't look like a blue-collar working stiff who's stickin' it to the man anymore!
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cheekymonkey said:
Still a brilliant thread though.

Not many threads on here get near to 13000 hits.
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Awai said:
excellent work - glad to see your investing some of the many many hours its been into a structure...been a year of change i'll bet! ;)
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I appreciate the support. The site has been online for about 6 weeks now and will continue to improve in future weeks.
 
I don't have much to report, as I have not been gambling. I'd like to try out some of the new MG games, but most are beyond my risk/expected return level for non-bonus play. I'll contact Grand Prive support later and ask for a bonus to try out the games.

I saw the movie Casino Royale over the weekend. In other movies, Bond plays baccarat and makes large bets. It's is a similar strategy to how many play Clearplay bonuses. In the book Casino Royale, Bond played baccarat as well. However, in the movie they changed it to poker. I think poker is more fitting, and certainly the audience is more familiar with the game. I think I could bet $1000 on a hand, and I have gone up to $750 before. However, I can't imagine ever betting levels like in the movie or in various tournaments.

The plot of the movie was ridiculous, but I enjoyed it. The audience seemed to really like it as well. That's the most positive audience reaction I've seen in a theater in years. When Bond drew 3 Aces over 3 Kings, several people made a onomatopoeic comment. At the end of the movie, lots of people applaused.
 
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I tried some of the new games today. I started with 50-play All Aces VP. The minimum bet of $25 was more than I wanted to risk, so I dropped down to 10- play. I had an amazing start. My first hand only paid $1. On the second hand, I drew four of a kind in one of the ten hands for a nice gain. On the third hand I drew 3 of a kind in the initial hand, and 4 of a kind in 2 of the 10 final hands for another large payout. I gained nearly $100 in just three $5 hands.

I stopped at this point and moved to Mega Moolah. I didn't get anything of significance in ~100 spins. I realize this is normal for a bonus slot. After reading the positive reviews, I was expecting more. I prefer the setup of the older Microgaming video slots with options on the main panel and greater ease of line choices. I really dislike not being able to try the game in practice mode. Some of the recent slots seem to be lower pay than normal, and I'd like to have a feel for the rate of bonus rounds before investing a lot of money.

My net gain between the two games was $75.
 
I had an interesting experience at Palace of Chance today. I was measuring the max rate of blackjack play with RTG software. I switched to practice mode, selected the max bet of $100 per hand (I have a low max bet at this casino, it was much higher the last time I logged in), then played as many hands as I could in one minute. I gained ~$500 in this one minute and drew several BJs. I thought to myself that practice mode may have better odds than real mode. It would be great, if this happened when I was playing for real. Then a few minutes later, I realized I hit the wrong button... I was not playing in practice mode, I was playing in real mode!

I wish I could see a play history for those hands. I believe I lost a couple due to incorrect strategy decisions. Perhaps I'll contact support and ask..

Today's play increases my net gain at Palace of Chance to ~$1300. I believe that's 5th on my highest gains list.
 
I had to contact support to get a play history, as the casino's history function was not working. I was not impressed with support. First the system was down, and I needed to try back later. I did eventually get data for the most recent 15 hands. There are couple other hands that I don't have data for, as play history only has the most recent 15 hands.

They play was abnormal, as listed below. I drew 4 BJs in 15 hands. The chance of 4 BJs in 15 hands is less than 1 in 200. I won twice while making incorrect strategy decisions, such as standing on 13 vs K. My net gain over these 15 hands was $700. I know believe I gained $600, rather than $500. I don't recall my exact balance when I started playing.

