New Slot Announcement Donuts by Big Time Gaming

[spoo42]

Not sure about this one yet.. Played it in 3 batches last night.. each time playing somewhere between 200-300 spins at .05 (lowest bet) just to give it a prolonged (hopefully!) go.

Over the whole evening I had 2 bonus/free spins rounds, first gave a 14x multiplier and second gave i think it was 4x multiplier.. both gave less than 15x win. Biggest win I had was in base game I twice got purple donuts across the screen giving 60x bet wins. Had a few 20x bet wins, but was mostly < .05 wins.

Will give it more of a go eventually, but not so sure so far!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I had such a fun time! Online slots are great and everyone should play them loads and loads! *

* Not really.

 

[Lincolnuk]

Well what a crop of c*** this game is. By far a big big let down in terms of other BTG Games. Had a 4 attemps 0 Entertainment with a poor return. Im out

 

[goatwack]

I must have missed the memo, but what is it with these multipliers? 75x??

You 'd think this makes for an exciting game, but something somewhere went quite obviously wrong

Though I commend the low stake size and feature buy removal. Yes that's right, I'm thankful I don't need a Payday loan to play their games

 

[curremon]

What about you go and fuckyourselves btg... i even managed to get one feature after 500 spins.. 19x multipler and whooping 17x stake win

 

[Adriana B]

What an absolute filth of a slot. Started @ 20cent bet, down to 15 and then down to 5. Nice RTP 37%. WTF ?????

 

[greylady]

Strangely enough not one of their slots was paying today so someone is raking it in and I don't think it is us players

 

[goatwack]

Strangely enough not one of their slots was paying today so someone is raking it in and I don't think it is us players

*retired player

**or so I thought

 

[Billybc]

10p stake less than 100 spins. First time playing it and then this....

 

[snorky510238]

I know the maths probably complicates things and I don’t know what the reel strips look like. However from what I can make of most of btg’s games the scatters aren’t fixed they just seem to appear wherever they like when summoned. My point being on bonanza you have to get 4 scatters out of 6 reels (that potentially can be a lot deeper than 4x4). Donuts is asking you to hit 3 out 4 reels which again just on the face of it makes it a lot harder to trigger. I have low rolled a few spins but it didn’t light my fire. The amount of 2 scatter teases ( especially at the start of a session to give false hope) will be to much for me as it’s my pet hate. Coupled with fact that you could be facing a potentially huge win only to find when the box opens the idiot who took your order put the wrong ones inside.

 

[shadow123]

Really does not matter whether you need 3 or 4 scatters for the feature,dont think it has any relation to the number of reels.
On Bonanza the golds are inserted after the reel symbols have been selected from fixed reels strips, this must be the case
as you will never see a single O,L or D unless the previous letters are shown,also it never shows a +4 symbol without GOLD
being shown.Think on Donuts it does the same with an RNG selecting whether to award the bonus.The single and double
scatters are just for show.
May be wrong but thats how I would do it.

 

[Billybc]

And this on a 5p spin.... this slot is insane !!!

 

[CC07]

My very first spin! 120 x stake.

 

[robby811]

Some impressive RTP figures here, 45%, 70%.....

Slot of the year?

CrapSlot of the year

 

[shadow123]

Dont think we have seen the best of it yet, got to be some big wins to get the rtp right.

 

[lotusch]

With most slot providers the free spins are set to drop in on an average amount of spins, of course with the variation taken into account it can take sometimes longer or shorter.
There are 2 providers where I never ever have a clue when the free spins will drop as their slots can go 100's and sometimes even a couple of 1000 of spins without a feature.

These are Novomatic (Which most games I like) and BTG.
I once have done 2.5k spins on Bonanza without hitting a feature.
That is just plain sick.
Oh and when it hit I got a lousy 30x ish stake back.
My RTP on this slot is beyond dramatic.

That said I do play BTG because of the huge win potential and that is most likely why you get so much huge dry spells on them.
I had some really good wins on DHV and a huge win on White Rabbit, so it defo is possible.
But it is oh so damn hard.
Do I still play Bonanza? Yes I do..Because one day I hope to hit that mega win on it.
Just not chasing the free spins anymore,I do 100 spins every session and if it hits it hits, if not I move on

 

[Reelsoffun]

I know the maths probably complicates things and I don’t know what the reel strips look like. However from what I can make of most of btg’s games the scatters aren’t fixed they just seem to appear wherever they like when summoned. My point being on bonanza you have to get 4 scatters out of 6 reels (that potentially can be a lot deeper than 4x4). Donuts is asking you to hit 3 out 4 reels which again just on the face of it makes it a lot harder to trigger. I have low rolled a few spins but it didn’t light my fire. The amount of 2 scatter teases ( especially at the start of a session to give false hope) will be to much for me as it’s my pet hate. Coupled with fact that you could be facing a potentially huge win only to find when the box opens the idiot who took your order put the wrong ones inside.

