Do you feel Members of Congress should be forced to enroll themselves in the health

[bernynhel]

you know i did bern. i think whats good for the goose is good for the gander. and i don,t like obama not because hes black just caz i don,t think he has any right to be in office and i think him and all the others both partys r going to drag the u.s down to where we might not be able to rebound. but glad to see u back who eles would keep everyone here on thrie toes.

You did sign the petition or you did try to PM me and warn me? I mean I know you PMd me but did you sign the petition?

Why doesn't O have a right to be in office? He won the election fair n square.

And ty for the welcome back and I know you tried to PM me but I was already gone! LOL

 

[kauphy]

You did sign the petition or you did try to PM me and warn me? I mean I know you PMd me but did you sign the petition?

Why doesn't O have a right to be in office? He won the election fair n square.

And ty for the welcome back and I know you tried to PM me but I was already gone! LOL

bern lets put it this way i,m stll looking for that big ugly bug for you to eat you know where i stand on this. but it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. and yes i did pm you and told you that alot of people were going to be pissed off that you used that word but i know how u meant it and so does alot of other people.

 

[Cant_Get_Right]

What so bad about sayin "snip president" anyhow? Bunch a touchy so-n-sos.

IMHO, you meant to refer to him with the N word. Whites in Europe don't seem understand. How mad many whites in the USA feels about Obama being president. Your so-called klan here who supported your using the N-word. Tried to spin it any another way. It's clear from your above statement. You didn't find it offensive nor or you even sorry for using it. I honestly see why America is on the way out! She has become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

 

[bernynhel]

IMHO, you meant to refer to him with the N word. Whites in Europe don't seem understand. How mad many whites in the USA feels about Obama being president. Your so-called klan here who supported your using the N-word. Tried to spin it any another way. It's clear from your above statement. You didn't find it offensive nor or you even sorry for using it. I honestly see why America is on the way out! She has become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

What almost everybody here understands by now (there's been quite a bit of off forum discussion/clarification in addition to public posts) was that I meant to infer that people who are screaming "we want our country back" and other pseudo-patriotic slogans, really mean is "we want our country back from that 'n-word' president" but wont say it, publicly. They are that pissed off that Barack is president and I think there's a hell of a lot of them - far more than many realize, as you say, because they wont admit it but, instead, have to interject other, hollow sounding reasons, most outright lies, and do it in such a rabid manner. Believe me, they're not fooling me, either. I admit that my post was clumsily constructed, poorly edited and that the quotation marks in that sentence should have extended to include the offending phrase and that's my fault.

If there's any Klan here they are not my friends and they are not the friends of those who decided to lift my ban only after they were certain that I did not use the N-word in any way other than the way I have just explained.

But I disagree that the (and I only omit here cuz I've caused this forum enough trouble, already) n-word should never be used in print or otherwise. It should be employed when denouncing those who express their hate by its use because the ugliness of it should not be spared those who brandish it. I think those who use it should be identified and substituting "the n-word" isn't a sufficiently harsh accusation. It should also be used in recounting historical events and accurately attributed, whenever possible, to those persons who said it and at whom they said it to.

I voted for Barack Obama and, I can tell you now, already, I will be voting for him again in 2012.

Try reading my post before the one you mention. I apologize for my blunder and for hurting you. I am Jewish and know how racial slurs feel when they have been hurled at me or used in my proximity or written where no one thought I would be reading.

 

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Obama even worse than Bush

bernynhel wrote:

I voted for Barack Obama and, I can tell you now, already, I will be voting for him again in 2012.

Can I ask why? I know many friends and family that jumped the Republican ship and voted for him, ALL of them are sorry they did it. I didn't vote for him because I didn't like his politics based on past performance in Illinois and I also didn't think he had enough experience. He keep saying "change", I haven't seen any change except more expansion of the Fed Gov, more spending and more taxation. However, since Bush cut taxes across the board and Obama's tax agenda only benefits those in the bottom 3 tax brackets (bottom 2 mostly) the number of people who owe ZERO income tax and still get a refund(due to credits, etc) as increased to over 58% and climbing. How long can families and small business continue to be the largest source of Revenue funding all the entitlement programs. Those in the lower tax brackets and the poverty level(which is inflated) actually recieved the cash equivalent of $15,000+ in Government benefits while those that owe taxes and get no refund or tax credits basically get nothing other than benefits of National Defense and u.s. highways.
Now the Climate Bill proposed by the Senate includes Billions of dollars to help subsidize lower income families so they will be able to afford the increased costs of Gasoline, Electric and Natural Gas. Of course, most of us will just have to see our disposable income and savings dwindle.
Climate change is a joke. Green jobs are a joke. Most economic studies indicate that the Bill will reduce jobs big time. Scientists have also indicated and I believe it is true, that we are in a preglacial cycle and "cooling period". After all the cost, taxation and hoopla,the fact is;reducing co2 via regulations in the Bill " will moderate world average temperatures by no more than nine hundredths of a degree in 2050 and no more than three tenths of a degree in 2100."

