Gambling Log

[aka23]

One fun little anecdote in my own personal bonus-hustling.

I picked up a $10 freechip from a Casino Rewards family casino (Virtual City). The minimum cashout here is $50, so I just placed the chip on a six-number roulette bet, which pays 5 to 1. It actually hit! Ironically, it even hit number 13, which is the number I would pick if it was a single-number bet. Anyway, immediate $50 withdrawal.

(Course, I've tried semi-aggressive roulette bets with small bonuses at many places, and only a few have actually hit. Them's the breaks).

That's a great percentage gain and use of a free chip. I've never played at Virtual City because Casino Rewards banned me from receiving bonuses.

My most impressive percentage gain was the event that I've described many times, which inspired me to begin online gambling. I was in Vegas and had $1 in my pocket. My GF and I decided to bet the $1 on slots before driving home. It was our only bet of the day. That spin won $750.

 

[aka23]

I played at Peach Casino in July and have been trying to make a withdrawl for more than 3 months. I finally was paid by Peach today. They sent me a check for ~$1200 by DHL. At least there was one advantage to Cryptologic banning US players -- Peach finally paid me! I also received a ~$300 check from Littlewoods recently.

 

[snails168]

I notice that the Grand Prive casinos do not let you bet more than $100 on Baccarat so I tried out your ACBJ strategy and I like it. How much cover play do you give them in order to get the weekly bonus offers? I figure $100 in action playing roulette/bacarrat should do it.

 

[aka23]

I notice that the Grand Prive casinos do not let you bet more than $100 on Baccarat so I tried out your ACBJ strategy and I like it. How much cover play do you give them in order to get the weekly bonus offers? I figure $100 in action playing roulette/bacarrat should do it.

There are two versions of baccarat -- baccarat and high-limit baccarat. I believe the max bet is $500 in high-limit baccarat. However, I almost never make large bets in baccarat anymore. As long as I continue to have excellent results with ACBJ, I'll continue with ACBJ. I also like to be able to play more hands and have more control over the outcome.

The weekly bonus offers began for me a week or two after I signed up and made a deposit. I did not do any type of cover play. I simply played the bonus received offers in my email. However, playing without bonuses certainly will improve your standing. I read about an incident less than 1 year ago in which the group banned certain players from receiving bonuses for reasons such as "cashout/bonus ratio is too high compared to my deposits."

 

[Mousey]

...snip... However, playing without bonuses certainly will improve your standing. I read about an incident less than 1 year ago in which the group banned certain players from receiving bonuses for reasons such as "cashout/bonus ratio is too high compared to my deposits."

Mousey raises her hand.... Me, me, me! And I deposited often without a bonus. But I was too near being in the black, or actually in the black, at more than one of their casinos. After an embarrassing (to them) fiasco last fall/winter, when they decided this cashout to bonus to deposit ratio was important and denied bonuses left and right, they then honored the bonuses and simply cut a LOT of players off. They (actually, a certain rep) removed my name from their mailing lists at all their casinos and I haven't received any promos from them since. (They actually dumped a lot of their VIP's in this manner.) I did receive the $500 snail mail trying to lure players back, but when I attempted to use the code, I was 'not eligible' for that promotion. They still hate me.

A further note about Grand Prive... And something that still bothers me. Before they came right out and began denying bonuses for particular players, many of these same players lost the NETeller function in their banking software. Grand Prive claimed it was a MicroGaming 'glitch' which lasted for months (almost 3 months for me), and was not experienced at another other casino group. We stirred up quite a ruckus, we got our NETeller function back (the 'glitch' was 'fixed'), and almost immediately after the mysterious 'glitch' disappeared we were put on the bonus abuser (bonus/deposits/cashouts ratio) list and denied all bonuses. I just don't like "sneaky".

GP has some of the best bonuses in the industry. It just seems that they take exception to players taking them up on all the offers they send out.

 

[aka23]

Wow! I didn't know all the details, as this occurred before I started gambling. I hope Grand Prive doesn't try something like that again. My issues with the group are far more mild -- the worst Clearplay game weighting of all MG groups, some bonuses not being credited automatically, and not offering me any bonuses recently.

 

[aka23]

I actually gambled today. I played at Challenge Casino. They offer a series of deposit bonuses -- 25%, then 50%, then 100%. I've stayed away from the Casino Profit Share group because they force you to play through a 100xB FR wagering before cashing out. Unlike typically Clearplays, you cannot cash out early after a win.

I suddently played now because of affiliate payments. One cool thing about having an affiliate site is getting affiliate payments on your own play. They offer an outstanding affiliate program with a $75 CPA bonus for person who deposits $50+.

My plan for play was to deposit the minimum on the first two and the maximum on the third. Unfortunately, it seems the max bonus is based your earlier deposits, so I only received a $20 bonus on the 3rd deposit, instead of the expected $50. My results were as follows:

1. Deposit $20, receive 25% bonus... bust.

2. Deposit $20, receive 50% bonus... build it up to $60. Attempt to complete wagering on FR... bust.

3. Depost $50, receive $20 bonus... build it up to $150. Meet playthrough on FR and cash out at $125.

So my net gain/loss at Challenge Casino was +$35 +$75 CPA = +$110

 

[SlotsWizard]

Aka23, I hope you don't mind if I temporarily hijack your thread to post my own gambling log.

As you may have seen in the eternal Winner Screenshots thread (here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here), I have had an absolutely phenomenal week this week.

It started out on Sunday night, I did well in a poker tournament (3rd place) and won $150 or something, not much but it was from a $20 deposit. When the tournament ended it was already past my bedtime so I called it a night.

Monday after getting home from work I popped some of the tournament winnings into the Flash version of 4-hand Aces & Faces and that's when I hit the Royal Flush on one of those hands for $1,000 - which I promptly cashed out. I then played at Crazy Vegas and cashed out $800 from a $100 deposit. I also made my first deposit at Roxy Palace and some good wins at Thunderstruck, Spring Break and Tally Ho turned my $100 deposit into a $1500 withdrawal.

