CROWN VEGAS / SUNSET PALACE: insight into, and portrait of, an RTG casino manager

[CrownVegas]

Wow. Little credibility?

I think you are making a very big mistake here. Not only does Greedygirl have complete credibility, she also has great influence, and it's based on her reputation.

You have picked the wrong person to antagonize.

How can she have credibility, she's claiming I'm someone else with no facts. I am not Rick and I am willing to talk to her on the phone to prove it. I can give her any information she wants. I'm sorry, I do have a bit of a legal background, so it's my nature to point out faults and unfactual details. Since she wants to presume I'm someone else, why can't I presume the same about her? I think she claimed she was 'fair' but seriously, she's been known to have anti rtg views, then falsely attacks me. I don't want to antagonize anyone, I'm here disputing baseless claims.

 

[mary]

. If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me.

So much for the disgruntled ex employee story.

I take it you'd still be a casino manager if it weren't for those meddling kids?


(note to international audience: that's a reference to Scooby Doo the cartoon.)

 

[casinocruiser]

So much for the disgruntled ex employee story.

I take it you'd still be a casino manager if it weren't for those meddling kids?


(note to international audience: that's a reference to Scooby Doo the cartoon.)

I am trying to be neutral here, but what one thing have to do with the other?? How would his comment relate to him having or not having a disgruntled ex employee. There sure is a lot of drama here for an online community discussion board.

 

[mary]

Hmm, post number three of a new poster in defense of a guy who creates new user names on message boards... note the use of the term "drama", just as was used by the supposedly-no-longer-Crown Vegas-employee-named-Rick.

Rick my man, do you really think you're fooling anybody at this point?

Let's make this really clear for the studio audience, since Rick aka CrownVegas aka Greedy Girl aka Casino Cruiser has trouble with his poses:

*Rick, manager of Crown Vegas, posts at Start Casino advertising for player information (July 6th)

*The real Greedy Girl criticizes him for it; as do others, but he seems to have a thing for Greedy Girl as evidenced by:

*"Greedy Girl" postings on Start Casino

Also, here "Crown Vegas" posts claiming that "Rick" no longer works for Crown Vegas--though he mysteriously continues to have Internet access from the same servers.

*Crown Vegas attacks Greedy Girl in much the same personal vein as Rick did.

*"Rick" and "Crown Vegas" both use commas the same way, "Crown Vegas" and "Casino Cruiser" both use the term "drama" the same way.

Wanting to buy player information was pretty bad. But throwing out the bs "disgruntled employee" story and then digging yourself in deeper with multiple bogus identities--that can't even be portrayed in a consistent or credible manner--that's just insulting everybody's intelligence at this point. Do the world a favor, get a job that doesn't involve keyboards.

Psychological note: the use of the term "drama" is quite interesting, as we do in fact have an individual performing multiple roles in a drama of his own making. In fact, we are seeing some interesting self-criticism here; a more self-aware and properly functioning personality would in fact have avoided creating all this drama recognizing it as a self-defeating act for his purposes. Clearly, the portrayal of self as a successful businessman is far too artificial a pose to be sustained under even the very limited requirements of text online.

 

[mary]

Anyway, back on topic.

So, Tony aka Crown Vegas, what is your policy on buying player lists for promotional purposes?

Are you interested in buying lists with phone numbers?

Players hate getting phone calls from gambling companies. Tends to tip off the spouse, for one thing.

You might want to keep in mind that many players use unique email addresses for each casino enrollment so as to keep track of who is selling and who is buying their information and players do share that information.

Players also notice if they receive spam from a casino that they've never enrolled in.

I know I'll notice if I get any email from Crown Vegas.

 

[CrownVegas]

Hmm, post number three of a new poster in defense of a guy who creates new user names on message boards... note the use of the term "drama", just as was used by the supposedly-no-longer-Crown Vegas-employee-named-Rick.

Rick my man, do you really think you're fooling anybody at this point?

Let's make this really clear for the studio audience, since Rick aka CrownVegas aka Greedy Girl aka Casino Cruiser has trouble with his poses:

*Rick, manager of Crown Vegas, posts at Start Casino advertising for player information (July 6th)

*The real Greedy Girl criticizes him for it; as do others, but he seems to have a thing for Greedy Girl as evidenced by:

*"Greedy Girl" postings on Start Casino

Also, here "Crown Vegas" posts claiming that "Rick" no longer works for Crown Vegas--though he mysteriously continues to have Internet access from the same servers.

*Crown Vegas attacks Greedy Girl in much the same personal vein as Rick did.

*"Rick" and "Crown Vegas" both use commas the same way, "Crown Vegas" and "Casino Cruiser" both use the term "drama" the same way.

Wanting to buy player information was pretty bad. But throwing out the bs "disgruntled employee" story and then digging yourself in deeper with multiple bogus identities--that can't even be portrayed in a consistent or credible manner--that's just insulting everybody's intelligence at this point. Do the world a favor, get a job that doesn't involve keyboards.

Mary, while I appreciate you wanting to be involved in the situation, numerous points you make are extremely false. I'll address some of them before I make one final post in regards to this matter. My name is Tony, I have spoken to some of you on icq, and can PM you my phone number if you'd like to talk.

You are wrong again, Rick was never in any management position with our casino. At this point, I can't claim posts are his when I have no proof, it could be another casino owner trying to cause problems. I am referring to recent posts on this forum and on others. Rick as well does not have internet access from our servers. Rick was let go prior to July 6th, I've mentioned he was released from his graphic design position several weeks ago, and if you were able to read you would have noticed that.