1. Lose $100 -- Player 12 vs Dealer 20
2. Gain $100 -- Player 16 vs Dealer Bust -- Stood on 16 vs K!
3. Lose $100 -- Player Bust vs Q
4. Gain $150 -- Player BJ
5. Lose $100 -- Player Bust vs A
6. Gain $100 -- Player 18 vs Dealer 17
7. Gain $100 -- Player 19 vs Dealer 17
8. Gain $150 -- Player BJ
9. Lose $100 -- Player 19 vs Dealer 21
10. Gain $100 -- Player 13 vs Dealer Bust -- Stood on 13 vs K!
11. Gain $150 -- Player BJ
12. Lose $100 -- Player 17 vs Dealer 20
13. Gain $100 -- Player 18 vs Dealer Bust
14. Gain $150 -- Player BJ
15. Gain $100 -- Player 20 vs Dealer 19

Net -- Gain +$700 -- 4 BJs, 6 non-BJ wins, 5 losses
 
winbig said:
Just think how much you'd be up if you didn't notice you were in fun mode until later :lolup:

It's so much easier to throw max bets out there when you think it's fun mode though....
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Or if I had a larger max bet size. I could have just as easily bet $500 as $100. It no doubt is easier to make make risky bets when you don't think you aren't risking your own funds.

I played at Intertops a few weeks ago and requested a cashout before they put the bonus in my account. I received my cashout after their two week delay for first cashouts, and still had the bonus in my account. Again, I took risky bets since I was only risking a bonus, and again it paid off. I gained a couple hundred playing Twin Samurai, then switched to Mega Moolah. At first it went poorly. I almost lost everything. When I was within my last 5 spins, I hit the free spins and free spins retrigger for a total of 20 free spins, and a total win of ~$600. I tried to take a screenshot of this for winning screenshots. Unfortunately the win balance displayed on the screen switched to 0 when I pressed CTRL-C. I really wish Intertops offered the usual MG Clearplay bonus in which you could can cash out without playing though. Instead I was stuck with a huge $5000 wagering requirement that could only be fulfilled by slots, video slots, and non-power play VP. The obvious choice was VP. I set JoB autoplay for 4000 $1.25 spins. The results are below:

Royal Flush -- 0 (0 expected)
Straight Flush -- 0 (0.4 expected)
Four of a Kind -- 12 (9 expected)
Full House -- 36 (46 expected)
Flush -- 44 (44 expected)
Straight -- 52 (45 expected)
Three of a Kind -- 276 (298 expected)
Two Pair -- 528 (517 expected)
Pair -- 860 (858 expected)
Nothing -- 2188 (2182 expected)

I found it interesting that the 4 of a kinds came in patches. First 6 over the first 2-3 hundred spins, then a long break of more than 1000 hands followed by a patch of 3, then another long break of more than 1000 hands followed by another patch of 3. I also find it interesting that some of the numbers are right on expectations, while others remained at a different rate than expected the whole session. I believe I saw it keeping 4 to a straight with gap and no high cards, which may explain the higher number of straights. It is also possible I missed something given the high speed of hands in autoplay.

Overall, I am expected to lose 3% per hand in which I do get a royal flush or straight flush. Over $5000 wagering without a RF/SF, I am expected to lose ~$150. I actually lost ~$200, so I had close to $400 when I attempted to cash out.

My cash out was unsuccessful because I couldn't log into Intertops webpage sports book banker. They have an odd cashier system, where you must cash in your chips at the casino to sports book, then log into sports book to cash out. I have trouble logging into sportsbook, often getting Javascript errors. If they approve my cashout, that will increase my net gain at Intertops to ~$700.
 
Regarding playing making mistakes when playing fast, I can relate. I was trying to grind through a fairly monstrous RTG bonus the other day, and was playing fast enough to where I started making mistakes too. One was standing on a soft ten, (which I lost). The other was hitting a pair of 8s instead of splitting, ironically I drew a 5 and won the hand. Of course, these were about $5 bets :)

BTW, did you ever have Palace of Chance label you an "advanced player"? They did to me after I got lucky and ran up their new account bonus fairly high. Now I'm limiting to no more than 30% bonuses with crappy WRs.
 
Oh god, I just "pulled an aka" of my own. I was playing single deck Vegas BJ on a microgaming site, working on their bonus, and was playing a $100 hand.

