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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

Jono777 said:
Side note and I don't mean this in a bad way anyone......

In a strange sort of way, it is "good" to finally read of some on here who are suffering with anxiety, glad I am not alone but at the same time would not wish it on anybody.

The reason I post this is because last few months mine has been awful, never though physical symptoms could arise from anxiety but boy how wrong was I.
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it's a 'dirty little secret' people dont like to air, because of the connotations associated with it
some people think, 'ok, millenial', 'ok, entitled prince/princess' etc etc

I've had it - genetically - since I was around gosh, pre-teens long before anyone assocaited pre-conceptions toward it,but before, by decades, anyone could diagnose it

Dorctors assumed I had epilepsy and seizures.
Mine are so bad, I simply, black out (if you follow the site, and my concussion, well, that's how I got it...blacked out, fell, cracked my skull
Always had it, will always have it; nothing will change it in my lifetime

I wouldnt wish bad, bad, panic attacks on anyone

Manageable? Mostly.
My friends know, if my eyes stare off, flail for arms, I'm going down; they know, grab me, im going 'boom'
It is what it is
When i was a kid, fell, brushed it off. Now, I worry about being at the top of a flight of stairs

Believe, I see BOTH sides
Using it as an excuse (gosh, I have anxiety) and the flip (yeah, wish I could, I just cant do anything to make it otherwise)

Ya, theere's my oversharing
 
Yeah, I never publicly like to say but I just chose to say it. I have suffered from it for as far back as I can remember and it has only gotten worse with age. I have been on numerous medication and not much has helped. As Dionysus said, I will have it for the rest of my life. I just have got no choice but to live with the anxiety.

Panic attacks yes I do get them, blackouts only a very few times. But the blackouts happened when I was having very bad panic attacks and I had pain all over my body for no reason and uncontrollable shakes that just resulted in me fainting to the floor. Luckily that happens rarely but still scary when it does, especially because I live alone.

I mean I know I know living alone with all these health issues and Anxiety on top just is not a good combination to have. It is like now I have neighbours who constantly knock on my door making sure I am still alive etc. It is that bad they are concerned for me all the time.

I also would not wish this upon anyone not even my worst enemies or people who troll me over the years online. As it is one of the worst conditions to suffer from. Seriously it can stop your life from going anywhere it really does affect every single aspect of your life. It controls every part of my life and I just have to let it. If I fight it, then that is when the panic attacks happen and they get really bad ones. But yeah. I also do not talk about it because people will not always be kind in their responses sometimes or they might think differently of you afterwards. But hey. I now opened that can of worms right haven't I. also speaking about it also does make my anxiety sky rocket too as I am typing this post right now. I am starting to shake.

this is the true real DreamRJ. So there ya go everyone. This might now give you an idea and insight into why I have been the way I have been in the past with things I have posted and stuff. It is not an excuse for my past behaviour what so ever either!

I am happy to have shared it with you all though :) Thanks
 
They well, and truly suck. And it is hearterning to see people share, because there, are, so, so, many 'stereotypes' associated with it
Sorry if anyone otherwise, but..I wasnt molested, i didnt experieince childhood trauma, I have loving, well-rounded, peachy, doting parents
It's simply, shit luck on the genetic draw.
I mean, it's been around forever, noone could simply understand nor diagnose it
Yes, sure, it's well over-trotted and thrown out. And far, far too many people, pull it out as an excuse

It's just what I have.
For those as want to chuck out 'excuses' - Nope, not bi-polar, nor schizophrenic, nor manic in any way. It's ....what I gots. All around, insanely, physically healthy, never get sick, or colds nor ill :)

Anxiety is bad. Panic attacks,feel, like, youre literally, (bad ones) like youre having a heart attack, and about to die, right there, on the spot. So, your body, deals with it, in the only way you know how to; sometimes, your brain simply, turns off (think 'shock') to cope

Sucks
But dont be ignorant and dismissive. It's real. And it's awful

I'm lucky. Maybe nothing in a year, maybe a few cases in a year.
 
I've had anxiety for 20 years, or I should say it was identified 20 years ago. I've probably had it for as long as I'm consciously alive but in a manageable state.

