Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[geordiecolin]

lol, great bloody tweet.

The UK government are looking at the efficacy of upgrading those who have passed their cycling road efficiency test grade two to a HGV licence while ignoring the Israeli advanced test model on covid jab data where Israel are rolling out jab number 4 to counteract the utterly dreadful figures recently released showing that the jab is not the promised prescription to getting back to normal life.
Who was it that said that trying the same thing over and over in the hope of obtaining a different result was a sign of madness?

 

[dealer wins]

Its insanity geordie. But govs push it, because its not about about covid, not about vaccines, but about getting people to use a vaccine passport, which will become a full on digital ID and social credit system.

Jabbing kids though, who do not thankfully die from covid, is evil beyond belief!!!

Anyone who cant see this now, is lost!!

 

[dealer wins]

This is the same government and lefties that show sympathy to Shamima Begum, saying she was only a child at 15 and didnt know what she was doing joining ISIS.

 

[geordiecolin]

Its insanity geordie. But govs push it, because its not about about covid, not about vaccines, but about getting people to use a vaccine passport, which will become a full on digital ID and social credit system.

Jabbing kids though, who do not thankfully die from covid, is evil beyond belief!!!

Anyone who cant see this now, is lost!!

I told all my family and friends my thoughts on the idiocy of their kids jabbed not long after they introduced the possibility for the first time of it being a possibility. Of course they at first said that having kids jabbed was not in their thoughts while they gradually rolled out their plan. Just as it started with a few weeks to flatten our initial resistance to our change of life. I also said the same on my social media platforms. But most where either not willing to engage with me,some where very hostile and some wanted to get into a convo about it. The result of all of that was me losing some casual friends and me having the feeling that all I was doing was upsetting those I hold dear. I stopped for the most part sharing my thoughts on my social media.

 

[geordiecolin]

This is the same government and lefties that show sympathy to Shamima Begum, saying she was only a child at 15 and didnt know what she was doing joining ISIS.

To be fair I think that people so young should not be written off for the mistakes they have made in isolation and at that moment that they made it.
FFS if I was judged by my behaviour at 15/16/17/18 I would never have turned a corner.

 

[dealer wins]

To be fair I think that people so young should not be written off for the mistakes they have made in isolation and at that moment that they made it.
FFS if I was judged by my behaviour at 15/16/17/18 I would never have turned a corner.

I agree. And that is why the push to jab kids without parental consent is so so wrong.

What next, kids allowed alcohol, the vote and to have sex with adults, if deemed "Gillick competent"

 

[geordiecolin]

I agree. And that is why the push to jab kids without parental consent is so so wrong.

What next, kids allowed alcohol, the vote and to have sex with adults, if deemed "Gillick competent"

I liked your segway from the Begham part but I appreciate that this is the corona thread
I do not think that I have seen one person post on this thread that they are happy to see children vaccinated. Is there anyone willing to state they are?

 

[mack341]

I reckon there will be, simply because to many, vaccine=beneficial, it's a strongly ring-fenced belief/conclusion.

I think even if you are pro vax, you ought to be highly demanding, no cost is spared on safety, it works on transmission etc...not just accept any old stuff, requiring boosters to the eyeballs.

See, why don't the 50+yr olds have an option of an antibody test to check if there is a clinical need for the booster, probably because it costs money, whereas the govt happily forked out 37 billion for the track and trace system.

I've recently pondered how much vaccine solution can you be injected with, whether it be the nano lipids in pfizer, or the traditional annual flu jab, before it might cause a problem. Is it metabolised and eliminated? I think more trust could be built up if such questions could be asked of whitty etc.. Layman questions.

 

[LoopsterAU]

Live protest right now in Melbourne Australia by people in construction industry over forced jab.



Got pretty ugly yesterday at the end of the day with a small minority rioting and destroying the front of a union building so the government imposed a 2 week lock down on whole construction industry to try turn the rest of them against the protesters.

I think it may have back fired because now there's more people who cant go to work and instead of sitting and home are joining the protest.

Almost 55k people watching so the mainstream media cant lie about it.

 

[mack341]

Doesn't have to be only ivermectin or hcq, happy for anything that shows promise.
"FDA approved gout medicine shows promise fighting COVID-19"
Probenecid is medication approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for treating the condition that causes tenderness and pain at the joints.
Research published by a team from the University of Georgia finds the drug may also be able to inhibit the replication of virus cells like SARS-CoV-2 - which causes Covid - and prevent infection.