I draw 15, the dealer has 4. Obvious stand decision. Unfortunately, I'm still amping myself up to prepare for the big win/loss, and I hit the "hit" button. I realize my mistake before the card flips over, but it's too late.

I draw a 6 giving me a 21. Even crazier, if I had stood, the dealer would have drawn to an 18, clobbering me. (I ended up making a profit on the bonus and got to request a cashout)

I guess that just proves that luck favors fools, children, and apparantly for a brief shining moment, me.

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Incidentally, aka, I think I found a better microgaming for you if you're trying to run up a bonus. I know that you've written that you like half-chipcount blackjack bets, and you like Atlantic city BJ because it allows surrender, which you like to have available when you have a large bet out.

Hogwash, I say. First of all, the whole point of a sticky bonus is to play fast and hard and hope for the best, giving the house edge as little time to catch up to you as possible (in other words surrender is for wusses!). But more importantly, the fairly flexible rules in ACBJ allow lots of splitting and doubling after splits. You could theoretically split to 3-4 hands, and double all of them. Of course, unless you only bet 1/8 of your bankroll, this option wouldn't even be available.

I think the Vegas SD BJ is superior when going kamikaze on a bonus. Strangely, the very restrictive rules is what makes it appealing. You can only split once, and if you split, you can't double. The most you could ever do is double your bet. This is perfectly suited for a half-chipcount bet.

The house edge different between the two games is trivial over just a few hands, but I really think I like the easier bet-sizing.

Of course, you could also play MG's classic blackjack. It only allows one split or one double too, and it even has a lower edge. However, it's a no-hole-card game, and even I just hate those. :)
 
EasyRhino said:
Regarding playing making mistakes when playing fast, I can relate. I was trying to grind through a fairly monstrous RTG bonus the other day, and was playing fast enough to where I started making mistakes too. One was standing on a soft ten, (which I lost). The other was hitting a pair of 8s instead of splitting, ironically I drew a 5 and won the hand. Of course, these were about $5 bets :)

BTW, did you ever have Palace of Chance label you an "advanced player"? They did to me after I got lucky and ran up their new account bonus fairly high. Now I'm limiting to no more than 30% bonuses with crappy WRs.
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Oh god, I just "pulled an aka" of my own. I was playing single deck Vegas BJ on a microgaming site, working on their bonus, and was playing a $100 hand.

I draw 15, the dealer has 4. Obvious stand decision. Unfortunately, I'm still amping myself up to prepare for the big win/loss, and I hit the "hit" button. I realize my mistake before the card flips over, but it's too late.

I draw a 6 giving me a 21. Even crazier, if I had stood, the dealer would have drawn to an 18, clobbering me. (I ended up making a profit on the bonus and got to request a cashout)

I guess that just proves that luck favors fools, children, and apparantly for a brief shining moment, me.
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It's great when a mistake pays off, but it is terrible when a mistake costs you. I usually rarely make BJ mistakes, or at least I rarely catch myself making mistakes. In the Palace of Chance episode, my goal was to time how many hands could be played in a minute, so I was more prone to errors than usual.

Prism & Slots of Vegas have labeled me an "advanced player". The rest of the Virtual group had not when I took my last bonus with them a couple months ago. However, they may have now. They have at least dramatically reduced my max bet limits in blackjack.
 
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Incidentally, aka, I think I found a better microgaming for you if you're trying to run up a bonus. I know that you've written that you like half-chipcount blackjack bets, and you like Atlantic city BJ because it allows surrender, which you like to have available when you have a large bet out.

Hogwash, I say. First of all, the whole point of a sticky bonus is to play fast and hard and hope for the best, giving the house edge as little time to catch up to you as possible (in other words surrender is for wusses!). But more importantly, the fairly flexible rules in ACBJ allow lots of splitting and doubling after splits. You could theoretically split to 3-4 hands, and double all of them. Of course, unless you only bet 1/8 of your bankroll, this option wouldn't even be available.

