New Slot Announcement Dead or Alive 2!

[TheAddict]

Tbf to the dude in the bonanza thread with his Donald the pope comparison did state that it is in reality practically impossible to hit 100,000x. Yeah, you'll also get a lot of shite bonus rounds in doa2. You'll also get 8000 spin sessions on bonanza without one bonus at all. (i know, the base game can at times keep you alive to compensate the life long chase for a big hit).
imo It was sold on its potential, in a way, just like doa2. That's the argument. And here we are, years later, still waiting for that one massive hit..
I guess if you enjoy it that's all that matters to some.

 

[goatwack]

Bonanza is sold on the premise of its bonus potential, when in reality it's the base game that keeps people glued. Bonanza can spring some rockets out of nowhere, like £360 off 40p rockets (sorry had to throw that one in again ) whereas DOA 2's base game is akin to watching paint dry whilst admiring one's beard growth in real time.

So if Netent had actually included a Feature Buy for DOA 2 they would have cleaned up, 100%. But I'm not sure where governing bodies stand on that issue right now after all the furore, plus Netent are a very ethical company

 

[Harry_BKK]

I agree here...

When I first saw this game I thought they had done a great job, but actually I don't think they have... you cant have 10,000x wins without an enormous amount of dreadful features. My guess is that this game will have started really well and fallen off a cliff, with people now playing very short sessions, probably at low bets, to try and get a feature and then hope it goes massive, which it wont.

DOA2 has been in the TOP5 of most played slots ever since its release, sometimes dipping to 6th but next week climbing back up.

 

[trancemonkey]

A game producing all these big wins and you think it's not a good slot? Lol

Of course long losing spells happen they do in all slots. But fact a slot exists someone can bet 9p or 18p and win thousands is great.

Their is nothing bad about this game chucking big wins it's why we all gamble.

Fact game is boring as hell is separate point.

But most players, not those on here, are not chasing the 10,000x win. They want good gameplay.

You cant just blanket say massive wins are the ONLY thing you need, that's just crap. By that token, I may as well make a game that pays nothing at all for 105,000 spins, then pays a feature which averages 100,000 and you'll say its brilliant.

 

[trancemonkey]

DOA2 has been in the TOP5 of most played slots ever since its release, sometimes dipping to 6th but next week climbing back up.

That is simply not true for all the figures I see. It may be in terms of games played, although I would dispute that, but it isnt in terms of cash played

 

[nikantw]

Trancemonkey is right. We don't need 30,000x wins to have fun.
And since they are that frequent we definitely pay for them.

I now see in VS its 3rd on the most popular list.

 

[slotter999]

That is simply not true for all the figures I see. It may be in terms of games played, although I would dispute that, but it isnt in terms of cash played

What data are you referring to? I'm curious to know how you would have access to that sort of data for casinos and/or providers?

 

[slotter999]

DOA2 has been in the TOP5 of most played slots ever since its release, sometimes dipping to 6th but next week climbing back up.

I wonder if a single IGT slot has ever even been close to a top ten spot....even once?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

It’s at 106% as of last night.

Is that all time since it’s release or just a certain time period? I can’t check as I’m on my mobile!

I maybe wrong but I guess a lot of people play it like I do. Small stakes and quick spin the shit out of it. Bash the right hand bonus and hope for the ‘one’

I do disagree slightly with some comments. I don’t really play slots to be entertained. I do it for the hope of hitting something huge. This game gives you exactly that chance, all be it at a cost.

Bonanza will always be my fave slot, i session it all the time. I’d never session DOA2 but am happy to throw a few quid at it and give it a few bonuses.

I’ve had about 10,000 spins on DOA2 at videoslots now. Not much I know. Had 3 decent bonuses. A 400ishX a 900ish X and a 1700ish X all on low stakes(18-45p)

There are so many drab and dreary slots out there but at least with DOA2 the drab and dreary base game are made up for by the buzz of that volatile feature. For me that’s important when u get a bonus in a game, I want to believe I have that genuine chance, despite bonanzas lack of huge wins since it’s release I still get that feeling from the game and a fair few of BTG’s others.

It’s all about personal opinion of course. I’m aware of some of the slots that are friend Trance has been involved in. He may think they are entertaining and well made. Would they suit some? Maybe. Would I consider giving 95% of them even a spin? No!! They’re not what I’m about as a player.

 

[shadow123]

Its the game for the the 16k tommorrow

 

[Nate]

Really wish people would stop comparing bonanza to DOA2 you can't compare a VHV game with a MV game.