One day something happened, I don't really want to go into detail here, and it started getting worse. My first real panic attack I lost a day, I couldn't recall anything that happened that day. Some people told me what happened and that's what I know about it. Weird thing is after the panic attack I went about my day with those people and it was like nothing happened, yet I don't remember.

When it got worse and worse my GP referred me to a psychiatrist and I tried different anti-depression meds which made me lose over a year of my life. They didn't help with my anxiety. Some made me sleep 20hrs a day, others made me be awake 20hrs a day. In the end none of them really did much of anything. The only meds that help me are benzo's like xanax, sadly they only help temporarily and are addictive. Through the years I struggled with that fact, I didn't want to be addicted to pills to just do things other people "do". But I accepted it with help from my shrink and also have had different forms of therapy.

It remains a struggle. Making plans is a big no-no. It's hard to accept sometimes and I'm very lucky that my brother is my rock. Otherwise I'd be nowhere. Perhaps it just feels like that and I'd be somewhere but I don't know where.

The Corona topic is now officially the anxiety topic! :laugh:
 
Yeah, I'm sure there's merit and value in having it's own thread.
Like, I say, a dirty little secret; people dont enjoy being pre-judged by something they literally have 0 control over (think, diabetes) and those looking in, throw out ridiculous 'medical' advice
 
dionysus said:
Yeah, I'm sure there's merit and value in having it's own thread.
Like, I say, a dirty little secret; people dont enjoy being pre-judged by something they literally have 0 control over (think, diabetes) and those looking in, throw out ridiculous 'medical' advice
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Yeah I agree, I think it does deserve its own thread. When I made the first post I was thinking about actually putting it in a new thread. But I just decided to put it in this thread as it was also linked to Covid to a certain extent.
 
DreamRJ said:
Yeah I agree, I think it does deserve its own thread. When I made the first post I was thinking about actually putting it in a new thread. But I just decided to put it in this thread as it was also linked to Covid to a certain extent.
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Another Insider comes forward.



EXCLUSIVE! Karen Kingston, a former Pfizer employee and current analyst for the pharmaceutical and medical device industries, came forward with indisputable documentation that should be shared with the ENTIRE WORLD!

The inoculation being referred to as ‘COVID Vaccines’ is a poisonous death sentence, and nobody should subject themselves to the shots.

We have gone back and forth with fact-checkers and some independent researchers who have attempted to debunk the findings of Spanish Researchers called Laquinta Columna, originally broken here on the Stew Peters Show by Dr. Jane Ruby, that video revealing that Graphene Oxide, a toxic poison was found in the Pfizer vaccines. Those researchers later found that the same applied to Moderna and Astrazeneca is being tested as a result of our reporting of the truth here. USA Today, Lead Stories, all funded by the cabal were all over me all over Dr. Ruby and out-and-out calling us liars for reporting those findings to the world in a video that has soared well over a million views on Rumble. We have sought the input of many medical experts and world-renowned doctors who have all confirmed that report. On Twitter, you may have recently been following the hashtag PfizerLeak, we want to know what’s in them, if this was pre-planned, who’s behind all of it and what to believe, so today we’re going to get the confirmation we need."

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Pfizer Cov Vax Is 99% Graphene Says Scientists and This Is What Graphene Does to the Human Body, act as a solo trigger for most COVID symptoms
Graphene Oxide (GO) discoveries:
GO fibres are in plastic masks.
GO fibres are on PCR test swabs.
GO is in all Covid-19 vaccines.
GO creates thromboses.
GO causes blood clots.
GO disrupts the immune system.
GO can trigger a cytokine storm.
GO toxicity can instigate pneumonia.
GO creates a metallic taste in the mouth.
GO causes inflammation of the mucous membranes.
GO produces a loss in the sense of taste and smell.
GO is magnetic (especially at the injection site.)
GO blocks detoxification in the body by blocking glutathione.
GO may be activated by 5G frequencies.
GO was already included as an adjuvant in the flu shots in 2019.
GO passes thru the blood-brain barrier.

 
"On July 28, 2021, internet personality Stew Peters landed what he described as an “exclusive” scoop: a video interview with what he billed as Pfizer insider Karen Kingston who, Peters claimed, produced “indisputable documentation” that proves
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(Pfizer and Moderna) contain a “poison” known as graphene oxide.

