Do you know when a slot isn't going give anything and can you stop playing?

jackanory2279

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you dont know.. what i do is copy nickslots,, i pretty much like all the same slots as he does. i always set a minimum amount to leave the slot on..
 

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Last nights experience, went on Gorilla Go's Wild with around £180

11 or 12 bonuses paying max 5-10x so very poor and lost around £130 so down to £50 odd, I continued playing as by that point I thought have the lot you greedy monkey!

Next bonus comes, then the next and the next, suddenly I'm up to £400 so I'd have to disagree and say you never know when it's gonna heat up, admittedly that took over 500 spins to warm up but still... :D

Praise yourself lucky...I kept playing also on this piece of crap but for me it never ever recovered.
I am down like 1500 Euro on this at a certain casino (measured over multiple sessions).
Stupidly I always tend to go back and play it because at some stage it has to give something back I suppose.
Can't get anything better than 10-30x in any of the free spin rounds, no matter what feature I pick.
The stay wild feature is a joke as all of a sudden the wilds are gone from the reels and the more wilds feature most of the time only reward 1 symbol to turn wild but even if you are lucky to get 3 symbols it still will make sure those symbols will not drop on the reels.

Anyway not complaining too much as most of that 1500 Euro was winnings from other slots, still a waste tho. :eek2:;)

A sick slot and for me on the nomination for worst slot ever.


To retort the OP's question, I have never looked at it that way.
A slot can feel hot or cold for me but even when it is cold it still will give out the bonus or free spins, it probably just will pay some coppers and nickels.

Gorilla's go Wild is actually the prime example here.
I manage to trigger the FS quite often, only it does not pay.
I think that slot actually is broken! :):p
 

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So you are implying that casinos make their money not from the house edge of each slot, but by some other mysterious way?

Here you have the payout report from 32Red:
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They are audited each month, you can see the results for yourself.

September 2016 All games: 96.05%
September 2016 Slots: 96.08%

Ecogra, which was founded in 2003 by Roger Raatgever - CEO of Microgaming ?????
Obviously no conflict of interest there then.

And what about the audits for Netent?

Also, If these 'independent' auditing and testing companies are so thorough, how, for example, did the NetEnt game 'Frankenstein' get approval, when years later, it was discovered to have a 'cheat' built in. Why wasn't this discovered when the coding was 'supposedly' thoroughly checked by the independent testing company, in order to get approval.

And the game 'Cosmic Fortune', which after it's initial launch, was paying out it's jackpots to all and sundry. Was this not pickup up on during the 'independent' testing

If there is anything 'unrandom' going on. it's down to the games providers, not the casinos. So an egogra audit of 32Red isn't that relevant
 

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Ecogra, which was founded in 2003 by Roger Raatgever - CEO of Microgaming ?????
Obviously no conflict of interest there then.

And what about the audits for Netent?

Also, If these 'independent' auditing and testing companies are so thorough, how, for example, did the NetEnt game 'Frankenstein' get approval, when years later, it was discovered to have a 'cheat' built in. Why wasn't this discovered when the coding was 'supposedly' thoroughly checked by the independent testing company, in order to get approval.

And the game 'Cosmic Fortune', which after it's initial launch, was paying out it's jackpots to all and sundry. Was this not pickup up on during the 'independent' testing

If there is anything 'unrandom' going on. it's down to the games providers, not the casinos. So an egogra audit of 32Red isn't that relevant

What was wrong with the audit showing that 32Red earned almost 4% on every wager placed in september? Is it your opinion that this number should be bigger?

If this is your mindset, why are you even playing?
 

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What was wrong with the audit showing that 32Red earned almost 4% on every wager placed in september? Is it your opinion that this number should be bigger?

If this is your mindset, why are you even playing?

There's nothing wrong with 32Red making an average of 4% on all wagers. I'm sure they make exactly the same every month.
Whether this is down to perfectly balanced mathematics of the games, taking into account the huge range of stake sizes.
Or it's down to some kind of 'overall' compensating mechanism at MGS. We'll never know.

