Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[dave1888]

Do more research guys those are faked emails.

 

[mack341]

Do more research guys those are faked emails.

iirc The email berensen posted is from the fauci freedom of info release of his messages, though with redactions, what makes you sense it's fake ? I think it is likely the virus 'escaped' from the wuhan lab working on coronaviruses from bats. I agree about the other email that has been debunked as a message someone posted to fauci, using an explanation that was posted in 2005.

Edit: But saying that sars1 is 80% the same so who knows it could be relevant, not sure the procedure described is scientifically valid or possible, perhaps I do need to do more research but then it could send me mad!

 

[Steviedoo]

I had the pfizer around 3 weeks ago and immediately a benign cyst went septic and i had it removed last week. I’m absolutely terrified what this vaccine has done to me! And wish I’d stuck to my guns and said no thank you!

the vaccine made a cyst you have go septic? Did the doctor confirm that this is what caused it to go septic?

 

[mack341]

I now have a month of misery hoping this heals and getting it cleaned and dressed every single day!

The main problem is if what antivaxxers are claiming is true, they’ve cried wolf too much in the past and now nobody gives them any credibility. It’s absolutely horrific if people are being killed from a vaccine! And the part that really pisses me off is drs should be doing full medical checks first! If you have something underlying its underlying and you don’t know it. That’s literally what underlying means!

Dave are there any vits you could take to aid the healing process, i'm thinking vit C and zinc. [ possibly vit k also ]

I had a pretty bad problem on my leg, wasn't a cyst but was touch and go whether the skin layer would heal properly, several times a day i smothered it in aloe vera gel and it did seem to help but took abt a month or more for the skin to repair

 

[dave1888]

the vaccine made a cyst you have go septic? Did the doctor confirm that this is what caused it to go septic?

Doctor completely dismissed any association with my jag...

 

[dave1888]

Dave are there any vits you could take to aid the healing process, i'm thinking vit C and zinc. [ possibly vit k also ]

I had a pretty bad problem on my leg, wasn't a cyst but was touch and go whether the skin layer would heal properly, several times a day i smothered it in aloe vera gel and it did seem to help but took abt a month or more for the skin to repair

They’re going to put me back on antibiotics and I’ve been eating as healthily as I can. Minimal dairy products and sugar. I’ll look into vitamins but i eat a lot of vegetables. Carrots, celery, cabbage, lettuce cucumber, peppers, tomatoes etc. I’ve also drank zero alcohol since the whole thing started.

 

[dave1888]

Only drinking water. And maybe every 2nd-3rd day one black decaf. But know caffeine can make you susceptible to illness meaning very strictly only every so often.

 

[mack341]

They’re going to put me back on antibiotics and I’ve been eating as healthily as I can. Minimal dairy products and sugar. I’ll look into vitamins but i eat a lot of vegetables. Carrots, celery, cabbage, lettuce cucumber, peppers, tomatoes etc. I’ve also drank zero alcohol since the whole thing started.

I'm not sure how good manufactured vits are, better from a food source. I did just remember though vit D can also be a factor, it seems to have an effect on everything, just did a quick search and the top google reply was:

"When the skin is injured, a higher amount of vitamin D intake will enhance healing and better outcomes. Additionally, vitamin D promotes the creation of cathelicidin, an antimicrobial peptide the immune system uses to fight off wound infections"

 

[mack341]

 

[dave1888]

Sadly I think what needs to happen before people finally take notice is the high profile young death of someone vaccinated who is a completely healthy individual.

It’s the only way people might finally realise what’s going on because its not just ordinary folks who’ve had it, numerous celebrities have too. They can experience dangerous side effects just like we can…if this happens then the game is up.