You might as well compare starburst to DOA, pointless.

They are completely different variance games, you'll soon get bored of DOA2 when you have over 100 features of less than 20x and a base game that constantly destroy's your bankroll. To have had those hits already is just lucky.

I suppose its NOT OK to compare it to something that genuinely hits to the sky and beyond....Yet it is OK to claim unlimited spins and unlimited potential? Basically lie about what the slot can do - because *theoretically* it can hit.

No - I'm not bored of DOA2 - I've had more big hits on it with 5% of the spins I did on Bonanza - FACT.

And to have all those hits on DOA2 is just lucky? Wonder why people haven't been LUCKY on Bonanza then?

Nate

 

[Harry_BKK]

I wonder if a single IGT slot has ever even been close to a top ten spot....even once?

I think Cleopatra and the sequels are quite popular.

 

[Jono777]

I think Cleopatra and the sequels are quite popular.

The original (super fast spinning, no big win count ups) was awesome.

The Cleopatra of today is simply vile, confident the math was changed also as the 'runs' it used to have don't happen anymore.

With this game it was clearly a case of fixing something which was not broken

 

[trancemonkey]

I wonder if a single IGT slot has ever even been close to a top ten spot....even once?

Online... I doubt it.
Land based casinos... absolutely

 

[trancemonkey]

What data are you referring to? I'm curious to know how you would have access to that sort of data for casinos and/or providers?

Bearing in mind I work in the industry and know a lot of people in the online world too at some of the big online casinos, it's not hard to get the information

 

[trancemonkey]

It’s at 106% as of last night.

Is that all time since it’s release or just a certain time period? I can’t check as I’m on my mobile!

I maybe wrong but I guess a lot of people play it like I do. Small stakes and quick spin the shit out of it. Bash the right hand bonus and hope for the ‘one’

I do disagree slightly with some comments. I don’t really play slots to be entertained. I do it for the hope of hitting something huge. This game gives you exactly that chance, all be it at a cost.

Bonanza will always be my fave slot, i session it all the time. I’d never session DOA2 but am happy to throw a few quid at it and give it a few bonuses.

I’ve had about 10,000 spins on DOA2 at videoslots now. Not much I know. Had 3 decent bonuses. A 400ishX a 900ish X and a 1700ish X all on low stakes(18-45p)

There are so many drab and dreary slots out there but at least with DOA2 the drab and dreary base game are made up for by the buzz of that volatile feature. For me that’s important when u get a bonus in a game, I want to believe I have that genuine chance, despite bonanzas lack of huge wins since it’s release I still get that feeling from the game and a fair few of BTG’s others.

It’s all about personal opinion of course. I’m aware of some of the slots that are friend Trance has been involved in. He may think they are entertaining and well made. Would they suit some? Maybe. Would I consider giving 95% of them even a spin? No!! They’re not what I’m about as a player.

100% agree with your comments. Everyone plays for their own reasons... Starburst is hugely popular but does that give massive wins? No...

I do play HV games, and I do play DOA2. But I can also see why to some people it's a huge pull, and to others it is just tedious at times.

 

[slotter999]

Bearing in mind I work in the industry and know a lot of people in the online world too at some of the big online casinos, it's not hard to get the information

Cool. So without revealing your sources - what does the data look like then? Who's winning and by how much?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I imagine DOA2 is the kind of game that could ruin a smaller casino. If somebody(s)/people lucks out on a moderate stake then it could cause issues.

I imagine that’s why the max stake has been capped by many.

If a casino is unlucky and takes a pounding via a few big hits on more generous stakes it could take months/a year or 2 to recover.

 

[trancemonkey]

Cool. So without revealing your sources - what does the data look like then? Who's winning and by how much?

Depends on the casino, but BTG and Blueprint in the main.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I suppose its NOT OK to compare it to something that genuinely hits to the sky and beyond....Yet it is OK to claim unlimited spins and unlimited potential? Basically lie about what the slot can do - because *theoretically* it can hit.

No - I'm not bored of DOA2 - I've had more big hits on it with 5% of the spins I did on Bonanza - FACT.

And to have all those hits on DOA2 is just lucky? Wonder why people haven't been LUCKY on Bonanza then?

Nate

Many slots boast unlimited spins and stuff, its not a lie it just means that its not capped at a certain multiplier or amount, eg some games can only retrigger a maximum amount of times or award max amount of spins or multiplier or overall max win etc. I agree it could be worded better like "Increasing multiplier" rather than unlimited multiplier but the fact remains both statements are true, it does not have a MAX CAP in place, however this does not mean there isnt a mathematical expected max.


