CROWN VEGAS / SUNSET PALACE: insight into, and portrait of, an RTG casino manager

[CrownVegas]

You gotta love IP addresses.... all the nonsense that can be cleared up because of them....

We actually have them logged on our servers from him accessing the email and plan to look into legal action. Since he was terminated as an employee, he had no authorization to be using it.

 

[Casinomeister]

I gotta leave like in two minutes - someone is picking me up.

But before I go, I just want to say I am tending to believe "Rick@cv is a rogue ex-employee. I've been PMing him ove the last few minutes. This is what I have:

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What's the deal?

casinomeister:
I hope you aren't here to turn my forum into a circus. Give me a reason why I shouldn't ban your account.

Sincerely,

Bryan
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Rick@CrownVegas
I'm not sure what I've posted here to indicate that I would do this to your forum?

Cheers
Rick
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casinomeister:
According to Crown Vegas, you are a rogue ex-employee of CV.

I'd like an explanation. Thanks!

Bryan

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Rick@CrownVegas
This is way too much drama for me. You might as well delete my username, I dont currently represent any casinos nor do I intend on continuing in the industry.

Cheers
Rick

And his email is bouncing.

Gotta go...

 

[greedygirl]

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
I understand that you specifically have a thing against RTG operators

Excuse me? At issue here is not whether or not I have "a thing against RTG operators" or not. What IS the issue is that it does not appear that we're getting the facts.

Just to set the record straight, however, there are some wonderful RTG operators out there. INetBet, King Solomon's and BoDog comes to mind. In fact, BoDog has been an advertiser on our site for several months and I look forward to a long and happy relationship with them.

If indeed any of what you are stating concerning "Rick" is true, I would then have to question the management practices within your organization. Security is paramount with any online gambling operation. The notion that an ex-employee's email access was not blocked immediately upon dismissal is a huge gaffe in security. Are you saying this was an oversight? If so, when did you catch it? When these issues suddenly came to light?

There are far too many coincidences and inconsistencies here. In fact, the deeper we get into this, the more puzzling it becomes.

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
like I said, I'm here to clear that misconception and get CrownVegas and SunsetPalace on the map.

Well, if nothing else, you're certainly accomplishing this, though probably not in the manner you had hoped.

 

[Casinomeister]

And please don't post bonus offers in the forum during a PR crisis. I feel that's in rather bad taste. Thanks! You can always do that in the "Strictly Commercial" section.

 

[CrownVegas]

I gotta leave like in two minutes - someone is picking me up.

But before I go, I just want to say I am tending to believe "Rick@cv is a rogue ex-employee. I've been PMing him ove the last few minutes. This is what I have:

______________________________

What's the deal?

casinomeister:
I hope you aren't here to turn my forum into a circus. Give me a reason why I shouldn't ban your account.

Sincerely,

Bryan
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Rick@CrownVegas
I'm not sure what I've posted here to indicate that I would do this to your forum?

Cheers
Rick
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casinomeister:
According to Crown Vegas, you are a rogue ex-employee of CV.

I'd like an explanation. Thanks!

Bryan

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Rick@CrownVegas
This is way too much drama for me. You might as well delete my username, I dont currently represent any casinos nor do I intend on continuing in the industry.

Cheers
Rick

And his email is bouncing.

Gotta go...

I think the idea of legal action against him might consider him to stop instead of digging a deeper whole.

 

[dominique]

I am still a bit confused here.

Most of these posts seem to have happened on the 19th.

Bryan and Greedygirl were contacted on the 19th.

Rick signed up on the 6th as manager.

So when again was Rick fired? And when did the change of ownership take place? And why is a banner designer even posting at all?

 

[universexf6]

I think the idea of legal action against him might consider him to stop instead of digging a deeper whole.

One humble comment from Japanese gentlemen who signed up with CV and SP here.

I am not sure if selling e-mail adress, phone number (!), home adress is
illegal in U.S or European countries, but since he is conducting this morally
unacceptable business in explicit way, I reallly strongly believe you will charge against him legally if it is thinkable.

But Rick The Probably Ex-Employee looks not having enough brain size to think he might be sued for what he has posted.

 

[CrownVegas]

One humble comment from Japanese gentlemen who signed up with CV and SP here.

I am not sure if selling e-mail adress, phone number (!), home adress is
illegal in U.S or European countries, but since he is conducting this morally
unacceptable business in explicit way, I reallly strongly believe you will charge against him legally if it is thinkable.

But Rick The Probably Ex-Employee looks not having enough brain size to think he might be sued for what he has posted.

We have a lawyer on retainer looking into the matter. I'm thinking he will end up with a C&D refraining him from ever doing anything casino related.

 

[jetset]

I don't have the feeling that we're getting the whole story here, somehow.