And I play, because I can, and do win.
 

lotusch

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For example, did the NetEnt game 'Frankenstein' get approval, when years later, it was discovered to have a 'cheat' built in. Why wasn't this discovered when the coding was 'supposedly' thoroughly checked by the independent testing company, in order to get approval.

Yeah I am still puzzled what happened there.
In the original thread it was never revealed what the"bug" in that game was that allowed players to take advantage of the game.
It was a shady discovery alright. :eek:

I never knew there could be such "weaknesses" in online coded slots.

I remember the good old days in The Netherlands in the early and mid 90's where you could trick a slot by glue-ing a Dutch 5 Gulden coin onto a very slim piece of metal and insert it and retract over and over again to add credits to the slot.
Once enough, just push the cash out button.
The ol' fun days.
 

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Yeah I am still puzzled what happened there.
In the original thread it was never revealed what the"bug" in that game was that allowed players to take advantage of the game.
It was a shady discovery alright. :eek:

From what i remember Nicola saying about it. The advantage was gained by pressing a certain combination of keys on your keyboard. So it must have been written into the source code, for the game to recognise these particular keys, and react accordingly.
 

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There's nothing wrong with 32Red making an average of 4% on all wagers. I'm sure they make exactly the same every month.
Whether this is down to perfectly balanced mathematics of the games, taking into account the huge range of stake sizes.
Or it's down to some kind of 'overall' compensating mechanism at MGS
. We'll never know.

And I play, because I can, and do win.


Given enough spins, the RTP will be pretty much spot on every month, but there will be small differences each month (as you can see if you go back and check different months in the audit).

Here is an interesting link where you can simulate the house edge upwards of 1 million roulette spins:
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(not my site).
As you can see, on 1000 spins the payback varies all over the place, sometimes on the positive side of the player as well.

When you get to 100 000 and a million spins however, the results will be pretty near the expected RTP in every simulation.

I don't know how many spins that are played on 32Red each month, but I would guess it is well over a million. Slots have a higher variance than roulette, but with that amount of spins played, the RTP each month will be pretty near the theoretical expected RTP.

Where am I going with all this? There is no reason for game providers to program slots in the way you guys are talking about, when enough spins are being played, it will all even out for the casino in the end.
 

lotusch

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Where am I going with all this? There is no reason for game providers to program slots in the way you guys are talking about, when enough spins are being played, it will all even out for the casino in the end.

Well I am not questioning the casino's or slots providers here, let's make that clear.
But it seems slots are sometimes weakly programmed / coded and shows vulnerabilities as happened with Netent's Frankenstein.
I am a strong believer that the RTP or TRTP% will always prevail on the long run.

It has proven itself to me many many times.
 

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I have been a player of land based AWP's and slots since I was 18 until present day.

Every now and then a 'cheat' would come along (either a short fall or deliberately put there by programmers, who cares as long as I profited :p)

I have always assumed that online slots would be no different and the odd ones are there as we speak, problem is we as players will very, very rarely get to ever hear about them until its well too late or not at all.

I also go into tin foil territory when I see a slot is constantly dead each and every time I play it and start to wonder whether this particular slot has been previously 'bashed' by someone in the know which has knackered its supposed RTP.

Thoughts and ramblings with no proof but as an experienced gambler who has been around the block a good many times, I sometimes cannot help this line of thought.
 

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I have been a player of land based AWP's and slots since I was 18 until present day.

Every now and then a 'cheat' would come along (either a short fall or deliberately put there by programmers, who cares as long as I profited :p)

I have always assumed that online slots would be no different and the odd ones are there as we speak, problem is we as players will very, very rarely get to ever hear about them until its well too late or not at all.

I also go into tin foil territory when I see a slot is constantly dead each and every time I play it and start to wonder whether this particular slot has been previously 'bashed' by someone in the know which has knackered its supposed RTP.

Thoughts and ramblings with no proof but as an experienced gambler who has been around the block a good many times, I sometimes cannot help this line of thought.

You are not the only one who has thought that, it is called gamblers fallacy and is just how our brain works I guess.

The gambler's fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlo fallacy or the fallacy of the maturity of chances, is the mistaken belief that, if something happens more frequently than normal during some period, it will happen less frequently in the future, or that, if something happens less frequently than normal during some period, it will happen more frequently in the future (presumably as a means of balancing nature).