Google this article for more on how Obama and his Administration have changed the formula for determining the Poverty Level:

Obamas New Poverty Measurement Published on March 8, 2010 by Robert Rector

 

[bernynhel]

bernynhel wrote:


Can I ask why? I know many friends and family that jumped the Republican ship and voted for him, ALL of them are sorry they did it. I didn't vote for him because I didn't like his politics based on past performance in Illinois and I also didn't think he had enough experience. He keep saying "change", I haven't seen any change except more expansion of the Fed Gov, more spending and more taxation. However, since Bush cut taxes across the board and Obama's tax agenda only benefits those in the bottom 3 tax brackets (bottom 2 mostly) the number of people who owe ZERO income tax and still get a refund(due to credits, etc) as increased to over 58% and climbing. How long can families and small business continue to be the largest source of Revenue funding all the entitlement programs. Those in the lower tax brackets and the poverty level(which is inflated) actually recieved the cash equivalent of $15,000+ in Government benefits while those that owe taxes and get no refund or tax credits basically get nothing other than benefits of National Defense and u.s. highways.
Now the Climate Bill proposed by the Senate includes Billions of dollars to help subsidize lower income families so they will be able to afford the increased costs of Gasoline, Electric and Natural Gas. Of course, most of us will just have to see our disposable income and savings dwindle.
Climate change is a joke. Green jobs are a joke. Most economic studies indicate that the Bill will reduce jobs big time. Scientists have also indicated and I believe it is true, that we are in a preglacial cycle and "cooling period". After all the cost, taxation and hoopla,the fact is;reducing co2 via regulations in the Bill " will moderate world average temperatures by no more than nine hundredths of a degree in 2050 and no more than three tenths of a degree in 2100."

Google this article for more on how Obama and his Administration have changed the formula for determining the Poverty Level:

Obamas New Poverty Measurement Published on March 8, 2010 by Robert Rector

Short Answer: I don't vote Republican.

Long answer: I cannot fathom those that think "it's the candidate, not the party" when the parties are so diametricaly different. I don't believe that the owners of the Dodgers should ever owe $0 taxes, ever, as nobody else should either. I think there should be a no-loophole flat tax on a sliding scale of 4%-65% for every one - 4% for anyone who earned $1 - 10,000/year, 65% for the Bill Gates'. I think everyone earning a commission or bonuses in banking or financial trading should pay an extra special tax to fund future bailouts so US tax payers aren't on the hook ever again. I don't think any man is entitled to have any say about abortion. The Republican politician's hypocritical sycophantic pandering to the religious right sickens me. I don't think any of em really believe in God let alone Jesus and doubt any would ever be caught dead in a church except to rob the collection plate if they weren't politicians. The Republican Party Platform criticizes Democrats for using tax dollars for social reforms and to "control our behavior" while claiming the belief that taxes should only go to "pay for government's essential functions" yet not a word about the $1 Trillion/year cost of maintaining the US empire with our military bases and half a million troops around the world to keep the military industrial machine churning - the real US welfare program. The $trillion going out this year is just now paying the cost of the cold war against the USSR in 1978! Talk about entitlement? New generation jet fighters for dogfights we'll be having with the Taliban? And no one grew the government more than George H.W. Bush or spent as recklessly as Ronald Regan. Teabaggers want to lower taxes and but continue to wage wars and maintain our worldwide network of military bases. We couldn't we have used the money spent since invading Afghanistan and Iraq? Sure but look how much fun George W had and, besides, it wasn't his money! He just tossed $875 billion to the wind as he exited and just walked away way leaving the US in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, our world wide reputation in the crapper - ands rightly so - thanks to him and his and his henchmen's blood lust. That Kenyan, Barack Obama, took the helm having to do the real work of repairing the country and now Republicans are trying to blame him for the recession as well as long overdue and badly needed health care reforms of costing too much and raising the deficit at the expense of our children and grandchildren? But if the Republicans really cared about their children and grandchildren why didn't they use the eight years they controlled to shut down our military bases, war weapons factories, and bring our troops home from around the world and not unjustifiably start wars by invading harmless countries?