Your last paragraph clearly shows your intentions to tarnish my image. You are jumping all over the place with accusations then telling me I am throwing out the disgruntled employee story? No, that is the story, and trust me, you have nothing to be insulted about. Telling me to get a job that doesn't involve keyboards? I'm not going to start a name calling war with you Mary, the fact you are posting here late on a Saturday night says enough already.

 

[CrownVegas]

Anyway, back on topic.

So, Tony aka Crown Vegas, what is your policy on buying player lists for promotional purposes?

Are you interested in buying lists with phone numbers?

Players hate getting phone calls from gambling companies. Tends to tip off the spouse, for one thing.

You might want to keep in mind that many players use unique email addresses for each casino enrollment so as to keep track of who is selling and who is buying their information and players do share that information.

Players also notice if they receive spam from a casino that they've never enrolled in.

I know I'll notice if I get any email from Crown Vegas.

Well Mary aka Mary, I only do things legally and have lawyers involved if I was acquiring any kind of business. If you are talking about buying anything stolen/hacked, we would never do anything of that sort. That would cause major problems and is against RTG policy.

If I was looking at venturing into acquiring another casino, then we would probably brand it seperately as the original casino has a familiarity with the players. I am not interested in telemarketing to your gambling leads, if you wanted to sell me any I am passing on it.

 

[CrownVegas]

To greedygirl, mary, unicorn or anyone else

This is my last post concerning this topic. If anyone insists on continuing to publicly ruin the reputation of my casino with baseless claims, well they better be prepared for a legal battle. The fact is, I am open to speaking to whoever, yet you continue to slander me. I've spoken to several others on ICQ and from what I can see, I think we all felt it was in our best interest to resolve this outside of the forum. I have no problem talking to anyone, I believe in talking before considering any other kind of action. So PM me, I'll even provide a toll free number.

Tony

 

[unicorn40]

Crown Vegas SUCKS

Thank You Rick,Tony,Casinocruiser, or whatever one of your 'multiple personalities' you wish to be referred to as, for showing all the casinomeister forum members what a 'Class Act' you and Crown Vegas really are.

I'm sure after seeing the warmth and charm you displayed on your visits here, you will need to add more staff to handle the new sign ups you'll be getting from all the members here.

Just what RTG needs... another 'Black Eye' to their reputation.

 

[jinnia]

++++++++++++++++++++++
please remove the content of my post, this was due to mis-information on my part.

I apologize to Mr. Goodman for the posting.

 

[CrownVegas]

++++++++++++++++++++++
please remove the content of my post, this was due to mis-information on my part.

I apologize to Mr. Goodman for the posting.
...

Was that your first time doing a reverse ip lookup? First, I've never heard of Brian Goodman, and second, you didn't do it correctly, so yes you can apologize. That ip hosts just the software, seperate from the actual server for our casinos. That ip hosts no websites. You can check out

Link Removed (Old/Invalid)

So, to clarify again, Brian Goodman, never heard of him, doesn't work with us, and those 2 websites have nothing to with CV and if you want to learn how to do reverse ip lookups, i suggest joining whois.sc, they offer a full range of other services as well.

 

[mary]

Tony/CV,

you didn't answer my question.

*Does Crown Vegas support buying casino customer lists?

*What do you mean by "legal"? Lists from non-RTG casinos? Lists gathered by means undefined? Opt-in only lists? Lists from outside of the industry?

No, I'm not selling any lists for telemarketing or any other purposes, I find it funny that you thought I was.

Let me add a question: does Crown Vegas intend to spam (send unsolicited marketing email to names from lists.)

Does Crown Vegas sell/rent/lease/lend their list?

Edit: never mind, my question is answered.
A google search of the ip from which CV's software downloads turns up its listing on an anti-spam site.

Currently my 'spammer stats' spreadsheet lists the following company names and website addresses as
those that have appeared in the casino and gambling spams received in my in-box.

12.129.69.226 1
MediaSoft, LLC 1
msstd.com 1
Palace of Chance 3
panoramicnet.com 3

REMEMBER - I have never 'applied', 'e-mailed', 'posted', 'requested', 'expressed an interest', 'submitted',
'visited', 'signed up with an affiliate' or 'telephoned' for ANY of these spamvertised products!

 

[jinnia]

Was that your first time doing a reverse ip lookup? First, I've never heard of Brian Goodman, and second, you didn't do it correctly, so yes you can apologize. That ip hosts just the software, seperate from the actual server for our casinos. That ip hosts no websites. You can check out

Link Removed (Old/Invalid)

So, to clarify again, Brian Goodman, never heard of him, doesn't work with us, and those 2 websites have nothing to with CV and if you want to learn how to do reverse ip lookups, i suggest joining whois.sc, they offer a full range of other services as well.

Ah man, a smarta$$ in the group, and it sounds like a challenge to me, and I NEVER turn down a challenge.

I'll do some in-depth searching, then I'll be back with an apology, or some information to post!

Until then, answer the ladys post above mine here, can you do that??

 

[universexf6]

This is my last post concerning this topic. If anyone insists on continuing to publicly ruin the reputation of my casino with baseless claims, well they better be prepared for a legal battle. The fact is, I am open to speaking to whoever, yet you continue to slander me. I've spoken to several others on ICQ and from what I can see, I think we all felt it was in our best interest to resolve this outside of the forum. I have no problem talking to anyone, I believe in talking before considering any other kind of action. So PM me, I'll even provide a toll free number.

Tony

　Crown Vegas. I think why what you are saying sounds always little
credible is because to us we don't feel you are going to take action
against this Rick ex-employee or whoever. We need the result and
that will save you from further "slander", I believe.

And why should we "resolve this problem outside this forum"? We don't
know actually what is going on yet. Which means, if we talk to you
individually, we are going to lose because you can say anything.

