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discrepancy with banking times

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by spintee, Feb 11, 2015.

    Feb 11, 2015
  1. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    We all no that banking can vary across sites, I no the online banking has come along way but what about payment times from casinos?

    I will start with making a deposit, The cash will come off your balance but not actually took out of your bank to a few days later,

    If I deposit at guts and withdraw a few hours later than (off balance instant) normally I see the transaction the next day (money out) and normally money in, Sometimes across sites money is in my bank before it actually shows up, As I said it does come of my balance but not took,
    Example, Had £100 in my bank and I could withdraw £100 than I deposit £50 it will show instantly available balance (withdraw £50) as I spent £50 on casino and than a few days later you actually see the transaction,

    My question is if Coral casino withdraws my cash on Thursday than its n my bank Friday, Same as guts and alot more, But a few sites money comes out and you do not see it for 2-3 days?

    Hello casino must be the quickest I have seen, Deposit on Wednesday at late and Thursday there is the transaction? Not many hours after, But when withdraw it takes two days to get cash,

    Now if I was using ewallets than money would be instant (soon as processed) so why the delay in receiving threw bank, The only thing I can think of is if banking was abroad but if so that still does not explain the hello casino one? Unless there using different banking systems,
     
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  3. paul@bgo

    paul@bgo Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Operations Manager
    Location:
    Norwich, UK
    Some of it depends on the acquirer that the operator is using. If you batch process then it may leave your player account at 1am but only be processed at 11pm, thus you lose a day. Alot of places don't process at all on weekends but it will leave your account. It does also come down to your bank and their trust in you as a customer. If they receive an auth code from us to pay you £XXX then they may decide to credit that to you in good faith, prior to the transaction actually being processed. There are also banks who get the money more quickly and then hold it for a couple of days, like how cheque payments used to work.

    Lots of scenarios and lots of different reasons!
     
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  5. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    Yes it might leave at different times, But if using ewallets it would be instant? I do not use ewallets unless necessary but normally when processed its in your ewallet instant isn't it?

    If I go by your reply Paul than is it instant in my bank as soon as you release it? Only as I said any time I have used ewallets and money is not pending than its in ewallet instantly, I no as it leaves pending it may need reviewing but any time I have used ewallets and money not pending than its in there,

    Update:: 90% of my withdraws are on hold but as soon as not pending than guarantee its in bank next day, But when I used to use ewallets it was instant? So where does the net bacth come from unless it does mean its gone to banking till the next day and its instant transfer, As 98% of my withdraws goes in bank any time of day
     
  6. Feb 11, 2015
  7. paul@bgo

    paul@bgo Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Operations Manager
    Location:
    Norwich, UK
    Ewallets are generally instant yes but banks don't tend to be, unless it's a domestic transfer which now takes around 2 hours. I've never actually worked in banking so I couldn't tell you why they delay payment, but the way it works is we send a request to your payment provider for a transaction auth code - once they reply, we process it. We will then have an ARN reference which both bank and operator can use to track a payment - handy info if you are ever waiting on a payment and keep getting fobbed off, request the ARN ref and then contact your bank and ask them what they're playing at. If for whatever reason the operator won't give you an ARN, they're probably lying about having paid you, because it's useless information to anyone other than the person receiving the money.

    Once the ARN ref is available though it generally means the delay is on your banks side since they have to process the funds and credit to your account. However, this comes back to the acquirer being used and if money has to go via a 3rd party for compliance reasons (which isn't uncommon), it can add an extra delay.
     
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  9. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    Alow that I not understand much of that it probs rings true,But I have heard that banks are tight on money going out ect I have not had one such problem, Thosuands of trans gone threw my bank and not a bell ring, Only as I deposits small and no win much so just about every casino has had more money I have put in, May be if I was puting thousands in and taking thousands out it be different story,

    Now thats the only bit I have heard about asking id transaction ect and why it takes casinos alot of time? As the other day I set up online banking for my mum and she has been banking there for years but she does not no whats what, I hat to go threw hoops to sort out but now thats done I can transferw money in a instant, So why not the same for casinos?
     
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  11. paul@bgo

    paul@bgo Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Operations Manager
    Location:
    Norwich, UK
    Card payments and wire transfers are 2 totally different things. Card payments go through an acquirer, transfers go directly into a bank account. The acquirer are the ones responsible for handling the payment but it is still primarily banks that hold money - for what reason I do not know.
     
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  12. Feb 12, 2015
  13. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    What is an acquirer? Would it just not be eaiser just to make a wire transfer?

    I mean alot of transactions on my statements do not even mention casino, Just refund, card purchase. Malta
     
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  15. paul@bgo

    paul@bgo Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Operations Manager
    Location:
    Norwich, UK
    The acquirers are the people who handle the payments. In the UK the main one is Worldpay but there are many other smaller ones, each trying to take a little piece of the pie. Gambling transactions are also very different to your run of the mill shopping purchase, they're much more high risk and involve alot more work from the acquirer to process. It's a pretty complex web and not something I full understand myself!

    Wire transfers are labour intensive and you have a world of compliance and AML to compete with when processing. It's not as simple as just putting a few bank ID's in and clicking go, you often need a counter click from a director, you are bound to get some details wrong which results in having to wait an age to get the money back from the bank, you pay hefty fees for international processing, etc etc.
     
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  17. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    I have seen the worldplay crop up a few times, I like the way you pointed out that every one is trying to get there hands in the pie, Thats what's happening now days, to many people trying to turn there gold into platinum when to so many people are struggling to get abit of plastic,

    I will have to live with the not knowing how it all works as you pointed out its complicated,

    Cheers for reply's :thumbsup:
     
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  18. Feb 12, 2015
  19. chris87

    chris87 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Run a bar
    Location:
    UK
    It's an interesting debate and there's obviously more to the process that most customers are aware (including me)

    As for withdrawals of winnings, for me, they're also back to my debit or credit card as that's what I use to deposit and the times can vary. For example I usually play at weekends and withdraw any balances back to my cards on the Sunday evening. This week I was lucky enough to have withdrawals from 4 (accredited) casinos of varying amounts. Checking with them they were all processed on Tuesday, 2 payments credited my card yesterday, 1 today and 1 still hasn't arrived. (All to my debit card) The amount that still hasn't hit my account is the greatest by far (£900) whether this is significant or not I don't know.

    Casinos always say it will take 2 to 5 banking days for monies withdrawn to be received back to cards and I guess they're right to do so given the vagaries of the banking system, but has been mentioned many times before, when the deposit is from the player to the casino's account it is instant and usually then becomes unavailable funds on your bank balance, although it may take a day or 2 to be seen on your statement.
     
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