Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[goatwack]

Aaand....it's all over!!!!!! Boris did it!!!!

(until next time)

Now we're told to take 'personal responsibility', and the thing that could never be likened to flu, be treated as though it were flu!

Amazing how that wasn't the case before, apparently we all needed saving from ourselves and others, not to mention protecting the bureaucratic NHS and its TikTok dancing nurses....

So there you have it, you'd almost think a lot of this bluster could have been avoided, but why get in the way of Big Pharma and politicians' payday, eh? I suspect the next unspecified virus of unknown origin is already waiting in the wings ?

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[sufferinsilence]

Aaand....it's all over!!!!!! Boris did it!!!!

(until next time)

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Now we're told to take 'personal responsibility', and the thing that could never be likened to flu, be treated as though it were flu!

Amazing how that wasn't the case before, apparently we all needed saving from ourselves and others, not to mention protecting the bureaucratic NHS and its TikTok dancing nurses....

So there you have it, you'd almost think a lot of this bluster could have been avoided, but why get in the way of Big Pharma and politicians' payday, eh? I suspect the next unspecified virus of unknown origin is already waiting in the wings ?

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Freeeeeeeeeedumb!

 

[goatwack]

We did it! On to our trucks, people!

 

[sufferinsilence]

On a more serious note: declaring that restrictions are lifted once and for all might come back to bite him in the ass come next autumn and winter. I know everyone wants to think the worst is over but with a, still, evolving virus it could go each way. For all we know a next variant might be more virulent and off we go again. I hope not but it's a scenario that still has to be monitored.

Yeah, I know this wasn't on Fox News.

 

[dionysus]

Arguing with some ding-dong online (American, gosh they seem to care more than we do)
Trudeau is CASTRO, down with the Canadian dictatorship

Look, we allowed protests, not for days, but for WEEKS
WEEKS before any forces were brought in
Ya had your say, we grudgingly, allowed your occupancy.
We are NOT the states
Move along

 

[sufferinsilence]

Oh. Hope the person with the heart condition will be ok tho.

 

[paul7388]

Oh. Hope the person with the heart condition will be ok tho.

But was the heart attack brought on by shock of seeing all the horses charging at the person,

 

[sufferinsilence]

But was the heart attack brought on by shock of seeing all the horses charging at the person,

Or from standing in the cold for 3 weeks. Anything's possible at this point.

 

[bamberfishcake]

 

[bamberfishcake]

This could be very important

Doctors and Nurses have been aspirating injections for years until a couple of years ago.

There are clearly consequences for not doing so, what I can't fathom is why the WHO would now say it is not necessary? For what gain? Why?

 

[goatwack]

It's reported that today's the day that marks the end of the Canada protests, where police hope to 'seal the deal' with their winning strategy used thus far, namely pepper spray and tear gas

 

[interlog]

It's reported that today's the day that marks the end of the Canada protests, where police hope to 'seal the deal' with their winning strategy used thus far, namely pepper spray and tear gas

Only pepper spray and tear gas? I read previous comparisons that Canada is akin to Nazi Germany and those 40's krauts wouldn't want to be all being woke with pepper spray and tear gas surely?

 

[bamberfishcake]

It's reported that today's the day that marks the end of the Canada protests, where police hope to 'seal the deal' with their winning strategy used thus far, namely pepper spray and tear gas

Tell you, from first-hand experience (not as the intended recipient but being in the wrong place at the wrong time) those Canadians must be made of stern stuff. That pepper spray is nasty, unless it was a watered-down version, the recipients I saw hardly flinched.

 

[goatwack]

...

Only pepper spray and tear gas? I read previous comparisons that Canada is akin to Nazi Germany and those 40's krauts wouldn't want to be all being woke with pepper spray and tear gas surely?

I think they're holding back the MG 15s and Berettas for the upcoming Flower Picking Senior Association gathering

 

[shadow123]

Bit of bad news, the Queen has caught Covid,hope she is strong enough to get through it

 

[Steviedoo]

Bit of bad news, the Queen has caught Covid,hope she is strong enough to get through it

Just like the flu…nothing to worry about.

 

[mack341]

Queen Elizabeth II is also the Queen of Canada.

On this aspiration issue, I suppose the more deltoid muscle you have the better, so I ought to be okay were I to develop amnesia and then head down to the covid vax centre....