My mate has an account that is currently 105,000 spins on DOA2 and is running at 59.97% and hes told me he loves the potential of the game yet never seen it for himself. how is that any different to bonanza its only better than each other if you have actually had a win on it is all i really meant.

I don't play it as it bores me to tears just like the original but thats probably because I have never had any wild line or 5 scatter on either despite trying for years.

The reason they havent been "lucky" on bonanza is because its not a VHV game and therefore not likely to deliver the wins and gameplay of DOA2.

Lets face it, there will be absolutely thousands upon thousands of features on DOA2 daily paying next to nothing to be able to pay all these 10,000x + wins.

And to boot there will be thousands of people playing 50-100 though with very little features or RTP.

If you had a RTP of 50- 60% and no wild lines, 5 scatters or any feature over 200x on DOA2 would you still sing its praises? Because I know many gambling mates that are exactly in that position on DOA2.


Anyway bottom line is I still say you cant compare the two as they are completely different math models.

 

[Nate]

Many slots boast unlimited spins and stuff, its not a lie it just means that its not capped at a certain multiplier or amount, eg some games can only retrigger a maximum amount of times or award max amount of spins or multiplier or overall max win etc. I agree it could be worded better like "Increasing multiplier" rather than unlimited multiplier but the fact remains both statements are true, it does not have a MAX CAP in place, however this does not mean there isnt a mathematical expected max.


My mate has an account that is currently 105,000 spins on DOA2 and is running at 59.97% and hes told me he loves the potential of the game yet never seen it for himself. how is that any different to bonanza its only better than each other if you have actually had a win on it is all i really meant.

I don't play it as it bores me to tears just like the original but thats probably because I have never had any wild line or 5 scatter on either despite trying for years.

The reason they havent been "lucky" on bonanza is because its not a VHV game and therefore not likely to deliver the wins and gameplay of DOA2.

Lets face it, there will be absolutely thousands upon thousands of features on DOA2 daily paying next to nothing to be able to pay all these 10,000x + wins.

And to boot there will be thousands of people playing 50-100 though with very little features or RTP.

If you had a RTP of 50- 60% and no wild lines, 5 scatters or any feature over 200x on DOA2 would you still sing its praises? Because I know many gambling mates that are exactly in that position on DOA2.


Anyway bottom line is I still say you cant compare the two as they are completely different math models.

Naturally, I would sing its praises - Not because MY RTP was crap, but because when NetEnt states it can hit big - It does. I don't need to be digging through Youtube to find some controversial video to prove the slot can hit.

There's the difference right there - There is evidence all over the internet with regards to the potential of DOA2 - Unlike BTG and their trolling, be it through streamers, cloaked shills or even the CEO himself.

IMPO Bonanza is a high variance game - Not medium as some allude to. The feature frequency and actual lack of anything substantial quite often pull it into that territory. There is a thread by another member here where he ran a simulation and LOST 5000x stake without even coming close to recovering.

I would put my play around 20 000 spins on DOA2 - 4000x, 1700x, 1100x, 800x, loads of 200 - 350x and still have an RTP of over 100%.

WRT to BTG, yes - both statements can remain true *theoretically* - That's the gist of my post - Maybe if BTG didn't run around trying to fool everyone in the beginning, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Nate

 

[Siohmy]

Was peeking at the Slot Tracker stats on DOA2 and although there is only like 300k worth of data, it paints an interesting picture nonetheless.

DOA2

Spins +- 300k
Best Hit +- 24 000x
Average Bonus Win +- 100x
Feature Trigger +- 189 spins

To put it into perspective

Bonanza

Spins +- 4.3m
Best Hit +- 3600x
Average Bonus Win +- 102x
Feature Trigger +- 478 spins

I know that the sample sizes are small - especially for DOA, but I like what I see overall.

From my limited play of DOA for testing, I've triggered about maybe 20 - 25 Free Spins. My best Hits were 1200x, 900x, 1700x and 250x in that batch. In comparison, I've never hit 1000x on Bonanza in like maybe 500 features or God knows, even more...

Nate

So what that really tells me is that unless you hit a monster on DOA2 your average bonus win is going to be atrocious, whereas Bonanza is a bit more balanced over a very significant spin sample?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

But most players, not those on here, are not chasing the 10,000x win. They want good gameplay.