The video went viral, despite the fact that Kingston produced no such documentation, and despite the reality that her tenure at Pfizer, according to her
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, involved marketing cardiovascular therapies to healthcare providers in Manhattan from 1996 to 1998 — well over a
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pharmaceutical companies had any interest in mRNA vaccines."
 
electronictonic said:
Another Insider comes forward.



EXCLUSIVE! Karen Kingston, a former Pfizer employee and current analyst for the pharmaceutical and medical device industries, came forward with indisputable documentation that should be shared with the ENTIRE WORLD!

The inoculation being referred to as ‘COVID Vaccines’ is a poisonous death sentence, and nobody should subject themselves to the shots.

We have gone back and forth with fact-checkers and some independent researchers who have attempted to debunk the findings of Spanish Researchers called Laquinta Columna, originally broken here on the Stew Peters Show by Dr. Jane Ruby, that video revealing that Graphene Oxide, a toxic poison was found in the Pfizer vaccines. Those researchers later found that the same applied to Moderna and Astrazeneca is being tested as a result of our reporting of the truth here. USA Today, Lead Stories, all funded by the cabal were all over me all over Dr. Ruby and out-and-out calling us liars for reporting those findings to the world in a video that has soared well over a million views on Rumble. We have sought the input of many medical experts and world-renowned doctors who have all confirmed that report. On Twitter, you may have recently been following the hashtag PfizerLeak, we want to know what’s in them, if this was pre-planned, who’s behind all of it and what to believe, so today we’re going to get the confirmation we need."

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Pfizer Cov Vax Is 99% Graphene Says Scientists and This Is What Graphene Does to the Human Body, act as a solo trigger for most COVID symptoms
Graphene Oxide (GO) discoveries:
GO fibres are in plastic masks.
GO fibres are on PCR test swabs.
GO is in all Covid-19 vaccines.
GO creates thromboses.
GO causes blood clots.
GO disrupts the immune system.
GO can trigger a cytokine storm.
GO toxicity can instigate pneumonia.
GO creates a metallic taste in the mouth.
GO causes inflammation of the mucous membranes.
GO produces a loss in the sense of taste and smell.
GO is magnetic (especially at the injection site.)
GO blocks detoxification in the body by blocking glutathione.
GO may be activated by 5G frequencies.
GO was already included as an adjuvant in the flu shots in 2019.
GO passes thru the blood-brain barrier.
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That is HORRIFIC!!! If true, the vax rollout must be stopped IMMEDIATELY!!!
 
Kroffe said:
"On July 28, 2021, internet personality Stew Peters landed what he described as an “exclusive” scoop: a video interview with what he billed as Pfizer insider Karen Kingston who, Peters claimed, produced “indisputable documentation” that proves
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(Pfizer and Moderna) contain a “poison” known as graphene oxide.

The video went viral, despite the fact that Kingston produced no such documentation, and despite the reality that her tenure at Pfizer, according to her
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, involved marketing cardiovascular therapies to healthcare providers in Manhattan from 1996 to 1998 — well over a
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pharmaceutical companies had any interest in mRNA vaccines."
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How do people like this get any airtime? He's an idiot, she's an idiot and you can bet they will have plenty of severely low IQ people who will believe this BS.
 
cncas2123 said:
How do people like this get any airtime? He's an idiot, she's an idiot and you can bet they will have plenty of severely low IQ people who will believe this BS.
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If its true that she worked 2 years in marketing for pfizer during the 90s, im not sure why she would be called an 'insider'
Probably has as much inside information as any random janitor that worked there during the 90s.

Video had it all tho, bill gates, 5g, magnetism etc.
All controlled by the evil cabal of course.
 
Kroffe said:
If its true that she worked 2 years in marketing for pfizer during the 90s, im not sure why she would be called an 'insider'
Probably has as much inside information as any random janitor that worked there during the 90s.

Video had it all tho, bill gates, 5g, magnetism etc.
All controlled by the evil cabal of course.
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And the big problem is there will be so many people who have been brought up on a diet of garbage US sci-fi who believe this verbatim.
And dealer pops his head in with more BS.... what an idiot.
 
A -
Magnet Basics
Specifically, they stick to ferromagnetic materials like iron and things that contain iron, such as steel. This includes everything from your car's steel body to your refrigerator door. They're also attracted to nickel and cobalt, and a few other rare-earth elements.