Sometime Tuesday morning the $1800 from the poker room and Crazy Vegas was waiting for me in my Neteller account. Roxy Palace's withdrawal had to go directly into my bank account because they treat Neteller like a credit card, that is, they only pay back into Neteller the amount that you have deposited using Neteller - but since I deposited $100 and withdrew $1500, they would have needed to pay me $1400 some other way so it was best to just have the whole thing go directly into my bank account.

So the $1800 that was in my Neteller Tuesday morning allowed me to play at various places on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday - although I did not win anything worth cashing out. But late Thursday I had worked a $100 deposit up to $400 at Cocoa Casino and iNetBet, both of which I withdrew.

And then there was Friday​

I left work early so that I could come home and, well, gamble. I put $100 into Casino Extreme and that's when I hit the $3,227 win on Fruit Frenzy. I cashed out $3000 and it was in my Neteller within a couple of minutes. So now there was $3000 worth of "seed money" in my Neteller account. My $400 payout from Cocoa Casino arrived about an hour after my Casino Extreme withdrawal did.

I put some more money into Roxy Palace, and that's when I hit the $2000 win on a bet of $11.25 at Spring Break. I promptly entered a withdrawal for the $2000.

I put some money into Crazy Vegas and hit about $800 on Thunderstruck, I ended up withdrawing $1000.

I deposited into Desert Dollar and was playing 4-hand Deuces and Joker and hit another natural Royal Flush, this time for $4000 because I had been betting $20 total ($5 per individual hand) as opposed to Monday's royal flush which was a total bet of $5 ($1.25 per individual hand). I promptly entered a withdrawal for the $4000 after saving a screenshot.

Back at iNetBet, I hit a win of $1067 on Ronin and withdrew $1000.

At 49er I used their 100% up to $200 slots-only match bonus, which has a $6000 wagering requirement. My bankroll was down to $3.25 at one point! I had been betting big at Fruit Frenzy but had to reduce the bet to $2.50 and that's when I hit the feature, winning $280 or so. Near the end of the $6000 wagering requirement I hit an $870 win on Aladdin's Wishes from a $20 bet. When the WR was met I was left with $950 which I was tempted to try to get up to $1000 but didn't dare - so I withdrew the $950.

That's when I called it a night.

And then there was Saturday​

I woke up and put $100 into Club USA casino, and headed to Ronin for some $10 spins. I was down to $37 when I spun it again (bringing my bankroll down to $27) and that's when I hit the feature. My biggest RTG win to date. I got the feature where you get 5 spins with increasing multipliers (1x, 2x, 3x, 4x and then 5x on your 5th spin). If you're lucky enough to retrigger the feature, which you can only do once, you will get another 5 spins with multipliers of 6x, 7x, 8x, 9x and 10x on the 10th spin. I was lucky enough to retrigger the feature - on the 5th spin too. If it would let me I would have retriggered it again because I got the 2 red guy scatter symbols with the round thing in the middle a second time during the free spins but I did not receive another 5 spins. When the reels stopped spinning, that $10 bet had won $4,558.

I withdrew $4200 because I had deposited $100 the night before (and lost it quickly) plus the $100 from today, so a net profit of $4000. The rest I played with, and I hit a good feature on some other game (can't remember) so I ended up reversing the withdrawal and then cashing out $4500. They paid me the weekly limit of $3000 and the other $1500 will come next week.

All week long I had been playing at Lucky Nugget, trying very hard to win something but I just couldn't get anything. Until today. I turned a $200 deposit into $4000, mostly by playing the single-deck blackjack game.

And then came the reversals​

Too often, reversing a withdrawal has disastrous consequences. Fortunately for me, today they did not.

I reversed my $950 withdrawal at 49er Casino and played blackjack to get it to $1000.

I reversed my $4000 withdrawal at Lucky Nugget and played blackjack to get it to $5000. I was playing $200 hands of the single-deck game, and I did start to get nervous because I had dropped to around $1800 at one point.

I reversed my $4000 withdrawal at Desert Dollar and played blackjack to get it to $5000.

I reversed my $2000 withdrawal at Roxy Palace and played blackjack to get it to $4000, then a little later I reversed it again to get it up to $5000.

So that's an additional $5050 I won from reversing withdrawals. Just think, if they didn't have a holding period, they would have kept all that money.

Summary​

Before this week, I was running a net loss of $4700 over the course of the year. Right now I have $18,500 in pending withdrawals. This puts me at a net profit of $13,800 for the year - the bulk of which was acquired in only 2 days time.

When I think about the new law, I realize that there could not be a better time to have come out ahead.

I leave tomorrow morning on a business trip for a few days. By the time I come back I should have received some or most of my withdrawals, although I am bringing along a laptop so that I can play from the hotel room. Thank goodness for free wireless internet and no-download Flash versions of the casinos!

 

[SlotsWizard]

UPDATE: REVERSAL OF FORTUNE LOUNGE

I reversed the $5000 Desert Dollar withdrawal and turned it into $8500. I also placed my first ever $1000 bet tonight (and won it). That's really quite something for a low roller. It was actually a $500 bet, but I was dealt an 8 and a 3 so I doubled to $1000 and was happy to see that 10 come in! That was on that High Limit European Blackjack which is only available in the Flash version at this particular casino.

Total pending withdrawals........... $22,000
Total profit for the year.............. $17,300
The look on my face right now..... Priceless

Okay, now I need to get to bed because I have to drive 6 hours tomorrow.

 

[BobbySoxs]

odds calculation

aka23 this is an ideal post for your calculation !

offhand I calculate SJ's results as 67856565622534526337 - 1

 

[frufrugirl]

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.SlotsJunkie...........WOW..............wow wow wow. congrats!!!.........