Well all slot math is a closely guarded secret except the odd leak over the years, I still kick myself to this day for losing a leaked par sheet of IR from years and years ago!, so we will not likely to ever know, but for all we know donuts and bonanza could have the exact same feature trigger average the amount of reels or positions dont really come into it, so to say donuts is a lot harder to trigger on the face of it is probably the same as when a slot designer wants you to think a feature is easier to trigger lol. There is a zillion ways to math out a slot, fixed reel strips to random overlays etc Its all clever stuff innit I do agree with your comment about the early teases for a feature on a session tho, that seems to happen on a lot of slots, more than the normal hit rate, but its all random of course so must be in our heads....

 

[snorky510238]

Well all slot math is a closely guarded secret except the odd leak over the years, I still kick myself to this day for losing a leaked par sheet of IR from years and years ago!, so we will not likely to ever know, but for all we know donuts and bonanza could have the exact same feature trigger average the amount of reels or positions dont really come into it, so to say donuts is a lot harder to trigger on the face of it is probably the same as when a slot designer wants you to think a feature is easier to trigger lol. There is a zillion ways to math out a slot, fixed reel strips to random overlays etc Its all clever stuff innit I do agree with your comment about the early teases for a feature on a session tho, that seems to happen on a lot of slots, more than the normal hit rate, but its all random of course so must be in our heads....

Yeah What you say makes sense. I just have to analyse and scrutinise everything it’s in my nature. On those lines the way I understand it each respective symbol on a reel is allocated a number. The rng then selects numbers for each reel and you see the respective outcome. Is that correct? If not can you try and explain it to me in a simple to understand format. Thanks.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Yeah What you say makes sense. I just have to analyse and scrutinise everything it’s in my nature. On those lines the way I understand it each respective symbol on a reel is allocated a number. The rng then selects numbers for each reel and you see the respective outcome. Is that correct? If not can you try and explain it to me in a simple to understand format. Thanks.

I cant say all do it like that there is more than one way to pull a result from a RNG and use it but yeah, thats one way and the more traditional 5 reels slots almost certainly did it that way. But slots are more complex these days as is the math, so as I think trace monkey has said before too slot designers have to get creative sometimes to get the math to fit the game they have in mind.

In contrast some older UK B3 games used to have whole set 5 reel spins eg all 5 together to make the win that was chosen by the RNG etc. Like i said there is so many ways to do it only the developer knows how they are doing it, but it all boils down to random numbers being the end result that you see.

If you collect enough of the right data of a slot you can soon build up a profile of how the RTP is split, eg base, feature etc

If you collect it the right way you can get it without having to log too much esp if your not stake changing. PM me if you want some tips of what to log as most slot players dont collect one of the most important bits.

 

[slotmaster]

This game sucks, Another money sucking machine that is maybe even more boring than starquest. Sorry BTG. Please still send me like a 15,000x win via one of your other slots.

 

[zap987]

Really does not matter whether you need 3 or 4 scatters for the feature,dont think it has any relation to the number of reels.
On Bonanza the golds are inserted after the reel symbols have been selected from fixed reels strips, this must be the case
as you will never see a single O,L or D unless the previous letters are shown,also it never shows a +4 symbol without GOLD
being shown.Think on Donuts it does the same with an RNG selecting whether to award the bonus.The single and double
scatters are just for show.
May be wrong but thats how I would do it.

The reel strips for Bonanza were posted somewhere in the middle of the huge thread, the scatters are there just fine. As far as the server is concerned there are just scatters and if 4+ land you get free spins, the GOLD letters are just added by the client when showing the result and of course it will show them in the correct order. What's not clear is how the dropdown symbols work, pretty sure noone has ever gotten 2 scatters on the same reel on the first spin cause that isn't anywhere on the reels, but it can quite often drop a scatter on top of a scatter.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

The reel strips for Bonanza were posted somewhere in the middle of the huge thread, the scatters are there just fine. As far as the server is concerned there are just scatters and if 4+ land you get free spins, the GOLD letters are just added by the client when showing the result and of course it will show them in the correct order. What's not clear is how the dropdown symbols work, pretty sure noone has ever gotten 2 scatters on the same reel on the first spin cause that isn't anywhere on the reels, but it can quite often drop a scatter on top of a scatter.

