[Discussion] Affiliation

[deleted20230517]

Hi,

I'm curious to learn and understand, how others in this niche are actively promoting their affiliation. I primarily focus on websites, with existing traffic and usually pointing to some casino related content. I do get some signups but the majority is only after the free bonus. I see alot of content creators active on Youtube with for example the many "Join our discord for a free give away" and be sucked into a channel with all it's worth.

Do you guys see the change in shift in this all? How do you tackle it? Currently i'm only active with website + email marketing.

 

[maxd]

deleted20230517 , can you see the Affiliate Issues forum? I'm guessing you might not because you're not marked as a Webmeister. Anyway, that's likely the best place for this topic.

As far as access goes I think you have access as soon as you join the Webmeisters group, but I am a little rusty on this and would have to check/test to be sure.

FWIW we used to do Casinomeister videos and podcasts. Back in the day they got a lot more traction than they do these days and we've more or less moved on to other things. I'm no SEO guy -- total blind spot for me TBH -- but from what I can tell from the work the SEO guys here do it's content, content, and content that make the difference. Obviously if you can build a Youtube channel -- or other social media -- that goes viral that is certainly going to help but not a lot of people can or are willing to pull that off. And there's the "flavour of the week" problem there too: what's a hit today is sh*t tomorrow, as we used to say in the film business.

- Max

 

[deleted20230517]

Yeah you can move this to webmasters; thought i was in that group by now. Anyway;

SEO is what i mostly excell out; i can push anything in the course of a year from blanc to the top. But the casino business is a different one and really competetive - i mean you got big marketeers pushing out articles on sites that have a skyrocket authority, and almost impossible to enter unless you have a grand grand grand bag of chips to buy yourself in.

Youtube seems to be quite easy - the give aways are actually the promotion a channel needs. These days with these random raffles with post your username and hit a like it is designed to circumvent those algorithms the larger platform(s) thrive on. And often they succeed and even get to promote the most scummy brands out there.

 

[maxd]

Hey if you've got the energy by all means go for it! IMHO Youtube is one of the least trashy social media venues out there. I've discovered a lot of truly great stuff over the years and it totally can be a rocket behind your venture if you get it right.

I'll move the thread to Webmeisters this afternoon when I do the house-keeping sweep. If you have any problems seeing it there, or whatever, let me know and I'll get things sorted out for you.

- Max

 

[deleted20230517]

Good luck on the cleaning...

Ive bin watching some folks very closely on the startup of a youtube community followed with a discord. It's a hell of a work. But most action you see is, you guessed it, provided by the casino. It's really all a show to entice folks into gambling. Cant be anything more clear with give aways, free raffles and what more.

Ill cook on something i might start working on. Bashing existing (fake) streamers worked well lol.

 

[justdoit]

Good luck on the cleaning...

Ive bin watching some folks very closely on the startup of a youtube community followed with a discord. It's a hell of a work. But most action you see is, you guessed it, provided by the casino. It's really all a show to entice folks into gambling. Cant be anything more clear with give aways, free raffles and what more.

Ill cook on something i might start working on. Bashing existing (fake) streamers worked well lol.

Twitter also work, spacial when new game is out you ask provider to promote your casinos, like youtuber The Bandit he even gets paid to play new games by provider's , he calls Single Slots Series and name of the slots

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[deleted20230517]

I know, i follow him.

And i noticed when new slots are released, all the fake streamers are told to stream that game, and suddenly you see a whole hype being created among one game. The obvious.

 

[dunover]

The great Google shake-up 30-odd months ago changed the landscape, rather than content, content like it used to be, it's now all about back links. I've seen data on some aff sites and they have thousands of links they've bought. Google ad keywords work (if you've a big budget to fend off bids from rivals once they see the keywords you bought.)

YT doesn't permit direct marketing links (which used to be a brilliant source of revenue and clicks) and only links to your website. Try direct affiliate links in videos/descriptions and your channel will last 2 days.

YT recently issued an update and there's a form to fill in for gambling channels coming up soon. This is so they can check out the sites you promote on your website are all legit and properly licensed for the jurisdictions you advertise to. This applies to both channels with a single casino sponsor OR 'aggregators' by which they mean sites like mine and CM which provide numerous gambling sites.

