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Discussion in 'OPA General Discussion' started by foofoolemar, Oct 29, 2001.

    Oct 29, 2001
  1. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account


    I just looked at the Cryptologic owned message board winers I mean winners online and there is a right ding dong battle going on.

    How bizzare that Cryptologic allow such shananagins on their portal


    I neary broke a finger nail in the comotion
  2. Oct 29, 2001
  3. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account

    well I just went to sci fi casino to try see who is being a lickle cheeky monkey and having spoken to the nice customer support lady Im not convinced who is mad;

    Please wait for a site operator to respond.
    You are now chatting with 'Fern Scott'
    Fern Scott: Greetings! How may I help you?
    you: hello is this the customer support for sci fi casino?
    Fern Scott: That is correct!
    you: hello fern scott is mark delano there please
    Fern Scott: How can I help you?
    Fern Scott: Good evening Mr Delano!
    Fern Scott: he is not in right now!
    Fern Scott: Is there anything I can do for you?
    you: oh when will he be in/
    you: what time is it there?
    you: u said evening
    Fern Scott: Later this morning I must assume! Would you like to leave a note for him?
    you: so its morning?
    you: or evening there?
    Fern Scott: soon to be 11 am, sorry my bad!
    you: i fear you are mad i better leave you
  4. Oct 31, 2001
  5. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account


    Now that Cryptologic has aquired WinnerOnline,
    its time for you to contact them with a full page letter asking them to fire Max.

    The appropriate title:
    "Max Drayman - Moderator Gone Mad!"
  6. Oct 31, 2001
  7. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    Devil's Advocate
    You guys don't give Max enough credit. He has enough to worry about without the bulletin board. Since neither of you have met him, or made any attempt to get to know him or his reasons for his actions on the board, I really don't think it is fair to be bashing him or calling for his head without at LEAST saying so to his face and telling him why.

    Anything else is just plain childish.
  8. Oct 31, 2001
  9. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account

    dont remember mentioning Max but I do recall him very publically siding with that Williamson bloke and we soon learned that Max sided with the wrong person there.

    Hence him becoming a joke online (Max that is) and them poor people who never got paid and looks like crpytologic approve

    shocking behaviour
  10. Nov 1, 2001
  11. jetset

    jetset RIP Brian CAG

    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Max is one of the good guys imo, and if I recall correctly that fuss over Wind n Sea did not revolve around his support for one side or the other but the manner in which the postings were being made.

    I think Max was trying to bring about a more rational debate with less heated abuse and personal taunting on the issue and I can understand why a moderator would want to achieve that. Regrettably it led to a clash of wills with some folks abandoning what remains a good message board.
  12. Nov 1, 2001
  13. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account

    well Max isnt even his real name he is as bad as Williamson, Im very surprised Cryptologic are having anything to do with it but I see Casino On Net are being given massive praise over there so CryptoLogic must be happy and approve of Casino On Net
  14. Nov 3, 2001
  15. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    I too was defending Max till I was realized that what Hitmob was saying was true.
    1) Max did post a message siding with Williamsonm. I will have to search the WOL archives to prove this, but it does exist, and Max had no right to vouch for Williamson's ability to pay. In the end, Max was wrong, and Williamson never did pay (except for a couple of players)
    2) Max claimed to have known Joseph Edwards AKA Dean Barron (??), and I have the following message as proof:

    posted 02-21-2001 10:56 AM

    The WINNERonline crew knows Joseph personally and can vouch for the long-term
    illness and recent death of his father. I ask that people show the man a little
    compassion and respect at this difficult time.

    Max Drayman

    This email is not visible to you.
    -End Message

    A little compasion? A little respect? Well as everyone knows, Joesph made a promise to pay all Pinnace players. He said even though Pinnace's financial backer weasled out, that he would personally pay all players all $$$ owed.

    (Continued in Next Message...)
  16. Nov 3, 2001
  17. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    pinnace pitboss
    posted 03-05-2001 09:04 AM

    Hi all,

    Sorry I've been away from my computer for the last two weeks because of a death
    in the family (my dad) which many of you are aware of.

    I'm posting this here for ALL to read and form their own opinions regarding Pinnace.

    As many of you may already realize I am the General Manager for Pinnace
    Investments N.V. and simply that (a paid employee or should I say an unpaid
    employee at this point).

    I'm here to tell all of you that are owed money by Pinnace that you will be paid! You
    can take that to the bank. It's my personal promise to you.

    Over the last six months or so the financial backer for Pinnace has not lived up to
    his promises and I've now had to take matters into my own hands so that my
    personal reputation is not tarnished.

    I'm currently in the process of liquidating several of Pinnace's online properties in
    order to make things right with those of you owed money. Some of these deals
    should be completed this week at the latest next week.

    As soon as these properties are sold, everyone will be paid in full so that I can
    continue to bring you the best the Internet has to offer online gamblers.

    Please be patient, you will get paid!

    I've never cheated anyone out of one red cent and don't plan on starting to anytime
    in the future.

    Please understand that I am working for FREE at the moment to make sure that
    you all get your money. It's no joke!