I once had GOL on top of each other on the second reel (after cascade).

Still didn't get the feature.

 

[snorky510238]

The reel strips for Bonanza were posted somewhere in the middle of the huge thread, the scatters are there just fine. As far as the server is concerned there are just scatters and if 4+ land you get free spins, the GOLD letters are just added by the client when showing the result and of course it will show them in the correct order. What's not clear is how the dropdown symbols work, pretty sure noone has ever gotten 2 scatters on the same reel on the first spin cause that isn't anywhere on the reels, but it can quite often drop a scatter on top of a scatter.

Yes the scatter on top of scatter and you never see +5 until Gold has appeared was the angle I am coming from. Thinking how are the scatters catered for by the respective rng. I suppose if there are several ways of programming I will just have to keep guessing.

 

[robby811]

This isnt the Bonanza Thread....

 

[mack341]

The retrigger in the bonus round is very good, just 2 donuts required and you get another chance on the multiplier screen and 12 more free spins in the bonus. White rabbit occasionally retriggers but you can get between 1-12 extra spins, bonanza only gives you another 5 etc...

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The retrigger in the bonus round is very good, just 2 donuts required and you get another chance on the multiplier screen and 12 more free spins in the bonus. White rabbit occasionally retriggers but you can get between 1-12 extra spins, bonanza only gives you another 5 etc...

The problem is that all this stuff has to be paid for in the RTP somewhere. So for every 12 spin retrigger with more multipliers, there are another 50 dead features (or whatever it is) in the feature 'pay pool' as it were.

After 2500+ spins at a 68% RTP, (video on the channel), can't say I'll be returning for more Donuts.

1/400 as a bonus round frequency is dire, although I was at 1/630 or thereabouts.

 

[mack341]

The problem is that all this stuff has to be paid for in the RTP somewhere. So for every 12 spin retrigger with more multipliers, there are another 50 dead features (or whatever it is) in the feature 'pay pool' as it were.

After 2500+ spins at a 68% RTP, (video on the channel), can't say I'll be returning for more Donuts.

1/400 as a bonus round frequency is dire, although I was at 1/630 or thereabouts.

yeah I think I should have said very good if you're lucky enough to get it, its bound to be rare, I played it for the first time earlier today at unibet and set my spin to 15p, and with a £10 deposit. At £2.88 left and nearly 100 spins coming up, the bonus landed and this retriggered once, I was expecting the normal measly 5 extra spins so was surprised it gave 12. I won about £18 overall, did a few more spins and withdrew £19. Have been losing too much recently on el rhino, so have to take the small wins where I can .

Looking forward to your ps4 vid btw, am in the market myself for a console, was going to get the xbox one s for the built in 4k blu ray player but might go up a level to the ps4 pro/xbox one x. The annoying thing is over the last few months I've lost enough playing slots at min stake to have bought 5 ps4 pros and plenty of games, its madness when you think about it.

 

[dunover]

I've had a go at Donuts and am uploading a video.

 

[dunover]

Right, my first attempt at Donuts since I reviewed it a couple of months ago....

 

[snorky510238]

This isnt the Bonanza Thread....

Sorry sir.

 

[snorky510238]

Right, my first attempt at Donuts since I reviewed it a couple of months ago....

For me I might give it 50 spins tops when I have decent bankroll but that will be it. Not a slot to sit there mindlessly chasing dreams.

 

[nutnut]

its worse slot ever created.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Right, my first attempt at Donuts since I reviewed it a couple of months ago....

Well if nothing else you've captured the authentic Donuts experience there dunover.

1/400 bonus round frequency with so little RTP in the base game, dreadful stuff.

It's not even like they've done much work in terms of the aesthetics either. The graphics, sound and music are all poor IMO.

The bonus round is good, as both you and I have acknowledged in our videos, but BTG's attitude of 'Yeah 1/400 frequency feels right to us, the playerbase are chumps, they'll chase it, just push it out of the door as it is' needs to be challenged, and the way we do that as players is not give them any of our money.

 

[Jd666]

When this was release on Pokerstars, it was playing nicely for me.
Bonus rounds coming in, some nice base wins including a 360x

Goes on general release and I have only hit one bonus round since which paid shite, seems easier to get the D on Bonanza.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Me too i have had several 300x + base wins now

 

[maniski]

What a sh*tty game.. i made almost 400 spins. no bonus and only takin my balance without give me good wins yeah wins half of my stakes. Even Starburst does it better

For me a no-go-sl*t..