 

[caruso]

The now handful of bogus "player database" threads at Start Casino are very revealing. Whether the poster is Rick, in his role of current manager at Crown Vegas, in an attempt to deflect attention from the issue, or Rick, in his role of former CV employee, in an attempt at revenge on his ex-employer Tony, remains to be seen.

 

[mgibson99]

I've been following this thread with interest, and just thought I would weigh in with my 2 cents.......everyone has been asking Tony to "come clean" and "give us the "real story". I have no idea what the real story is, but lets just suppose for 1 minute that this Rick guy really is a rogue ex-employee who is trying to discredit his former employer (Bryan seems to think he is). What could Tony say, other than what he has already said? How could he prove what he is saying is true?

I may be naive and uninformed, but for some reason Tony seems to be trying to address this whole issue as best he can. No matter what he says, he is attacked. Yes, his last several posts have been a little testy, but basically, everyone just keeps calling him a liar and a cheat, and I think he is probably frustrated more than anything else.

Lest I be flamed myself, I AM NOT A SHILL for Crown Vegas. I have never played there, and don't know anything about it, other than what I have read in this thread. I have never posted to support or promote any particular casino, other than a thread I did about Omni when I was on a $10,000 winning streak in BJ (by the way I have since stopped playing at Omni, because my winning streak was followed by an unusually protracted losing streak where I couldn't win a thing).

 

[greedygirl]

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
Let's see, greedygirl makes a false accusation, misconstrues facts, and I am the bad guy?

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
How can she have credibility, she's claiming I'm someone else with no facts.

Please point out where I "claimed" that you are indeed someone else? Admittedly, I feel there are many coincidences involved in this situation, however, I've NEVER claimed that you are anyone other than who you say you are.

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
You have made your intentions very clear that you are being biased and your anti RTG views are very apparant.

You keep hammering away at this point, and you are incredibly misguided. True enough, there was a time when I took a dim view on RTG, however, when RTG management finally took an active roll in player issues and the advent of Montana disputes, my views changed. This is why I stated earlier, the following:

Just to set the record straight, however, there are some wonderful RTG operators out there. INetBet, King Solomon's and BoDog comes to mind. In fact, BoDog has been an advertiser on our site for several months and I look forward to a long and happy relationship with them.

Do I feel all RTG-driven casinos are reputable? Hell no. At the same time, I don't feel all Playtech's or Microgaming or any other software-driven casinos are reputable. But to say I am anti-RTG is a complete fallacy.

Originally Posted by CrownVegas
If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me.

First off, if I was model-thin, would it change the issues at hand?

I've been contemplating for several hours, whether or not to address this comment and the vile posts over at Start Casino.

What was written at Start Casino was bad enough, and I'm guessing could possibly be criminal. While the person posting used the username of Greedygirl (which is well-known through this industry), it wouldn't be much of an issue. However, when the poster used the GoneGambling signature and then brought in BoDog, I believe this crossed legal bounds.

Tony--I do not know if you wrote the post at Start Casino, nor am I accusing you of doing so. What I DO know, however, is that you went ahead and tossed in the "weight card" as your way to attack me. Obviously you have no idea about my situation.

My weight is the direct result of a serious accident I had. I've endured 12 surgeries, one of which resulted in my being bed-ridden for well over a year, followed by two years of a basically sedentary existence. Further health-related complications, coupled with age have made it incredibly difficult to lose weight, but I continue to try. It's been an extraordinarily rough road for me and not a moment goes by when I don't long for the body I had, previous to my accident. Following everything I've been through, I'm both blessed and happy to be alive and able to enjoy everything life has to offer. I take nothing for granted.

Until the posts at Start Casino and your crass comment, here, I've been fortunate that the people within this industry have judged me according to my actions and my accomplishments. I feel it is fair to say that I am well-respected and generally well-liked. Lucky for me that so many can see past something so absolutely superficial as my body size. It's a pity that there are those like you who haven't moved beyond such superficiality.

 

[CrownVegas]

Please point out where I "claimed" that you are indeed someone else? Admittedly, I feel there are many coincidences involved in this situation, however, I've NEVER claimed that you are anyone other than who you say you are.



You keep hammering away at this point, and you are incredibly misguided. True enough, there was a time when I took a dim view on RTG, however, when RTG management finally took an active roll in player issues and the advent of Montana disputes, my views changed. This is why I stated earlier, the following:

Just to set the record straight, however, there are some wonderful RTG operators out there. INetBet, King Solomon's and BoDog comes to mind. In fact, BoDog has been an advertiser on our site for several months and I look forward to a long and happy relationship with them.

Do I feel all RTG-driven casinos are reputable? Hell no. At the same time, I don't feel all Playtech's or Microgaming or any other software-driven casinos are reputable. But to say I am anti-RTG is a complete fallacy.



First off, if I was model-thin, would it change the issues at hand?

I've been contemplating for several hours, whether or not to address this comment and the vile posts over at Start Casino.

What was written at Start Casino was bad enough, and I'm guessing could possibly be criminal. While the person posting used the username of Greedygirl (which is well-known through this industry), it wouldn't be much of an issue. However, when the poster used the GoneGambling signature and then brought in BoDog, I believe this crossed legal bounds.

Tony--I do not know if you wrote the post at Start Casino, nor am I accusing you of doing so. What I DO know, however, is that you went ahead and tossed in the "weight card" as your way to attack me. Obviously you have no idea about my situation.

