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Do you feel Members of Congress should be forced to enroll themselves in the health

Discussion in 'Political Rants' started by jas2587, Apr 20, 2010.

    Apr 20, 2010
  1. jas2587

    jas2587 Ueber Meister

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    This congressman has a site where you can sign up on his petition if you are in favor or if you are not that Congress' members should have to enroll in whatever they vote for the American public.


    On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a two-page amendment that would require all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new government-run health plan.

    It took me less than a minute to sign up to require our congressmen and senators to drink at the same trough! Three cheers for Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana! Congressman John Fleming ( Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt).

    Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and Sign his petition (very simple - just email). I have just done just that at:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.


    Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!

    If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congress should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families.To do otherwise is the height of hypocrisy!

    Cindy
     
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  2. Apr 20, 2010
  3. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

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    Members of Congress have the best federal health care on earth, like all federal public servants. Many of them tried to include every man, woman and child in the US in the same program but some people in bed with the insurance companies (Republicans) and some right to lifers (yes, members of congress' insurance covers abortion) shot it down by calling it socialist or they didn't want anybody else to get abortions with federal money. It would have been called a "single payer". So the "teabaggers" and "patriots" and "bigots" who "want their country back" from that *snip* president - cuz that's what all of this is really about, after all, got everyone all riled up but we still lucked out and got some badly needed health care reform even though it isn't the greatest bill that many had hoped for.

    Now, in answer to the question: No. Of course they shouldn't be forced to do a goddamned thing just like no one else is being forced to do a goddamned thing. I haven't been forced to do anything and there isn't anyone who can post otherwise cuz to do so would be a bald-faced lie.

    Besides, it's a trick question as no "government-run" health plan exists. Not even Medicare or Medicaid qualify as "government-run" since no one is obliged to participate in either and Medicare can be supplemented with private health insurance as people see fit to do so. But I guess you can go sign a petition on the bet that one may exist, one day. Maybe. LOL :lolup:
     
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  4. Apr 20, 2010
  5. anniemac

    anniemac Ueber Meister MM PABnoaccred

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    WTF, Berny! Have you completely lost it? There is absolutely no need to post what you did. It is offensive and downright hateful.
     
  6. Apr 20, 2010
  7. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

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    Bern, you need to say your sorry for using one of the most offensive words known, shame on you:mad:

    Laurie
     
  8. Apr 20, 2010
  9. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

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    Forum Rules 1.5 - No "Offensive" Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, racist, sexist, discriminatory, or otherwise violative of any local or international laws.


    Not the first time we've had to ban this person for foul language, abusive posts and suchlike: 30 days exile effective immediately.
     
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  10. Apr 20, 2010
  11. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

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    Jesus- you run hot and cold Bern..
     
  12. Apr 20, 2010
  13. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

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    Not for the next 30 days he doesn't.
     
  14. Apr 20, 2010
  15. gloria460

    gloria460 Meister Member

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    You know everybody claimed to know what was in the healthcare bill but they didn't. Bern was right but jeez he expressed it so badly that I will try to say what he said so rudely.

    The healthcare bill when it was initially presented was the same healthcare that members of congress has with a single pay option. The republicans did not want it and asked for that to be removed as they did with other options in the healthcare bill and then when it was watered down sufficiently for them they all voted no against the bill.

    They rallied all the GOP members to vote no even though some wanted to work with the president in passing healthcare.

    Everything is not in black and white. I really don't know what the fuss is all about. It has been said by countless news organizations, the president and it's in black and white in the bill. You can keep your healthcare..you don't have to change a thing.
     
  16. Apr 20, 2010
  17. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots

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    Hey Maxd I think you should take that word out of that post.
    It's not called for for any reason.
    We know that word means ignorant
    I don't care if your green,red,pink,silver we are all people.
    That's one word I hate.
    ~T~


    Ps I forgot to tell you the Quoted post Laurie has still has it in it.
    Thank You
    ~T~
     
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  18. Apr 20, 2010
  19. elscrabinda

    elscrabinda Experienced Member PABnorogue PABnoaccred

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    I'm not arguing against the rules- ban whoever you like, but its clear that if berny hates anyone it is people who in his opinion are anti-Obama precisely because of his race. The word is indeed shocking but he was projecting the opinion onto Republicans, clearly not expressing his own views of Obama.