You're citing Robert "Let-'em-eat-cake" Rector? HA! The guy who says food stamps aren't helping but hurting the poor? “The majority of them are overweight, and the idea of what we need to do is give them more food is just kind of silly.” Nice! The way we're going, with any luck, we'll have as many hungry people on Food Stamps as are without health insurance - unless Robert Rector and maybe John McCain can do anything to stop it.

What's the matter, you couldn't find any articles by Idi Amin or Nicolae Ceausescu or Pol Pot to support your arguments so you had to resort to that POS Rector!?

And I'm not bothering with you on climate change. You believe in whatever you want - it's a moot point since climate change is about science, not faith.

 

[gloria460]

It's really pointless to debate politics or reason in this thread. People will believe with their dying breath that Obama caused every problem that we're facing. I truly am tired of the refusal to take the blinders off and get your information from sources that are not related to one party or the other. If something sounds like it's the truth without facts to back it up people are quick to agree with it without looking up things for themselves objectively.

Please point me to some threads that was started in here about how Bush almost ruined this country. I would love to see you guys points of views on that.

I was a Hilary supporter and the only way that I voted for Obama was learning the facts and not listening to the rhetoric.

 

[slotplayer]

I was a Hilary supporter and the only way that I voted for Obama was learning the facts and not listening to the rhetoric.

I picked Hilary to, turns out she is the only level headed one.

You know historically, the economy has done better under Democrats than Republicans. Go Google it.

 

[Dinahnana]

you know i did bern. i think whats good for the goose is good for the gander. and i don,t like obama not because hes black just caz i don,t think he has any right to be in office and i think him and all the others both partys r going to drag the u.s down to where we might not be able to rebound. but glad to see u back who eles would keep everyone here on thrie toes.

Well said, I too am not an Obama fan because of his politics and I also believed he lacked the experience to be president. Anyway I really think that Nancy Pelosi is the one in control (I really don't like that woman).

I don't talk about politics anymore because I find having to defend myself constantly. I guess that is the price to pay in a largely democratic area. I was told by many people that I didn't vote for Obama because he is black and that I am a racist. I think that is total BS since those very same people told me that the only reason why they voted for him is BECAUSE he was black and had no clue whatsoever on the ideals of the man which in my opinion is stupid.
I used to be middle of the road and have often voted for a democratic candidate when I believed in what they stood for. Now however I am a Republican. I do not like socialism. All the benefits the poor are getting from Obama's administration are good however one could view them to be like golden handcuffs. Even with all the "perks" that they get they are still hovering over the poverty line but the way the cash is distributed it does not motivate people to try to aim for the sky. I come from a socalist democratic country and saw this all the time, hell I even lived it for a few years until I woke up and got the hell out. In my country the unemployed get the dole which is free money basically. When I was at home I drew this benefit. I searched for work but the ones that were available paid so badly that if I did work I would end up making something like $20 extra a week. So I ask what is the motivation there? Get free money or work for 40 hours a week and get $20? That is a no brainer. After a while of living like this the future seems very dark and bleak.

I apologize for the raving here but my dislike of socialism is the main reason why I don't like Obama's administration and I really hate being labeled a racist just because I don't like the guy. I wouldn't care if he was the whitest guy in the country I still wouldn't like him.

Having said all this I respect everybody's opinion. Some of my best friends are democrats. We are all entitled to them and that is what makes the USA great. But from where I am standing it is A OK to bash somebody who is a republican and not PC to bash a democrat. I for one say WTF!

Thanks for listening guys

 

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Typical Socialist-radical response

Short Answer: I don't vote Republican.