I think the Vegas SD BJ is superior when going kamikaze on a bonus. Strangely, the very restrictive rules is what makes it appealing. You can only split once, and if you split, you can't double. The most you could ever do is double your bet. This is perfectly suited for a half-chipcount bet.

The house edge different between the two games is trivial over just a few hands, but I really think I like the easier bet-sizing.

Of course, you could also play MG's classic blackjack. It only allows one split or one double too, and it even has a lower edge. However, it's a no-hole-card game, and even I just hate those. :)
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That's a good analysis. I'll give vegas SD BJ a try some time soon.

Yes, I like ACBJ because of the surrender option. I like getting another chance, if I happen to draw a terrible hand. And I also like having won more than statiscally expected on the game. For the purpose of a few big bets, the difference in house edge between blackjack versions is negligible. It would become more significant when meeting a large wagering requirement.

The chances of wanting to split to several hands is another concern. Without the option to split/double at all, the house edge increases by about 1.9%. With the option to only split or double once (half bankroll bet), the difference would a little under 0.2%.

Again, for the purposes of a few big bets a small difference in house edge like this won't amount to much, so I think of the choices between BJs as more psychological preference. Do you want the option to surrender if you have a bad hand? Do you want to eliminate the possibility of being stuck with a pair of 8s that you do not have the bankroll to split? Do you want to know that you played with optimal stategy and game choice? Do you have a good history with one game, or a bad history with another? Do you have a favorite game?
 
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True, I think that personal preference should dominate when attacking a clearpay-type bonus. However, the bet-sizing thing is a conundrum I've had when playing other games (mainly RTGs), and I finally applied the similar analysis to BJ.

There's two main reasons I prefer going kamikaze on stickies, and both are due to me not normally betting a couple hundred dollars a hand when I play B&M:

1) If I bust out, there's less emotional pain from the loss if it's quick.
2) If I start to win, I'm more likely to keep my discipline until I reach my target amount (lately I've been more aggressive with stickies, and try to triple my starting chipcount at the beginning).
 
I just hit 1 million Neteller points today.

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I received my second cashout from Intertops, the one from the $100 bonus they left over in my account. I never would have expected a gain with a 60xB wagering requirement that can only be fulfilled on high variance games.

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I played the Belle Rock Gift Wrap free spins promotion recently, which requires wagering $1000. I started at $55, then worked up to $95 playing low bet ACBJ. I finished at an even $100 after gaining $5 playing Twin Samurai and All Aces.

I did not get the 100 free spins as promoted. Given people are reporting that it is 100 1 cent spins for a total value of $1, so I did no miss out on much.
 
I think the gig may be up for French Roulette at microgaming shops.

I've noticed several different casinos dropping the amount that FR counts to wagering requirements to only 25% of a bet.

This turns a 30xB requirement into 120xB. Meaning each dollar bet will clear .83% of the bonus, but cost you 1.35% house edge.
 
EasyRhino said:
I think the gig may be up for French Roulette at microgaming shops.

I've noticed several different casinos dropping the amount that FR counts to wagering requirements to only 25% of a bet.

This turns a 30xB requirement into 120xB. Meaning each dollar bet will clear .83% of the bonus, but cost you 1.35% house edge.
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Which casinos are you referring to?

The Casino Profit Share group recently switched from a wagering requirement of 100xB on non-bj table games to 120xB. It's a new bonus system designed to reward quality players. "Platinum Elite" players must wager 40xB. Standard players must wager 120xB. I doubt that the change is targeting FR players.

Belle Rock and Trident are still 45xB, Casino Rewards and Fortune Lounge are still 60xB. Vegas Partner, Grand Prive, and Golden Riviera still have the same high wagering.
 