 

[BingoT]

Keep up the great job

UPDATE: REVERSAL OF FORTUNE LOUNGE

I reversed the $5000 Desert Dollar withdrawal and turned it into $8500. I also placed my first ever $1000 bet tonight (and won it). That's really quite something for a low roller. It was actually a $500 bet, but I was dealt an 8 and a 3 so I doubled to $1000 and was happy to see that 10 come in! That was on that High Limit European Blackjack which is only available in the Flash version at this particular casino.

Total pending withdrawals........... $22,000
Total profit for the year.............. $17,300
The look on my face right now..... Priceless

Okay, now I need to get to bed because I have to drive 6 hours tomorrow.

This is very nice Congrats SlotsJunkie;
Keep up the great job

 

[EasyRhino]

SJ, that's a pretty sick week. Was most of the wagering just straight-up gambling, or where you bonus-chasing for much of it?

And I think BobbySox's odds of having that much success is a little too optimistic

 

[Pinababy69]

I actually gambled today. I played at Challenge Casino. They offer a series of deposit bonuses -- 25%, then 50%, then 100%. I've stayed away from the Casino Profit Share group because they force you to play through a 100xB FR wagering before cashing out. Unlike typically Clearplays, you cannot cash out early after a win.

I suddently played now because of affiliate payments. One cool thing about having an affiliate site is getting affiliate payments on your own play. They offer an outstanding affiliate program with a $75 CPA bonus for person who deposits $50+.

My plan for play was to deposit the minimum on the first two and the maximum on the third. Unfortunately, it seems the max bonus is based your earlier deposits, so I only received a $20 bonus on the 3rd deposit, instead of the expected $50. My results were as follows:

1. Deposit $20, receive 25% bonus... bust.

2. Deposit $20, receive 50% bonus... build it up to $60. Attempt to complete wagering on FR... bust.

3. Depost $50, receive $20 bonus... build it up to $150. Meet playthrough on FR and cash out at $125.

So my net gain/loss at Challenge Casino was +$35 +$75 CPA = +$110

And some people wonder why even reputable casinos scream bonus abuse? This is a prime example. Furthermore, it's no wonder why some casino affiliate programs are hesitant to offer CPA deals. If I thought that aka23 was going to become a regular, loyal player at this casino, I wouldn't be so angry. However, this post rings of nothing more than grabbing the first three deposit bonuses PLUS the $75 CPA for his own play.

 

[aka23]

And some people wonder why even reputable casinos scream bonus abuse? This is a prime example. Furthermore, it's no wonder why some casino affiliate programs are hesitant to offer CPA deals. If I thought that aka23 was going to become a regular, loyal player at this casino, I wouldn't be so angry. However, this post rings of nothing more than grabbing the first three deposit bonuses PLUS the $75 CPA for his own play.

There is another important reason for this play that I did not mention. Some affiliates have not recorded any of my clicks, like Powerbet. And I believe some affliates are not properly recording my signups like 888.com, the Belle Rock group, and Intercasino/VIP. To see that my click and signup is properly recorded gives me confidence that my clicks will be recorded after I add the new (for me) casino to the site. I am going to include Challenge on my site and review it according to my experiences like any other.

If I am in violation of the rules, I will almost certainly not receive the CPA credit. And if I had an exceptional experience, I would periodically play there without bonuses, like any other new player. I do continue to play periodically without bounses at King Neptune's.

 

[aka23]

UPDATE: REVERSAL OF FORTUNE LOUNGE

I reversed the $5000 Desert Dollar withdrawal and turned it into $8500. I also placed my first ever $1000 bet tonight (and won it). That's really quite something for a low roller. It was actually a $500 bet, but I was dealt an 8 and a 3 so I doubled to $1000 and was happy to see that 10 come in! That was on that High Limit European Blackjack which is only available in the Flash version at this particular casino.

Total pending withdrawals........... $22,000
Total profit for the year.............. $17,300
The look on my face right now..... Priceless

Okay, now I need to get to bed because I have to drive 6 hours tomorrow.

Wow! That is incredible! In under 1 week, you made almost as much as I have since I started gambling on Memorial Day.

DON'T REVERSE ANY MORE OF YOUR WITHDRAWLS. Cash out and spend your winnings. Congratulations!

 

[Casino Action]

Hi All,

As per our terms and conditions, this is in direct breach of our CPA and General Remuneration terms at Casino Profit Share and as such, this affiliate/player will not be paid the earnings.

Unfortunately, players/affiliates who take advantage of our CPA deals and bonus offers at the casinos, do make it difficult for us to keep offering great affiliate incentives to genuine affiliates and this type of earning behaviour will not be accepted nor tolerated within our group.

Thank you Aka for explaining how this was done, we'll be sure to keep an eye out so that we can avoid this kind of thing in the future.

All the best.

Trish
Affiliate Manager
Casino Profit Share.

I actually gambled today. I played at Challenge Casino. They offer a series of deposit bonuses -- 25%, then 50%, then 100%. I've stayed away from the Casino Profit Share group because they force you to play through a 100xB FR wagering before cashing out. Unlike typically Clearplays, you cannot cash out early after a win.

I suddently played now because of affiliate payments. One cool thing about having an affiliate site is getting affiliate payments on your own play. They offer an outstanding affiliate program with a $75 CPA bonus for person who deposits $50+.

My plan for play was to deposit the minimum on the first two and the maximum on the third. Unfortunately, it seems the max bonus is based your earlier deposits, so I only received a $20 bonus on the 3rd deposit, instead of the expected $50. My results were as follows:

1. Deposit $20, receive 25% bonus... bust.

2. Deposit $20, receive 50% bonus... build it up to $60. Attempt to complete wagering on FR... bust.

3. Depost $50, receive $20 bonus... build it up to $150. Meet playthrough on FR and cash out at $125.

So my net gain/loss at Challenge Casino was +$35 +$75 CPA = +$110

 

[frufrugirl]

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............................ooooopps!..............Me thinks AKA, you doth sayith too much?...............................................This is a good reminder that Casinos read these forums also..I cant say I blame em for this one.................sorry

 

[aka23]

Hi All,

As per our terms and conditions, this is in direct breach of our CPA and General Remuneration terms at Casino Profit Share and as such, this affiliate/player will not be paid the earnings.