B -
graphene oxide is not a metal.

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“No. Receiving a COVID-19 vaccine
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, including at the site of vaccination which is usually your arm,” because they are all free of “metals such as iron, nickel, cobalt, lithium, and rare earth alloys, as well as any manufactured products such as microelectronics, electrodes, carbon nanotubes, and nanowire semiconductors” that can create an electromagnetic field, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in an update last week.

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Nice try Dio, Stew Peters wouldnt say the vaccines were made to control our memories&minds using 5g if it wasnt true.
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Also, wouldnt 'you become magnetic' be a selling point for the vaccines?
Especially for women since they dont get pockets on alot of their jeans. Just stick the keys on your arm and be on your way.
Neat.
 
Though I don't put a lot of belief in the vaxxes containing unlisted ingredients, such as this graphene oxide, it seems it is a substance that is being actively researched for use in vaccines:

Recent progress of graphene oxide as a potential vaccine carrier and adjuvant [2020]​

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Abstract​

Vaccine is one of the most effective strategies for preventing and controlling infectious diseases and some noninfectious diseases, especially cancers. Adjuvants and carriers have been appropriately added to the vaccine formulation to improve the immunogenicity of the antigen and induce long-lasting immunity. However, there is an urgent need to develop new all-purpose adjuvants because some adjuvants approved for human use have limited functionality. Graphene oxide (GO), widely employed for the delivery of biomolecules, excels in loading and delivering antigen and shows the potentiality of activating the immune system. However, GO aggregates in biological liquid and induces cell death, and it also exhibits poor biosolubility and biocompatibility. To address these limitations, various surface modification protocols have been employed to integrate aqueous compatible substances with GO to effectively improve its biocompatibility. More importantly, these modifications render functionalized-GO with superior properties as both carriers and adjuvants. Herein, the recent progress of physicochemical properties and surface modification strategies of GO for its application as both carriers and adjuvants is reviewed.


"....In the future, it is expected to be introduced into vaccine research to improve the efficacy of vaccines."
 
Kroffe said:
Also, wouldnt 'you become magnetic' be a selling point for the vaccines?
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*raises hand, beer comes from fridge*



mind you, my luck, probably all the kitchen knives too, sticky end first :p
 
Kroffe said:
Sticky end? Surely you mean 'stabby end'
Or do you also use your knives mostly for honey?

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lol, stabby, sticky, pointy. to-may-to, to-mah-to
though they are all pretty sticky and oily as I feed yard squirrels pb sammiches everyday
 
The (very vocal I might say) minority that doesn't want to be vaccinated goes through great lenghts to prove to others why they don't want to. As if they need reinforcements why they don't want to it.

My advice: just don't get vaccinated.

Most of the people that have been vaccinated aren't as obnoxious about it. Luckily, because that would be a shitload of noise.
 
sufferinsilence said:
The (very vocal I might say) minority that doesn't want to be vaccinated goes through great lenghts to prove to others why they don't want to. As if they need reinforcements why they don't want to it.

My advice: just don't get vaccinated.

Most of the people that have been vaccinated aren't as obnoxious about it. Luckily, because that would be a shitload of noise.
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It would be rather odd in the circumstances for no pro/anti vaccine discussions in the covid thread; the science and evidence 'for' the various covid vaxxes should be strong enough to cope with some minority held skepticism. If they aid the vulnerable and beat the risk/benefit for them great, but not everyone faces the same level of risk from covid. It's quite possible i am underestimating it as a threat to me, that'll be my mistake if so.

Some of the pro vax majority were quite vocal and combative regarding lockdowns, and when it comes to making shitloads of noise the msm outdo everyone.
 
mack341 said:
It would be rather odd in the circumstances for no pro/anti vaccine discussions in the covid thread; the science and evidence 'for' the various covid vaxxes should be strong enough to cope with some minority held skepticism. If they aid the vulnerable and beat the risk/benefit for them great, but not everyone faces the same level of risk from covid. It's quite possible i am underestimating it as a threat to me, that'll be my mistake if so.

Some of the pro vax majority were quite vocal and combative regarding lockdowns, and when it comes to making shitloads of noise the msm outdo everyone.
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Sure, I'll give you the MSM.