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I have a new formula for approximating the expected return of a Clearplay bonus when using large bets without playthrough:

For large bets with a 100% bonus:
Average Gain = Bonus *(Chance of Bust - 2 *wagering * house edge)

For example, there is a 50.7% chance of busting with a full-bankroll baccarat player bet, the house edge is 1.29%, and average wagering is 1.08 (it's more than 1 because sometimes you get ties and have to bet again)... so the numbers are:

Bonus * (.507 - 2 * 1.08 *1.29%) = ~48% of Bonus
Confirming with real numbers: .493*200 - .507*100 = ~48

If you bet on banker instead of player, then the numbers are:

Bonus * (.493 - 2 * 1.08 *1.01%) = ~47% of Bonus
Confirming with real numbers: .507*0.95*200 - .493*100 = ~47

If you bet everything on the numbers 1-12 in single-zero roulette, then the numbes are:
Bonus * (25/37 - 2 * 1 * 2.7%) = 62% of bonus
Confirming with real numbers: 12/37*2*200 - 25/37*100 = ~62

If you choose a game with a high variance and lower house edge like All Aces, then the chance of busting is roughly the same as the percent of bonus.
 
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aka23 said:
I have a new formula for approximating the expected return of a Clearplay bonus when using large bets without playthrough:

For large bets with a 100% bonus:
Average Gain = Bonus *(Chance of Bust - 2 *wagering * house edge)
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I thought it was a lot higher.

Let's say you bet it all on one hand of Bacarrat with a House Edge of 1.29%.

Your expected cashout is then $98.71 ($50 deposit, $50 bonus, bet $100 once).

So then your average gain is 97.42% of the bonus.
 
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I thought it was a lot higher.

Let's say you bet it all on one hand of Bacarrat with a House Edge of 1.29%.

Your expected cashout is then $98.71 ($50 deposit, $50 bonus, bet $100 once).

So then your average gain is 97.42% of the bonus.
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You need to conisder that half the time you lose your $50 depsoit and do not make a gain.

So about half the time you gain about $100, and about half the time you lose $50. This makes that average gain roughly 0.5*100 - 0.5*50 = $25 = half of the bonus. The house edge of the games reduces it to a little under half of the bonus.

Note that the above numbers don't include playing through the bonus. If you played through the bonus and retained 100% of the bonus during the playthough, the average gain would be 100%. However, if you could retain 100% of the bonus during the playthrough, then there would be no point to making high variance bets. With typical FR weighting, you'd gain another ~10% average by playing through in the baccarat example above, for an overall average gain of a little under 60% of the bonus.
 
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You need to conisder that half the time you lose your $50 depsoit and do not make a gain.

So about half the time you gain about $100, and about half the time you lose $50. This makes that average gain roughly 0.5*100 - 0.5*50 = $25 = half of the bonus. The house edge of the games reduces it to a little under half of the bonus.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to factor in that you are forfeiting the bonus.
 
The 2xWagering I mentioned before relates to wagering being expressed as a percentage of Bonus, and 2xB being a full bankroll bet on a 100% clearplay. I can express things much more elgantly as follows:

Expected Value of a Cashable Bonus = B - AW*HE
Expected Vaue of a Sticky Bonus = B*CoB - AW*HE

B=Bonus
CoB = Chance of Bust
W = Wagering Requirement
AW = Average Wagering
HE = House Edge

Note that average wagering may be quite small, if you bet the bonus early and typically do not have complete the wagering requirement.

Using some examples to confirm reasonable values:

Example #1 -- A $100 100% Clearplay bonus when using the startegy betting every thing on a hand of baccarat (player), then cashes out without playing through. The sticky formula applies since the bonus is not cashed out.

