New Slot Announcement Extra Chilli, BTG

[snorky510238]

Ok well I've played it & can confirm it's bullshit. There is no possible way that this gamble is truly 50/50 i would say its biased & pretty much like lots of online so called random games results i think your find all of these games are compensated & predetermined. Yer it may upset loads of you but it's pretty much fact that we are not getting a fair game.

Online has now become so bad I have now decided to quit playing altogether & just left two accounts open. So bye bye online)

Yeah people can defend it all they want.I used to play FOBTS and there is no doubt they are total bs and even though my online career is relatively short you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to realise exactly the same principles apply.

 

[slotter999]

@snorky510238 Now that you've discovered it's all predetermined and BS - will you stop playing or will you continue?

 

[snorky510238]

@snorky510238 Now that you've discovered it's all predetermined and BS - will you stop playing or will you continue?

I am pretty much at the stage I got to when I knocked FOBTS on the head.Recently I have only been low rolling anyway.10 or 20p stakes but can't get much enjoyment out of that.I play poker at a b+m casino but have given up playing slots there too as the % payout is much lower.As I have mentioned in the past if your going to play slots I think the best return is online probably because they have to counteract the fact you don't get paid immediately in cash and other things you don't get playing live.However the similarities to FOBTS is making me think twice about investing to much time and money right now.

 

[theapple]

Its a good slot that i will be playing very often.

I will buy many features and gamble them all away. I even lost only 5 out of 7 features but those 2 were well worth the wait.

First was 16 spins and 2nd i took someones advice and played 8 spins because thats the way to go.

16 spins

and 8 spins, which wasnt all that bad

i will continue buying features for days and months to come. Definitely one for my regular slots list. Good slot btg. i like it.

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Took the last couple days to buy 100 features and record the outcome just to see the results

22/100 features gambled with success. Which is a 22% success rate.
All gambles were one spin each
Largest amount of spins is 16
Largest win 147x
smallest win 0.43x

My conclusion after 100 feature buys is I was running very poorly. I feel if I did another 100 buy my results would at least be a bit better.

Will do 12+ gambles and see the results. May take me a few weeks.

 

[mcgameboy]

Jesus those are absolutely horrific results Billy. Utterly deplorable. Disgustingly vomit-inducing.

I've only spent (and obviously lost! ) £60 on this slot. And I didn't even consider gambling any of the very few features I got. I'm feeling extremely and happily comfortable with the idea of quitting this game for good while behind.

Usually, I'm all for the idea of overlooking a bad first impression and giving a game another chance to win me over. Not this one. This game is vileness personified.

 

[shadow123]

To put it into perspective what level were you attempting to gamble the spins to?
I had a run of 8 losses just gambling to 12 spins,which is a 256 to 1 chance,
bad considering I have not bought many features.very wary of this slot now

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Jesus those are absolutely horrific results Billy. Utterly deplorable. Disgustingly vomit-inducing.

I've only spent (and obviously lost! ) £60 on this slot. And I didn't even consider gambling any of the very few features I got. I'm feeling extremely and happily comfortable with the idea of quitting this game for good while behind.

Usually, I'm all for the idea of overlooking a bad first impression and giving a game another chance to win me over. Not this one. This game is vileness personified.

Yeah thank god it was on the lowest stake possible

All gambles were just one spin of the wheel. Just curious to see my success rate per each upgrade @shadow123

Like I said it will probably take awhile to compile that data and am just doing it for fun. A bit expensive even at those stakes but I got a really good win on break da bank again so its ok to mess around with some

 

[Lincolnuk]

Buy features, Dont Buy features..... The slots just a bit of junk. After Bonanza this is just a massive step backwards.

 

[Tengil]

So the gamble feature is rigged. Or are pie gambles allowed to misrepresent that much?

 

[shadow123]

No way should have given that many losing runs on a 50/50.

 

[lockinlove]

Reading everyones comments in here about their success rate on the gamble I have a very very hard time believing it is anywhere near 50/50

Id like to see another 100 done at that level instead of upgrading. Get a bit of a sample size in case it was just a bad run. But again I dont think it is considering everyone elses posts in here about it. My result was pretty bad too from the gamble feature.