You cant just blanket say massive wins are the ONLY thing you need, that's just crap. By that token, I may as well make a game that pays nothing at all for 105,000 spins, then pays a feature which averages 100,000 and you'll say its brilliant.

Completely agree with this. I said as much when the game came out.

It's all good and well having a game that can pay 5 grand on an 18p stake but I don't personally play slots just for the sake of hitting a once in a life time win.

When I play slots I want a decent, immersive session that is packed full of features, whilst knowing there is still the chance of a decent little win.

One of the main reasons I gamstopped to take a break is that most slots these days are taking 3,4,500 spins to even trigger a bonus. That's not fun. With DOA2 you can often go 300 spins with no bonus, then when you finally trigger it it's likely to pay 10x. It appears to me that some people on here are living a charmed life with DOA2 at the moment- but just wait until you find yourself at the other end of its volatility.

People slag off BTG but as far as I'm concerned, slots like DHV have their volatility set just right in relation to potential reward.

 

[YouTubeSlots]

Ill just leave this here...Yet again this game Denies acess to the wildline town. This is the 6th time i have been 1 away from a monster win. Still a near 1000X

 

[Reelsoffun]

IMPO Bonanza is a high variance game - Not medium as some allude to. The feature frequency and actual lack of anything substantial quite often pull it into that territory. There is a thread by another member here where he ran a simulation and LOST 5000x stake without even coming close to recovering.

Nate

If you really think Bonanza is a VHV or even HV game then that's part of the problem, your not understanding game volatility fully. Your stats show it for starters and a recent pic of slot tracker did as well.

I suspect losing 5000x on DOA2 will be even easier and like all slots will only be recoverable with a rare monster hit.


By your own admission IF DOA2 has a 100x ave feature that in itself shows that for every five 10,000x features 550 would have to suffer a 10x or for every one 30,000x feature 330 would suffer a 10x etc

Of course with it giving 15x 20x etc its not that simple but you get the gist.


Keep enjoying it while you're above 100% RTP as someone has also said as soon as the other end of the volatility kicks in for you your gonna be in for a rough ride........

 

[brianmon]

If you really think Bonanza is a VHV or even HV game then that's part of the problem, your not understanding game volatility fully. Your stats show it for starters and a recent pic of slot tracker did as well.

I suspect losing 5000x on DOA2 will be even easier and like all slots will only be recoverable with a rare monster hit.


By your own admission IF DOA2 has a 100x ave feature that in itself shows that for every five 10,000x features 550 would have to suffer a 10x or for every one 30,000x feature 330 would suffer a 10x etc

Of course with it giving 15x 20x etc its not that simple but you get the gist.


Keep enjoying it while you're above 100% RTP as someone has also said as soon as the other end of the volatility kicks in for you your gonna be in for a rough ride........

Yet again, your ignoring the whole point of these discussions. You quoted a select part of Nate's post, and totally avoided the rest

Naturally, I would sing its praises - Not because MY RTP was crap, but because when NetEnt states it can hit big - It does. I don't need to be digging through Youtube to find some controversial video to prove the slot can hit.

There's the difference right there - There is evidence all over the internet with regards to the potential of DOA2 - Unlike BTG and their trolling, be it through streamers, cloaked shills or even the CEO himself.

NO ONE is comparing the maths of the games. JUST the 'claimed' potential of each game.
Not that NetEnt did much in the way of hype, compared to the way BTG do, with every new release.
NetEnt didn't need to - There were No 'exclusive' releases, No tacky streamers, No hype, No need for false promises.
They just released the game, and let the wins speak for themselves.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Yet again, your ignoring the whole point of these discussions. You quoted a select part of Nate's post, and totally avoided the rest


NO ONE is comparing the maths of the games. JUST the 'claimed' potential of each game.
Not that NetEnt did much in the way of hype, compared to the way BTG do, with every new release.
NetEnt didn't need to - There were No 'exclusive' releases, No tacky streamers, No hype, No need for false promises.
They just released the game, and let the wins speak for themselves.

Even tho there was no exclusive release there were streamers involved. Letsgiveitaspin did a whole vlog series about the making off and it was hyped sufficiently on their platform

 

[brianmon]

Even tho there was no exclusive release there were streamers involved. Letsgiveitaspin did a whole vlog series about the making off and it was hyped sufficiently on their platform

I doubt that'll have been sponsored, endorsed or encouraged by NetEnt though.
DOA II was a major release, so obviously the streamers are going to jump on it.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I doubt that'll have been sponsored, endorsed or encouraged by NetEnt though.
DOA II was a major release, so obviously the streamers are going to jump on it.