My weight is the direct result of a serious accident I had. I've endured 12 surgeries, one of which resulted in my being bed-ridden for well over a year, followed by two years of a basically sedentary existence. Further health-related complications, coupled with age have made it incredibly difficult to lose weight, but I continue to try. It's been an extraordinarily rough road for me and not a moment goes by when I don't long for the body I had, previous to my accident. Following everything I've been through, I'm both blessed and happy to be alive and able to enjoy everything life has to offer. I take nothing for granted.

Until the posts at Start Casino and your crass comment, here, I've been fortunate that the people within this industry have judged me according to my actions and my accomplishments. I feel it is fair to say that I am well-respected and generally well-liked. Lucky for me that so many can see past something so absolutely superficial as my body size. It's a pity that there are those like you who haven't moved beyond such superficiality.

I had no idea about your weight. It was just an expression relating to the summer and in reference to enjoying the weather/outdoors rather than staying indoors and trying to make false accusations to me. I apologize if I offended you, my intentions were not that. It was really directed in a way that you should be doing other things instead of trying to seriously damage our name. I don't post on startcasino, I was only referred to this forum from an affiliate who had concerns on the damage some people were causing to our company. Like I said repeatedly, I am more than willing to talk to anyone regarding this matter, unfortunately, other people hiding behind fake names continue to press the matter.

 

[CrownVegas]

Tony/CV,

you didn't answer my question.

*Does Crown Vegas support buying casino customer lists?

*What do you mean by "legal"? Lists from non-RTG casinos? Lists gathered by means undefined? Opt-in only lists? Lists from outside of the industry?

No, I'm not selling any lists for telemarketing or any other purposes, I find it funny that you thought I was.

Let me add a question: does Crown Vegas intend to spam (send unsolicited marketing email to names from lists.)

Does Crown Vegas sell/rent/lease/lend their list?

Edit: never mind, my question is answered.
A google search of the ip from which CV's software downloads turns up its listing on an anti-spam site.

Currently my 'spammer stats' spreadsheet lists the following company names and website addresses as
those that have appeared in the casino and gambling spams received in my in-box.

12.129.69.226 1
MediaSoft, LLC 1
msstd.com 1
Palace of Chance 3
panoramicnet.com 3

REMEMBER - I have never 'applied', 'e-mailed', 'posted', 'requested', 'expressed an interest', 'submitted',
'visited', 'signed up with an affiliate' or 'telephoned' for ANY of these spamvertised products!

We don't believe in spam, we have an anti spam policy for affiliates as well. When someone signs up for our software, they have an option of being removed if they don't want to be emailed by us. No, we would not buy lists for the sake of sending unsolicited email to them. We also do not mail off that IP that you listed. Go check on GP's spam record, the casino industry relies heavily on reminding current/past depositors to visit again, some people get frustrated and report it as spam instead of removing themselves. I get 1-2 888.com, and 1 goldenpalace email a week.

 

[CrownVegas]

I've been following this thread with interest, and just thought I would weigh in with my 2 cents.......everyone has been asking Tony to "come clean" and "give us the "real story". I have no idea what the real story is, but lets just suppose for 1 minute that this Rick guy really is a rogue ex-employee who is trying to discredit his former employer (Bryan seems to think he is). What could Tony say, other than what he has already said? How could he prove what he is saying is true?

I may be naive and uninformed, but for some reason Tony seems to be trying to address this whole issue as best he can. No matter what he says, he is attacked. Yes, his last several posts have been a little testy, but basically, everyone just keeps calling him a liar and a cheat, and I think he is probably frustrated more than anything else.

Lest I be flamed myself, I AM NOT A SHILL for Crown Vegas. I have never played there, and don't know anything about it, other than what I have read in this thread. I have never posted to support or promote any particular casino, other than a thread I did about Omni when I was on a $10,000 winning streak in BJ (by the way I have since stopped playing at Omni, because my winning streak was followed by an unusually protracted losing streak where I couldn't win a thing).

It's amusing at this point, I've offered to speak to anyone, and not greedygirl,mary,unicorn,caruso have sent me 1 pm to ask for my number. I could fax a copy of a drivers license, or come up with another mutual way to prove I am real. Their intentions by continuing to damage and insinuate I'm someone else further damage all their credibility, especially when I REPEATEDLY tell them to contact me.

 

[universexf6]

　SO WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING AND WHAT DID YOU DO EXACTLY???

I'm really tired of Crown Vegas speaking all this blahblah whatever and what
we want to hear is WHAT YOU DO against this Rick Someone's criminal act.

 

[RobWin]

It's amusing at this point, I've offered to speak to anyone, and not greedygirl,mary,unicorn,caruso have sent me 1 pm to ask for my number. I could fax a copy of a drivers license, or come up with another mutual way to prove I am real. Their intentions by continuing to damage and insinuate I'm someone else further damage all their credibility, especially when I REPEATEDLY tell them to contact me.

Good Idea ! send a copy of your License over to the Meister so he can check you out. That should settle this once and for all.

 

[jetset]

I am starting to get the impression that "Tony" may not be as experienced in the online casino world as one might expect, because he does not seem to be aware of who several of the respected and well established posters here are, despite their perfectly acceptable use of forum handles.

If he were, he would not be laying about himself with accusations that these are casino owners who are in competition with him and therefore trying to damage his business. Or purveyors of illegal databases (that was especially amusing as it was levelled at Mary of all people!!)

He would know that these are very credible individuals in the industry and on several fora who have genuinely tried to protect players from bad practice by casino owners (like spam) for many years.

And the clumsy diversionary and personal attacks are not the way to go with this situation either, imo.

Having said that, I doubt that we will go any further forward with this enquiry until a few more facts have been established...and there are some very experienced, well connected and concerned investigators here who will no doubt do just that.

In the meantime the faux posts at Start Casino really are not smart, either.