 

[TheAddict]

Remember billy. When the fun stops, stop.
Good luck with the next part of your mission as surely there's no doubt you're obviously having a crackin good time for your buck, after looking at those stats.

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Remember billy. When the fun stops, stop.
Good luck with the next part of your mission as surely there's no doubt you're obviously having a crackin good time for your buck, after looking at those stats.

Yeah for sure. Will try it and see how it goes and if its going shit after a few id probably just end up tossing it. I have nothing to prove, Ive just seen alot of comments saying that its not 50/50 and 60/40 so figured ive give it a go and see what it looked like

 

[theapple]

so far in real play im 4/17 from 8 to 12 and it will probably remain that way because i dont plan on playing it ever again. on the other hand im yet to fail a 12 to 16 upgrade though. 4 attempts all 4 were good. 3 times from 8 - 12 - 16 and once from 12 - 16. Small sample i know but 8 to 12 definitely doesnt feel like 50 - 50. I dont think ive seen anyone with 5 wins in a row while 5 losses in a row is pretty common it seems?

also tried it on day one in play mode on LV and i dont think ive failed 12 to 16 there either. Bought quite a few features, tried some 8 - 12 - 16 - 20 and it really feels like 8 spins features are not worth trying at all so i can see why btg made 8 to 12 gamble the way it is.

its all irrelevant for me anyways just posting it so other people who havent tried it yet can get a feeling of what it plays like and how dangerous it is to play this thing.

And one last thing, compared to bonanza getting feature really doesnt feel any easier because base game of this one was much worse to me than bonanza is on its bad day plus getting 8 spins feature means nothing, so theres that.
It might take less spins to get it, but in the end you are going to loose just as much, if not more, and for what its worth you might not end up with a feature at all. Either that or you will have to play your 8 spins and hope for at least 50x from it, which from my experience doesnt happen all that often at all.

tldr: crap slot with dubious design decisions made to tilt you into buying more features. wont be playing it ever again.
all thats missing is a 40000x win that btg had to recreate themselves because player forgot to take a screenie :=o

 

[lockinlove]

I wouldnt dump more money into if you want to mess around with how often you win the gamble. Cant you just buy the feature in play money? Never tried fake money so I dont know. But since you havent lost a mountain load on min bets I would stop now and just do it for fun if you want to post the outcomes. Try 100 in fun mode and see what it does imo

 

[aceking123]

I wouldnt dump more money into if you want to mess around with how often you win the gamble. Cant you just buy the feature in play money? Never tried fake money so I dont know. But since you havent lost a mountain load on min bets I would stop now and just do it for fun if you want to post the outcomes. Try 100 in fun mode and see what it does imo

Ive tried this prior to playing it in real money , yes you guessed its gimped , the fun play was great betting it upto 24 spins fairly often never went more than 3 gambles of losses , tried this in real money , i dont have say much more. its just not right.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Interesting.. My blue wheel was the opposite of yours, losing probably 75/100 whereas green was OK.. Definitely need bigger samples.

 

[KasinoKing]

So the gamble feature is rigged. Or are pie gambles allowed to misrepresent that much?

On most "pie gambles" as you put it, the wheel does NOT represent the true odds off any chosen outcome occurring.

But on this particular game, I would have never have expected the wheel to be weighted, when the software can predetermine what you win regardless of the number of free-spins anyway, so I find Billy's results truly shocking!

KK

 

[brianmon]

On most "pie gambles" as you put it, the wheel does NOT represent the true odds off any chosen outcome occurring.

But on this particular game, I would have never have expected the wheel to be weighted, when the software can predetermine what you win regardless of the number of free-spins anyway, so I find Billy's results truly shocking!

KK

According to @trancemonkey. the odds have to be representative of what's shown.

According to just about every jurisdiction, any gamble must be true odds. If you show something as a 50/50 gamble then it MUST be a 50/50 gamble unless otherwise stated in the rules. I'm fact some don't even allow it to NOT be true odds...