Oh, it was very much endorsed and encouraged by NetEnt.. He was at their offices a couple of times, check it out on YT if you didn't know about it.

 

[paul7388]

Even tho there was no exclusive release there were streamers involved. Letsgiveitaspin did a whole vlog series about the making off and it was hyped sufficiently on their platform

But did he get a 50000x stake win on his live stream which is only half the games potential. Or does that only work with BTG,

 

[Reelsoffun]

Yet again, your ignoring the whole point of these discussions. You quoted a select part of Nate's post, and totally avoided the rest


NO ONE is comparing the maths of the games.

Yet again, your ignoring the whole point of these discussions. You quoted a select part of Nate's post, and totally avoided the rest


NO ONE is comparing the maths of the games. JUST the 'claimed' potential of each game.
Not that NetEnt did much in the way of hype, compared to the way BTG do, with every new release.
NetEnt didn't need to - There were No 'exclusive' releases, No tacky streamers, No hype, No need for false promises.
They just released the game, and let the wins speak for themselves.

Im not ignoring anything i just kept the bit i was answering but when you compare games to each other of course your comparing the maths!
As for the potential, yes DOA2 has more than bonanza, but only a small % of players are ever going to hit a monster, but your gonna hit way more 10x features on DOA2 - FACT.

All i said originally is you cant compare the two it dont matter whats being said. Both games are good for different types of player, I personally consider one is for gambling the other is for entertainment. I will let you decide which is which.

But I will not comment on this anymore as we all going around in circles.

 

[irish-ranger]

Last night give the phone to my wife as this game bores the life out of me.
When I came back in she had 4 wilds with 6 spins 5th wild came in for the wild line and due to being under the influence I screwed up the screen shots.
£725 unfortunately the elation didn't last to long as the casino are being Anal with the KYC

 

[irish-ranger]

View attachment 110536 View attachment 110535 Last night give the phone to my wife as this game bores the life out of me.
When I came back in she had 4 wilds with 6 spins 5th wild came in for the wild line and due to being under the influence I screwed up the screen shots.
£725 unfortunately the elation didn't last to long as the casino are being Anal with the KYC

I quick heads up to Conor@Trada for sorting out the issue I had with the KYC verified and processed thanks

 

[Harry_BKK]

IF you ever travel to Asia and miss DOA or DOA2, you can now play a Chinese version, although it is based on the original DOA.

Instead of five outlaws you have five different brides! How original is that?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Here you go, pick your bride!

 

[goatwack]

No pandas? Dragons?

 

[Harry_BKK]

No pandas? Dragons?

No worries, here's Happy Panda, clone of Divine Fortune for the Asian market.

Netent has started releasing more Asia-exclusive titles lately.

 

[goatwack]

It's weird, because Asian territories aren't really known for their cloning

 

[Harry_BKK]

It's weird, because Asian territories aren't really known for their cloning

LMAO

They will be also releasing in the next few weeks

Twin Happiness - clone of, well, you should know
Sweety Honey Fruity - well, the last word gives it away. Good old Fruit Shop.

 

[interlog]

Not mine and excuse the French..... but what the actual fuck.......

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[goatwack]

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well, there it is... The 100.000x.

 

[Harry_BKK]

That is just sick. You can win the cost of a fairly new car with 9 fricking cents!

 

[pinnit2014]

Finally, we see it match Bonanza in terms of potential.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I thought it was capped at 100,000x stake? That's 100,641x stake.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Wow, what an epic 100Kx hit!
We were all kind of waiting for it, right? Not surprised to see it on 9 cents, as that's probably the most common betsize (i'd like to think) - but still, imagine yourself as the lowroller you are, and suddenly you're looking at 9K, or even better imagine this hitting just when you're doing your 'frisky 10 spins on 18p'

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Wow, what an epic 100Kx hit!
We were all kind of waiting for it, right? Not surprised to see it on 9 cents, as that's probably the most common betsize (i'd like to think) - but still, imagine yourself as the lowroller you are, and suddenly you're looking at 9K, or even better imagine this hitting just when you're doing your 'frisky 10 spins on 18p'

Maybe the player will splash out on a legitimate version of Windows!

 

[interlog]

I thought it was capped at 100,000x stake? That's 100,641x stake.

I am sure the opening splash screen of the game says win over 100,000 bet.

Max is 111,000 bet so I am let to believe.

 

[goatwack]

What odds DOA III will be 243-ways with no features after this debacle

 

[Nik]

RIP BTG potential....