 

[CrownVegas]

　SO WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING AND WHAT DID YOU DO EXACTLY???

I'm really tired of Crown Vegas speaking all this blahblah whatever and what
we want to hear is WHAT YOU DO against this Rick Someone's criminal act.

I spoke briefly to my legal team and explained it to them quickly. They will be looking further into it in the coming week. From what I understand, they said in terms of him intending to purchase databases for himself, there's not much we can do. The real problem is him impersonating CV, and that's what they intend to examine. It may require a C&D letter, but at this point, I really can't say.

 

[universexf6]

I spoke briefly to my legal team and explained it to them quickly. They will be looking further into it in the coming week. From what I understand, they said in terms of him intending to purchase databases for himself, there's not much we can do. The real problem is him impersonating CV, and that's what they intend to examine. It may require a C&D letter, but at this point, I really can't say.

Okay. Thanks. First, I should have been softer about my words.
And personally I think giving updates regarding your department's
activity will reduce the further deterioration of the relationship with the
participants or players here and your reputation.

Thank you anyway for your quick reply. I somehow believed it.

 

[The Dude]

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

...when we practice to deceive.

It's Sunday, and most of the members and everyone else are aware that this place is my job, and I don't work Sundays. Not unless something drags me away from whatever the hell I'm doing - something important enough that I feel compelled to respond.

There are some things that are really bothering me. No way in hell, would any knowledgeable "owner" of Crownvegas - or any other casino for that matter, would come out and say "If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me." to "greedygirl" - especially in a public forum. You're the "owner" of this casino? No you ain't. Because if you were, you would know how badly you effed up there. We'll talk about this on the phone tomorrow. I don't buy your pathetic excuse you gave tap dancing out of that one.

Like Jetset said, you seem to be very inexperienced - I'll take it a notch further - you seemed to have lost your mind. How could any RTG owner/operator/manager whatever not know who Brian Goodman is? Hes been in this business for years.

And just a side note - Brian Goodman moved from RTG to Playtech and was more or less screwed over by some underhandedness that affected his operations. I disagree that he is a "crook", like Jinnia implied - (PM me Jinnia and I'll explain).

You have also implied that Unicorn40 is an owner of another casino WTF? Take five minutes out and check her posts in her profiles, or do a search at some of the popular message boards and you'll see she's just an ordinary player - well, sometimes not so ordinary But catch my drift, don't make accusations against people who have a history here they will make you look like an ass.

And again referring to Jetsets posts, you've set some things in motion to find out WTF is going on. This is no EZY board (sorry ezy boarders) where managers post some PR fluff trying to get out of a sticky situations; this board is visited by people who have deep contacts in this business. If there is anything that will surface - it will.

By the way, our casinocruser and dan@allslots at Startcasino have the same IPs. Busted.

Anyway, we'll talk about this more tomorrow. But just a heads up that I don't like what I see at all.

 

[jinnia]

And just a side note - Brian Goodman moved from RTG to Playtech and was more or less screwed over by some underhandedness that affected his operations. I disagree that he is a "crook", like Jinnia implied - (PM me Jinnia and I'll explain).

Done!

You have also implied that Unicorn40 is an owner of another casino - you'll see she's just an ordinary player - well, not sometimes not so ordinary.

I must agree 100% on that



This CV person has tee'd me off to the point, that I WILL be spending a large amount of time looking into everything on him/the casino now, just as with the other ---------.

 

[mary]

Jinnia,

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[krystall]

Jinnia,

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[CrownVegas]

...when we practice to deceive.

It's Sunday, and most of the members and everyone else are aware that this place is my job, and I don't work Sundays. Not unless something drags me away from whatever the hell I'm doing - something important enough that I feel compelled to respond.

Ther are some things that are really bothering me. No way in hell, would any knowledgeable "owner" of Crownvegas - or any other casino for that matter, would come out and say "If you have so much free time, maybe you can do some exercising or something beneficial to this world instead of trying to start crap with me." to "greedygirl" - especially in a public forum. You're the "owner" of this casino? No you ain't. Because if you were, you would know how badly you effed up there. We'll talk about this on the phone tomorrow. I don't buy your pathetic excuse you gave tap dancing out of that one.

Like Jetset said, you seem to be very inexperienced - I'll take it a notch further - you seemed to have lost your mind. How could any RTG owner/operator/manager whatever not know who Brian Goodman is? Hes been in this business for years.

And just a side note - Brian Goodman moved from RTG to Playtech and was more or less screwed over by some underhandedness that affected his operations. I disagree that he is a "crook", like Jinnia implied - (PM me Jinnia and I'll explain).

You have also implied that Unicorn40 is an owner of another casino WTF? Take five minutes out and check her posts in her profiles, or do a search at some of the popular message boards and you'll see she's just an ordinary player - well, sometimes not so ordinary But catch my drift, don't make accusations against people who have a history here they will make you look like an ass.

And again referring to Jetsets posts, you've set some things in motion to find out WTF is going on. This is no EZY board (sorry ezy boarders) where managers post some PR fluff trying to get out of a sticky situations; this board is visited by people who have deep contacts in this business. If there is anything that will surface - it will.

By the way, our casinocruser and dan@allslots at Startcasino have the same IPs. Busted.

Anyway, we'll talk about this more tomorrow. But just a heads up that I don't like what I see at all.