Obviously things like Rizk's wheel doesn't have to be. But that's not a gamble situation, within a licensed game

 

[KasinoKing]

According to @trancemonkey. the odds have to be representative of what's shown.

I think very much not!
Try to find where he said that...

KK

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I think very much not!
Try to find where he said that...

KK

My guess is he's referring to the traditional Black/Red gambles.
Obviously the wheel doesn't need to be accurate otherwise we'd all have won the Mega Moolah jackpot 100 times over by now.

However I think if the wheels in this game are weighted differently than displayed that is indeed unethical, if not illegal.

 

[Big Time Gaming]

We would like to confirm that the make up of the wheel does indeed reflect the true value RTP.
This would be a compliance issue (if we were not to display this) in Canada where we license games to the British Columbian Lottery and Lotto Quebec.

Another compliance ruling in Extra Chilli is The Danish Gambling Authority along with other jurisdictional authorities, stipulated that we state the best strategy in the help, which in this case is to Gamble with the wheel. However, you need to remember that the difference is as small increase in RTP and if you collect 8 consistently the RTP is 96.15% it's just less volatile. Whether you lose or win on the wheel the RTP remains the same, long term.

The Wheel

The first spin is 50/50 and all proceeding gambles are 60/40 odds on.
However on subsequent gambles the odds diminish to roughly a 1 in 10 chance of getting to 24 from 8.

0.5 x 0.6 x 0.6 x 0.6 = 0.108 or 1 in 10

With a natural scatter +4 it's 1 in 5 etc...
You can work out the others by adding/removing the wheel progressions.

The principle of the gamble is for players to push up the games volatility or not. A great deal of criticism in the Bonanza thread, was more often than not to do with the free spin frequency, where individuals stated they would like to see the feature more and wouldn't mind if it paid less (I'll have a look for the exact quote later). We have delivered the latter but we have also offered players something new, an option to raise the stakes and play a higher volatility bonus game or not.

With Extra Chilli you have a great deal more options and comparing it to Bonanza is a little bit like comparing apples and oranges. It's like comparing Rainbow Riches to Dead or Alive because that are both 3x5.

Just for the sake of argument, this morning, I donned my tin foil hat, flipped a coin ten times over 20 sessions to see how many it took to get a result of 5 heads/5 tails... after 20 groups of 10 I gave up trying realising that the coin was indeed rigged!

My last 4 results...

17) 1121211111 - 80% Heads
18) 1121212222 - 60% Heads (closest)
19) 1222222222 - 10% Heads
20) 1111211122 - 70% Heads - gave up!

However if you look at the bold section between 19 and 20 - I achieved 50/50 - just not during my set sessions.

As always, happy to answer any other questions.

Big Time Gaming official

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Thanks for the clarification - excellent player support. And as noted obviously we need larger samples however I can't imagine it's rigged now that you've flat-out denied it- just that I and some others have had some phenomenally unlucky runs.

 

[trancemonkey]

I think very much not!
Try to find where he said that...

KK

It's with regards to gambles - a gamble MUST run at 100% and the odds shown must be true. That is not true for wheels/features that are not a gamble of winnings...

The BTG gamble is technically a gamble of winnings... so as they stated it must be a true odds gamble and run at 100%.

Some jurisdictions do allow deviation from that BUT it would have to be stated in the rules.

 

[NeverLucky]

We would like to confirm that the make up of the wheel does indeed reflect the true value RTP.
This would be a compliance issue (if we were not to display this) in Canada where we license games to the British Columbian Lottery and Lotto Quebec.

Another compliance ruling in Extra Chilli is The Danish Gambling Authority along with other jurisdictional authorities, stipulated that we state the best strategy in the help, which in this case is to Gamble with the wheel. However, you need to remember that the difference is as small increase in RTP and if you collect 8 consistently the RTP is 96.15% it's just less volatile. Whether you lose or win on the wheel the RTP remains the same, long term.

The Wheel

The first spin is 50/50 and all proceeding gambles are 60/40 odds on.
However on subsequent gambles the odds diminish to roughly a 1 in 10 chance of getting to 24 from 8.