 

[snorky510238]

It’s almost like btg have thought, well we created a monster in bonanza and that didn’t phase them. Then extra chilli and although tears were rolling down their cheeks they still came back for more. Just how much can we get away with? Right we will really push it now. We will bring out the complete demon of demons and we will even name it in honour of our loyal fans. If this doesn’t halt them nothing will.

 

[steveh35]

won £3.20 in the weekend bonus thing at VS tried Donuts at 10p one win over a £1.00.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Well if nothing else you've captured the authentic Donuts experience there dunover.

1/400 bonus round frequency with so little RTP in the base game, dreadful stuff.

It's not even like they've done much work in terms of the aesthetics either. The graphics, sound and music are all poor IMO.

The bonus round is good, as both you and I have acknowledged in our videos, but BTG's attitude of 'Yeah 1/400 frequency feels right to us, the playerbase are chumps, they'll chase it, just push it out of the door as it is' needs to be challenged, and the way we do that as players is not give them any of our money.

If 1/400 is so dreadful what frequency do you think slots should be then just out of interest?

 

[goatwack]

I've had a thorough crack on it, so I'm well positioned to comment on this game.

Well, that is, before my loss limit kicked in and barred me from any further action.

But going on those 10 spins, I can confirm it's a world- beater alright, and BTG's finest to date*




*probably not

 

[snorky510238]

I had a go on it and got the bonus with a retrigger and x21 multiplier. Result x90. I ran away immediately as the base game is as boring and flat as they come. I will probably give it just a handful of spins now and again and see if I can drop lucky but it’s plainly very scripted Imo.

 

[mcgameboy]

A quote from BTG's CEO himself in an article I just read....

We’re talking the highest potential of any slot Big Time have done to date. A potential that would make the Queen of Riches blush! Certainly the highest potential of any (non-jackpot) machine conceived to date and it’s already paid out some humdingers during its exclusive launch on PokerStars.

So this slot is capable of more than Queen Of Riches, a slot which has produced not one, but two wins (that I know of) in excess of 19,000x bet in the past 12 months.
More than DHV, which has produced at least two wins of over 13,000x as well as a base game win of over 7500x.
More than Bonanza, which has produced a feature win of over 14,000x and base game wins of over 3000x.

And we've already seen a FS multiplier of 93x.

Well at least I know what I am letting myself in for now...pain, lots of pain.

 

[shadow123]

Had about 4 sessions on this now trying to get a feel for the game.
Game is not balanced, the bonus frequency,bonus return and base game play do not
sit well with each other, something went wrong with the idea.
Each session ,I was chasing losses, all the time, ending up with disappointing feature,bit like Netent.
I felt cheated as on the demo play vids,the 50x multiplier seemed to come up frequently,in real
play the highest single donut multiplier was 3x.
After a couple of thousand plays, the RTP is around 75%.
Think the game will be ok for laundering, oops,recycling battle winnings at 5p play, but cannot
see me giving it much more serious play.

 

[dunover]

Yes, it's possible to get at least 4x2x2x3 purples in the bonus spins, probably more. So say 48x15 @ 90 multiplier is 64,800x bet. Theoretically Bonanza can do say 48 ways of Diamonds (we've seen a screenie of that here in the base game recently) on a 20x multiplier which is 48,000x, more or less depending as with Donuts what multiplier you're on. Pie-in-the-sky admittedly but it will no doubt happen to some lucky bastard.

When I was speaking to the BTG chap via PM he did tell me that in testing it produced some colossal base game hits.

 

[torors]

Yes, it's possible to get at least 4x2x2x3 purples in the bonus spins, probably more. So say 48x15 @ 90 multiplier is 64,800x bet. Theoretically Bonanza can do say 48 ways of Diamonds (we've seen a screenie of that here in the base game recently) on a 20x multiplier which is 48,000x, more or less depending as with Donuts what multiplier you're on. Pie-in-the-sky admittedly but it will no doubt happen to some lucky bastard.

When I was speaking to the BTG chap via PM he did tell me that in testing it produced some colossal base game hits.

We’ve seen multiplers in excess of 170 already. I highly doubt it will be possible to achieve >120.000X hits. Looking at the source code for the client it seems Donuts only has two reel sets (well, it’s actually three, but the last one acts as a substitute reel for the donut boxen), one for the base game and one for the feature. I’ll have a closer look tonight and see what the highest purple hit is, assuming that is actually the highest.