Expected Value = $100*.507 - $200*1.4% = $47.90 (the same value mentioned a couple posts back)

If instead of cashing out, you complete the playthrough on French Roulette with 60xB weighting, then average wagering changes. You wager the $200 at a 1.4% house edge, then 49.3% of the time,you win and wager an additional 60x$100 = $6000 at a 1.35% house edge. So the average wagering * house edge is $200*1.4% + $6000*.493*1.35% = $42.73. Plugging into the cashable equation:

Expected Value = $100 - $42.73 = $57.30


Example #2 -- $200 cashable bonus with 20xB wagering on BJ. If you complete the bonus with $5 bets, then the average wagering is close to the wagering requirement, as you will rarely bust before completing wagering. The chance of busting is only 9%. I'll assume that you get close to completing the wagering when you bust , So the average wagering is in the neighborhood of 97%*200*20 = $3880. Plugging into the cashable equation:

Explected Value = $200 - $3880*.005 = $181

If you made $20 bets instead of $5 bets in an attempt to increase variance increase likelyhood of using the bonus money while completing wagering, then the chance of bust increases to 37% . Most of the times you bust, you'd complete the majority of the wageirng, so I'll esitmate average wagering to be 85%. $200 - $3400 *.005 = $183.

You only get an extra $2 from the additional risk. Betting the bonus before playing through or other high risk stategies are not much use unless you expect to lose most of the bonus on the wagering requirement.


Example 3 -- 100% $100 slots only bonus with 30xB wagering requirement. This is a terrible bonus that often has a negative expected value. You will probably bust before completing the playthrough. If you choose a low variance strategy with hopes to complete the wagering, then the bust risk is reasonable. I'll estimate that you bust 50% of the time and average 20xB wagering when you bust. The other 50% of the time, you complete the 30xB wagering. So the average wagering is 25xB. Plugging into the cashable equation.

EV = $100 - 25*100*.05 = -$25

If you instead begin with a high variance slot such that you will either bust quickly or win big and then switch to a low variance slot to compelte the wagering, then the bust rate and average wagering changes. I'll estimate that 90% of the time you bust with a 4xB average wagering, and the other 10% of the time, you complete the 30xB wagering. This makes the average wagering .9x4 + .1*30 = 6.6xB. Plugging into the equation

EV = $100 - 6.6*100*.05 = +$67

You can make almost any bonus have a positive expected value by increasing the bust risk and decreasing the average wagering. The key exception is bonuses that are given only after completing wagering.
 
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I had an interesting experience at Villento today. I've been playing 10-play All Aces Video Poker for the past few weeks with each of Villento's weekly bonuses. I usually bust and have never gotten 4 Aces in real mode while playing through several $100 deposits.

Today something different happened. After signing in, I had to redownload all games for an unknown reason. After downloading All Aces, I started playing. I drew 4 Aces on my first hand!!! I wish I had saved a screenshot. I stopped playing soon after that point and cashed out.


I also got into a 15-page argument on the Casino Affiliate forums over whether you should stand on a pair of 10s vs 6, or split a pair of 10s vs 6.
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. Running a simulation with 200 million hands, working out the odds by hand, and linking to Wizard of Odd's results and other reputable sites wasn't enough! I'm surprised people like that have casino websites.
 
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I also got into a 15-page argument on the Casino Affiliate forums over whether you should stand on a pair of 10s vs 6, or split a pair of 10s vs 6.
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. Running a simulation with 200 million hands, working out the odds by hand, and linking to Wizard of Odd's results and other reputable sites wasn't enough! I'm surprised people like that have casino websites.
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ha ha funny stuff aka23.
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where nick777 says "While those mathematical percentages you list are correct, they are also wrong" ok there buddy :confused:
 
Hi thread, long time, no see.

Aka, I've thought about it some, and I've decided, I think you got a little bit lucky in your bonus hustling career. But not ridiculously lucky.

Here's why: I started a couple of months after you. I don't think I played as aggressive early on. And of course, the US closures probably hurt me a little bit more than it hurt you. Anyway, if I add up all my winnings everywhere (bank account, e-wallet, frozen in neteller, awaiting cashout from casinos) I'm probably looking at about $20,000. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with these results, but you were up to around $35,000 when you stopped counting a while back.