Long answer: I cannot fathom those that think "it's the candidate, not the party" when the parties are so diametricaly different. I don't believe that the owners of the Dodgers should ever owe $0 taxes, ever, as nobody else should either. I think there should be a no-loophole flat tax on a sliding scale of 4%-65% for every one - 4% for anyone who earned $1 - 10,000/year, 65% for the Bill Gates'. I think everyone earning a commission or bonuses in banking or financial trading should pay an extra special tax to fund future bailouts so US tax payers aren't on the hook ever again. I don't think any man is entitled to have any say about abortion. The Republican politician's hypocritical sycophantic pandering to the religious right sickens me. I don't think any of em really believe in God let alone Jesus and doubt any would ever be caught dead in a church except to rob the collection plate if they weren't politicians. The Republican Party Platform criticizes Democrats for using tax dollars for social reforms and to "control our behavior" while claiming the belief that taxes should only go to "pay for government's essential functions" yet not a word about the $1 Trillion/year cost of maintaining the US empire with our military bases and half a million troops around the world to keep the military industrial machine churning - the real US welfare program. The $trillion going out this year is just now paying the cost of the cold war against the USSR in 1978! Talk about entitlement? New generation jet fighters for dogfights we'll be having with the Taliban? And no one grew the government more than George H.W. Bush or spent as recklessly as Ronald Regan. Teabaggers want to lower taxes and but continue to wage wars and maintain our worldwide network of military bases. We couldn't we have used the money spent since invading Afghanistan and Iraq? Sure but look how much fun George W had and, besides, it wasn't his money! He just tossed $875 billion to the wind as he exited and just walked away way leaving the US in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, our world wide reputation in the crapper - ands rightly so - thanks to him and his and his henchmen's blood lust. That Kenyan, Barack Obama, took the helm having to do the real work of repairing the country and now Republicans are trying to blame him for the recession as well as long overdue and badly needed health care reforms of costing too much and raising the deficit at the expense of our children and grandchildren? But if the Republicans really cared about their children and grandchildren why didn't they use the eight years they controlled to shut down our military bases, war weapons factories, and bring our troops home from around the world and not unjustifiably start wars by invading harmless countries?

You're citing Robert "Let-'em-eat-cake" Rector? HA! The guy who says food stamps aren't helping but hurting the poor? “The majority of them are overweight, and the idea of what we need to do is give them more food is just kind of silly.” Nice! The way we're going, with any luck, we'll have as many hungry people on Food Stamps as are without health insurance - unless Robert Rector and maybe John McCain can do anything to stop it.

What's the matter, you couldn't find any articles by Idi Amin or Nicolae Ceausescu or Pol Pot to support your arguments so you had to resort to that POS Rector!?

And I'm not bothering with you on climate change. You believe in whatever you want - it's a moot point since climate change is about science, not faith.

To your point on the owner of the Dodgers and Bill Gates, the majority of their taxes are paid on Capital Gains, not "ordinary income". They run everything through the Corporation. Obama hasn't done much to change that.

I have no idea who Robert Rector is but my information comes from many pieces of research including the IRS, Research papers and the like.


Regarding wars and the cost of maintain a military; what are you nuts! Protecting the Country and its citizens is one of the first responsibilites of the u.s. Federal Government, read the Constitution.
Following 911, there was a run on joing the Military by those who had fought in previous wars and others. Had Bush done nothing there would have been an outcry from the Public. So I guess you wanted him to do nothing?
I don't see Obama pulling the troops out or the democrats cutting off funding as Obama promised, do you?

Since I have been a Health Care Administrator for the VA and Public Hospitals and managed my husbands medical practice over the last 30 years; I guarantee you will see your premiums go up, not down. Any cuts of Medicare reimbursements and further medicare regulations on doctors will mean thousands or more doctors will no longer sign-up as Medicaid and Medicare providers because it is not worth it. They earn virtually nothing on treating Medicare and Medicaid patients as it is.

What's the matter, you couldn't find any articles by Idi Amin or Nicolae Ceausescu or Pol Pot to support your arguments so you had to resort to that POS Rector!?

No idea who these people are!

Regarding everyone being on food stamps, I agree, Obama's policies are an attempt to reduce all of us to the poverty level and force our reliance on the Federal Government.

Sorry, I am all for States controlling Schools and welfare programs as it should be. The Federal Government is just to big to be effecient and is not required by law to balance their budget. The more money we pay the more they spend.

Clinton did support subprime mortgages, do the research!. Regardless of a Republican Congress, he threatened to Veto the law I mentioned, if the Republicans watered it down

Since I have a degree in Science and Management and have done many many hours of research on Global Warming, reading research papers from Phd's including those written by the scientist that first proposed the idea of "Global Warming", I doubt there is much that you can say to convince me it is at most a "hypothesis" at this point in time. Look up the "1500 year moderate temperature cycle".

The fact that Clinton left office with a budget surplus has nothing to do with the financial meltdown, but some of his policies are partly to blame.