While you attempt to address many points, you took my comments out of context and I even clarified them. I was merely stating that instead of attacking me WITHOUT proof, she should spend her time doing other things.
Yet I don't see once where you address the issue of them accusing me of being someone else, or actually composing some of the stuff on other forums or whatever. What are your thoughts on that? And again, your comments on Unicorn, yes SHE/HE was falsely accusing me of being someone I'm not, the only reason someone would do that if they have alterative motives. Yet, once again, no comments on that. Ah yes Mr Brian Goodman, another accusation from one of the posters, accusing me of being in his group based on some reverse ip lookup and connecting his sites to mine.

What's funny, is the only thing that concerns me was having people associate Rick or whoever else is making posts here and other forums with still being part of CV. Many issues have sidetracked this. I do know that whoever has contacted me has gotten the full story, and I don't even know if it's worth repeating for the 100th time, since some of the posters here have selective reading habits, but feel free to PM me for the toll free number or icq or whatever. I'll try posting it in in foreign languages soon.

Tony

 

[mary]

I don't bother pm'ing or calliing on the phone because there's no point in it. Since I've never heard "Rick's" voice what good would hearing Tony's voice do? Since i've never seen "Rick's" id, what good would it do to see Tony's?

The best course of action for Tony would have been to stop posting. He has no means of proving that he is not Rick, and has made plenty of posts that prove that his is Rick. Matching ip addresses, matching attacks in content, identical phraseology, accusing others of doing what he is doing, identical level of ignorance with respect to the identities of webmasters and regualr posters; look at this earlier thread of "Ricks" and you'll see what I mean. Even the posting format is the same: a big quote block followed by a single paragraph.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/info-on-sunset-palace.8843/

 

[CrownVegas]

I don't bother pm'ing or calliing on the phone because there's no point in it. Since I've never heard "Rick's" voice what good would hearing Tony's voice do? Since i've never seen "Rick's" id, what good would it do to see Tony's?

The best course of action for Tony would have been to stop posting. He has no means of proving that he is not Rick, and has made plenty of posts that prove that his is Rick. Matching ip addresses, matching attacks in content, identical phraseology, accusing others of doing what he is doing, identical level of ignorance with respect to the identities of webmasters and regualr posters; look at this earlier thread of "Ricks" and you'll see what I mean. Even the posting format is the same: a big quote block followed by a single paragraph.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/info-on-sunset-palace.8843/

Mary, it's a good idea to get your facts straight before you present an arguement. One, there's no way Rick and I use the same ip. Second, you must be a regular Sherlock Holmes, we both speak english, I guess I type the same way as 1 billion other english speaking people, YOU GOT ME!!! You don't have my personality pegged, don't even try it. I already spoke to several posters from this thread, so you can continue on with your childish antics, I think people will figure you out.

 

[unicorn40]

Mary, it's a good idea to get your facts straight before you present an arguement.... You don't have my personality pegged, don't even try it. I already spoke to several posters from this thread, so you can continue on with your childish antics, I think people will figure you out.

Mr.Tony come lately,

Mary has been an online gaming presence for a LONG time, at least 5 years. She has a vast amount of knowledge about this industry. Getting 'facts straight' is one of her strong points. Mary is well respected by many people in the industry, and the owner of this board is one of them.

Speaking of getting facts straight, I do NOT have any involvement with ANY casino, and never have. That is what YOU accused me of earlier on this thread. So my advice to YOU, Tony, Rick, or whatever, is for YOU to get YOUR facts straight before you post.

 

[CrownVegas]

Mr.Tony come lately,

Mary has been an online gaming presence for a LONG time, at least 5 years. She has a vast amount of knowledge about this industry. Getting 'facts straight' is one of her strong points. Mary is well respected by many people in the industry, and the owner of this board is one of them.

Speaking of getting facts straight, I do NOT have any involvement with ANY casino, and never have. That is what YOU accused me of earlier on this thread. So my advice to YOU, Tony, Rick, or whatever, is for YOU to get YOUR facts straight before you post.

I know it probably takes me repeating myself 10+ times to you, but I am not rick. If you claim I'm someone else, why can't I claim you're someone else? Oh so you're denying you have no involvement in any casino? So we should all just take your 'word' for it? Mary may be well respected, but that still doesn't make what she says right. Especially when I point out the faults in her arguements. Seriously, why do you continue to go on with this? Try answering anyone of my questions as well, I'd be seriously surprised if you could.

 

[unicorn40]

I know it probably takes me repeating myself 10+ times to you... Oh so you're denying you have no involvement in any casino? So we should all just take your 'word' for it?... Seriously, why do you continue to go on with this? Try answering anyone of my questions as well, I'd be seriously surprised if you could.

You continually respond to everyone who questions you with abrasive and belittling replies. Since you claim to be a 'casino owner', I would think you would show more professionalism than that on a public forum. And I obviously would be wrong.

I can just imagine how you would respond to a player that had a 'problem' with Crown Vegas, based on your responses here.

Fortunately for me, I will NEVER be in that situation with Crown Vegas.

 

[mary]

According to the timeline you've presented, these posts were by your disgruntled employee. They sure don't look like disgruntled employee posts. If Rick is busy using his Crown Vegas internet connection to drum up future business for himself, why is he bothering touting the change of ownership and criticizing Webber's site?

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Been around for awhile - RTG software - was a sister casino to Crown Vegas at one time but present ownership not confirmed.



Sunset Palace is a sister casino to Crown Vegas. Both are under new management, expect to see some exciting player offers and new games shortly.

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Haven't played at that one myself, but doesn't seem the most credible of casinos. We rank it a 58, which is quite low.



This 'ranking' is meaningless as I have never even heard of your site until now. Much of the information including bonuses offered at many sites are outdated.

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[CrownVegas]

You continually respond to everyone who questions you with abrasive and belittling replies. Since you claim to be a 'casino owner', I would think you would show more professionalism than that on a public forum. And I obviously would be wrong.