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[Kroffe]

I get what Russel is saying, but in many of the videos i have seen from reporters talking with the truckers, they are saying the only thing that would make them leave is if they get what they want.
Russels plan of going out to talk to them only works if Trudeau is willing to give in to all their demands, which he clearly never had any intention of doiing. So i dont think the talking to them plan is as foolproof as Russel seem to think it is.


They have a right to peacefully protest, but the moment it starts to infringe on others peoples rights its no longer a peaceful protest.
Your rights end where mine begin and all that.
Just because it has not been violent does not mean it has not had negative consequences for fellow Canadians that need to actually use the roads they block, or that bridge, etc.

Its also much easier to call it peaceful from a distance, if i had a couple of trucks outside my house 'peacefully' making it impossible for me to sleep, it wouldnt take long before some truck windshields got 'peacefully' smashed in my counter-protest.

I think the mandates are a shit idea and Trudeaus handling of the situation has been extremely poor from day one,
but giving in to the toddler-tacitc used by the trucker protest would probably also backfire.

Try implementing a law that makes it illegal for animals to operate vehicles after giving in to the truckers and see what happens.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I get what Russel is saying, but in many of the videos i have seen from reporters talking with the truckers, they are saying the only thing that would make them leave is if they get what they want.
Russels plan of going out to talk to them only works if Trudeau is willing to give in to all their demands, which he clearly never had any intention of doiing. So i dont think the talking to them plan is as foolproof as Russel seem to think it is.


They have a right to peacefully protest, but the moment it starts to infringe on others peoples rights its no longer a peaceful protest.
Your rights end where mine begin and all that.
Just because it has not been violent does not mean it has not had negative consequences for fellow Canadians that need to actually use the roads they block, or that bridge, etc.

Its also much easier to call it peaceful from a distance, if i had a couple of trucks outside my house 'peacefully' making it impossible for me to sleep, it wouldnt take long before some truck windshields got 'peacefully' smashed in my counter-protest.

I think the mandates are a shit idea and Trudeaus handling of the situation has been extremely poor from day one,
but giving in to the toddler-tacitc used by the trucker protest would probably also backfire.

Try implementing a law that makes it illegal for animals to operate vehicles after giving in to the truckers and see what happens.


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Until you try and have a conversation though, any outcome is speculation. And even if you know your course of action, as Trudeau obviously did by bringing in emergency powers, skipping the democratic part takes democracy out of the equation and probably encourages more protests and dissent.

Leaving out the democratic aspect leads to people calling you a fascist dictator and illegitimate son of Castro

Governments know what rules they are going to enforce and impose on their people, the difference is that in a democracy, they talk about it first, in a dictatorship, they just go ahead and do it, as Trudeau did, he even shut down parliament for a day so other politicians couldn't have a say about his emergency powers.

 

[bamberfishcake]

@Kroffe and taking your analogy about Truckers being outside your house would get smashed windscreens, having a chat first might avoid the glass smashing, and your own being smashed back

 

[goatwack]

Until you try and have a conversation though, any outcome is speculation. And even if you know your course of action, as Trudeau obviously did by bringing in emergency powers, skipping the democratic part takes democracy out of the equation and probably encourages more protests and dissent.

Leaving out the democratic aspect leads to people calling you a fascist dictator and illegitimate son of Castro

Governments know what rules they are going to enforce and impose on their people, the difference is that in a democracy, they talk about it first, in a dictatorship, they just go ahead and do it, as Trudeau did, he even shut down parliament for a day so other politicians couldn't have a say about his emergency powers.

Shh.....wtf man

Thought we'd established Trudeau = good and just, right side of history, Freedom Truckers = dumb- dumb stupidos who deserve to be sent to the Gulags. It's fair game when it's about going against the grain, because then the rules don't apply. And why would they? These people deserve everything they get!

 

[Kroffe]

@Kroffe and taking your analogy about Truckers being outside your house would get smashed windscreens, having a chat first might avoid the glass smashing, and your own being smashed back

If i noticed they didnt stop after around midnight i would go out and tell them i cant sleep because of the noise. please stop.
I guess my neighbours would also be out there saying the same thing since they have young kids that need to sleep.


Any honking after that means my neighbour and me need to try something else.

 

[Kroffe]

Until you try and have a conversation though, any outcome is speculation. And even if you know your course of action, as Trudeau obviously did by bringing in emergency powers, skipping the democratic part takes democracy out of the equation and probably encourages more protests and dissent.