0.5 x 0.6 x 0.6 x 0.6 = 0.108 or 1 in 10

With a natural scatter +4 it's 1 in 5 etc...
You can work out the others by adding/removing the wheel progressions.

The principle of the gamble is for players to push up the games volatility or not. A great deal of criticism in the Bonanza thread, was more often than not to do with the free spin frequency, where individuals stated they would like to see the feature more and wouldn't mind if it paid less (I'll have a look for the exact quote later). We have delivered the latter but we have also offered players something new, an option to raise the stakes and play a higher volatility bonus game or not.

With Extra Chilli you have a great deal more options and comparing it to Bonanza is a little bit like comparing apples and oranges. It's like comparing Rainbow Riches to Dead or Alive because that are both 3x5.

Just for the sake of argument, this morning, I donned my tin foil hat, flipped a coin ten times over 20 sessions to see how many it took to get a result of 5 heads/5 tails... after 20 groups of 10 I gave up trying realising that the coin was indeed rigged!

My last 4 results...

17) 1121211111 - 80% Heads
18) 1121212222 - 60% Heads (closest)
19) 1222222222 - 10% Heads
20) 1111211122 - 70% Heads - gave up!

However if you look at the bold section between 19 and 20 - I achieved 50/50 - just not during my set sessions.

As always, happy to answer any other questions.

Big Time Gaming official

Thank you for the clarification.

Thanks for the clarification - excellent player support. And as noted obviously we need larger samples however I can't imagine it's rigged now that you've flat-out denied it- just that I and some others have had some phenomenally unlucky runs.

It's just the nature of the beast though isn't it? We have to keep in mind that things like RTP are over a very long range of Spins which are probably not really achievable for the players. Same goes for the feature buys i'd presume, after buying thousands of features you would probably get close to the 50%

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

We clearly haven't sacrificed enough to the alter of Sample Size.

 

[trancemonkey]

We clearly haven't sacrificed enough to the alter of Sample Size.

You clearly haven't sacrificed enough to the alter of statistical mathematics

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

You clearly haven't sacrificed enough to the alter of statistical mathematics

My wife would beg to differ.

 

[BillyGoldblum]

so far in real play im 4/17 from 8 to 12 and it will probably remain that way because i dont plan on playing it ever again. on the other hand im yet to fail a 12 to 16 upgrade though. 4 attempts all 4 were good. 3 times from 8 - 12 - 16 and once from 12 - 16. Small sample i know but 8 to 12 definitely doesnt feel like 50 - 50. I dont think ive seen anyone with 5 wins in a row while 5 losses in a row is pretty common it seems?

also tried it on day one in play mode on LV and i dont think ive failed 12 to 16 there either. Bought quite a few features, tried some 8 - 12 - 16 - 20 and it really feels like 8 spins features are not worth trying at all so i can see why btg made 8 to 12 gamble the way it is.

its all irrelevant for me anyways just posting it so other people who havent tried it yet can get a feeling of what it plays like and how dangerous it is to play this thing.

And one last thing, compared to bonanza getting feature really doesnt feel any easier because base game of this one was much worse to me than bonanza is on its bad day plus getting 8 spins feature means nothing, so theres that.
It might take less spins to get it, but in the end you are going to loose just as much, if not more, and for what its worth you might not end up with a feature at all. Either that or you will have to play your 8 spins and hope for at least 50x from it, which from my experience doesnt happen all that often at all.

tldr: crap slot with dubious design decisions made to tilt you into buying more features. wont be playing it ever again.
all thats missing is a 40000x win that btg had to recreate themselves because player forgot to take a screenie :=o

I just find it a poorly made slot. I think there is very little entertainment value. You either buy a bonus or try and hit a base game bonus which is very hard to do. Most times 8 spins wont pay anything so then you are forced to gamble. And then half the time you are going to lose. So then you go back to rinse and repeat.