I can just imagine how you would respond to a player that had a 'problem' with Crown Vegas, based on your responses here.

Fortunately for me, I will NEVER be in that situation with Crown Vegas.

of course you didn't answer my questions..nice attempt.

 

[CrownVegas]

According to the timeline you've presented, these posts were by your disgruntled employee. They sure don't look like disgruntled employee posts. If Rick is busy using his Crown Vegas internet connection to drum up future business for himself, why is he bothering touting the change of ownership and criticizing Webber's site?

First, Rick was not using our Crown Vegas internet connection. Second, I don't speak to him, I don't know his motives. I do know he thought he would still be working with us under new ownership, probably bad hindsight on his part. If he decides to post positive things about us, or negative, it's very hard to control, at first he may have been thinking he might still have a chance of job security, then realizing not he started this mess. Here, how about this, tomorrow I will pm you my number, we'll schedule a time to talk and you can ask any questions you want instead of providing comedic material to all the readers on the forums.

 

[mary]

Here, how about this, tomorrow I will pm you my number, we'll schedule a time to talk and you can ask any questions you want instead of providing comedic material to all the readers on the forums.

Please don't bother. Anything useful you can say to me, you can share with everybody. You didn't have any trouble insulting people publically in many ways--you can clean it up publically.

You can also drop all the legal posturing. Nobody ever sues anybody over message board posts, it's neither cost effective nor enforceable for all practical purposes.

So, you've changed the story about Rick. In your first version, Rick was disgruntled and posting to gather player information for his own marketing purposes--which would only make sense if he was planning on *not* being at Crown Vegas after the change in ownership or had already been let go (implied in the term "disgruntled")

During this time he also freely insults other posters which you have explained as an effort to tarnish Crown Vegas's image.

Now you hypothesize that he was planning on staying and was posting both positive marketing statements and soliciting player information on behalf of Crown Vegas, even though he had no authorization from Crown Vegas to do so. Where does the act of insulting people fit into this picture?

It's got to be one or the other, both doesn't make sense. Unless, of course, you are he trying to back away from "his" public relations gaffes. Meanwhile, you seem to be doing a good job of replicating such gaffes with thouroughly unfounded accusations of your own. You could have spared yourself considerable embarrassment if you had taken the time to read prior posts made by myself, Unicorn, Greedy Girl, Jinnia, Caruso et al.

 

[jamiester]

just finished reading thru this whole thread...

and I have to hand it to Tony; he's hanging in there pretty well. I don't play at CV (can't) and I usually get very frustrated at casinorep's noninvolved nonreplies to threads in these fora, but I am having trouble not siding with Tony. Now, I am nobody and know nothing of what is going on behind the scenes, but strictly from an argumentative point of view, Tony is looking a lot stronger. The mob seems to have jumped to a conclusion that it is unwilling to realistically assess (is Tony really Rick?). The tenacity to which people hold this view, coupled with their unwillingness to contact Tony, only lend credence to his claims that there are ulterior motives at play here. Tony seems to be sticking to his story pretty well, as far as I can see.
IF Tony and Rick are indeed different people, then Tony has been MORE than patient in continuing to respond to such vitriol, and the slight acerbicity of his responses well justified. I know if I were he and that were the case, I would be much less gracious (but then again, I am just a junkie, not a casino operator, so perhaps more should be expected).
Of course, it may be the case that they are one and the same person, in which case Mary's psychological analysis was as hiliarious as it was spot on. Nonetheless, until further data is in: I vote for Tony. Given the situation, his side is more convincing so far, to me.

 

[jetset]

I sense we're seeing a classic attempt at obfuscation in these illogical CV responses.

Taking it right down to the fundamentals, why would a fired or "let go" employee so actively promote the interests of the company that had kicked him out? It doesn't make sense, and the timeframes only underline that.

This CV/SP argument, like the suggestion that a phone call or ICQ will give it credibility just doesn't hold water.

But I'd bet some interesting information will shortly be forthcoming.

 

[caruso]

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/info-on-sunset-palace.8843/?t=8843

These postings on 19th July, two days before I posted this thread, are either the postings of the casino manager, or someone posing magnificently as him. If Rick were simply posing as such, what was the benefit? There had been no comment about these data base purchase shinnanigans at that point, and absolutely no reason I can see for him to behave in a non-genuine manner.

I can see no other explanation than Rick is the manager of the casino. To say "I don't know why he did this" isn't sufficient in the face of the evidence: these posts were made on July 19th; I posted in the Start Casino thread on July 21st; on July 19th there was no possible reason for any posing of any kind. On July 19th everything was ticking over just fine, and noone had any reason to impersonate anyone else. Now, yes. Then, no. Those July 19th postings in that other thread can only be from someone high up in the organization.

 

[CrownVegas]

and I have to hand it to Tony; he's hanging in there pretty well. I don't play at CV (can't) and I usually get very frustrated at casinorep's noninvolved nonreplies to threads in these fora, but I am having trouble not siding with Tony. Now, I am nobody and know nothing of what is going on behind the scenes, but strictly from an argumentative point of view, Tony is looking a lot stronger. The mob seems to have jumped to a conclusion that it is unwilling to realistically assess (is Tony really Rick?). The tenacity to which people hold this view, coupled with their unwillingness to contact Tony, only lend credence to his claims that there are ulterior motives at play here. Tony seems to be sticking to his story pretty well, as far as I can see.
IF Tony and Rick are indeed different people, then Tony has been MORE than patient in continuing to respond to such vitriol, and the slight acerbicity of his responses well justified. I know if I were he and that were the case, I would be much less gracious (but then again, I am just a junkie, not a casino operator, so perhaps more should be expected).
Of course, it may be the case that they are one and the same person, in which case Mary's psychological analysis was as hiliarious as it was spot on. Nonetheless, until further data is in: I vote for Tony. Given the situation, his side is more convincing so far, to me.