    This reminds me of the ridiculous furore over that New Yorker cover which people also completely missed the point over.
     
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  20. Apr 20, 2010
  21. Mavin1

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    My feelings is congress and lawmakers should never put on the public that which they would not do or use themselves and they should have to live under the same rules, laws and regulations as everyone else. Plain and simple.

    What has been forgotten or ignored is that they work for us, we are their employer, not the other way around.
     
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  22. Apr 20, 2010
  23. GGW Laurie

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    Well put Mavin:thumbsup:

    Laurie
     
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  24. Apr 20, 2010
  25. anniemac

    anniemac Ueber Meister MM PABnoaccred

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    elscrabinda, I just reread Jas original post and nowhere did I see a mention of Obama. Congressmen and Senators, yes , with no distinction between Rep. and Dem. So I don't see where Bernynhel could have picked up that she was bashing Obama at all.

    As a matter of fact, I heard a comment on "The View" from Whoopi Goldberg about the Pres. health plan. Her comment was "I want the same thing that they have." Meaning the President, Congress and Senate in regards to health care.

    The word he used should never be used, I don't care who is saying what. I am sort of a Republican (southerner and Texan) and I can assure you that word hasn't come out of my mouth ever. My mother would have washed my mouth out with soap.

    Personally, by the time the Healthcare plan goes into effect, I will be on Medicare so who knows what I will have for healthcare.
     
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  26. Apr 20, 2010
  27. Cant_Get_Right

    Cant_Get_Right Banned User

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    30 days??? You have black members here that find him offensives and such a so-called person doesn't deserve to be a member any longer. I suggest a permanent ban is in order. There is no place here for such racist and bigotry remarks!!!
     
  28. Apr 20, 2010
  29. Cant_Get_Right

    Cant_Get_Right Banned User

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    WHAT??? He called him the N word. There is no excuse for that. No matter how you want to spin it. Jews take slander of their race. Very very seriously. There can't be a double standard. Berny deserves to be banned from here forever. What if someone came on here and start calling whites the C word. He would be banned for good in a heart beat.
     
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  30. Apr 20, 2010
  31. jas2587

    jas2587 Ueber Meister

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    OK I am lost what is the C word? you can pm me it

    Cindy
     
  32. Apr 20, 2010
  33. RobWin

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    Here's a hint Cindy... Saltine _______ .... ;)
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  34. Apr 21, 2010
  35. elscrabinda

    elscrabinda Experienced Member PABnorogue PABnoaccred

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    He made the point that there are some people who are anti-Obama precisely because he is black. Its perfectly valid to have a rule that certain words should not be used, but what is unfair is to argue that Berney is racist when he is actually pointing out the racism of others.
     
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  36. Apr 22, 2010
  37. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Admin Note: offensive terms

    Even though bernynhel was using the n-word from someone else's perspective, it is crucial that this is done in a way that shows that he was not personally making this comment. He should have referrenced it or used quoted material. To overlook this gives the impression that these are your words.

    Nevertheless, I don't feel that the use of "nigger" was necessary. There are other ways to get a point across. This obviously wasn't the way to do it.

    After looking at this, I understand the point he was trying to make, but he should have used better judgment - taking in consideration how the other members might have responded. Looking at the thread, maybe only one or two people "got it."

    I don't believe Bernynhel is a racist, and after re-reading his post a couple of times, I don't think he intended to attack other members with it. I'm lifting his suspension with the understanding that he'll use more discretion and tact while posting controversial material.
     
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  38. Apr 22, 2010
  39. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    Agreed!

    Thanks for taking the time to see the true context of what was said, if only others would do that before hand...

    Thanks for taking the time and understanding our point of views we posted elsewhere...much appreciated. :cool:
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