Bonanza and Danger are there good slots. The others are ok but really tough to play them and have any kind of bankroll left afterwards

 

[shadow123]

Should have done as I suggested( after the event)
Made the first 2 gambles a high chance of acheiving 2 extra spins each, that way it would take the crapiness out of 8
spins without the big risk of losing the feature.
Dont know offhand what the odds would be and obviously the overall odds from 8 to 12 would still have to be 50/50
but the game would be lot more enjoyable.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Wowee- was just about to give up for the evening and decided to buy a feature for $20.
Got 8 spins and gambled it up to 24.
Got one retrigger during spins.
24+4: 3,328.55x

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

So my updated scores:
24+4: 3,328.55x
24 spins: 872.6x
20 spins: 576.67x
16 spins: 290.6x
8 spins: 202.35x

I think I'm winning with a few of those but would be good if @Big Time Gaming could confirm.

 

[robby811]

You can only win one time...

 

[mack341]

After a four week break from the slots, I came back and my bad run of luck continued, i decided to have another go on the extra chilli game at whill. I managed to trigger the bonus twice and thought i'd better gamble for the 12 spins, lost both times. A

As I was playing minimum stake of 20p and had about £10 left I thought I might as well just carry on playing extra chilli, luckily the bonus triggered again and this time I decided I've just got to take the 8 spins I couldn't bear the heartsink seeing that wheel land on black again [to date 5 gambes for 12 spins have all lost].

The bonus was going pretty badly, £4 from 5 spins, and then purple chillis made a surprise appearance on the sixth spin, at first I didn't know how big a win it was but having never been quick enough to capture a screenshot of some wins on bonanza, I quickly pressed alt+printscreen, it was still too slow to capture the purple chillis on screen but you can see the gaps where they had been:

I couldn't believe it, in one spin at 20p stake I had got back most of my recent losses. I had been considering just walking away from playing slots such had been the poor performance of any slot i touched [ bonanza and rhino inflicting real damage to my rear end] at minimum stakes id lost nearly 2k, just not sustainable for me.

The overall result was £726.85 for 8 spins and no retriggers:

I'm praying this 3634.25x win gives me a chance in the BTG competition as the last prize I won was in 1981, and that was only a bottle of schweppes tonic water from a tombola.

 

[interlog]

Easier to trigger the bonus than Bonanza? Like f-uck it is. Yesterday started with £400 on £2 stakes and it didn't bonus. I am confident that Bonanza would have done with that starting amount.

The other day I played it naturally too and the bonus triggered. 8 spins. I didn't gamble. It retriggered three times. Happy days you would have thought. But alas that wasn't the case. Talk about dead spin city. Total bonus paid a shambled of 30x

Just like White Rabbit, the bonuses just feel like they are scripted. You are either going to be lucky and get over 50x or it is the standard shambolic under 50x one. Unlike Bonanza (that doesn't have a feature buy) where you don't know what you get when it kicks off.

And unlike Bonanza, some of the RTP of the game must sit with the coin drops as you eventually get a "free" bonus round. Hence why I find that the base game in both White Rabbit and Extra Chilli are not as good paying as Bonanza.

To summarise, fuck the slots with a feature buy. They feel and play like scripted pieces of shite.

 

[goatwack]

Commiserations to the 85% of gamblers that have had bad results on the gamble wheel. You have been very, very unlucky thus far.

I urge you to keep trying. Hopefully the results should even out over the next 12000 attempts, touch wood

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

You can only win one time...

I know, was just looking for confirmation from btg that I've qualified for any.

 

[NeverLucky]

So my updated scores:
24+4: 3,328.55x
24 spins: 872.6x
20 spins: 576.67x
16 spins: 290.6x
8 spins: 202.35x

I think I'm winning with a few of those but would be good if @Big Time Gaming could confirm.

If i understood their terms correctly, the 24+4 for 3328.55x should count for the 8 Spins as you started from a 8 spin trigger, not sure though so would be nice if @Big Time Gaming can confirm
Edit: Just saw someone beat the 24+4 x stake, nevermind sorry.

 

[nikantw]

If i understood their terms correctly, the 24+4 for 3328.55x should count for the 8 Spins as you started from a 8 spin trigger, not sure though so would be nice if @Big Time Gaming can confirm
Edit: Just saw someone beat the 24+4 x stake, nevermind sorry.