But have a look at the comments section on those MSM articles or on tweets from scientists advocating the vaccines. There will be some positive ones that are pro-vaccines but the majority will be anti-vaxxers or "sceptics" that are quoting unfounded bullshit, or at best "misquotes" spread by conspiracy theorists.

We've come to a point where the discussion is kinda moot. Nobody is going to change your mind because you've already made it up and try to back it up with articles you find that reinforce your point. I don't feel like I can change it by quoting scientists that reinforce my point or giving my personal opinion.
 
electronictonic said:
Another Insider comes forward.



EXCLUSIVE! Karen Kingston, a former Pfizer employee and current analyst for the pharmaceutical and medical device industries, came forward with indisputable documentation that should be shared with the ENTIRE WORLD!

The inoculation being referred to as ‘COVID Vaccines’ is a poisonous death sentence, and nobody should subject themselves to the shots.

We have gone back and forth with fact-checkers and some independent researchers who have attempted to debunk the findings of Spanish Researchers called Laquinta Columna, originally broken here on the Stew Peters Show by Dr. Jane Ruby, that video revealing that Graphene Oxide, a toxic poison was found in the Pfizer vaccines. Those researchers later found that the same applied to Moderna and Astrazeneca is being tested as a result of our reporting of the truth here. USA Today, Lead Stories, all funded by the cabal were all over me all over Dr. Ruby and out-and-out calling us liars for reporting those findings to the world in a video that has soared well over a million views on Rumble. We have sought the input of many medical experts and world-renowned doctors who have all confirmed that report. On Twitter, you may have recently been following the hashtag PfizerLeak, we want to know what’s in them, if this was pre-planned, who’s behind all of it and what to believe, so today we’re going to get the confirmation we need."

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Pfizer Cov Vax Is 99% Graphene Says Scientists and This Is What Graphene Does to the Human Body, act as a solo trigger for most COVID symptoms
Graphene Oxide (GO) discoveries:
GO fibres are in plastic masks.
GO fibres are on PCR test swabs.
GO is in all Covid-19 vaccines.
GO creates thromboses.
GO causes blood clots.
GO disrupts the immune system.
GO can trigger a cytokine storm.
GO toxicity can instigate pneumonia.
GO creates a metallic taste in the mouth.
GO causes inflammation of the mucous membranes.
GO produces a loss in the sense of taste and smell.
GO is magnetic (especially at the injection site.)
GO blocks detoxification in the body by blocking glutathione.
GO may be activated by 5G frequencies.
GO was already included as an adjuvant in the flu shots in 2019.
GO passes thru the blood-brain barrier.
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Excuse me, dont quote me with spam like this. I was talking serious and this was not very good to be honest!
 
sufferinsilence said:
Sure, I'll give you the MSM.

But have a look at the comments section on those MSM articles or on tweets from scientists advocating the vaccines. There will be some positive ones that are pro-vaccines but the majority will be anti-vaxxers or "sceptics" that are quoting unfounded bullshit, or at best "misquotes" spread by conspiracy theorists.

We've come to a point where the discussion is kinda moot. Nobody is going to change your mind because you've already made it up and try to back it up with articles you find that reinforce your point. I don't feel like I can change it by quoting scientists that reinforce my point or giving my personal opinion.
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But the vaccine situation is a very much live issue still, probably it doesn't feel that way if you've had the shots, and i can see why ongoing negative posts would be annoying.
 
mack341 said:
But the vaccine situation is a very much live issue still, probably it doesn't feel that way if you've had the shots, and i can see why ongoing negative posts would be annoying.
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It doesn't feel that way not only because I had the shots but also because if you look at the stats in all developed countries you can see it's a minority that is keeping it alive.

You, or anyone else, can make negative posts towards the vaccines or anything else regarding covid because after all it's a forum. Most of the negative stuff that's being posted is debunked over and over so it's not really annoying perse. Spreading misinformation during a pandemic isn't a new thing, it's just the first time there's a pandemic during times where spreading it is very efficient because of the internet.

Like I said we're at a point that it feels like either side is just shouting into the void because those that wanted to be vaxxed have done so and those that don't aren't and won't.
 
sufferinsilence said:
It doesn't feel that way not only because I had the shots but also because if you look at the stats in all developed countries you can see it's a minority that is keeping it alive.