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Ecogra, which was founded in 2003 by Roger Raatgever - CEO of Microgaming ?????
Obviously no conflict of interest there then.

And what about the audits for Netent?

Also, If these 'independent' auditing and testing companies are so thorough, how, for example, did the NetEnt game 'Frankenstein' get approval, when years later, it was discovered to have a 'cheat' built in. Why wasn't this discovered when the coding was 'supposedly' thoroughly checked by the independent testing company, in order to get approval.

And the game 'Cosmic Fortune', which after it's initial launch, was paying out it's jackpots to all and sundry. Was this not pickup up on during the 'independent' testing

If there is anything 'unrandom' going on. it's down to the games providers, not the casinos. So an egogra audit of 32Red isn't that relevant

The cosmic fortune one is interesting but I've only ever heard it spoken about on letsgiveitaspin's stream. I think it was something along the lines of on it's first day it kept spitting out major jackpots which was supposedly a software fault. I find it interesting because if random is random then in theory that could happen and keep happening for weeks on end..in theory. Just interesting that netent decided it wasn't random and pulled it which I assume was correct.

There was another case with netent and high bets on the mobile version of blood suckers which favoured the player I believe. It was never disclosed (as far as I know) how that came to light and must only have affected a very small number of players.

The difficulty I see is if a game really was broken to the detriment of a player....it would be near on impossible to get the casinos or providers to acknowledge as it's chalked down to random which is probably correct in the majority of cases but obviously not all.
 

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There was another case with netent and high bets on the mobile version of blood suckers which favoured the player I believe. It was never disclosed (as far as I know) how that came to light and must only have affected a very small number of players.

Which begs the question.... Why were only high stakes affected?

If an RNG produces a number/numbers to give a reel position, and then pays X number of coins, if there's a win. Then X should be the same, whatever the stake is, shouldn't it?
 

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I am not saying there rigged, But are programmed more than we think,

Last Audit< .000% away from the true RTP :eek: BOLLOX can this be achieved, Just like its not possible to get a real time RTP after one session, after 6 months if they said the RTP was 90% and 6 months later said 101% it would sound right, But to be bang on every time an audit is due, Pull the other one

What I honestly belive is that the the providers DO NOT rip us of and the RTP is what it says but not the way we think, I would suggest that they can edit the RTP over set time,

Example::: Say there is 100 milllon loss spins and 1 millon win spins, if the RTP for that much is to much than they take halve the winning numbers out untill there onm the level playing filed, And visa versa, Same as when bet high, The big winning combinations are removed if the RTP is above average,

This is my theory, I belive the payout is what it sais but how it gets there is another story
 

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I wish I had done that yesterday in Break Da Bank Again. Turned $7 in VSO Casino race funds and 25 free spins of Golden Fish Tank into $43 on Monday but lost it all trying to get the elusive Premium symbol 25x 5OAK on Tuesday. This game is no replacement for Dead or Alive.

At least I didn't lose money that I deposited. It's getting too tough to win anything now; my luck is all bad. If you live in Ontario, you're better off going to a land-based casino now.
 

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When playing new netent slots you know when they go cold... 1-2 weeks after release...
 

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Which begs the question.... Why were only high stakes affected?

If an RNG produces a number/numbers to give a reel position, and then pays X number of coins, if there's a win. Then X should be the same, whatever the stake is, shouldn't it?

I really wish people here had a large bankroll to test what ive found. Just so they can see that when you do $9+ spins how the slot drastically changes.

I did a 75,000 spin challenge..low bets vs high. The results are what I figured. Incredibly different. Actually not even close and very suspicious. But unless multiple players do the test, it will never gain steam. You need a bunch of believers to make any progress

First of all just randomly playing doing those types of bets I always thought very strange that hits are impossible. Which turned into the testing I did. From the results and game play experience. I will never ever do a bet above $6 again online.
 

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You dont even have to go from small to BIG ones.. you can see difference easily when you play example 20cent bets and game gives you wins , raise bet to 50cent and boom "bad luck that you just got 50 dead spins in a row straight after raising bet" ... its not bad luck.. its systematic
 
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