I asked and the reply was "the spins you start with". As I understand this it meant not the trigger spins but the spins after any possible gamble, or the spins that you start the bonus feature with.
So if you get 8 and you gamble up to 20 and then get +4 retrigger, you are competing for the 20 spin prize.

 

[NeverLucky]

I asked and the reply was "the spins you start with". As I understand this it meant not the trigger spins but the spins after any possible gamble, or the spins that you start the bonus feature with.
So if you get 8 and you gamble up to 20 and then get +4 retrigger, you are competing for the 20 spin prize.

I see, i understood it as "If you start with 8 spins and gamble all the way up you are still competing for the 8 spin prize" maybe just me being dense.

 

[Jono777]

The spins total which show in the box after you've collected the feature but before you press "start"

 

[Tengil]

Actually BillyBonanzas results are gross. Roughly a 5,85SD event (or 1 in 700 million). Checked only the 50/50 ones.

And if one checks with this

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it gives the absurd result of 0,573<r<1,019 (with Z=4,4172). The example the BTG rep posted is actually normal so not even remotely close or a good example.

I don't believe for a second that its a TRUE 50/50 gamble.

 

[KasinoKing]

I don't believe for a second that its a TRUE 50/50 gamble.

Nor do I!

I haven't gambled the free-spins previously, but having read this thread earlier & been assured that it IS 50/50 I decided to try it tonight...
So far, 4 gambles... 4 losses...
What a crock of shite!

Edit: Now 5 gambles - 5 losses...

Edit: Now 6 gambles - 6 losses...

Edit: Now 7 gambles - 7 losses...

50/50? Yeah right

Edit: So I thinks "I better stop gambling these free-spins"....
Buy a feature & get 8 spins - and this happens:

Buy feature for £40, and win 48 pence!!!

Edit: Now 8 gambles - 8 losses...

KK

 

[goatwack]

Nor do I!

I haven't gambled the free-spins previously, but having read this thread earlier & been assured that it IS 50/50 I decided to try it tonight...
So far, 4 gambles... 4 losses...
What a crock of shite!

KK

You've just been very unlucky. Commiserations.

And don't forget to keep trying!

 

[KasinoKing]

You've just been very unlucky. Commiserations.

And don't forget to keep trying!

See my edits above...

KK

 

[TheAddict]

Gawd. Its not like it sais 'congratulations!! Youve won 0 spins!'

Seriously, F that....

 

[nutnut]

This game is more rigger that a Mugabe election. The gamble feature is not 50/50. I've won one gamble out of 13. I can't work out why anyone would play this.

 

[Cyclops]

Nor do I!

I haven't gambled the free-spins previously, but having read this thread earlier & been assured that it IS 50/50 I decided to try it tonight...
So far, 4 gambles... 4 losses...
What a crock of shite!

Edit: Now 5 gambles - 5 losses...

Edit: Now 6 gambles - 6 losses...

Edit: Now 7 gambles - 7 losses...

50/50? Yeah right

Edit: So I thinks "I better stop gambling these free-spins"....
Buy a feature & get 8 spins - and this happens:

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Buy feature for £40, and win 48 pence!!!

Edit: Now 8 gambles - 8 losses...

KK

Ouch not a good run this can not be 50/50.
It isn't possible to loose that many gambles. Statistically not possible based on 50/50.
And what makes it worse feature of £40 only giving 48p absolute joke of a slot.
I've played this and done ok with it but seeing this I will be reconsidering how much I play it.

 

[VismundCygnus]

Ouch not a good run this can not be 50/50.
It isn't possible to loose that many gambles. Statistically not possible based on 50/50.
And what makes it worse feature of £40 only giving 48p absolute joke of a slot.
I've played this and done ok with it but seeing this I will be reconsidering how much I play it.

Are you being sarcastic? Its a 1/125 chance of happening so not likely but far from impossible. That said, I have no idea if the gamble is proportionally true to the field distribution on the wheel.