I believe this is in response to the Twitch crackdown last year and various license authorities contacting YT regarding the dodgy sites being promoted.

Of course, if you don't want to fill all this out then simply don't link to your affiliate website in the YT videos.

 

[justdoit]

I know, i follow him.

And i noticed when new slots are released, all the fake streamers are told to stream that game, and suddenly you see a whole hype being created among one game. The obvious.

Bandit plays in VideoSlots I dont think you can play with fake money in VideoSlots

 

[justdoit]

The great Google shake-up 30-odd months ago changed the landscape, rather than content, content like it used to be, it's now all about back links. I've seen data on some aff sites and they have thousands of links they've bought. Google ad keywords work (if you've a big budget to fend off bids from rivals once they see the keywords you bought.)

YT doesn't permit direct marketing links (which used to be a brilliant source of revenue and clicks) and only links to your website. Try direct affiliate links in videos/descriptions and your channel will last 2 days.

YT recently issued an update and there's a form to fill in for gambling channels coming up soon. This is so they can check out the sites you promote on your website are all legit and properly licensed for the jurisdictions you advertise to. This applies to both channels with a single casino sponsor OR 'aggregators' by which they mean sites like mine and CM which provide numerous gambling sites.

I believe this is in response to the Twitch crackdown last year and various license authorities contacting YT regarding the dodgy sites being promoted.

Of course, if you don't want to fill all this out then simply don't link to your affiliate website in the YT videos.

what you think of this? are they avoiding to deal with it and blaming each other? I do agree with UKGC in here that is ASA job to deal with it

 

[dunover]

what you think of this? are they avoiding to deal with it and blaming each other? I do agree with UKGC in here that is ASA job to deal with it

No,I don't think so as indirect advertising is outside the remit of the UKGC.

 

[L&L-Jan]

I do get some signups but the majority is only after the free bonus

After reading this, I assume the site you refer players to a casino is not about gambling/casino? I mean the content is about another subject, or is it about gambling?

 

[deleted20230517]

YT recently issued an update and there's a form to fill in for gambling channels coming up soon. This is so they can check out the sites you promote on your website are all legit and properly licensed for the jurisdictions you advertise to. This applies to both channels with a single casino sponsor OR 'aggregators' by which they mean sites like mine and CM which provide numerous gambling sites.

That's actually quite good if you think of it. Many channels now advertise or promote casino's with the use of a VPN. But it's still sketchy, lets say i would be playing using a VPN from a banned country, upon KYC i would be toast. Shit they dont tell you in their video's tho.

After reading this, I assume the site you refer players to a casino is not about gambling/casino? I mean the content is about another subject, or is it about gambling?

Is this forum part disclosed? I run over 76 websites by now with a additional page with "online gambling" - basicly some images, some text, click the link and get free 50$ upon signup (only after you done a deposit). But what i see alot now is free loaders, the conversion is actually quite bad.

 

[deleted20230517]

I've attempted to contact quite some dutch casino's after the licensing thing. Problem is; nobody wants to be asociated with over 75 escort based sites. Mind you, escort is fully legal in Holland. And i do run a larger network of sites that promote the service of an agency. The websites are rented out on a monthly basis. I provide SEO, bookings, calls etc and they rent it with their number onto it.

Conversion for for example webcams, works. Simular with phonesex. I've bin experimenting with it for quite some time. But i feel like i need to target larger - international. My SEO "power" has bin excellent. Mind you i work for both normal, mid and high class agency's with some of them even offering world wide service. To give you an impression: i compete with the best with far less required then what they need.

It's just the power of websites i have build over the years. I wont be having to use someone else's linkjuice or linkspace to grow.

 

[L&L-Jan]

Conversion for for example webcams, works. Simular with phonesex.

Sex content combined with gambling doesnt work, trust me, been there done that

Content needs to connect, its not about SEO these days anymore to hit conversions.

 

[dunover]

Sex content combined with gambling doesnt work, trust me, been there done that

Content needs to connect, its not about SEO these days anymore to hit conversions.