You, or anyone else, can make negative posts towards the vaccines or anything else regarding covid because after all it's a forum. Most of the negative stuff that's being posted is debunked over and over so it's not really annoying perse. Spreading misinformation during a pandemic isn't a new thing, it's just the first time there's a pandemic during times where spreading it is very efficient because of the internet.

Like I said we're at a point that it feels like either side is just shouting into the void because those that wanted to be vaxxed have done so and those that don't aren't and won't.
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The problem/reality is big pharma lie and cheat routinely, ditto the msm and politicians knowingly telling porkies or pushing a narrative onto the public

It's a hard sell to me that notable docs and scientists are all deliberately pushing information they know to be false and scientifically misleading, doesn't mean they're not wrong or infallible. Science is not cosy consensus, the vaccines lack long term safety data, and the cause of severe side effects like the rare brain clots is not yet understood. That is truthful in my book.
 
mack341 said:
The problem/reality is big pharma lie and cheat routinely, ditto the msm and politicians knowingly telling porkies or pushing a narrative onto the public

It's a hard sell to me that notable docs and scientists are all deliberately pushing information they know to be false and scientifically misleading, doesn't mean they're not wrong or infallible. Science is not cosy consensus, the vaccines lack long term safety data, and the cause of severe side effects like the rare brain clots is not yet understood. That is truthful in my book.
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But the scientists, politicians or (political) commentators that you quote have never lied? They're not pushing their narrative onto the public?

Have you looked into the possible severe side effects of contracting covid?

Why are there scientists pushing false information about certain drugs whereby they falsify the results and blatantly plagiarise parts of their "research"?

Science is indeed not just consensus, there's alot of discussion going on all the time and luckily so because without we'd still be in the dark ages. Glad we agree on something and a good time to end the debate for tonight from my side :laugh:
 
Yes, we are in lockdown in NSW Australia. Have to stay at home unless its for essentials. People are being fined a $1000 for not wearing a mask or travelling to places outside their local government area.

Yesterday 262 new cases were recorded in NSW not much compared to other countries but still strict rules apply.

I had my second shot of the Pfizer which I had to have because I work in healthcare. No side effects at all thank goodness lol

Hope everyone stays safe :)
 
mack341 said:
A case in point, this german pathologist determined that 30-40% of 40 deaths two weeks after vaccination he autopsied, died as a result of having the vaccine, which would mean the fatality rate is currently underestimated. Pfizer and the other firms should be funding more research into the safety profile, that would be ethical.

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I'm sorry but "media blackout" is just bullshit. SWR is one of the public channels in Germany.
 
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I'm sorry but "media blackout" is just bullshit. SWR is one of the public channels in Germany.
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Well it hasn't made the uk msm or US, searching his name only brought up a few german language results, however the 'blackout' point made by that tweet wasn't why I posted it, the doc is asking for more autopsies. He looks to me like a credible person, notable, and it quotes him that he is fully vaccinated against covid himself iirc, so is he lying and has he got an agenda beyond determining causes of death, his job?

sufferinsilence said:
But the scientists, politicians or (political) commentators that you quote have never lied? They're not pushing their narrative onto the public?
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Its always 'expert' 'credible' 'notable' 'outstanding in their field' (are they scarecrows?)

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It kind of make it sound like the hundreds, in some cases thousands of doctors&scientists working in the exact same field with the exact same (and in many cases, waaaay better) credentials are somehow not to be trusted, but im supposed to trust this one brave notable expert that goes against all other experts.. why?
How does that make sense? if the people have thw same education and job, it would make sense to trust the majority, no?
Why should i go with the guy showing up on Stew Peters show (what a joke btw) saying the exact opposite of the majority?

Im not saying there are no concerns surround the vaccines, but good luck getting answers to them when people are busy believing fantasies about becoming magnetic, 5g controlling people etc.
Makes these 'experts' sound even less credible than they were in the first place.
 
Kroffe said:
Its always 'expert' 'credible' 'notable' 'outstanding in their field' (are they scarecrows?)

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It kind of make it sound like the hundreds, in some cases thousands of doctors&scientists working in the exact same field with the exact same (and in many cases, waaaay better) credentials are somehow not to be trusted, but im supposed to trust this one brave notable expert that goes against all other experts.. why?