 

[Kroffe]

Doesn't have to be only ivermectin or hcq, happy for anything that shows promise.
"FDA approved gout medicine shows promise fighting COVID-19"
Probenecid is medication approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for treating the condition that causes tenderness and pain at the joints.
Research published by a team from the University of Georgia finds the drug may also be able to inhibit the replication of virus cells like SARS-CoV-2 - which causes Covid - and prevent infection.

Would you consider remdesivir and or monoclonal antibodes?
Both approved for treatment and have had good results in both trials and real world use. (i guess trials are techncially also in the real world)
I think they are both approved by MHRA aswell.

 

[mack341]

Would you consider remdesivir and or monoclonal antibodes?
Both approved for treatment and have had good results in both trials and real world use. (i guess trials are techncially also in the real world)
I think they are both approved by MHRA aswell.

Yes but probably in the uk their use would be restricted to the worst cases in hospital, we're just abt to use the antibodies whereas T.rump was treated with them nearly a year ago, so it's all a bit disappointing. Not sure if it's cost or safety issues for the slow rollout.

The safety profile of this drug is well established, I assume it's low cost, and it prevents the viral replication, sounds like a GP could prescribe it in the early stages unlike the two you mentioned.

NHS guidance on remdesivir:
Patients are eligible for treatment with remdesivir, the patient characteristics are:
Hospitalised with coronavirus disease 2019
With pneumonia requiring low-flow supplemental oxygen...
Yet
Remdesivir should not be initiated in patients who present to hospital and are unlikely to survive (determined by clinical judgment). The 4C Mortality Score might be helpful in this assessment.
Remdesivir should not be initiated in patients who present to hospital more than 10 days after symptom onset

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I'm no medical expert but assume initial covid symtoms to pneumonia takes a while, so they're rationing it using these requirements, a full 5 day course is £1,900

 

[mack341]

If one healthy child dies from the vaccine [in that covid wouldn't have been a risk to them] Whitty should face legal consequences. iirc somebody from the JVCI said leaving the decision, whether to vaccinate or not, up to parents was not a good situation as they're not going to be able to discern and calculate the risks. Imo precautionary principle is relevant here, and Whitty is ignoring it by advising all 12-15 to be vaccinated. Parents will heed this advice and some children may end up harmed on that basis who wouldn't have been otherwise.



edit: IF whitty is not happy to accept the responsibility from the consequences of his advice, he ought to preface his advice with a suitable warning. You can't have it both ways.

 

[shadow123]

Sister and brother in law attended a wedding 12 day ago, no one wearing masks, half the guests and both of them have caught covid,they are double jabbed.This aint going away any time soon

 

[sufferinsilence]

My real question is tho: how would you feel about the daily follow-up on the very strict isolation rules, contact tracing and to make sure you took your medication aswell as a checkup on your vitals? I know we have alot of fans of ivermectin here but after all that was part of the action plan aswell in several Indian states. They also heavily use, or used, quarantine facilities to limit the spread.

 

[geordiecolin]

Sister and brother in law attended a wedding 12 day ago, no one wearing masks, half the guests and both of them have caught covid,they are double jabbed.This aint going away any time soon

The latest from the most vaccinated Country in the world who are giving out the 4th jab now is that it will need a booster in 6 months. Is there anyone now in this forum still thinking that it is still about there being a pandemic? If so then why do you think that?

 

[geordiecolin]

My real question is tho: how would you feel about the daily follow-up on the very strict isolation rules, contact tracing and to make sure you took your medication aswell as a checkup on your vitals? I know we have alot of fans of ivermectin here but after all that was part of the action plan aswell in several Indian states. They also heavily use, or used, quarantine facilities to limit the spread.

I will have to watch this tomorrow

 

[mack341]

My real question is tho: how would you feel about the daily follow-up on the very strict isolation rules, contact tracing and to make sure you took your medication aswell as a checkup on your vitals? I know we have alot of fans of ivermectin here but after all that was part of the action plan aswell in several Indian states. They also heavily use, or used, quarantine facilities to limit the spread.

I haven't watched dr john's latest vids, but out of msm sources and content that utube allow, he is more even handed than most and open minded to some degree re therapeutics and vitD.

Will give this vid a watch, but I find it hard to believe all the various docs around the world that have seen patients respond to Ivm, are just deluding themselves, bearing in mind lab based in vitro tests also proved an affect on covid; on the other hand govts keen on vaccinating the planet, and big pharma would do their utmost to suppress it, which is what has played out.

 

[slotplayer]

My conspiracy friend keeps sending me videos. I don't really watch them but here is one.