Unfortunately, players/affiliates who take advantage of our CPA deals and bonus offers at the casinos, do make it difficult for us to keep offering great affiliate incentives to genuine affiliates and this type of earning behaviour will not be accepted nor tolerated within our group.

Thank you Aka for explaining how this was done, we'll be sure to keep an eye out so that we can avoid this kind of thing in the future.

All the best.

Trish
Affiliate Manager
Casino Profit Share.

Section 10.0 in the General Renumeration of the T&C states:

"10.0. While we accept that an affiliate may test/play occasionally using their personal casino account and in turn earn revenue with their affiliate account, we do not encourage the continued earning of a commission which is solely based off the revenue generated by the affiliate's personal casino play. This is considered insuring against losses and affiliates taking advantage of this will have their personal casino accounts removed from their affiliate earnings reports."

As stated above, my play falls into the "may test/play occasionally using their personal casino account and in turn earn revenue with their affiliate account." I listed the reasons for this test play earlier. It seems clear to me than I am not violating the rule stated above, as I am not "earning of a commission which is solely based off the revenue generated by the affiliate's personal casino play." Nevertheless, if you are calling this a violation, then it won't happen again.

Regards

 

[WAYLANDER]

I am all for bonuses..infact my site is based around them, and i will always be on the players side when i see posts here about casino's not adhering to their own Terms and Conditions.
But what you have done is just plain wrong!
As a new affiliate i have recently been looking at lots of affiliate schemes, and i havent come across one that will pay out on the affiliates play.
I find it hard to believe as someone who is promoting bonus hunting, and who supposedly should have a good grasp of T&Cs that you failed to realise this.
As the affiliate manager stated, behaviour like this just makes it harder for us struggling new affiliates, who could do with a couple of CPA deals to help at the beginning.

WAYLANDER

 

[aka23]

As a new affiliate i have recently been looking at lots of affiliate schemes, and i havent come across one that will pay out on the affiliates play.
I find it hard to believe as someone who is promoting bonus hunting, and who supposedly should have a good grasp of T&Cs that you failed to realise this.

Did you read my quote from the T&C above? According to the T&C, this group permits "test/play occasionally using their personal casino account and in turn earn revenue with their affiliate account", so long as the affiliate does not continue "earning of a commission which is solely based off the revenue generated by the affiliate's personal casino play."

 

[WAYLANDER]

I would read that rule as you could occasionally play at the casino to test new games/links etc.
I admit it surprises me they will pay out on even that play as all the others i have looked at dont ( i havent looked at this program yet )
But i certainly wouldnt interpret that as a reason to claim the CPA
Seriously.. if they pay out $75 CPA on a $50 deposit to their own affiliates then it would pay every player who was gonna sign up to become an affiliate 1st, once word got around they would be the most heavily affiliated site on the net!

WAYLANDER

 

[aka23]

I would read that rule as you could occasionally play at the casino to test new games/links etc.
I admit it surprises me they will pay out on even that play as all the others i have looked at dont ( i havent looked at this program yet )
But i certainly wouldnt interpret that as a reason to claim the CPA
Seriously.. if they pay out $75 CPA on a $50 deposit to their own affiliates then it would pay every player who was gonna sign up to become an affiliate 1st, once word got around they would be the most heavily affiliated site on the net!

WAYLANDER

The rule states "may test/play occasionally." If there is ever a time to test a casino, it is when you have never played there. How can I recommend a casino on my site, if I have not played there? While playing the bonus, I learned a lot of important information that I will list on the site, such as being credited the 3rd deposit bonus based on my mimumum deposit among the first three. Another good reason for test play is to confirm that affiliate signups are recorded as expected. Also note that I deposited $90, more than the value of the CPA; and I came within 1 bet of losing all $90.

$75 CPA is certainly not the highest. There are some websites that pay out $75 to players for signing up through certain links, as their affiliate CPA is well over $75. Note that giving players sign-up kickbacks clearly violates the T&C at Casino Profit Share, as well as most others.

 

[TheBloke]

From the Casino Profit Share CPA terms:

9.13.(a) If, as determined by our fraud department, the majority of your referrals are:

* promotion abusers (players who only play for a small amount of bets and then cash out with all or part of the promotional bonus either within or outside of the promotional rules) or,

9.15. An affiliate may not abuse the CPA program in an attempt to insure their losses against casino play/opportunistic bonus play. We reserve the right to revert an affiliate's CPA earnings to Revenue Share or suspend the affiliate account in whole where this is seen to have taken place.

You are in breach of both of those, and posting about your actions publically was bizarely stupid.

I hope that CPS suspends your entire account and does not just revert you to Revenue Share. Fraudulent affiliates are a blight in an already highly troubled market.

 

[WAYLANDER]

The rule states "may test/play occasionally." If there is ever a time to test a casino, it is when you have never played there. How can I recommend a casino on my site, if I have not played there? Another good reason for test play is to confirm that affiliate signups are recorded as expected. Also note that I deposited $90, more than the value of the CPA; and I came within 1 bet of losing all $90.

Sign up through another link like the rest of us.

If you are that concerned, a " guest " account would of done the same job.

In your mind you came within 1 bet of losing $15 !

Even if you felt the need to absolutely have an account their through your own link, why claim the CPA.... did it not strike you as wrong?

WAYLANDER

 

[aka23]

From the Casino Profit Share CPA terms:

You are in breach of both of those, and posting about your actions publically was bizarely stupid.

9.13 refers to the majority of referrals. My play will not be the majority of my referrals, so I am clearly not in violation of this rule.

9.15 is debatable. I deposited more than the value of the CPA and was risking my own funds. The 10.0 rules are more explicit and more clearly permit my play.