By the way, Obama has a Democratic Congress and yet you radical liberals still attempt to blame the Republican minority for anything that doesn't go your way. The only thing Republicans can do is to try to block legislation from going forward. Clearly the President and the Majority from the beginning had no intention of being Bi-Partisan. Pointing the finger at Republlicans is just a convenient way of diverting the publics attention from what is really going on. I want the Republicans to slow things down as much as possible so that the Majority passes less socialist, costly legislation.

Democrats sicken me, literally. I have never, ever, seen such an arrogant excuse for a President.

 

[RedAndi]

IMHO, you meant to refer to him with the N word. Whites in Europe don't seem understand. How mad many whites in the USA feels about Obama being president. Your so-called klan here who supported your using the N-word. Tried to spin it any another way. It's clear from your above statement. You didn't find it offensive nor or you even sorry for using it. I honestly see why America is on the way out! She has become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

No offense Can't but to me you are being as bigoted as you accuse Bern of being. How can you generalize all Americans like that? I am NOT klan, I DO NOT use the N word, I am not "mad" Obama is our president, and I have no issues with any other race, creed, oriontation, etc. (Ok right now I am pissy with Canadians but that is just because they took away our Olympic Hockey Gold medal...).
You are right about America going to shit right now, and yes most of it has to do with a LOT of ignorance permeating certain groups who are holding ridiculous grudges because "their" party did not win an election....
All of this dissention is doing nothing but hurting our already tarnished image and I am not proud of it, HOWEVER, I am still proud to live in this country and have hope that it will rebound and get back to what it once was.

All that being said, to me the N word is the most horrible word anyone can use. One thing I instilled in my son is to never look at anyone as anything other than a person (disregard color), and he is now 21 and has never used that word. ALSO, if you really read Berns post you would see he was using it to make fun of people with that mentality, not actually using it himself. Yes he should not have actually typed word, but I think most understand what he was trying to say (and I am not a big fan of some of Berns more political posts, but I think he is being crucified for bad judgement and a quick hit on the submit button).

 

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Total Agree

I agree, I hate that word. My neighbors are African American and our kids have grown up together, my Sons have many African American friends.

There is one thing that bothers me though, his friends use the N word not my Sons. When I questioned my sons about that, they said its OK if they call each other that and even for Whites that are their "best friends".

I wish EVERYONE including the Performers would stop. It just encourages the word to be used.

Just like refering to people as Black is now politically and socially incorrect.
They are African Americans.

I am not being predjudice, just stating the fact.

It is not being a racist to discuss this subject.

 

[footdr]

Hard to find unbiased sources, but here is how....

It's really pointless to debate politics or reason in this thread. People will believe with their dying breath that Obama caused every problem that we're facing. I truly am tired of the refusal to take the blinders off and get your information from sources that are not related to one party or the other. If something sounds like it's the truth without facts to back it up people are quick to agree with it without looking up things for themselves objectively.

Please point me to some threads that was started in here about how Bush almost ruined this country. I would love to see you guys points of views on that.

I was a Hilary supporter and the only way that I voted for Obama was learning the facts and not listening to the rhetoric.

The way I check the accuracy of what the new media reports is to google information from past years. If you don't do this you will only find recent information from the biased media. Also, go to the actual "floor debate" on subjects and read what each side said. Look up past and present sources of "contributions" by type of business or organization.

Bush can not be soley be blamed for the the economic crisis. Obama has already tripled the debt so far. Sorry, but Bush simply didn't cause the havoc that Obama has. Also, Bush had a Democratic Senate to deal with in 2001 and Democratic Congress(house and senate) 2007 and 2008. You can thank the Democrats for the first bailout.

You can thank Clinton for the push for Sub-Prime loans. He is not totally to blame because subprime mortgage loans legislation was enacted starting with Carter. But he endorsed expansion of Pay-Day loans and Sub-prime mortgages.

You need to read the CBO reports, not get your information from the Media regarding Health Care Reform. You have to piece all the various reports together to get the full picture. Also, you can look at all Research groups information and make your own interpretations, if you have knowledge of the Health Care System as it exists today.

The CBO scoring of the Health Care Bill was based upon what Congress asked to be scored. It did not include discretionary spending and without non-budgeted spending the program cannot be put into effect. If all costs were included in their report, it would show an increase in the deficit. They already know and knew before passing it that it would increase the "debt". The deficit and the debt are two seperate things. The Lewin Group which the Government often commissions for independent research, found that premiums of those currently insured are likely to go up, not down, for various reasons for which I will let you read on your own.