 

[chuchu59]

Over the past few months we have recorded 0 cases in Hong Kong but restrictions remain including a max 4-person gathering ban and many restaurants and bars facing other bans. Meanwhile, people from mainland China can come in without vaccination or quarantine. Nicole Kidman could also come in with her crew without quarantine and went on a shopping spree.

 

[mack341]

My conspiracy friend keeps sending me videos. I don't really watch them but here is one.

He's got an unfortunate surname for whistleblowing, someone must be pulling his plonker with the title!?

 

[shadow123]

Would love to know how the posters here on all sides of the fence would have tackled the whole Covid thing since day one.
Someone famously quoted that the worse thing to do about a crisis is to do nothing.
I can only imagine where we would be if that had done that and no vaccines had be developed,my view is that its possble we would
talking ongoing deaths in the UK heading towards millions and the breakdown of society.
On the other hand maybe herd immunity would have worked and the virus would have burnt itself out, who knows.
Just glad I was not responsible for trying to sort out an unforeseen situation like this.

 

[Kroffe]

Would love to know how the posters here on all sides of the fence would have tackled the whole Covid thing since day one.
Someone famously quoted that the worse thing to do about a crisis is to do nothing.
I can only imagine where we would be if that had done that and no vaccines had be developed,my view is that its possble we would
talking ongoing deaths in the UK heading towards millions and the breakdown of society.
On the other hand maybe herd immunity would have worked and the virus would have burnt itself out, who knows.
Just glad I was not responsible for trying to sort out an unforeseen situation like this.

If doing nothing was the solution we wouldnt have the virus here in Sweden.
Doing nothing was pretty much exactly how we approached it here in the beginning.

 

[mack341]

This is how you'd expect police in a dictatorship to behave:

 

[Kroffe]

This is how you'd expect police in a dictatorship to behave:

Whats the context?
Im not saying that i think its justified, because its clearly way more violence than the situation warranted, but i assume something happened prior to the nasty takedown because someone decided to start filming the encounter.

Not a big fan of police overall, never have been.
The profession seems to attract people that enjoy the 'power' it gives them over other people.
People will say its just a few bad apples, and that most cops are good, but they forget that 'a few bad apples spoil the bunch'
The so called 'good cops' that stay silent and let other cops get away with stuff like the above are not good cops.

 

[mack341]

Whats the context?
Im not saying that i think its justified, because its clearly way more violence than the situation warranted, but i assume something happened prior to the nasty takedown because someone decided to start filming the encounter.

Not a big fan of police overall, never have been.
The profession seems to attract people that enjoy the 'power' it gives them over other people.
People will say its just a few bad apples, and that most cops are good, but they forget that 'a few bad apples spoil the bunch'
The so called 'good cops' that stay silent and let other cops get away with stuff like the above are not good cops.

Don't know, maybe he wasn't wearing a mask or something, having some sort of calm discussion it looks like, and then a psycho cop with a short fuse intervenes. If you take the uniform away it's just unprovoked violence against a fellow citizen, there has to be a level of what counts as danger or provocation and then reasonable response. I don't think british cops in my locale would act like that, there's an obvious risk of serious injury slamming someone down onto hard tiles or concrete, crack their head and die as a result or break their shoulder.

Some police are very good, would risk themselves to help or assist the vulnerable, and you can chat to them. It has kind of changed a bit over the years I sense, more robotic type interactions, with a tickbox requirement insisted from above.

I was walking behind two officers in my local town the other week, they might have been wearing masks as they were going to a property above a shop, but just their presence was reassuring, helps to keep the feral kids in order. It's rare in my area to see police officers walking out and about, been a few more sightings during lockdown though.

 

[Kroffe]

Don't know, maybe he wasn't wearing a mask or something, having some sort of calm discussion it looks like, and then a psycho cop with a short fuse intervenes. If you take the uniform away it's just unprovoked violence against a fellow citizen, there has to be a level of what counts as danger or provocation and then reasonable response. I don't think british cops in my locale would act like that, there's an obvious risk of serious injury slamming someone down onto hard tiles or concrete, crack their head and die as a result or break their shoulder.

Some police are very good, would risk themselves to help or assist the vulnerable, and you can chat to them. It has kind of changed a bit over the years I sense, more robotic type interactions, with a tickbox requirement insisted from above.

I was walking behind two officers in my local town the other week, they might have been wearing masks as they were going to a property above a shop, but just their presence was reassuring, helps to keep the feral kids in order. It's rare in my area to see police officers walking out and about, been a few more sightings during lockdown though.