And Crown Vegas has shown an alarming lack of judgement in trying to divert attention from the central issue here by attacking GG regarding RTG casinos, and trying to get a promo plug into a clearly perilous PR situation.

It boggles the mind to see that sort of thing.

Perhaps Rick Scott bears a little deeper investigation, as it does not appear to me that this guy is a mere designer acting on his own, and prancing around talking about how many casinos and businesses he owns, and how much cash he earns.

Something is definitely not right here, and that means there will be more digging. I think if RTG is following this thread (and I know they do monitor things here from time to time) this may be a good time to advise whoever is behind the scenes at CV to come clean and avoid further damage.

 

[caruso]

Some dumbass, clearly following the Casinomeister discussion, posted an idiot response on the Start Casino board, posing as "Greedy Girl". Whether or not anything can be inferred about the identity of the poster from the fact that the original Greedy Girl has pressed CV quite hard in this thread, I don't know.

 

[jetset]

I suspect it's friend "Rick" again, and it's another telling insight into the cretinous nature of this guy's behaviour - all the more reason for seeing him off.

The guy clearly has the mentality of a three year old.

 

[CrownVegas]

I don't have the feeling that we're getting the whole story here, somehow.

And Crown Vegas has shown an alarming lack of judgement in trying to divert attention from the central issue here by attacking GG regarding RTG casinos, and trying to get a promo plug into a clearly perilous PR situation.

It boggles the mind to see that sort of thing.

Perhaps Rick Scott bears a little deeper investigation, as it does not appear to me that this guy is a mere designer acting on his own, and prancing around talking about how many casinos and businesses he owns, and how much cash he earns.

Something is definitely not right here, and that means there will be more digging. I think if RTG is following this thread (and I know they do monitor things here from time to time) this may be a good time to advise whoever is behind the scenes at CV to come clean and avoid further damage.

Well, my pizza delivery guy tells women he runs a diamond business, I guess some people will believe anything people say or write. Rick can do what he want as an invididual, it's his right and freedom of speech. If he wants to buy legitimately, assets of casinos, then let him, he's just not doing it for us. A lot of people and companies look for proprietary assets for sale. The only thing was rick was not doing it on our behalf. So Jetset please explain to me what's not clear still?

 

[mary]

As a point of logic, the following exchange is also consistent with Rick being a current casino owner who got caught and now is impersonating a disgruntled employee.

FYI

I gotta leave like in two minutes - someone is picking me up.

But before I go, I just want to say I am tending to believe "Rick@cv is a rogue ex-employee. I've been PMing him ove the last few minutes. This is what I have:

______________________________

What's the deal?

casinomeister:
I hope you aren't here to turn my forum into a circus. Give me a reason why I shouldn't ban your account.

Sincerely,

Bryan
_________________________


Rick@CrownVegas
I'm not sure what I've posted here to indicate that I would do this to your forum?

Cheers
Rick
_________________________

casinomeister:
According to Crown Vegas, you are a rogue ex-employee of CV.

I'd like an explanation. Thanks!

Bryan

_________________________

Rick@CrownVegas
This is way too much drama for me. You might as well delete my username, I dont currently represent any casinos nor do I intend on continuing in the industry.

Cheers
Rick

And his email is bouncing.

Gotta go...

 

[unicorn40]

Re: Crown Vegas Casino

A big RED FLAG should pop up anytime this casinos name is mentioned.

The answers provided by Tony/Rick are purely an attempt at 'damage control' after the foolish comments made on the Start Casino forum.

This is the same attitude consistant with RTG operators in the past. Rick/Tony more than likely have been with other RTG casinos previously.

The silly post about GreedyGirl shows what type of low class people they are. And there is no doubt in most peoples minds that Rick posted that.

Damage control is second nature to some RTG casino owners.

Stay Away from Crown Vegas Casino.

 

[CrownVegas]

A big RED FLAG should pop up anytime this casinos name is mentioned.

The answers provided by Tony/Rick are purely an attempt at 'damage control' after the foolish comments made on the Start Casino forum.

This is the same attitude consistant with RTG operators in the past. Rick/Tony more than likely have been with other RTG casinos previously.

The silly post about GreedyGirl shows what type of low class people they are. And there is no doubt in most peoples minds that Rick posted that.

Damage control is second nature to some RTG casino owners.

Stay Away from Crown Vegas Casino.

It's obvious you are another casino owner hiding behind a fake nickname. Rick does not own my casino, and I have not been involved with previous casinos. Your logic makes no sense, I didn't make any posts about greedygirl. I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore, and if anyone has any questions they can contact me directly. I don't feel like playing games with weasel casino operators who insist on fabricating rubbish since that's all I see here.