Leaving out the democratic aspect leads to people calling you a fascist dictator and illegitimate son of Castro

Governments know what rules they are going to enforce and impose on their people, the difference is that in a democracy, they talk about it first, in a dictatorship, they just go ahead and do it, as Trudeau did, he even shut down parliament for a day so other politicians couldn't have a say about his emergency powers.

I said i did not agree with how Trudeau is doing things, its crap.
Same goes for the truckers, they had their protest, let the government know about their dissent etc. thats what the right to protest is.

Trudeau shits on democracy.
A small minority hreatening to never stop their protesting, blockades etc until they get what they want is also shitting on democracy.

Its like watching two people you dont like fighting each other.
I dont want either of them to win, im hoping for a rare double KO.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I said i did not agree with how Trudeau is doing things, its crap.
Same goes for the truckers, they had their protest, let the government know about their dissent etc. thats what the right to protest is.

Trudeau shits on democracy.
A small minority hreatening to never stop their protesting, blockades etc until they get what they want is also shitting on democracy.

Its like watching two people you dont like fighting each other.
I dont want either of them to win, im hoping for a rare double KO.

But in the absence of democracy and when the system lets you down, what else are you supposed to do? Roll over and let them get away with it?

Sometimes you have to take a stand and that's what they did. Maybe Trudeau talking to them would have encouraged a different response.

I'm proud that they stood up for freedom of choice.

 

[Steviedoo]

Until you try and have a conversation though, any outcome is speculation. And even if you know your course of action, as Trudeau obviously did by bringing in emergency powers, skipping the democratic part takes democracy out of the equation and probably encourages more protests and dissent.

Leaving out the democratic aspect leads to people calling you a fascist dictator and illegitimate son of Castro

Governments know what rules they are going to enforce and impose on their people, the difference is that in a democracy, they talk about it first, in a dictatorship, they just go ahead and do it, as Trudeau did, he even shut down parliament for a day so other politicians couldn't have a say about his emergency powers.

Trudeau has no say in what the provinces do with the mandates. The provinces operate by themselves with their own rules and laws. A dictator would have shut this down on the first day.

Both the USA and Canada mandated that all truckers crossing into Canada be vaccinated. No more exemptions. This affects 12,000 Canadian truckers. The convoy has been condemned by trucking industry and labour groups. The Canadian Trucking Alliance (CTA) stated that most protesters had no connection to trucking.

The convoy have claimed it’s not about vaccines anymore but freedom from all mandates. So what is there to talk about, Trudeau has no say in this. What is this really about?

They made headlines across the world. They made their point. According to the forum they got mandates dropped. What more do they want?

This is what Canadians want. Canadians want them gone. Ottawa residents especially want them gone.

It’s enough. Move on.

 

[goatwack]

Worth bearing in mind that on the flipside, Canada's democratic processes are steeped in freedoms and human rights, and whilst Trudeau is indeed a cockwomble, the right to protest, and do so without fear of one's life, is pretty much a given.

I mean sure, the protests may have been akin to The Waltons outtakes, and by and large, passed by peacefully.

Compare that to, say, the Hong Kong protests, albeit different in their aims and meaning, and you'll find people risking real, erm, 'repercussions' for their actions. If caught there, you'd find yourself having to probably get used to a few 'lifestyle' changes.

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So whilst the rollout of emergency powers were indeed excessive, and the truckers' concerns valid, I'd imagine many - and going by the casual Live feeds I saw recently - would have few problems reintegrating back into their routine once all this has passed, give or take a few financial confiscations.

It'll be far more interesting to see what comes of this going forward, and how indeed Trudeau/ government/ authorities handle this next time, because I'd imagine we haven't seen the last of this just yet......

Toot toot! ???

 

[bamberfishcake]

Trudeau has no say in what the provinces do with the mandates. The provinces operate by themselves with their own rules and laws. A dictator would have shut this down on the first day.

Both the USA and Canada mandated that all truckers crossing into Canada be vaccinated. No more exemptions. This affects 12,000 Canadian truckers. The convoy has been condemned by trucking industry and labour groups. The Canadian Trucking Alliance (CTA) stated that most protesters had no connection to trucking.

The convoy have claimed it’s not about vaccines anymore but freedom from all mandates. So what is there to talk about, Trudeau has no say in this. What is this really about?