Like you say, some are really good, most probably are.
The problem i have is that the good cops often cover for the idiots, like its bad form to snitch on a fellow cop or something because its them against the world, they need to have each others back etc.
What should happen is that all the police apart from the one doing the throwing should write a report about Officer Tihny Johnson's unnecessary use of force (or whatever the correct term is), but i really doubt that will happen.

Seems to me like snitches get stitches no matter what side of the law you are on.

 

[mack341]

Like you say, some are really good, most probably are.
The problem i have is that the good cops often cover for the idiots, like its bad form to snitch on a fellow cop or something because its them against the world, they need to have each others back etc.
What should happen is that all the police apart from the one doing the throwing should write a report about Officer Tihny Johnson's unnecessary use of force (or whatever the correct term is), but i really doubt that will happen.

Seems to me like snitches get stitches no matter what side of the law you are on.

There's another clip where an elderly-ish lady is pushed over by an aussie cop, during a scuffle between protesters breaking through a line of cops, she's prone on the floor not going anywhere soon, but still two cops pause to stand over her deliberately spraying her in the face with loads of pepper spray, from about a foot away, they were just a pair of gleeful thugs in uniform not officers of the law.

 

[slotplayer]

So what ever happened to herd immunity? Don't hear it even mentioned in the news anymore.

 

[slotmaster]

Just got the 2nd dose even though not exactly 100% medically cleared, so pray for me.

 

[dionysus]

Just got the 2nd dose even though not exactly 100% medically cleared, so pray for me.

lol, got my 2; worsst was a bit of stiff arm
and Hell's Bells, aint like I dont suffer from that chronically

 

[geordiecolin]

We in the UK have been told that they have no plans to make the Covid passport mandatory yet the NHS website have just updated their site stating that by mid December they will be.

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[goatwack]

I'm not seeing where they've stated it's mandatory. I just read "...to demonstrate COVID status and for organisations to check it, if organisations choose to use it"

 

[geordiecolin]

I'm not seeing where they've stated it's mandatory. I just read "...to demonstrate COVID status and for organisations to check it, if organisations choose to use it"

This reads to me that it will be mandated in December

"Currently, businesses and event organisers in England that choose to use the NHS COVID Pass as a condition of entry can decide whether or not to allow in people who self-declare that they are unable to be vaccinated or tested.

Businesses can continue to accept people who self-declare that they are medically exempt until mid December 2021, from which point they have to use the NHS COVID Pass to gain entry in the same way that people who are fully vaccinated do. Your NHS COVID Pass will not show that you have a medical exemption.

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[Jono777]

Note to general public.

No need for any of this, just get out there and get jabbed, never mind the excuses,

Love from a ex anti-vaxxer anti conspiracy theorist

 

[goatwack]

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I've taken plenty before. Just not this one - Nicky Minaj said it makes your balls swell, so I bailed

Darn it! I've laid my cards on the table now! Please don't hurt me shit shit shit shit

 

[mack341]

This reads to me that it will be mandated in December

"Currently, businesses and event organisers in England that choose to use the NHS COVID Pass as a condition of entry can decide whether or not to allow in people who self-declare that they are unable to be vaccinated or tested.

Businesses can continue to accept people who self-declare that they are medically exempt until mid December 2021, from which point they have to use the NHS COVID Pass to gain entry in the same way that people who are fully vaccinated do. Your NHS COVID Pass will not show that you have a medical exemption.

You can find out more information including how to apply for the NHS COVID Pass to

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I think that is for the 'mass' events, hope it doesn't extend to all aspects of life. Some of the tales from where these passes have been rolled out across europe are disturbing. Within 18mths I could be being hunted like off 'logan's run' but for possessing an unvaccinated immune system

 

[goatwack]

I too thought Sajid David had categorically ruled them out, so I'm befuddled

 

[geordiecolin]

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I've taken plenty before. Just not this one - Nicky Minaj said it makes your balls swell, so I bailed

Darn it! I've laid my cards on the table now! Please don't hurt me shit shit shit shit

Agreed. But having my balls swell would be an added bonus

Even 3 Pfizer scientists where caught on camera admitting that natural immunity provided more protection that the vax.

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[geordiecolin]

I think that is for the 'mass' events, hope it doesn't extend to all aspects of life. Some of the tales from where these passes have been rolled out across europe are disturbing. Within 18mths I could be being hunted like off 'logan's run' but for possessing an unvaccinated immune system

It does not state only mass events and I am confident that come mid Dec we will see that.
The governments have planned ahead throughout this pandemic

 

[bamberfishcake]

Russell Brand sums up the control the Pharmas have over governments quite well in this video.