Oh, I dunno, had a few lucky dips in the past.

 

[justdoit]

The great Google shake-up 30-odd months ago changed the landscape, rather than content, content like it used to be, it's now all about back links. I've seen data on some aff sites and they have thousands of links they've bought. Google ad keywords work (if you've a big budget to fend off bids from rivals once they see the keywords you bought.)

YT doesn't permit direct marketing links (which used to be a brilliant source of revenue and clicks) and only links to your website. Try direct affiliate links in videos/descriptions and your channel will last 2 days.

YT recently issued an update and there's a form to fill in for gambling channels coming up soon. This is so they can check out the sites you promote on your website are all legit and properly licensed for the jurisdictions you advertise to. This applies to both channels with a single casino sponsor OR 'aggregators' by which they mean sites like mine and CM which provide numerous gambling sites.

I believe this is in response to the Twitch crackdown last year and various license authorities contacting YT regarding the dodgy sites being promoted.

Of course, if you don't want to fill all this out then simply don't link to your affiliate website in the YT videos.

facebook all read did

 

[deleted20230517]

Sex content combined with gambling doesnt work, trust me, been there done that

Content needs to connect, its not about SEO these days anymore to hit conversions.

Hey Jan. I breath sex. Thats why i'm active in that business for 15 years. We're talking visitors who already either ready to go or looking on how much they can get for the money. You also got people who would like to book, but at the moment do not have the funds. Thats why i see a great conversion in cams or phonesex for that matter. Casino has bin trickly but now in Holland or Belgium things being licenced and slowly "accepted" i see a bit of growth in that as well.

I'm going to work on a little plan, and see what that will bring me.

 

[maxd]

Hey Jan. I breath sex. ... i see a great conversion in cams or phonesex for that matter. ...

Dude! Most of your posts are about how nasty the casino industry is and now you're telling us you're into promoting internet sex and porn? WTF? Talk about yielding the moral high ground!

 

[incrediblestuff]

called it...

 

[justdoit]

Dude! Most of your posts are about how nasty the casino industry is and now you're telling us you're into promoting internet sex and porn? WTF? Talk about yielding the moral high ground!

dont ask him how many no gamstop casinos he advertise ? p.s. not sure is it male or female sex he advertise lol

 

[maxd]

... how many no gamstop casinos he advertise ? ...

That's not cool either! Do you have more info on this? PM me at @maxd if you'd prefer not to post.

 

[L&L-Jan]

My gut feeling says the sites are not in the English language, so i guess you can say non-gamstop casinos is not applicable to site visitors.

 

[lnspin]

Ive tried to porn and gambling angle, didnt work

 

[paul7388]

Sex and gambling are basically the same.

Withdraw too late and it costs you.

 

[deleted20230517]

Come'on...

since this thread is wide open i'm not going in detail to what i exactly do. No it's not porn. It's a legal business and i happen to cover quite some countries in and outside of europe. Because of that i thrive lots of traffic and i'm experimenting with casino affiliation.

It's not so difficult. All is legal by law.

 

[deleted20230517]

My gut feeling says the sites are not in the English language, so i guess you can say non-gamstop casinos is not applicable to site visitors.

Is'nt Gamstop something from the UK? In that case, no, i dont advertise those specific. I do however tell that gambling can have a addiction nature. No i do not target "problem gamblers" or ways to avoid gamban/gamstop or whatever.

 

[justdoit]

Is'nt Gamstop something from the UK? In that case, no, i dont advertise those specific. I do however tell that gambling can have a addiction nature. No i do not target "problem gamblers" or ways to avoid gamban/gamstop or whatever.

BC.game is same ppl

 

[maxd]

Come'on...

since this thread is wide open i'm not going in detail to what i exactly do. No it's not porn. It's a legal business and i happen to cover quite some countries in and outside of europe. Because of that i thrive lots of traffic and i'm experimenting with casino affiliation.

It's not so difficult. All is legal by law.

That's your defence? "It's legal" and that's supposed to make it fine? Sex cams and phone sex are part of the sex trade and that's all pornography whether you want to put it that way or not.