Im not saying there are no concerns surround the vaccines, but good luck getting answers to them when people are busy believing fantasies about becoming magnetic, 5g controlling people etc.
Makes these 'experts' sound even less credible than they were in the first place.
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With science related matters it's often the work of an individual that reveals something new to the existing consensus position. You can trust who you like but it is more of a question, he's raised a concern will and should the authorities ignore him because he's a lone voice, they know better the fatality rate is accurate etc..
 
mack341 said:
With science related matters it's often the work of an individual that reveals something new to the existing consensus position. You can trust who you like but it is more of a question, he's raised a concern will and should the authorities ignore him because he's a lone voice, they know better the fatality rate is accurate etc..
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Are they ignoring him tho, or is that the narrative being pushed onto anti-vaxxers?
Tell them they are being lied to, and the big evil cabal is trying to hide the truth, sound familiar?
Was the story not picked up by public channels in Germany, how does that count as ignoring?
How much exposure should a story like that get before it has been confirmed to be true?
Is it sensible to air what could be crazy misinformation all over the world before its even confirmed if its true, during a pandemic where people are already coming up with batshit insane reasons not to get vaccinated.

Misinformation and false stories getting exposure and traction is the reason people think the vaccine will control their mind using 5g and that they will become magnetic.
Really weird, because only the people that 'want to believe' seem to see and feel this magnetism, does not work if you dont believe.
They should really put that ability to use.

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Kroffe said:
Are they ignoring him tho, or is that the narrative being pushed onto anti-vaxxers?
Tell them they are being lied to, and the big evil cabal is trying to hide the truth, sound familiar?
Was the story not picked up by public channels in Germany, how does that count as ignoring?
How much exposure should a story like that get before it has been confirmed to be true?
Is it sensible to air what could be crazy misinformation all over the world before its even confirmed if its true, during a pandemic where people are already coming up with batshit insane reasons not to get vaccinated.

Misinformation and false stories getting exposure and traction is the reason people think the vaccine will control their mind using 5g and that they will become magnetic.
Really weird, because only the people that 'want to believe' seem to see and feel this magnetism, does not work if you dont believe.
They should really put that ability to use.

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As I understand from the translations he is asking for more autopsies to take place to see if his findings are replicated, if the authorities decide not to I'd say that was ignoring his research findings, given his level of expertise i would find it odd [political?] that his findings were not followed up on. Doesn't seem very 'scientific' to me.

Edit. The more I think about it, while we're in an experimental phase, with safety data to be continuously acquired, and in the midst of a mass rollout, i'd expect a higher level of autopsies as standard procedure. In which case he wouldn't presumably need to be requesting more??
 
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As I understand from the translations he is asking for more autopsies to take place to see if his findings are replicated, if the authorities decide not to I'd say that was ignoring his research findings, given his level of expertise i would find it odd [political?] that his findings were not followed up on. Doesn't seem very 'scientific' to me.

Edit. The more I think about it, while we're in an experimental phase, with safety data to be continuously acquired, and in the midst of a mass rollout, i'd expect a higher level of autopsies as standard procedure. In which case he wouldn't presumably need to be requesting more??
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But are they not following up on it?
I mean it does not match at all how complications have been treated so far.
Even things that were like 1-2 patients in 100k (brain thrombosis i think it was) were brought up as complications and investigated, so why would they avoid/try to hide these autopsies if they think the risk is real?
I mean several countries halted the rollout of vaccines for just a couple cases of clots, etc etc.
So are complications being hidden/ignored?

That complications (or 'THE TRUTH' as its being called) are being ignored/hidden is imo a misleading narrative pushed by anti-vaxxers.
 
Kroffe said:
But are they not following up on it?
I mean it does not match at all how complications have been treated so far.
Even things that were like 1-2 patients in 100k (brain thrombosis i think it was) were brought up as complications and investigated, so why would they avoid/try to hide these autopsies if they think the risk is real?
I mean several countries halted the rollout of vaccines for just a couple cases of clots, etc etc.
So are complications being hidden/ignored?