I hope that CPS suspends your entire account and does not just revert you to Revenue Share. Fraudulent affiliates are a blight in an already highly troubled market.

Calm down. It's only $75. I'm a new player at the casino, and I will be bringing plenty of other new players. This is not a "fradulent affiliate" situation. Look at my signature. I have a legitimate site that brings in a large number of new players to the casinos I rank highly.

 

[aka23]

Sign up through another link like the rest of us.

If you are that concerned, a " guest " account would of done the same job.

In your mind you came within 1 bet of losing $15 !

Even if you felt the need to absolutely have an account their through your own link, why claim the CPA.... did it not strike you as wrong?

WAYLANDER

One important reason that a non-referral link would not be adequate is to confirm that my signups are recorded properly, as I believe a good number of groups do not record them correctly. I played knowing that if I was in violation of the rules, I would most likely not receive the CPA at the end of the month.

 

[aka23]

I have gained ~$2000 in the past 24 hours (while playing without affiliate credits)! Thanks so much to the player who sent me the PM that triggered this! I won't go into much depth, but I will mention that my cummulative gain at King Neptune's is almost $3000 now. I am going to wait until I receive cashouts before playing more. I completely exhausted by Neteller account by depositing at 9 casinos. I had already withdrawn most of my Neteller funds due to uncertainty about US transactions.

I also drew 5 scatters for the first time. This occurred on my 5th spin. If only I had bet more than 20 cents.

So my net gain is about $25,000 now. I wasn't sure if I was going to maintain my $5k per month average. After today, I got there a week early.

 

[j8chan]

i'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but why only play one line,
are u just going for scatters? scatters count even if you don't play every line?

 

[aka23]

i'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but why only play one line,
are u just going for scatters? scatters count even if you don't play every line?

Not a dumb question at all, especially since I was playing a game with a progressive jackpot only on the 15th line. After I make a big win on a Clearplay bonus or other unique strategy, I play some min bet hands on other games. I selected Major Millions because it was one of the only slots I had downloaded, and I didn't want to wait to download a new game. I only bet 1 line, as that was the minimum bet. In Major Millions, 5 scatters pays 50x your bet size, regardless of if they are on a selected line or not.

 

[aka23]

I heard back from Montana about my Palace of Change dispute again:

"Dear #,

Final findings have been sent to the operator. This is the operators opportunity to respond against our ruling, or to resolve this claim internally.

Thank you,
The Player Dispute Team"

That sounds promising. However, I suspect its going to drag out for a while.

 

[aka23]

Good news from GoldBetting as well. A month ago or so I deposited $250 at GoldBetting and received a $500 bonus. On the surface, this sounded like a good offer with fair wagering. However, it is quite obvious that the Wager21 SW cheats. Last time I played at Wager21 bonus, I came out slightly ahead after receiveing the bonus, in spite of the SW. The casino never replied to my screenshots and explanation of the odds of the screenshots happening randomly.

This time I did much worse, winning almost no hands in Pai Gow. I tried to win my money back in baccarat, and was successfull to a good extent. After playing baccarat the cashier secton showing how much I had left to wager disappeared. I wasn't sure what this meant, and I didn't want to risk playing through the bonus until I had an explanation and receievd confirmation that I would receive the bonus after completing the playthrough. Wager21 did not reply to my emails. Most were returned as undeliverable. There is no live chat or phone support. After a couple weeks, I decided to cash out and take them $60 loss without meeting the playthrough. I was suprirsed to see that my bonus remained after the cashout (without completing playthrough) and I had converted most of the bonus to cash. I cashed out the full cash portion and converted the rest to cash by playing through 1x and cashing out each win. I went from an expected loss of -$60 to a gain of +$350.

While I did come out ahead, I'd urge others to be extremly cautions of the Wager21 group. The SW almost certainly cheats; it is extremely difficult to reach support; and they use Direct Net Pay for withdrawls(no Neteller), which is one of the worst payment services I have ever experienced.

 

[aka23]

I'm up to a net gain of about $27,000 now. My gain loss list is below. Comments indicate changes during the month of October.

Gains of $500 or greater
1. King Neptune's: +~$3000 (Increase)
2. Jupiter Club: +$1950 (Increase)
3. Winward: +~$1750 (Estimate)
4. Casino.net: +~$1500 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
5. 888.com: +$1160 (Increase, US Players Banned)
6. Bella Vegas: +$1075 (Increase)
7. CasinoShare: +$825 (Increase)
8. Shark Casino: +$820
9. Palace of Chance: +$800 (Estimate)
10. Sun Vegas: +$775 (Increase)
11. Venetian (B&M Casino): +$750
11. USA Casino: +$750
11. Casino Euro: +$750 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
14. Intercasino: +$700 (Decrease?!, US Players Banned)
15. Maple: +~$700 (New)
16. Casino Vega: +$660
17. Golden Rivera: +$600
18. Powerbet: +$600
19. Golden Reef: +$550 (Increase)
20. Nine.com: +$530
21. Littlewoods: +$510 (US Players Banned)

Losses of $100 or greater
1. Virtual Casino -$400 (New)
2. Slots Royale: -$350
3. Connecto: -$300
4. Luck N Roll: -$250
5. Villento: -$200 (Decreased, Smaller Loss)
6. Online Casino: -$190
7. Cinema Casino: -$150 (Decreased, Smaller Loss)
8. Crazy Vegas: -$125 (Increased, Larger Loss)
9. Omni Casino: -$100
9. Kiwi Casino: -$100
9. Casino US: -$100
9. Player's Club (Boss): -$100 (New)

 

[jerrylee]

aka23, interesting records you have there.

Did you actually bet the whole or half your bankroll in some of them, as some players advise?

Also, what kind of bankroll are you working with to drum up $3000 gains at Neptune for example.
It would be nice to know more about the strategies/games you played for the various bigger wins.

Did you stick with aggressive play on sticky and MG clearplays?