If you've been in that business for 15 years then you know very well what you are doing and that most people take a pretty dim view of it. And I daresay you sail a lot closer to exploitation and abuse than the casinos you bang on about. Remember that next time you're about to post how horrible this or that casino is because their payments are delayed or whatever. I'm beginning to think you've got an agenda here that has little or nothing to do with the proper treatment of players.

How about this? Next time you want to take a run at a casino begin your post by saying "Hi, my name is <whatever> and I'm a professional pornographer." At least then all the cards will be on the table and your casino complaints will be framed in the proper context.

- Max

 

[deleted20230517]

I have almost forgot how UK is in the ban of that topic in a general sense, where you need to submit your ID now in order to watch porn.

Sorry where i'm from we're liberal, and we have a open view on those topics. I am doing within the law framework and because of that i can live abroad too for the last 5 years as a internet enterpreneur.

I'm hoping to hit a (good) way to merge these a bit more. Phonesex, Webcams, are'nt illegal. People are looking for a kick. I provide. And looking at the traffic i do on a daily to weekly to monthly basis i'm doing a damn good job.

Exploitation is a bad word - i stick with the law and i prefer really a voluntary business. That goes with most providers. I'm not your andrew tate either.

 

[maxd]

"I am doing within the law framework ... i stick with the law". Excellent! Let's have you apply the same rule when you want to slag a casino then, shall we? If they're breaking the law feel free to post about it. If they aren't then you really shouldn't have much to complain about, should you, and you're welcome to keep it to yourself. If you won't respect that voluntarily you'll be added to the Moderated Users list.

- Max

 

[deleted20230517]

Wow you know what,

Account deletion time.

 

[Ginogenelli]

Unsure why this guy's occupation has got max so riled up? Why should he be told to be careful what he posts in future due to his choice of profession?

 

[maxd]

Wow you know what,

Account deletion time.

Hmm, not getting the free run of the place you had hoped for? I guess we're not as useful to you when there are limitations on your faux moral outrage.

Feel free to contact me at [email protected] if you want to discuss your options.

UPDATE: account deleted per request.

Unsure why this guy's occupation has got max so riled up? Why should he be told to be careful what he posts in future due to his choice of profession?

Because he's a barking hypocrite. He pedals porn as a day job but is more than happy to pillory casinos for late payments and slow KYC. The fact of the matter is -- IMHO -- that he doesn't give a fat rat's arse about anything but his "internet enterpreneur" activities. His blathering on about this or that casino is for one purpose and one purpose only, to drive traffic to himself. Note that his user name was the name of his website, but enough of that free advertising. Anyway, that's not what we're here for. He'll can take his broken moral compass and pedal it elsewhere.

 

[pinnit2014]

Certainly was a good bit of cognitive dissonance going on: bent/rigged casino's & games...but i have adverts to direct people on my site. Eh?

 

[maxd]

Certainly was a good bit of cognitive dissonance going on ...

Quite so! I think I should have renamed the account that instead, "CognitiveDissonance". Oh, the temptation.

 

[The Dude]

Wow you know what,

Account deletion time.

Sounds like someone tossing their toys out of the pram. You can dish out the heat targeting whatever streamer you don't like, a casino, or even what we do at Casinomeister - or me personally - but when the target is you, you go "delete my account please".

What a disappointment. You had made some pretty good comments in the past, and I would have assumed that being the entrepreneur that you claim to be, that you could handle a debate about your stance on things.

Good luck figuring out your life goals and legacy. Adios!

 

[interlog]

He can always use his other account:

Bloatgoat

Just look at the posting style (the use of bin instead of been)

Just saying like

 

[The Dude]

He can always use his other account:

Bloatgoat

Just look at the posting style (the use of bin instead of been)

Just saying like

You win the CM Detective of the day!

I did some digging and BloatGoat, Slotplayer83 and this account are connected 100%. There is no doubt.

So folks, looks like this guy went the route of being a deceptive multi-account holder here. I am not at all surprised.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Don't forget this 'detective'! I called him out a while back - i ain't no holy bean either but i felt this guy was off from the get go...
Wouldn't have figured he was a multi-accounter here though....