They made headlines across the world. They made their point. According to the forum they got mandates dropped. What more do they want?

This is what Canadians want. Canadians want them gone. Ottawa residents especially want them gone.

It’s enough. Move on.

I was responding to Kroffes post about Rusell Brand's suggestion of a discussion.

It's really about democracy and the lack of it by Trudeau. More than just truckers showing up clearly shows that it's a bigger issue than just the mandates and not all Canadians, as you suggest, wanted them gone or to let it lie.

Trudeau handled it poorly and the democratic process went out the window. Hopefully, we won't look back on this moment and say 'we should have stood up for democracy more'.

I'll take your suggestion of moving on to mean the Truckers

 

[paul7388]

I was responding to Kroffes post about Rusell Brand's suggestion of a discussion.

It's really about democracy and the lack of it by Trudeau. More than just truckers showing up clearly shows that it's a bigger issue than just the mandates and not all Canadians, as you suggest, wanted them gone or to let it lie.

Trudeau handled it poorly and the democratic process went out the window. Hopefully, we won't look back on this moment and say 'we should have stood up for democracy more'.

I'll take your suggestion of moving on to mean the Truckers

But is that any worse than UK.

Where democracy went out the window. Where the Government decide what was best for people and the people had no choice.

Might have backed down now but a lot has to do with the fact covid has evolved into more a cold and no longer deadly virus. This was the country where Politicians went against what a lot of people wanted. Where NHS staff and Care home staff were told get the vaccine or lose job. Where we could not leave or enter country without vaccines and had to quarantine if unvaccinated.

Where Pubs restaurants and many businesses were forced to close losing livelihoods. I could go on with lists of things Government decided was happening and people had no say on any of it what so ever.

So really can not see the difference in way Canadian government wanted drivers vaccinated and will not listen to the way our own country has been over last 2 years.

 

[Kroffe]

But in the absence of democracy and when the system lets you down, what else are you supposed to do? Roll over and let them get away with it?

Sometimes you have to take a stand and that's what they did. Maybe Trudeau talking to them would have encouraged a different response.

I'm proud that they stood up for freedom of choice.

I dont hink you can complain of a lack of democracy and at the the same time be proud that a minority is trying to force their will with blockades and protests.

When you live in a democracy you will at times end up being the minority, and its of course not fun when that happens.
But you know that those that are the majority now will be the minority for other things.

I dont agree with many laws/rules/mandates implemented this way, and many of them do limit my freedoom of choice in more ways than one.
List could be made a mile long of things that the majority have agreed on that impacts me in a negative way.
But that is true for everyone, not just me.

Majority rule is sort of key in a democracy.

 

[Steviedoo]

I was responding to Kroffes post about Rusell Brand's suggestion of a discussion.

It's really about democracy and the lack of it by Trudeau. More than just truckers showing up clearly shows that it's a bigger issue than just the mandates and not all Canadians, as you suggest, wanted them gone or to let it lie.

Trudeau handled it poorly and the democratic process went out the window. Hopefully, we won't look back on this moment and say 'we should have stood up for democracy more'.

I'll take your suggestion of moving on to mean the Truckers

Hang on a minute.

How is there a lack of democracy? They were allowed to occupy the downtown core of the capital city for three weeks. In that time they made life a living hell for the residents there. they were allowed to party, protest, chant, sing, smoke, eat, dance etc for that time.

Just to repeat:

1. the protest went from being about trucker vaccines to mandates. they are protesting the wrong level of government. All sorts of wrongs with this. No one from my province wants Trudeau getting involved on how we do things here. Misguided protests.

2. The money that got frozen. There are millions of dollars that is coming from outside of Canada to change Canadian law. Is that fair? Is that right? No. Does it happen in other ways in our country, yes, but what kind of government would we be if we showed the world … hey you can fund any protest you want in order to change the laws and we won’t do anything. The fact that’s It’s coming from the USA doesn’t make it ok. If it were any other country we would be all up in arms …

3. When a couple thousand people say we are not moving until you change the laws, And it’s a couple of thousand people. It’s not representative of the country and it becomes an us against them. Is this democracy? By all means protest. Make your point. They’ve got the attention of the world. But we went from protest to occupation.

And what does it say to foreign nations if Trudeau went down there and agreed with them. What does it say to the rest of the country? You can get what you want if you occupy the downtown of the country’s capital. Hey foreign countries you can come change our laws if you just sit here and play nice and fund the movement.