So far, in my own limited experience with a mini bankroll, in 7 weeks at 10 casinos (some 3-4 hour a day sessions), I've gained twice at Live BJ, once at 2 Playtechs, once at 2 Cryptos, but lost my deposits 4/4 times at MGs. This week I lost the deposit twice using aggressive wagers at Vegas Strip and Atlantic City single player BJ, basic strategy.

My best results to date were low stakes $1-10 multi hand and Live BJ @ a Playtech.

Looks like after some more practice, a visit to the local B&M is in order. Despite the popularity of MG with its playcheck feature and all ..I do get the feeling Playtech, Crypto or live are more legit than MG's RNG. Time will tell if my MG cold streak continues. I have to wonder why so many casinos have signed up with MicroGaming, could it be that the odds are more in the house's favour than the other software? God forbid the house edge is higher than the expected 0.5% BJ...

 

[aka23]

I bet half my bankroll on ACBJG on most of the Clearplays. I played in GBP at King Neptune's. There is a screenshot of my winning 400GBP ($750) bet on a hand of ACBJG in this thread. I also won with additional bonus offers and play without bonuses. I have come out ahead just about every time I've played at King Neptune's.

Those are interesting observations. My feelings on MG are reversed. I trust MG more than all other SW, and I have won far more with MG than all other SW. I have won significantly more half/full bankroll bets than expected.

As an affiliate, I can often look up the gains/losses of referred players. The results with referred players using the Jackpot Factory group are below. I chose Jackpot Factory because they have more detailed stats than other groups, not because of abnormal results.

Wild Jack: +$225 (expected = $80)
All Jackpots: +$175 (expected = $135)
All Slots: +$75 (expected = $75 or $105, depending on bonus)
First Web: +$50 (expected =$60)

All the results are reasonably close to expectations except for Wild Jack. I've had about 20 signups at Wild Jacks in the past two weeks, and the majority of those gained more than $200. I cannot explain why this occurred, as Wild Jack has the worst bonus of the four.

I can also look up game play with JF. At JF casinos, the most common strategy used by referred players was betting everything on a hand of Baccarat. Next most common was betting big on ACBJ. Some played through on FR without betting first. Others played Pontoon, slots, 3 card poker, or something unexpected.

Results with other casinos show similar results, in which there is a net player gain on Clearplay signup bonuses.

 

[aka23]

Cool Cat finally paid me today. It's been well over a month. They offered me a no playthrough bonus between 100-200%, depending on how much you deposit. I only deposited $50 and busted. Next they gave me a double your deposit, double your bonus offer. For me this was a 300% no playthrough bonus on a $100 deposit. I took the offer and cashed out with a decent gain. Two weeks went by, then I found my withdrawl was returned to my account. Support told me it was an error and to try again. Another two weeks went by, and again my withdrawl was returned to my account. Support told me the person processing withdrwals made a mistake about the playthrough and game restrictions, and I should try my withdrawl again. The third one finally went through. 300% with no playthrough is a great bonus, but its such a hassle to get paid from this group.

 

[EasyRhino]

aka, few things:

a) Ironically, I've cashed out twice from coolcat now, and both were pretty prompt. The first was five business days, the second only one. Both were limited or zero-playthrough bonuses for fairly small dollar amounts, for what it's worth. Oh, and I did bust out on my (larger) signup bonus, so maybe they like me

b) How much of you recent winning are due to affiliate bonuses? It may not be completely "fair" to include those in your numbers, because an Average Joe such as myself can't really take advantage of those...

c) I honestly do think you've been a bit lucky through this whole escapade. I've only been bonus-hustlin' for a couple of months - and probably not as many hours as you - but I've hit up a lot of the juicy offers, and I'm only up - maybe - $2000. I tend to get demolished on lots of sticky bonuses.

 

[aka23]

aka, few things:

a) Ironically, I've cashed out twice from coolcat now, and both were pretty prompt. The first was five business days, the second only one. Both were limited or zero-playthrough bonuses for fairly small dollar amounts, for what it's worth. Oh, and I did bust out on my (larger) signup bonus, so maybe they like me

Given their history, you are one of the lucky ones. Knowing that you were consistently paid makes me more likely to try again.

b) How much of you recent winning are due to affiliate bonuses? It may not be completely "fair" to include those in your numbers, because an Average Joe such as myself can't really take advantage of those...

My net gain is up to about $28,500. With or without affiliate bonuses, the total is still ~$28,500. Affiliate bonuses are a minor contribution to my total because I had already played at almost all casinos that I list on the website where I am eligible to play, and most casinos pay affiliates by percentage of net casino win while my referred players usually have a net win over the casino.

c) I honestly do think you've been a bit lucky through this whole escapade. I've only been bonus-hustlin' for a couple of months - and probably not as many hours as you - but I've hit up a lot of the juicy offers, and I'm only up - maybe - $2000. I tend to get demolished on lots of sticky bonuses.

Yes, I no doubt have been lucky. There have been 3 extremely lucky events that greatly influenced my online gambling history. I've mentioned these before:

1. Winning $750 on the one spin I made on my final day at Vegas. This inspired me to begin online gambling.

2. Winning $1300? on my first bonus at casino.net. I deposited $800 for a $200 bonus, played $25 hands and used an incorrect strategy table (single deck instead of multi deck). I was very likely to bust, instead I more than doubled my $800 deposit. This inspired me to do more sign up bonuses and get more into online gambling.

3. Winning ~$1300 on my first giant bet Clearplay bonus. This was at King Neptune's. I have a picture of the BJ hand where I bet 400GBP = $750 on the top of the page at

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

. I won the rest while playing through on French Roulette.

 

[aka23]

I met my goal of finishing the month with a net gain of more than $30,000. That's an average gain of about $6,000 per month since I started gambling! My updated top gains and losses list is at the bottom of the page. Changes during the month of October are marked.