Tony

 

[mary]

I can push the timeline back a bit:

Re: Major Player Data Base For Sale
Posted by: Rick@CrownVegas (---.kingkom.com)
Date: July 6, 2005 09:00AM


Please send test databases to rick at crownvegas dot com

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Re: Lists
Posted by: Rick@CrownVegas (---.kingkom.com)
Date: July 6, 2005 09:04AM


Agreed. I do not see the problem with looking to aquire targeted player databases. This is the cornerstone of an effective advertising campaign.

Zeus Wrote:
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> Hi
>
> I do not believe using our real business name is
> stupid.
>
> In fact I believe the opposite, far too many
> operators hide behind free emails, and other
> "smoke and mirrors"
>
> Our organization believes in honesty, integrity
> and transparency.
>
> I do appreciate your input and thank you for
> taking the time to voice your opinion.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Z
>
>

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[greedygirl]

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
It's obvious you are another casino owner hiding behind a fake nickname.

How on earth did you come to this conclusion, based upon what unicorn posted?

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
I don't feel like playing games with weasel casino operators who insist on fabricating rubbish since that's all I see here.

Maybe it's just me, but that comment has a ring of "Rick" to it. Or perhaps it's an environmental thing around Crown Vegas and this is how they all behave?

One thing is clear, however. This isn't going to die down until all of the facts come forward...and they will.

 

[CrownVegas]

How on earth did you come to this conclusion, based upon what unicorn posted?



Maybe it's just me, but that comment has a ring of "Rick" to it. Or perhaps it's an environmental thing around Crown Vegas and this is how they all behave?

One thing is clear, however. This isn't going to die down until all of the facts come forward...and they will.

It's very much just you. You have made your intentions very clear that you are being biased and your anti RTG views are very apparant. At this point, it's really evident what you are trying to do, and your little credibility that you ever had is already going down. You are trying to play sherlock holmes, however, there's really nothing to solve. If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me.

 

[unicorn40]

Crown Vegas SUCKS

That last post from Crown Vegas is obvious proof that "Rick" is the person posting, and the one that posted on that other forum as GreedyGirl.

If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising instead of trying to start crap with me.

She is. She is 'exercising' her right to post what SCUM you are, and letting people know the type of people running Crown Vegas.

Rick, you've certainly managed to get some 'great' publicity for your casino with your postings on here. No wonder Michael Staw got a new CEO, he was fed up of dealing with people like you.

 

[Vesuvio]

At this point, it's really evident what you are trying to do, and your little credibility that you ever had is already going down.

Now if you were talking about yourself... Getting caught in shady dealings on another forum, claiming it was a "rogue" employee & now making up similar posts there as a smokescreen. Classy stuff all round

 

[CrownVegas]

That last post from Crown Vegas is obvious proof that "Rick" is the person posting, and the one that posted on that other forum as GreedyGirl.



She is. She is 'exercising' her right to post what SCUM you are, and letting people know the type of people running Crown Vegas.

Rick, you've certainly managed to get some 'great' publicity for your casino with your postings on here. No wonder Michael Staw got a new CEO, he was fed up of dealing with people like you.

excuse me for defending myself, exactly how am I scum, and who are you? Let's see, greedygirl makes a false accusation, misconstrues facts, and I am the bad guy? I am not hiding anywhere, you can email, icq, or even call me. It seems the only bad guys here are the other casino owners trying to take down RTG, so unicorn, why don't you tell us who you really are?

 

[Vesuvio]

That last post from Crown Vegas is obvious proof that "Rick" is the person posting, and the one that posted on that other forum as GreedyGirl.

I'd go with textual analysis Check out the misuse of commas to divide separate sentences - for example:

"Rick": Nothing here concerns you, run along now.

"Tony": excuse me for defending myself, exactly how am I scum, and who are you?

+ temper + unusual concern with ICQ - all seems to point to an obvious conclusion...

 

[unicorn40]

Crown Vegas SUCKS

Hey 'Rick', are you also involved with Club Player Casino?

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Selling customer database
Posted by: Club Player Casino (---.org)
Date: July 22, 2005 08:46PM


Please contact me discreetly, webmaster@clubplayercasino, we have a database with approximately 14000 players with full data for sale.

We are asking for $30000 to finance a new ad campaign, lowballers do not waste our time

Seems like something you would be well versed in.

so unicorn, why don't you tell us who you really are?

Why? so you can sell my information?

 

[Vesuvio]

Please contact me discreetly, webmaster@clubplayercasino, we have a database with approximately 14000 players with full data for sale.

There's that comma thing again

And again: "We buy customer databases, top dollar paid". That's Dan@AllSlots, obviously, and not our friend Rick/Tony...

 

[dominique]

your little credibility that you ever had is already going down.

Wow. Little credibility?

I think you are making a very big mistake here. Not only does Greedygirl have complete credibility, she also has great influence, and it's based on her reputation.

You have picked the wrong person to antagonize.