4. The convoy went from being a protest to an occupation. And so that changed everything. The charter of rights they misquote does not apply. So yeah Trudeau invoked the emergencies act.

And canadians want them gone. I’m sorry you think that they don’t but there are polls out there that shows that we want them out of there. It’s enough.

And yes. Move on was for the truckers.

And yes Trudeau does not know how to lead. Handled it poorly.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I'm not saying the UK is better than Canada, it's much worse from what I can gather. It's not a competition, I've obviously given the wrong end of the stick. Injustice is injustice.

But no, we have not mandated compulsory injections, we still have a choice, for now.

What situation would we be in without such protests and upheaval and people speaking out?

Are you ok with the billions of pounds wasted? With the misinformation and transfer of wealth? With the fear-mongering and shutting down of professional voices and the obvious, well to me anyway, pushing of an untested vaccine with no proof that it helps to fatten the pockets of the rich?

Without people speaking out, you guys would be on your fourth, fifth or sixth boosters now and it would be seen as the norm. Good luck with that.

This situation we find ourselves in is unprecedented and corrupt to its core, sacrificing health for wealth.

And no, it's not a democracy when there is no discussion or vote, it's oppression and not a result of mass opinion because there has been no consultation, no discussion, no vote = no mass opinion.

Anyway, think I've made my point and my intention was never to piss people off, just to openly discuss the corruption of so-called democracy's. I'm clearly a minority view on that one and I wish I was as content as you guys with the situation, but I'm not, I'm scared for my kids and will be fighting till the end to stop them from being jabbed just so another fat cat can buy another bottle of champagne and laugh at how easy the sheep willingly bent over and got f'@"*d.

Let's get them jabbed for the common cold - what a masterstroke of commercial genius.

Roll out the next strain.

 

[goatwack]

Just a shame then that these topics devolve into the same predictable patterns. You don't expect everyone to be singing Kumbaya together but it's essentially another 'vaxxer vs anti- vaxxer' dick-waving contest, probably just one of 50,000 across the internet as we speak.

Also sad that people choose to condemn these Freedom Truckers based on their own vax status no doubt, and so they must be evil nuisances (by default) and the government right in what they do........when really, we should be equally angered at governments' handling of this crisis, everywhere. Yup cue John Lennon blah blah blah

Such is the predictability of these types of threads that no one ever concedes anything and wires get crossed, and the usual partisan bullshit ensues, without even a hint of attaining an alternative understanding....

I actually commend Bamber's not having his kids jabbed until at least more is known about the long- term side- effects of the shots, good on him.

Now, 'resume'

 

[paul7388]

I actually commend Bamber's not having his kids jabbed until at least more is known about the long- term side- effects of them, good on him.

Think that is one thing most agree on.

If my kids were that age no way would they get the vaccine.

Even when it was the Delta variant which depending on your opinion was a much worse strain the experts were saying no need to give vaccine to 12 to 16 year olds.

Now with a strain basically as harmful as mild flu and no scientific data to back up they are wanting to jag 5 year olds. Now that is completely wrong.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Just a shame then that these topics devolve into the same predictable patterns. You don't expect everyone to be singing Kumbaya together but it's essentially another 'vaxxer vs anti- vaxxer' dick-waving contest, probably just one of 50,000 across the internet as we speak.

Also sad that people choose to condemn these Freedom Truckers based on their own vax status no doubt, and so they must be evil nuisances (by default) and the government right in what they do........when really, we should be equally angered at governments' handling of this crisis, everywhere. Yup cue John Lennon blah blah blah

Such is the predictability of these types of threads that no one ever concedes anything and wires get crossed, and the usual partisan bullshit ensues, without even a hint of attaining an alternative understanding....

I actually commend Bamber's not having his kids jabbed until at least more is known about the long- term side- effects of the shots, good on him.

Now, 'resume'

I think the words oppression, regime, dictatorship, <insert more buzzwords here> are being thrown around all too easily these days. Just because you don't agree with a rule/mandate/law it doesn't automatically mean we're going back to communism or nazism.

It does seem the Canadian protest is a very vocal minority tho and instead of growing worldwide it went the other way around. As far as I could see atleast it didn't gain the momentum that some wanted it to gain. The fact there was foreign money involved in these local protests should make one worry instead of celebrate that there was worldwide "support".