You cannot rely on anything the news reports, you have to check their statements through researching information from non-news media sources

Bushs policies good and bad simply did not impact my life and finances in the way Obamas has and will continue to. If you are in the 10-15% tax bracket you are likely to LOVE his tax credits and tax cuts. Unfortunately, none of them help me. My husband is a Doctor and we have employees and two offices to pay for. We have always paid 100% of our employees health insurance and after one year invested their equal share in the Profit Sharing Plan and Trust.

Due to the Economic crisis caused by Banks, Mortgage companies and the like, the profit sharing has lost a bunch. Due to Congress not putting a freeze on Interest rate increases on Credit Cards at the time they enacted the Credit Card Protection law, are business and personal card interest as gone from 9%-16%, and all of our credit limits were reduced to the point that our Credit Score dropped 2 points.

The same is going to happen with Health Insurance Premiums as companies will continue to raise rates as much as they can get away with until the law prohibiting them to do so goes into effect in 2014.

So from now until 2014 our Group Insurance premiums will increase more than they would have and for 4 years we will be paying for a Bill that we will see no benefit from until 2014.

As far as Obamas tax cuts for small businesses, thats a big joke if you look at what the provision says. We get a break on Capital Gains, big deal, we like many small business are broke and have little if any income from Capital Gains, and if we hire someone full-time that has been Unemployed for X period of time we get a tax credit, whippy ding! Few can afford hiring new employees even with this tax credit. He clearly doesn't understand how small business functions and the problems we face today.

We can probably stay afloat. I am not so sure about others. They will be finding that Obama has spent more to date then Bush did during his total presidency and in the end, they will see their taxes go up, more job losses and more broken campaign promises. Promises that were not realistic to begin with.

 

[bernynhel]

No offense Can't but to me you are being as bigoted as you accuse Bern of being...

Thanks but in all fairness, I did err in the offending post by failing to catch that the quotation marks in the offending sentence did not extend far enough to, actually, include the offending phrase. And Cant_Get _Right doesn't know me from Adam. I PM'd him. I replied to his post. If he's still not cool with me on this he can press me on anything he chooses or ignore me. But I'll make every reasonable effort to do what it takes so that no one mistakes me for a racist.

I had assumed that the lifting of my ban would dispel any such assumptions yet I see now, thanks to Cant_Get_Right, that everything about the issue since my offending post, on the surface, can easily be interpreted entirely differently. And I think Cant_Get_Right was referring to my decision- making Klan friends who had the authority to lift my CM ban.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Thanks but in all fairness, I did err in the offending post by failing to catch that the quotation marks in the offending sentence did not extend far enough to, actually, include the offending phrase. And Cant_Get _Right doesn't know me from Adam. I PM'd him. I replied to his post. If he's still not cool with me on this he can press me on anything he chooses or ignore me. But I'll make every reasonable effort to do what it takes so that no one mistakes me for a racist.

I had assumed that the lifting of my ban would dispel any such assumptions yet I see now, thanks to Cant_Get_Right, that everything about the issue since my offending post, on the surface, can easily be interpreted entirely differently. And I think Cant_Get_Right was referring to my decision- making Klan friends who had the authority to lift my CM ban.

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[bernynhel]

LOL! Chappelle's crazy! "Because she's a "N" lover" !!!

 

[RedAndi]

Oh man I miss that show, but I have crazy respect for him for walking away from easy money and just wanting to be content with what he already had (not many would do that....greed, greed, greed).

Do you remember the skit of the white family whose last name was "N word", and Chappelle played their milkman, he would just pop his head in and say
" Hi Nwords!!"
He did it with such glee I would just crack up



PS- I hope we are not gonna get in trouble for discussing this, just talking comedy shows peeps.....

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Do you remember the skit of the white family whose last name was "N word", and Chappelle played their milkman, he would just pop his head in and say
" Hi Nwords!!"

Yes

 

[gloria460]

@ Ftdoctor

I had started to address each one of your untruths but it doesn't do any good. Let's just agree to disagree. I don't get my information solely on the news but various organizations, articles and to a certain degree listening to C-span, CNN, Fact Check, Politico, etc.

I do research and I read to find out what benefits me and others. and what is good for this country not just my own personal being.