Pharmas run the world and want us doped up to the eyeballs on repeat prescriptions, all of us except themselves that is.....

 

[geordiecolin]

Russell Brand sums up the control the Pharmas have over governments quite well in this video.

Pharmas run the world and want us doped up to the eyeballs on repeat prescriptions, all of us except themselves that is.....

I think he neglected to include the media because they are all tied at the hips

 

[mack341]

It does not state only mass events and I am confident that come mid Dec we will see that.
The governments have planned ahead throughout this pandemic

There are some settings where the NHS COVID Pass should not be used as a condition of entry, in order to ensure access for all. This includes essential services and essential retailers which have been able to stay open throughout the pandemic.

It is confusing the way that advice document is written, but throughout it talks about 'events'. No doubt in my mind elements of our government would like these vax passes used everywhere, supermarkets, public transport etc...so practically you won't be able to decline the jab (except for a very narrow set of reasons).

Just comes down to public acceptance and political opposition, not enough of the former and too much of the latter could keep these ID vax passes from becoming a reality.

The bbc and media are already trying to argue the vax passes are good because they're reassuring etc..people need to think carefully whether they want to spend the rest of their life conditionally based on their current vaxed status.

 

[goatwack]

Russell Brand sums up the control the Pharmas have over governments quite well in this video.

Pharmas run the world and want us doped up to the eyeballs on repeat prescriptions, all of us except themselves that is.....

Ol' Russel does fancy himself as something of a guru now, his beard was out of control at one stage!

He does highlight some interesting alternative viewpoints, a far cry from his early Shakespearean TV stints where he'd talk about ballsacks etc

 

[geordiecolin]

There are some settings where the NHS COVID Pass should not be used as a condition of entry, in order to ensure access for all. This includes essential services and essential retailers which have been able to stay open throughout the pandemic.

It is confusing the way that advice document is written, but throughout it talks about 'events'. No doubt in my mind elements of our government would like these vax passes used everywhere, supermarkets, public transport etc...so practically you won't be able to decline the jab (except for a very narrow set of reasons).

Just comes down to public acceptance and political opposition, not enough of the former and too much of the latter could keep these ID vax passes from becoming a reality.

The bbc and media are already trying to argue the vax passes are good because they're reassuring etc..people need to think carefully whether they want to spend the rest of their life conditionally based on their current vaxed status.

"Events" over the autumn and winter will probably ensure that the government will be able to implement whatever it wants to. We will soon see if "events" match their forward thinking come mid December.

 

[geordiecolin]

Ol' Russel does fancy himself as something of a guru now, his beard was out of control at one stage!

He does highlight some interesting alternative viewpoints, a far cry from his early Shakespearean TV stints where he'd talk about ballsacks etc

He is one of those people who I can not quite form a proper opinion about

 

[Jono777]

Someone has spray painted in the last 24h "Say no to vaccines for kids" all across the front of one of the Dr's surgeries I visit in my line of work each day

As much as I agree, surely there is a better way of getting their point across ?

 

[bamberfishcake]

As much as I agree, surely there is a better way of getting their point across ?

Could it be that there is no other way to get their point across? Admittedly, targeting a doctors surgery is not the best idea, but try getting close to Downing St with a spray can.

Unfortunately, there is no way to get your point across because the democratic system is so defunct.

Hence, the frustration boils over locally, while the elite sleep safe and sound guarded by private security firms.

I know I sound like an anarchist, im really not and a peaceful man at heart, but I cant see any way of dethroning these people without rash action.

 

[slotmaster]

Someone has spray painted in the last 24h "Say no to vaccines for kids" all across the front of one of the Dr's surgeries I visit in my line of work each day

As much as I agree, surely there is a better way of getting their point across ?

I was in Wolverhampton yesterday on google earth, So I am pretty sure I was above your house. I am guessing you live in the neighborhood that is right by/on one of the golf courses, muah!

On topic, Saturday is my 2-week clearance for freedom to do stuff.

 

[mack341]

Someone has spray painted in the last 24h "Say no to vaccines for kids" all across the front of one of the Dr's surgeries I visit in my line of work each day

As much as I agree, surely there is a better way of getting their point across ?

Yep graffiti to most people is strongly linked to the lawless and brainless, so it will be an own goal and won't win neutrals over. Without any media or political support it is hard to mount a public campaign though.