I've gone in depth about my wins and good decisions many times. I'll elaborate on my losses and bad decisions for a change this time. All of the top 6 losses relate to mistakes. If these losses were removed, I'd only have 4 losses of $100+ with the largest being $140. A summary is below:

#1: -$400 at Virtual. The sign up bonus I took had minimum deposit of $250. Most would consider risking $250 for a 100% no playthrough at a casino like Virtual a bad idea. However, I didn't stop there. I tried again on a second worse sign up bonus and busted again.

#2: -$350 at Slots Royale. A screenshot of my losing hand is attached. I bet my full balance of $175 and drew a pair of 8s against a 5. I deposited another $175 to split and drew another pair of 8s. That increased the bet to $475. Unfortunately I lost. I have a history of losing such splits much more than statisically expected. Regardless of history, I should not have deposited over and over, reducing my bonus to a small percentage of my total bet.

#3: -$300 at Connecto. I should not have deposited here in the first place.

#4: -$250 at Luck N Roll. Again, I should not have deposited here in the first place. This was one of the first casinos I played at, before I knew about their history.

#5: -$200 at Villento. I foolishly chased a big loss on their weekly bonus. I deposite over and over, and lost over and over. I foolishly wanted to go out on a win. By the time the win came, I had increased my losses by several hundered dollars. Villento went from a +$500 gain to #1 on my loss list over the course of a few weeks (I had a bad history on their weekly bonus). I've decreased the loss to $200 in recent weeks. This is the loss I regret the most and one of the most foolish decisions I have ever made in my gambling career.

#6 -$190 at Onlne Casino. I was fortunate enough to get a second quality bonus from the Casino Blasters group -- 250%. I even had approval from support to play in GBP, making my expecetd gain over $400. After having such a great history with big bets at Microgaming, I tried to bet half the bankroll early. This strategy increased my expected return slightly due to the high playthrough. I only made two bets -- both losses. The slight increase in expected gain was not worth the high risk of a loss, especially since there was a sigificant chance of my winnings being removed during cashout.


Gains of $500 or greater
1. King Neptune's: +~$3000 (Increase)
2. Jupiter Club: +$1950 (Increase)
3. Winward: +~$1500 or +~$2000
4. Casino.net: +~$1500 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
5. 888.com: +$1160 (Increase, US Players Banned)
6. Bella Vegas: +$1075 (Increase)
7. CasinoShare: +$825 (Increase)
8. Shark Casino: +$820
9. Palace of Chance: +$800 (Estimate)
10. Sun Vegas: +$775 (Increase)
11. Venetian (B&M Casino): +$750
11. USA Casino: +$750 (US Players Banned)
11. Casino Euro: +$750 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
14. Intercasino: +$700 (Decrease?!, US Players Banned)
15. Maple: +~$700 (New)
16. Casino Vega: +$660
17. Golden Rivera: +$600
17. River Belle: +~$600 (New)
17. Powerbet: +$600 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
20. Golden Reef: +$550 (Increase)
21. Nine.com: +$530
22. Littlewoods: +$510 (US Players Banned)

Losses of $100 or greater
1. Virtual Casino -$400 (New)
2. Slots Royale: -$350
3. Connecto: -$300
4. Luck N Roll: -$250
5. Villento: -$200 (Decreased, Smaller Loss)
6. Online Casino: -$190
7. Cinema Casino: -$140 (Decreased, Smaller Loss)
8. Omni Casino: -$100
8. Kiwi Casino: -$100
8. Player's Club (Boss): -$100 (New)

 

[EasyRhino]

Aka, I wouldn't think that some of your mistakes were really mistakes, just bad luck.

1) A $250 risk for a $250 bonus is pretty standard if you're a bigshot bonus hustler. Heck, you risked $250 at CasinoShare, didn't you? The only difference was that it paid off at the other place. I'm not too sure about the second bonus you chased, but was it at least +EV?

2) Splitting 8's against a 5 is a terrific move, from both a basic strategy a bonus hustling standpoint. Too bad it didn't work out.

6) Wait, were you trying to grind out a wagering requirement... with half-bankroll bets? For a sticky, that would be a good play, but if you were grinding out the WR, that would be a pretty dopey move. I'll have to agree with you there.

 

[aka23]

Aka, I wouldn't think that some of your mistakes were really mistakes, just bad luck.

1) A $250 risk for a $250 bonus is pretty standard if you're a bigshot bonus hustler. Heck, you risked $250 at CasinoShare, didn't you? The only difference was that it paid off at the other place. I'm not too sure about the second bonus you chased, but was it at least +EV?

True, but there is a big difference between risking a large first deposit at a quality Microgaming casino and a former-rouge RTG casino. Risking that much at a casino like Virtual is a questionable decision, even if the bonus is +EV. The second bonus was also +EV, but not by much.

2) Splitting 8's against a 5 is a terrific move, from both a basic strategy a bonus hustling standpoint. Too bad it didn't work out.

With those extra deposits, I reduced the bonus percentage from 75% of my deposit to less than 30% of my deposits. I was risking $550 on a $150 bonus. Even with a pair of 8s against a 5, there's a good chance of losing all $550. While statisically it was the correct decision, I would never deposit over and over like that again.

6) Wait, were you trying to grind out a wagering requirement... with half-bankroll bets? For a sticky, that would be a good play, but if you were grinding out the WR, that would be a pretty dopey move. I'll have to agree with you there.

A clearplay bonus is also cashable. Your EV increases with the sticky bet because you are expected to lose the bonus as you play through. By betting the bonus before you playthrough, you average in the full value of the bonus. The EV of 0.2xB on FR becomes (1 + 0.2)/2 = 0.6xB.

It's the same idea with other bonuses where you are expected to lose a good chunk of the bonus while playing through. In this case, I increased average bonus retention from ~85% of bonus to a little over 90% of bonus. That was a huge risk for such a small gain. I agree that it was a dumb move.

 

[EasyRhino]

Oh, I hadn't realize that you had gone into your pocket to split those 8's. Yes, that's a tougher decision. I did a similar move once to add an additional $75 for a doubledown which ended up losing.