“This development can be both good and bad for democracy. For if we choose only to expose ourselves to opinions and viewpoints that are in line with our own, studies suggest that we will become more polarized and set in our ways. And that will only reinforce and even deepen the political divides in this country. But if we choose to actively seek out information that challenges our assumptions and our beliefs, perhaps we can begin to understand where the people who disagree with us are coming from.

“Now this requires us to agree on a certain set of facts to debate from, and that is why we need a vibrant and thriving news business that is separate from opinion makers and talking heads. That’s why we need a citizenry that values information, and not just assertion. As Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, ‘Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.’

“Still, if you’re someone who only reads the editorial page of The New York Times, try glancing at the page of The Wall Street Journal once in awhile. If you’re a fan of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, try reading a few columns on the Huffington Post website. It may make your blood boil; your mind may not often be changed. But the practice of listening to opposing views is essential for effective citizenship. It is essential for our Democracy.”
President Barack Obama

 

[bernynhel]

To your point on the owner of the Dodgers ...

Here's where footdr explains capital gains to me and that really really rich people don't live paycheck to paycheck by drawing $356,987,000 in take home pay every other Friday. I either forgot my pen during the lectures on capital gains in one of my tax law classes during my fellowship at Boalt or I was on Quaaludes. But, for sure, it was mentioned!

I have no idea who Robert Rector is...

SURPRISE! SURPRISE! - Gomer Pyle, USMC

Robert Rector is only the author of the article you suggest I should Google and read so that I might begin to be as well informed as you obviously are in all things Obama:

...
Google this article for more on how Obama and his Administration have changed the formula for determining the Poverty Level:

Obamas New Poverty Measurement Published on March 8, 2010 by Robert Rector

Ring a bell, now?

...but my information comes from many pieces of....

It certainly does!

What's the matter, you couldn't find any articles by Idi Amin or Nicolae Ceausescu or Pol Pot to support your arguments so you had to resort to that POS Rector!?

No idea who these people are!

Uh, sooooooo... you were so busy earning degrees in "Science" and "Management" then immersed in being a "Health Care Administrator for the VA" and "Managing you husband's medical practice" you never had time to learn anything?

Regarding wars and the cost of maintain a military; what are you nuts!...

Yes! Me Tarzan you Jane. Next!

Yeah I must be nuts to think that with half a million US service men and women on our military bases around the world, and all the crap to go with it all, at a cost of $1 trillion, a YEAR is a bit much maybe. Call ne crazy!

When you consider the last time we engaged the Taliban for a dog fight over the skies of Afghanistan with our F-22 Raptor stealth fighters was never I think we, as the species, Americans might survive the sacrifice if a few $900 toilet seats got scratched off the U.S. Armed Force's "wish list."

Well, I made a dent any way.

Wait! Hold the presses!! What do I spy wi... OK! Second wind. I cant resist:

I don't see Obama pulling the troops out or the democrats cutting off funding as Obama promised, do you?.

In a word?

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...Since I have been a Health Care Administrator for the VA and Public Hosp...

Oy vey! An expert yet!

Since I have a degree in Science and Management and have done ...

Again with the credentials, lady? - Jerry Lewis (still very big n France, I hear!)

"Expert texpert choking smokers don't you think the joker laughs at you? (Hoo-hoo-hoo! Hee-hee-hee! Hah-hah-hah!) - the Beatles

@ Ftdoctor

I had started to address each one of your untruths but it doesn't do any good. Let's just agree to disagree....

LOL!! So did I - TWICE! And TWICE I had dozed off 3/4 of the way through and the site refreshed, timing me out and wiping out everythng. But footdr is a plethora of GOP propaganda!

I love this one:

...Clinton did support subprime mortgages, do the research!...

Nice try! As IF you didn't know that Phil Gramm (Republican/TX) and Jim Leach (R/Iowa) introduced the Senate and House versions of this bill, respectively! [/I]Quote]

Sorry, but Bush simply didn't cause the havoc that Obama has.

Yes. He did. When a sitting president pretends something isn't happening on his watch, and it had been Bush's watch for nearly 6 years before any of this surfaced, that's exactly where the buck stops!

...do the research!...