 

[snorky510238]

Had about 4 sessions on this now trying to get a feel for the game.
Game is not balanced, the bonus frequency,bonus return and base game play do not
sit well with each other, something went wrong with the idea.
Each session ,I was chasing losses, all the time, ending up with disappointing feature,bit like Netent.
I felt cheated as on the demo play vids,the 50x multiplier seemed to come up frequently,in real
play the highest single donut multiplier was 3x.
After a couple of thousand plays, the RTP is around 75%.
Think the game will be ok for laundering, oops,recycling battle winnings at 5p play, but cannot
see me giving it much more serious play.

I had all the boxes full apart from 3 and the x50 was missing. A bit smelly me thinks.

 

[09237653]

Tried this and on my 711 spins I had the bonus 4 times, multi was between 10x and 14x each returning around 80-90x and one green donut spin in base game of 80x. think I got lucky @ 98%. Small sample I know but my pockets aren't generally deep enough to play BTG games.

(my rtp on all other BTG games is between 60% and 80% ranging from a few hundred spins on some to 8 thousand on others)

 

[mcgameboy]

Yes, it's possible to get at least 4x2x2x3 purples in the bonus spins, probably more. So say 48x15 @ 90 multiplier is 64,800x bet. Theoretically Bonanza can do say 48 ways of Diamonds (we've seen a screenie of that here in the base game recently) on a 20x multiplier which is 48,000x, more or less depending as with Donuts what multiplier you're on. Pie-in-the-sky admittedly but it will no doubt happen to some lucky bastard.

When I was speaking to the BTG chap via PM he did tell me that in testing it produced some colossal base game hits.

Well in that same article I read it said the following - on the very next paragraph...

I’m super exited to see more and more players winning big from Donuts network-wide launch on the 4th of July. The pay table spells out the potential, with a base game hit that can deliver 7 boxes, four of which will open up the same Donuts. The other 3 could hold up to x4 Wilds, you can do the math and that’s just the base game! The feature is another thing altogether but be warned – the game is as highly volatile as games can get (to date)!

So I'm assuming (I might well be wrong though) that the 7 boxes would be distributed as follows: One box on reel 1, two boxes each on reels 2, 3 and 4.

If that is the case, then would that make the potential max base game win 4 (box of 4 donuts) x8 (box of 4 donuts plus 4x wild) x8 (same as reel 2) x8 (same as reel 2) = 2048 ways of 4 purple donuts @ 15x = 30,720x?

The thing is though it says it is up to 2,401 ways to win (ie 7x7x7x7=2401). So I'm wondering how you can get 8 ways per reel on reels 2, 3 and 4?
Perhaps the maths in the game means that you can't have a box of 4 donuts and a 4x wild on the same reel,
but you can have a box of 3 donuts and 4x wild or a box of 4 donuts and a 3x wild?
Who knows, I certainly don't, because I've just not played it long enough.

Even in freeplay mode, I've yet to see a reel put out a combo of anything better than a box of 4 donuts and a 2x wild (or a 3x wild and a box of 3).

As for the bonus, the boxes are removed. And I'm not sure about this, but I haven't seen any 2x, 3x or 4x wilds during the feature.
So maybe all wilds in the bonus are 1x wilds.
But even if that is the case, the loss of those boxes and 2x - 4x wilds would be offset somewhat by the huge multiplier potential.

For the record Mr. D, I have seen the purple donuts fully stacked on reel 4 during the feature, so that means you can get at least 4x2x2x4 of purples in the feature, which makes it 64 ways @ 15x = 960x before you even apply the multiplier.

So it might well be that 100,000x is actually achievable.

 

[theapple]

"So it might well be that 100,000x is actually achievable."

yeah if its on the reels its just a matter of time before someone hits it. I give it about 3 months before we have screenies of that hit. Just like its with other btg games, their max potential hits dont come often, but. Well there is no but.

seriously now, why are we discussing max hit potential in slots where we know its just not going to happen?

speaking of which, it still doesnt really match bonanza with its potentially billion x hits that you could get on x51 multi and 128 ways of diamonds.

btg is really good at setting up seemingly unlimited potential for their slots so people go crazy about it. I mean it works for them so fair play to btg but discussing max potential win on btg slot is kinda pointless isnt it?

 

[steveh35]

out of curiosity what is the highest free spins multiplier anyone has got on Bonanza?