That complications (or 'THE TRUTH' as its being called) are being ignored/hidden is imo a misleading narrative pushed by anti-vaxxers.
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In the uk the deaths reported on the yellow card system is around 1200, but that's 'possibly related' afaik, without autopsies it would be difficult to know the accurate figure. That's the issue. They still haven't got to the bottom of the clots, my relatives will soon be having a booster, call me selfish but i'd rather the science/govt was a bit more looking into risks, they missed the clots in the trials and more people have died as a result, healthy youngish people.
 
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In the uk the deaths reported on the yellow card system is around 1200, but that's 'possibly related' afaik, without autopsies it would be difficult to know the accurate figure. That's the issue. They still haven't got to the bottom of the clots, my relatives will soon be having a booster, call me selfish but i'd rather the science/govt was a bit more looking into risks, they missed the clots in the trials and more people have died as a result, healthy youngish people.
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Is that like in the US where anyone can make a report or is it reports by doctors?
If its anyone, id expect that 1200 to be quite inflated given that you will have people believing in the 5g mindcontrol making reports.

But are the yellow card reports being ignored?
Seems weird to set up a system where people can report side effects if they were just going to ignore it.
 
Kroffe said:
Is that like in the US where anyone can make a report or is it reports by doctors?
If its anyone, id expect that 1200 to be quite inflated given that you will have people believing in the 5g mindcontrol making reports.

But are the yellow card reports being ignored?
Seems weird to set up a system where people can report side effects if they were just going to ignore it.
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I think you may be missing the point. We're talking about fatalities here, not mindcontrol 5g or magnetic limbs. Brush it all aside as 'quite inflated' if you wish, but imo we need more looking into it so that it is not left as 'possibly related'.
 
mack341 said:
I think you may be missing the point. We're talking about fatalities here, not mindcontrol 5g or magnetic limbs. Brush it all aside as 'quite inflated' if you wish, but imo we need more looking into it so that it is not left as 'possibly related'.
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My point was that even if the death was from being hit by a car, someone believing the vaccine makes you magnetic might mark it down as a side effect of the vaccine, because after all, it was the magnetism that made him get hit by the car in the first place etc.

Even if all 1200 cases turn out to be 100% caused by the vaccines (highly doubt its even close to 1200) , thats 0.003% of the total (counting 40m vaccinated)
It should obviously be looked into, but is it something worth worrying over?
You probably have a higher chance slipping in the bathtub, getting hit by random drunk driver, lightning etc and dying that way, but i doubt you go around and worry about things like that.
 
Hers's the full data for adverse events if anyone is interested, and so far in the UK almost 38.000.000 have had both doses of the vaccine.

Its also good to have a bit of context around all this - potentially a worst case scenario of 1200 deaths, though not all of these will be connected to the vaccine. Each year in the UK around 200 people die from taking paracetamol.
To me there can be no comparison between the potential deaths caused by the various vaccines and the over 120,000 deaths caused so far in the UK by Covid. How many deaths will the vaccine prevent?

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Kroffe said:
My point was that even if the death was from being hit by a car, someone believing the vaccine makes you magnetic might mark it down as a side effect of the vaccine, because after all, it was the magnetism that made him get hit by the car in the first place etc.

Even if all 1200 cases turn out to be 100% caused by the vaccines (highly doubt its even close to 1200) , thats 0.003% of the total (counting 40m vaccinated)
It should obviously be looked into, but is it something worth worrying over?
You probably have a higher chance slipping in the bathtub, getting hit by random drunk driver, lightning etc and dying that way, but i doubt you go around and worry about things like that.
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I think the public have a right to know or expect the authorities to do all they can to assess linked fatalities for an experimental vaccine, I am not convinced such efforts are being made. [here in the uk and elsewhere; norway was the first to ring alarm bells over the clots so not all countries take the same approach]
 
mack341 said:
I think the public have a right to know or expect the authorities to do all they can to assess linked fatalities for an experimental vaccine, I am not convinced such efforts are being made. [here in the uk and elsewhere; norway was the first to ring alarm bells over the clots so not all countries take the same approach]
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I cant really say anything about how much or little of an effort is being made to look into it.
I do have more faith than you in my government.
Not because i think they are some all loving good guys, but because someone will get blamed if things are not done properly, and nobody wants to be that guy/that department.

We are probably still a couple years away from learning/knowing which countries took the best approach/handled things best.
I know Dealer likes to say Sweden did everything right, but compared to our neighbours (finland,denmark, norway) it sure does not look like it.
 

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