I can't stress it enough that I have no issues with these protests aslong as they're peaceful and permitted. My "vax status" has absolutely nothing to do with that, I believe in democracy and the freedom to act like a tit sometimes... Err... I mean freedom of speech and all that.

Declaring governments all over the world have mishandled the whole situation is Monday morning quarterbacking at this point in time. Let's go back in time 2 years and see what we knew at that point. The fact we can ease up on restrictions now is because of gained immunity, be it natural or by vaccination, and the latest strain was perceived as very mild due to that. And yes, let's review all the actions that were taken and learn for the future because I'm sure another pandemic will come around. Hopefully not in my lifetime because I can't take another 1000 page topic on this forum.

Get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated.. I don't particularly care as that's one's own decision.

 

[goatwack]

I think the words oppression, regime, dictatorship, <insert more buzzwords here> are being thrown around all too easily these days. Just because you don't agree with a rule/mandate/law it doesn't automatically mean we're going back to communism or nazism.

It does seem the Canadian protest is a very vocal minority tho and instead of growing worldwide it went the other way around. As far as I could see atleast it didn't gain the momentum that some wanted it to gain. The fact there was foreign money involved in these local protests should make one worry instead of celebrate that there was worldwide "support".

I can't stress it enough that I have no issues with these protests aslong as they're peaceful and permitted. My "vax status" has absolutely nothing to do with that, I believe in democracy and the freedom to act like a tit sometimes... Err... I mean freedom of speech and all that.

Declaring governments all over the world have mishandled the whole situation is Monday morning quarterbacking at this point in time. Let's go back in time 2 years and see what we knew at that point. The fact we can ease up on restrictions now is because of gained immunity, be it natural or by vaccination, and the latest strain was perceived as very mild due to that. And yes, let's review all the actions that were taken and learn for the future because I'm sure another pandemic will come around. Hopefully not in my lifetime because I can't take another 1000 page topic on this forum.

Get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated.. I don't particularly care as that's one's own decision.

Well, I've not seen too much hyperbole from you, and even learnt a new term in 'Monday morning quarterbacking', so thank you for that!

But really, let's get real, everyone takes some form of preset bias into this debate based on whether they've been vaccinated or not, I think that much is clear

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well, I've not seen too much hyperbole from you, and even learnt a new term in 'Monday morning quarterbacking', so thank you for that!

But really, let's get real, everyone takes some form of preset bias into this debate based on whether they've been vaccinated or not, I think that much is clear

Obviously, I can't really see how someone who didn't get vaccinated is all of a sudden pro-mandates

 

[goatwack]

Obviously, I can't really see how someone who didn't get vaccinated is all of a sudden pro-mandates

Please stop it with your Tuesday afternoon linebackering

 

[geordiecolin]

Well, I've not seen too much hyperbole from you, and even learnt a new term in 'Monday morning quarterbacking', so thank you for that!

But really, let's get real, everyone takes some form of preset bias into this debate based on whether they've been vaccinated or not, I think that much is clear

You are 100% spot on. Nobody wants to feel as if they fucked up with their choices and look for detail to back that up as a comfort blanket. Right now the "conspiracy theorists" have been proven correct with so many things over the past 2 years

 

[goatwack]

You are 100% spot on. Nobody wants to feel as if they fucked up with their choices and look for detail to back that up as a comfort blanket. Right now the "conspiracy theorists" have been proven correct with so many things over the past 2 years

I'm always right, I thought that was common knowledge. Even when I'm wrong!

 

[Steviedoo]

But really, let's get real, everyone takes some form of preset bias into this debate based on whether they've been vaccinated or not, I think that much is clear

This much we can agree on. Absolutely biased because I do not agree with the truckers. They have every right to protest. Just not stay there for three weeks and then complain that they’re being kicked out. And that this went down without incidence Is a testament to them and to our police force. Canadians don’t want trouble.

I agree with Kroffe. The words nazi. Dictatorship. Get thrown around a lot. And democracy is majority rules. And someone will be left out.

I do believe we’ve had some good debate here and it’s been quite civil. Unlike previous ones where it devolves into name calling and posters get reported left right and Center.

I have a deep respect for all of the posters here. Everyone is entitled to their say and opinions. And Just because we are not swayed by the opposite opinion and gone to the opposite side of where we were does not mean we don’t respect each other. It’s possible to live side by side and not agree on everything.