I think I made a few technical errors early in my career:

1) "shorting" myself on large signup bonuses at some places by not depositing the max amount available. I did this early on when I didn't have a very big bankroll, but I should have saved those for later, rather than wimping out on them.

2) not being aggressive enough in play: There were a lot of fairly marginal cashable bonuses that I played through 'straight'. In hindsight, if I had gone with the riskier strategy of trying to double-up or triple-up early, it would have paid off much better over the long run.

3) Being too aggressive on some play: I had a stupid roulette phase, where I was playing entire deposits on 1 to 3 numbers. That was too risky to have a reasonable expectation of profit over the medium term.

And also, as mentioned, the whole UIGEA thing really put a damper on things.

But then there's luck, and I think you had a little bit more of it than I did. Just a little.

My own activities are definitely winding down. I seem to be out of casinos that I haven't signed up, and are at least somewhat reputable, that will allow US players. The RTG casinos that I've been milking for their recurring bonuses have gradually been bonus-restricting me. And then there's the occassional offer from places like grand prive, trident, and big dollar.

I don't mind too much, it leaves me with more free time :)
 
Wow, its been a long time since I looked at this thread. I think that is an accurate analysis. A gain of $20k is still great, especially for a US player who only had a few months of playing prior to the October 13th changes. Another factor you did not list is me receiving more monthly bonuses and more reload offers throughout the year (including Grand Prive).

From an overall gain perspective, I agree that I was "a bit lucky", and not "ridiculously lucky." However, there were 2 events early on in my gambling that were ridiculously lucky. I've mentioned these events many times on the forums. They are what inspired to get so into gambling.

1. During my trip to Vegas on Memorial Day weekend last year, I was not a gambler. My gf and I bet maybe $20 over the course of the full weekend. Before leaving we decided to spend the $1 cash in my pocket on a slot spin, our only wager of the day. That spin won $750, which was more than enough to pay for the trip! That was the inspiration for looking into how to win more at casinos. I was interested in card counting and the MIT BJ team, and tried the QFIT program.

2. The first time I played at an online casino was at casino.net . I chose it because it had a solid sounding name, and my QFIT BJ simulator said there was a small player edge on single-deck BJ with Boss Media. At the time I did not know anything about casino bonuses. 25% with 50xB wagering sounded like a good deal, as I had a player advantage during the wagering. So I deposited $800 for the maximum bonus. I read on a website that the private BJ games were single deck and the public games were multi-deck. I later found out that all games at casino.net were multi-deck, so I was playing with the wrong blackjack strategy. In spite of using the wrong strategy, I gained $1300 over the course of the wagering using a combination of a flat bet of $25 on BJ and switching to a few slot spins from time to time. I did not drop below my starting balance at any point during the wagering. Only $200 of the $1300 was the bonus. Statistically, I should have lost most or all of my $800 deposit. Instead I had a huge win. That was my inspiration for trying more online casinos and more casino bonuses.
 
I do have 1 relevant update. I am about to complete the wagering requirement for a bonus that I claimed in September 2006, 6 months ago! I've took a multi-month break from playing the bonus because I had an open dispute and was waiting for Montana/Hastings. I've decided to just go ahead and do the extra wagering. I have about $9000 to go, and my balance is at $1800. With my current bet size and play rate, I'll finish in 60-90 min. I may post more detail, after I receive the cashout.
 
Impressive! Impressive! Impressive! Impressive! Impressive! Wow, this thread is sooooo goood! :notworthy
I thank you aka, for this useful log! I just finished reading it! Wow :)
I want to do smthng similar :)
 
Star/Planet luck.......
KasinoKing said:
That was my experience with them too - I thought it was just me! :p

Thanks very much for sharing your experiences - very much appreciated! :thumbsup:

Please keep this log going - it's great reading!
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Well you'll be happy to know that theyve closed now!

Although I always found them both really good... won over 15,000 (and then lost 10,000 ;) )
 

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