Thanks, well I'm not sure it has dawned yet on many people that maybe, just maybe, the reason I am in such denial and posting so often with explanations is that in fact the story is really true. What's funny is, people expect me to have reasons why Rick posted X on X date and why he would post other things. I will repeat again since this fact seems to be constantly forgotten, Rick can post whatever he wants on any board and I would have no control. I will REPEAT again for those who have trouble understanding my english. Rick, with his own motives, was doing the posting. Is that point understood to Caruso/Mary/Jetset?

So if he was being nice about CV or trying to help people with CV to gain their confidence so he could steal them to his own direction, or post on other forums looking for databases, he was doing it under his own FREE WILL. And to mary, I have NOT changed my story, your interpration though keeps changing. You kept asking me why he would be nice, I was giving you my opinion based on what's happened. There's no way I can know for sure since that would require me contacting him and at this time I've been advised not to. So, I'll repeat certain points, I know I have to for some of you, Rick is a human and unless I was inside his head, there is no way I can know for sure why/what/where/when he was/is/has posted/posting/posts. He 'MAY' have thought at one point he was going to be able to get his job back, or, he may have wanted people to trust him by pretending to be nice so he could do more deals for his personal gain. He 'MAY' have been insulting people because it was made public of his intentions, or maybe he got mad at some people, or maybe he's a schizo. I have no idea.

I know everyone who's contacted me thus far has found my postings amusing and sides with me because they see several posters here consistently not understanding points that are repeated over and over again.

 

[Vesuvio]

Rick is a human and unless I was inside his head...

That's the point though, Tony. The most logical explanation for all of these posts is that you and Rick are working together, or the same person. No-one's failing to understand your denials - what do you find so baffling in our not being entirely convinced by them? This wouldn't be the first time a casino's got into trouble and decided to claim someone else is in charge.

Jamiester, there's no mob here - just independent observers (who often disagree) coming to the same conclusion.

Tony, if your story's true and you can corroborate it (e.g. in conversation with Casinomeister), then I'm happy to apologise & I'm sure you can move on from here - in the meantime lashing out at respected figures in the casino industry (not me, I hasten to add!) probably isn't the best option for a genuine casino owner.

 

[CrownVegas]

That's the point though, Tony. The most logical explanation for all of these posts is that you and Rick are working together, or the same person. No-one's failing to understand your denials - what do you find so baffling in our not being entirely convinced by them? This wouldn't be the first time a casino's got into trouble and decided to claim someone else is in charge.

Jamiester, there's no mob here - just independent observers (who often disagree) coming to the same conclusion.

Tony, if your story's true and you can corroborate it (e.g. in conversation with Casinomeister), then I'm happy to apologise & I'm sure you can move on from here - in the meantime lashing out at respected figures in the casino industry (not me, I hasten to add!) probably isn't the best option for a genuine casino owner.

I understand, which is why I am communicating with casinomeister to try to get everything sorted out. Which is why I've said I am more than open to any suggestions anyone could think of. I don't mean to come off as lashing, but there's comes a point, when you know you are right, and you have a handful of people not believing you, that you just get extremely frustrated. I will discuss with Casinomeister all the points, and I'm sure he'll understand my points and we'll put this behind us. I've wanted to do that from the start, and one of the reasons I am so passionate in my arguements is because I understand the value of the opinions of people here which is why I take the time to respond and try to clear things up.

 

[thelawnet]

I understand, which is why I am communicating with casinomeister to try to get everything sorted out. Which is why I've said I am more than open to any suggestions anyone could think of. I don't mean to come off as lashing, but there's comes a point, when you know you are right, and you have a handful of people not believing you, that you just get extremely frustrated. I will discuss with Casinomeister all the points, and I'm sure he'll understand my points and we'll put this behind us.

Has this been done?

Last I remember there were some unanswered questions, although the thread has faded from view.

 

[rudepete]

Very disturbed about what is going on.......

I have been playing at Crown Vegas for some time now and have been following this latest post and I am quite disturbed by it.
I feel this is no way for a casino to act or conduct business and I am through with them.
You know it is weird but before I even came here and read these many posts I knew something was up. Before coming here I just played $120 there at 20 cents (most of the time) per spin and couldn't get crap.
I have never had this happen here. It was a bonus coupon I used and I usually can meet the wagering requirements or get dang close. This was an absolute first for me at this particular casino. That is why I wondered what the heck was going on. So I came here to see if others mentioned it and I found this huge problem going on with the supposed manager or owner of Crown Vegas and all the junk associated with him.
I sit here shaking my head. I have lost all faith now and will take it off my computer. No more the loyal player.
I felt somewhat secure playing and deposting at certain casinos and now I don't feel secure any longer and I am seriously considering dropping all of them off my computer and just save up my money for the land based casinos close to me in Canada or Detroit.
Crown Vegas, you know who I am and I damn well don't care if you lock me out or whatever you do to disgruntled players, but you have lost one here, which, if you have so many I guess it won't matter much. Name is the same....
I am not sore about losing the money as much as I am really mad about the crap that is being put out here.

 

[Rebel2k5]

I joined this forum because it's been a month since my withdrawal request from Crown Vegas, and I still don't have the money.

I've been told a check has been sent about 10 times now. Then the next day, they say it will go out soon.

 

[peteyweestro]

so what ever happened with this scenario anyways?????

 

[steinhaug]

That would be fun to know! Another ones of theese classic threads it seems!