Respectfully.

 

[slotplayer]

What a great chair Rota has.

 

[Kroffe]

I agree with Kroffe.

Me too, i would trust that guy with my life.

 

[geordiecolin]

What a great chair Rota has.

Klaus Schwab bragged that he was very happy to have infiltrated governments and places of power with junior members of the World Economic Forum. Klaus will for sure not want to see the influence a trucker "victory" would have around the World.
He has them in his pockets.


Quickly shut down a question in parliament "Good question the audio was really bad and the video was really bad"Next.



If Castro goes full communist on the truckers it could expose him and the WEF agenda for the future for what it is and they will not want the world to wake up. Folk do not realise what the WEF's aim is for our future. They have not positioned the young WEF leaders in place to have no influence.


Notable members and alumni of Young Global Leaders include:[9]

Present and former politicians and civil servants:

Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, Canada
Sean Fraser, Ministry of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, Canada
François-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, Canada
Elissa Golberg, Assistant Deputy Minister for Strategic Policy, Canada
Karina Gould, Minister of Families, Children and Social Development, Canada
Jagmeet Singh, Leader, Canada's New Democrats, Canada
Renée Maria Tremblay, Senior Counsel, Supreme Court of Canada
Emmanuel Macron, President of France
Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister of New Zealand
Alexander De Croo, Prime Minister of Belgium
Sanna Marin, Prime Minister of Finland
Carlos Alvarado Quesada, President of Costa Rica
Annalena Baerbock, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Germany
Jens Spahn, former Federal Minister of Health, Germany
Sebastian Kurz, former Chancellor of Austria
Annika Saarikko, Minister of Finance, Finland
Mark Boris Andrijani&#269;, Minister of Digital Transformation, Slovenia
Amélie de Montchalin, Minister of Public Sector Transformation and the Civil Service, France
Lea Wermelin, Minister for Environment, Denmark
Niki Kerameus, Minister of Education and Religious Affairs, Greece
Irene Tinagli, Member of the European Parliament
Karien van Gennip, Minister of Social Affairs and Employment, Netherlands
Mamuka Bakhtadze, former Prime Minister of Georgia
Peter Buttigieg, Secretary of Transportation, USA
Vera Daves de Sousa, Minister of Finance, Angola
Gila Demri Gamliel, Member of the Knesset, Israel
Martín Guzmán, Minister of Economy, Argentina
Kojo Oppong Nkrumah, Minister of Information, Ghana
Leo Varadkar, Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Ireland
Zhu Xiaoxuan, Deputy Director, China Science and Technology Exchange Center, Ministry of Science and Technology, People's Republic of China
Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway

Business:

Jimmy Wales, Founder of Wikipedia
Sergei Brin, Co-founder of Google
Larry Page, Co-founder of Google
Mark Zuckerberg, Founder of Facebook
Jack Ma, Founder of Alibaba
Leo Tilman, American financier
Rajiv Shah, President of the Rockefeller Foundation

Media:

Anderson Cooper, American broadcast journalist and political commentator
Fasi Zaka, Pakistani political commentator, columnist, radio talk show host, and television anchor
Eva Dichand, Austrian media manager, Heute daily newspaper
Felix R. Graf, Chief Executive Officer, NZZ Medien-Gruppe, Switzerland

Arts, Culture & Sports:

Leonardo DiCaprio, American actor
Ashton Kutcher, American actor
Charlize Theron, South African actress
Lera Auerbach
Ólafur Elíasson
Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck, Director
Michael Schumacher, German former racing driver
Nico Rosberg, German-Finnish former racing driver
Wyclef Jean, American musician
Hu Ge, Chinese actor

 

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Are the truckers still in situ?

Klaus said there was a 'narrow' window of opportunity to 'reshape' the world, maybe the davos elite realise it's gone.

"zee virus has mildened, therefore our plans go on zee ice"

 

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Are the truckers still in situ?

Klaus said there was a 'narrow' window of opportunity to 'reshape' the world, maybe the davos elite realise it's gone.

"zee virus has mildened, therefore our plans go on zee ice"

Recently I watched Bill Gates start a convo by stating "sadly Omicron has allowed immunity to take over...." or words to that effect as if he did not want that event to happen

 

[goatwack]

Klaus Schwab bragged that he was very happy to have infiltrated governments and places of power with junior members of the World Economic Forum. Klaus will for sure not want to see the influence a trucker "victory" would have around the World.
He has them in his pockets.