But still, in my case, I had the question of if I wanted to risk $75 for a 70% chance of winning it. The answer would probably be yes again. In your case, it might have been more of like a $550 risk for a 65% chance of winning. The math still says yes, but I can definitely see how risk aversion might have been the better play...

... but not with your bankroll!!

 

[aka23]

I'm up to ~$31,500 now. I used to look forward to all the monthly bonuses at the start of each month. I'm not going to spend much time on monthly bonuses this month. All the Cryptologic casinos have banned US Players, 32 Red banned US players, 888 banned US players, Casino Euro banned me from receiving bonuses, Cherry banned me from receving bonuses, and Grand Prive stopped giving me bonus offers. At least there is still Casinoshare. The Trident group offered me a bonus as well.

 

[pangloss]

I'm up to ~$31,500 now. I used to look forward to all the monthly bonuses at the start of each month. I'm not going to spend much time on monthly bonuses this month. All the Cryptologic casinos have banned US Players, 32 Red banned US players, 888 banned US players, Casino Euro banned me from receiving bonuses, Cherry banned me from receving bonuses, and Grand Prive stopped giving me bonus offers. At least there is still Casinoshare. The Trident group offered me a bonus as well.

I'm not surprised they stopped you getting monthly bonuses - you've flogged 'em like a dead donkey.

$31,500 geez - you know there is a thread on here where (supposed) players are advocating not taking bonuses 'cos they are too much trouble. I think your gambling log makes them feel uncomfortable.


...

 

[soflat]

$31,500 geez - you know there is a thread on here where (supposed) players are advocating not taking bonuses 'cos they are too much trouble. I think your gambling log makes them feel uncomfortable....

I think it makes players who like bonuses really uncomfortable. Just look at what has happened to the bonus landscape over the past 2 years.

 

[aka23]

I'm not surprised they stopped you getting monthly bonuses - you've flogged 'em like a dead donkey.

$31,500 geez - you know there is a thread on here where (supposed) players are advocating not taking bonuses 'cos they are too much trouble. I think your gambling log makes them feel uncomfortable.
...

I think it makes players who like bonuses really uncomfortable. Just look at what has happened to the bonus landscape over the past 2 years.

I'm up to ~$32,500 now. I didn't see the thread, but I expect that the problem was either players who favor high-variance games choosing bonuses with wagering requirements, or bonuses having unfavorable rules. One positive change in the bonus landscape over the past two years is Microgaming Clearplay bonuses. Under typical implementation, players can withdraw winnings at any point and play all games, so there is no downside to taking the bonus. Approximately half of my winnings occurred while playing Clearplay bonuses.

 

[aka23]

As posted elsewhere, I recently found 7 double Neteller charges in my history. These are failed transactions that were charged in Neteller and not received at the casino. The total loss was near $700. I have recovered the first $200 and am confident I will eventually recover the rest. This log will be essential for identifying the casino where some of the older charges occurred. It is not always obvious by the Neteller name (example: early September Interpay double charge).

Other recent changes include being unbanned from the Jackpot Factory group, and being unbanned from receiving bounses with the Casino Rewards group.

I'm up to a net gain of nearly $35,000 now. My updated gains/losses list is below. Changes during the month of November are marked as increased/decreased.

Gains of $500 or greater
1. King Neptune's: +~$3000
2. Jupiter Club: +$1950 (No more bonus offers?)
3. Winward: +~$1550 (Increase, lowered estimate)
4. Casino.net: +~$1500 (US Players Banned)
5. 888.com: +$1160 (US Players Banned)
6. Bella Vegas: +$1075 (No more bonus offers?)
7. CasinoShare: +$925 (Increase)
8. Shark Casino: +$820
9. Palace of Chance: +$800 (Estimate)
10. Sun Vegas: +$775
11. Venetian (B&M Casino): +$750
11. USA Casino: +$750 (US Players Banned)
11. Casino Euro: +$750 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
14. Intercasino: +$700 (US Players Banned)
15. Maple: +~$700
16. Casino Vega: +$660
17. Golden Rivera: +$600
17. River Belle: +~$600
17. Powerbet: +$600 (Banned from receiving bonuses)
17. Thunderluck: +$600 (New)
21. Golden Reef: +$550
22. Nine.com: +$530
23. Littlewoods: +$510 (US Players Banned)
24. All Slots: +$500 (New)
24. Vegas USA: +$500 (New)

Losses of $100 or greater
1. Virtual Casino -$400
2. Slots Royale: -$350
3. Connecto: -$300
4. Luck N Roll: -$250
5. Villento: -$200
6. Online Casino: -$190
7. Cinema Casino: -$140
8. Omni Casino: -$100
8. Kiwi Casino: -$100
8. Player's Club (Boss): -$100

 

[ALUU]

with the nature of this industry and considering what site you're posting on, making this whole log has to be one of the more stupid things here.

 

[aka23]

with the nature of this industry and considering what site you're posting on, making this whole log has to be one of the more stupid things here.

I see you started posting on this site a few minutes ago, so I'm guessing you haven't read through the full log. I've discussed reasons for the log several times. Obvious benefits include being a valuable source of information for myself and for others, and insuring that I take more time to write out and think about my gambling choices. One simple reason I have not mentioned, is it makes gambling more enjoyable for me. A recent unexpected benefit is being able to track my gambling and figure out at which casinos the Neteller double charges occurred. There have been many other unexpected benefits. Without this log, I doubt that I would have started my website. I would not have started making large wins with Clearplay bonuses until much later. Clearplays account for roughly half of my gains. Regarding the choice of the log here and not elsewhere, this is the first gambling forum that I posted on and my favored gambling forum.

The only negative consequence I am aware of with the log, is the CPS incident, which in my opinon has been greatly overblown. I expect that the same financial outcome (one CPA not credited) would have occurred whether or not the log existed. The log made me aware of the problem quickly, and insured that no similar problems would occur.

 

[EasyRhino]

How did you get unbanned from both groups?