If you had done the research you then might know what you're talking about which helps one remember a few important details like the name of the legislation you're falsely attempting to use as proof in your clumsey attempt to, somehow, make Clinton Bush's scapegoat on the recessioin? Really! The Teabaggers think they're going there with this?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

As if Clinton were behind toxic derivatives!! Of course he threatened a veto of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLBA)! He didn't want anythng snuck into the bill between agreeing to and signing. And his signing, what was also called the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 changed nothing which caused this recession. Securities firms were already allowed to trade toxic derrivitives prior to GLBA. GLBA repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 and allowed commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies to consolidate. And if this aspect had anything to do with the recession it would have originatd in Europe where they never had any Glasss-Steagall type regulation. If anythng it made the first stages of the recovery run smoother by eliminating any snags which might hae stalled B of A from Buying Merrill Lynch.

By the way, Obama has a Democratic Congress and yet you radical liberals...

I'm no gawddamned liberal, radical, or otherwise, "Doc". I just hate Republicans more than I hate everybody else, by the way.

 

[footdr]

bernynhel your lack of knowledge amazes me....

and, apparently you need to go back to school as you don't understand the difference between ordinary income, taxed at marginal rates and income received on investments which is called a Capital Gain and you pay a Capital Gains Tax.

My point was that the very wealthy tend to live off of their investments and the amount they earn from those investments is taxed at a rate much lower than Ordinary income is.

When you have as much money as the top 6% it is easy to avoid a huge tax bill on ordinary income.

The remainder of your comments deserve no response.

 

[footdr]

Gloria460

@ Ftdoctor

I had started to address each one of your untruths but it doesn't do any good. Let's just agree to disagree. I don't get my information solely on the news but various organizations, articles and to a certain degree listening to C-span, CNN, Fact Check, Politico, etc.

I don't believe the statments I made are untrue. There is plenty of independent research to back up what I said. Some comments were my own opinions. My opinion is as good as any.

Agreeing to disagree is how it should be as I also find discussing this any further pointless.

Unlike the posts by bernynhel, your comments are civil and I appreciate that.

 

[bernynhel]

and, apparently you need to go back to school as you don't understand the difference between ordinary income, taxed at marginal rates and income received on investments which is called a Capital Gain and you pay a Capital Gains Tax.

My point was that the very wealthy tend to live off of their investments and the amount they earn from those investments is taxed at a rate much lower than Ordinary income is.

Why do you keep repeating yourself? Though whether or not I pay a "Capital Gains Tax" (sic) is none of your business, how do you know I don't pay a "Capital Gains Tax" (sic) ? Perhaps the prospect that I may not know what "Capital Gains Tax" (sic) is or how it may differ from income derived from wages or salaries appeals to your sense of superiority so much ("...by the way Obama has a Democratic congress...", "You need to read the CBO reports...", "...you need to go back to school...", "...you don't understand...", "...Ordinary income.." Oh yeah? Well, you need a spanking is what you need! ), that you just can't help yourself when you eagerly rush to such a wild assumption about me from my sentence: "I don't believe that the owners of the Dodgers should ever owe $0 taxes, ever, as nobody else should either.". I have to admit that, at first, you caught me off guard. So I showed the sentence to 14 different people and I asked each one, "What can you deduce about me from that sentence?" How many do you think answered, "Well, for one, it's obvious you know nothing about "Capital Gains Tax" (sic)? No. Not all 14. No one deduced anything even close. I will tell you that I am familiar enough with the capital gains tax to know that no congressman or senator named "Capital Gains" ever introduced legislature that was passed and still bears his name, the "Capital Gains Tax". What's your excuse?

The remainder of your comments deserve no response.

As I, too, would avoid responding at any excuse, if I were you, either.

 

[slotplayer]

Amazing how anyone can dismiss the repeal of Glass Stegall Act as not the cause of or at the least partly to blame for the financial crisis is beyond me.

What was Phil Gramms rationale for crafting and pushing this legislation anyway? let me guess. GREED

Why would Clinton to want to push for loans to the poor?

VOTES

Same as the current immigration issue, these votes are needed to secure the next election, period.

 

[LaurieJim]

and, apparently you need to go back to school as you don't understand the difference between ordinary income, taxed at marginal rates and income received on investments which is called a Capital Gain and you pay a Capital Gains Tax.

My point was that the very wealthy tend to live off of their investments and the amount they earn from those investments is taxed at a rate much lower than Ordinary income is.

When you have as much money as the top 6% it is easy to avoid a huge tax bill on ordinary income.

The remainder of your comments deserve no response.

Its no use in trying to debate, Gloria is fair and will engage debates with reason imo, others will not, thus why i stay out of the political threads now.

Laurie