Quickly shut down a question in parliament "Good question the audio was really bad and the video was really bad"Next.



If Castro goes full communist on the truckers it could expose him and the WEF agenda for the future for what it is and they will not want the world to wake up. Folk do not realise what the WEF's aim is for our future. They have not positioned the young WEF leaders in place to have no influence.


Notable members and alumni of Young Global Leaders include:[9]

Present and former politicians and civil servants:

Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, Canada
Sean Fraser, Ministry of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, Canada
François-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, Canada
Elissa Golberg, Assistant Deputy Minister for Strategic Policy, Canada
Karina Gould, Minister of Families, Children and Social Development, Canada
Jagmeet Singh, Leader, Canada's New Democrats, Canada
Renée Maria Tremblay, Senior Counsel, Supreme Court of Canada
Emmanuel Macron, President of France
Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister of New Zealand
Alexander De Croo, Prime Minister of Belgium
Sanna Marin, Prime Minister of Finland
Carlos Alvarado Quesada, President of Costa Rica
Annalena Baerbock, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Germany
Jens Spahn, former Federal Minister of Health, Germany
Sebastian Kurz, former Chancellor of Austria
Annika Saarikko, Minister of Finance, Finland
Mark Boris Andrijani&#269;, Minister of Digital Transformation, Slovenia
Amélie de Montchalin, Minister of Public Sector Transformation and the Civil Service, France
Lea Wermelin, Minister for Environment, Denmark
Niki Kerameus, Minister of Education and Religious Affairs, Greece
Irene Tinagli, Member of the European Parliament
Karien van Gennip, Minister of Social Affairs and Employment, Netherlands
Mamuka Bakhtadze, former Prime Minister of Georgia
Peter Buttigieg, Secretary of Transportation, USA
Vera Daves de Sousa, Minister of Finance, Angola
Gila Demri Gamliel, Member of the Knesset, Israel
Martín Guzmán, Minister of Economy, Argentina
Kojo Oppong Nkrumah, Minister of Information, Ghana
Leo Varadkar, Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Ireland
Zhu Xiaoxuan, Deputy Director, China Science and Technology Exchange Center, Ministry of Science and Technology, People's Republic of China
Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway

Business:

Jimmy Wales, Founder of Wikipedia
Sergei Brin, Co-founder of Google
Larry Page, Co-founder of Google
Mark Zuckerberg, Founder of Facebook
Jack Ma, Founder of Alibaba
Leo Tilman, American financier
Rajiv Shah, President of the Rockefeller Foundation

Media:

Anderson Cooper, American broadcast journalist and political commentator
Fasi Zaka, Pakistani political commentator, columnist, radio talk show host, and television anchor
Eva Dichand, Austrian media manager, Heute daily newspaper
Felix R. Graf, Chief Executive Officer, NZZ Medien-Gruppe, Switzerland

Arts, Culture & Sports:

Leonardo DiCaprio, American actor
Ashton Kutcher, American actor
Charlize Theron, South African actress
Lera Auerbach
Ólafur Elíasson
Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck, Director
Michael Schumacher, German former racing driver
Nico Rosberg, German-Finnish former racing driver
Wyclef Jean, American musician
Hu Ge, Chinese actor

Jesus. They even got to Peter Buttigieg, which I thought could never happen

 

[mack341]

Recently I watched Bill Gates start a convo by stating "sadly Omicron has allowed immunity to take over...." or words to that effect is if he did not want that event to happen

yeah I saw that, makes me slightly worried what next is he going to cook up, most sane people are pleased about omicron. [milder etc]

 

[geordiecolin]

Here it is. He is sad that immunity is taking place due to omicron. He is also fond of "next time" He also states that it the elderly,obese and diabeties which we where pilloried for saying in here a year ago

 

[geordiecolin]

Jesus. They even got to Peter Buttigieg, which I thought could never happen

If they consider world leaders as being junior members then who are the seniors?

 

[goatwack]

If they consider world leaders as being junior members then who are the seniors?

It's usually things like ex-Presidents and historical figures. Little is known of what goes on, but rumour has it this cabal features members that are 100+, they even have the corpses of Napoleon and Gandhi to help influence decisions, and it's located in a cave on the moon