    I hope that you can all understand where I am at this moment in time and realize
    that I do feel morally obligated to get you all paid.


    posted 03-05-2001 09:08 AM

    We rumbled you didnt have two pennies to rub together ages ago now pay up now
    and shame on you for making players wait this long, although most intelligent
    people would have remembered you defaulting on your GSS payments a long time
    ago which GSS posted on here somewhere if I recall and shut you down.

    Disgusting way to treat you players

    pinnace pitboss
    posted 03-05-2001 09:27 AM

    Hitmob (Mike),

    Guess you didn't read the above post.

    Pinnace has no money to pay anyone!

    It is definitely NOT my fault that the MONEY Man for Pinnace has pulled out.

    I am an honest, nice guy that is just trying to do the right thing. Open your eyes!


    posted 03-05-2001 10:20 AM

    interesting, so GSS told the truth about pinnace.

    so if Joseph doesn't own Pinnace then who owns pinnace?

    any word on the new software? I guess if Pinnance is broke then players aren't
    going to get paid and there isn't going to be new software.

    posted 03-05-2001 10:43 AM

    Joseph, Why didn't you post this at your message board?

    [This message has been edited by jason (edited 03-05-2001).]

    posted 03-05-2001 10:45 AM

    (I knew you didnt have money ages ago DING DONG theres something wrong I
    said then was told to shut up, oh well right as usual good ole Hitmob)

    New software my arse or maybe this is a promotional excercise? My man ran off
    but I am honorable then u pay everyone then u launch an new place
    lets see ........

    pinnace pitboss
    posted 03-05-2001 10:50 AM

    Little minds are tamed and subdued by misfortune; but great minds rise above
    them. -Washington Irving

    posted 03-05-2001 11:02 AM

    Have you paid everyone yet??

    chop chop
  18. Nov 3, 2001
  19. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    Devil's Advocate
    I do not think that Max ever vouched for Williamson's ABILITY to pay - rather the fact that some people were getting paid.

    What does this have to do with anything? I also have met Joseph/Dean personally - does that automatically make me something I don't know about?
  20. Nov 3, 2001
  21. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account

    what it boiled down to was that max saw a barrage of fresh faces appearing at his messageboard and $$$$ flashed b4 his eyes I warned him they where happy clappers and he would not see sense, he was blinded by false visions of glandor, which have sadly bit his ass big time.

    ANyway I am neither bothered nor care as usual I am always right as he is left hunched over his pc driddling and frothing at the mouth.

    You going to Ireland Ted? will go out for a meal if u are

    Regards xx

    by the way what the [color=ff0000]••••[/color] has he done to winers online now? stupid red coloured scrolling bars told you he was communist
  22. Nov 3, 2001
  23. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account

    Thanks for the post there Dave R good to see you know whats what and have a better memory than I,

    and Spearmaster can get right on my tits at times too, but he isnt that bad (well he is but he is ok)
  24. Nov 3, 2001
  25. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account

    There you are he was so appalled at the truth he moved any topic that was deemed unsuitable (against his view)to the jokers section:

    Author Topic: Windnsea/Williamson topics on the move...
    Administrator posted 02-12-2001 10:46 AM
    To those following these discussions you'll find that they've been moved to the "JOKER'S WILD" forum. This is in response to (a) the basic fact that the OPA forum is not the right place for this stuff, and (b) several public and private requests to do so.
    See you in "JOKER's".

    Max Drayman
    This email is not visible to you.
  26. Nov 3, 2001
  27. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account

    Member posted 02-09-2001 09:20 AM
    Hey Hitmob,
    Just wanted to say thanks.. I just checked my paypal and I have another payment from Craig this morning.. Guess that meant Craig likes my post about my small undearwear also. Hmmm you can start stuff like that anytime if it means I keep getting paid from Craig . Looks like he will defintily get me paid in full and on time.
  28. Nov 3, 2001
  29. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account

    The point of the above post is to balance the opinion that humor is allowed here and to the two people who moaned about humor namely Mukke (from denmark enuff said and "time" whose Grandchild is in desperate need of new clothes)
  30. Nov 3, 2001
  31. foofoolemar

    foofoolemar Dormant account

    I will be in the casinomesiter chatroom for 20 mins NOW if anyone wants a smoke
  32. Nov 4, 2001
  33. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    Devil's Advocate
    Foo foo,

    I am trying to arrange my trip to Dublin - and London. Will not know until end of week though as I have to get through the conference HERE first...
  34. Nov 4, 2001
  35. jetset

    jetset RIP Brian CAG

    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    DaveR I respect your ability to find stuff and when you have the time to dig it out I would like to see the posting where Max Drayman is alleged to "side" with Williamson. I cannot recall seeing that and anyone taking up the cudgels for an individual like Williamson would definitely cause me to take another look at my perception of them.

    Turning to the comment on Barron/Edwards I think it should be borne in mind that that issue dragged on for quite some time before it became apparent that Edwards was in fact screwing everyone and playing for time. Of course Hitmob knew all the time and is never wrong. Max admitted knowing Edwards and vouchsafed the statement that his father had been critically ill - should he be condemned for doing that?

    There was a great deal of bitterness generated in that now old winneronline dispute, but I don't think Max deserves this roasting.

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