 

[mack341]

Very good letter from an nhs gp to her mp graham brady

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This ethical problem is particularly pertinent to the arguments given for rolling the program out to children, but is also relevant to the majority of healthy working-age adults. The mortality risk from COVID-19 in this cohort is lower than that for seasonal influenza. People are being persuaded to have these vaccines to protect society at large. Why is nobody in Government paying attention to the significant morbidity and mortality being reported on the Yellow Card system in relation to the administration of the vaccines? Young healthy people are being exposed to risks, both known and unknown, in taking these vaccines yet have little to gain in terms of personal benefit. ​

 

[Steviedoo]

Very good letter from an nhs gp to her mp graham brady

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This ethical problem is particularly pertinent to the arguments given for rolling the program out to children, but is also relevant to the majority of healthy working-age adults. The mortality risk from COVID-19 in this cohort is lower than that for seasonal influenza. People are being persuaded to have these vaccines to protect society at large. Why is nobody in Government paying attention to the significant morbidity and mortality being reported on the Yellow Card system in relation to the administration of the vaccines? Young healthy people are being exposed to risks, both known and unknown, in taking these vaccines yet have little to gain in terms of personal benefit. ​

So the vaccine is bad…

 

[mack341]

I am sceptical how 'good' in the broadest sense they are, It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of research / investment was going on to make better vaccines despite the govt and media claiming the current ones are the best things since sliced bread.

Ideally a vaccine should replicate natural immunity without the risks from having the actual infection, those who survived sars1 still have immunity today, 18 years afaik, yet there is talk of 6 month boosters for these vaxxes.

 

[Steviedoo]

I am sceptical how 'good' in the broadest sense they are, It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of research / investment was going on to make better vaccines despite the govt and media claiming the current ones are the best things since sliced bread.

Ideally a vaccine should replicate natural immunity without the risks from having the actual infection, those who survived sars1 still have immunity today, 18 years afaik, yet there is talk of 6 month boosters for these vaxxes.

you know what Mack….every single government in the world screwed this up….and god knows what’s in store for the future….I’m discouraged…we are being pulled in all sorts of directions….I’m tired.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I am sceptical how 'good' in the broadest sense they are, It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of research / investment was going on to make better vaccines despite the govt and media claiming the current ones are the best things since sliced bread.

Ideally a vaccine should replicate natural immunity without the risks from having the actual infection, those who survived sars1 still have immunity today, 18 years afaik, yet there is talk of 6 month boosters for these vaxxes.

I'm willing to get the first vaccination, I'm halfway there now, but I don't know if I'm willing to do this yearly or whenever they think booster shots are necessary.
We're vaccinating en masse right now to protect ourselves for next autumn and winter yet some virologists are already saying we should probably impose some kinda measures again by then. Seems weird to me to impose them before we even "tested" our current strategy is working. At some point we have to just let go and see what gives. If it turns out these vaccines aren't helping then we're in trouble. If it turns out those that got vaccinated are safe all seems fine to me, the ones that didn't get it most likely did so by choice and aren't fans of measures anyway.

 

[dave1888]

Dave are there any vits you could take to aid the healing process, i'm thinking vit C and zinc. [ possibly vit k also ]

I had a pretty bad problem on my leg, wasn't a cyst but was touch and go whether the skin layer would heal properly, several times a day i smothered it in aloe vera gel and it did seem to help but took abt a month or more for the skin to repair

Progress update nurse says it’s healing very quickly. Much faster than she’d anticipated could be healed within the week week and a half. I’ve been drinking loads of water and getting vitamin d (safely) hopefully that’s what’s working

 

[electronictonic]

I now have a month of misery hoping this heals and getting it cleaned and dressed every single day!

The main problem is if what antivaxxers are claiming is true, they’ve cried wolf too much in the past and now nobody gives them any credibility. It’s absolutely horrific if people are being killed from a vaccine! And the part that really pisses me off is drs should be doing full medical checks first! If you have something underlying its underlying and you don’t know it. That’s literally what underlying means!

The best thing you can do is lather the affected area in raw honey, manuka or another high grade honey, but it must be raw, not the shite from the supermarket that has been heated and all the goodness taken out of it, I used some on a wound a few years ago the brand was called
Y.S Eco Bee Farms got if off ebay, should find some on there.

Numerous scientific studies have been conducted to observe the wound healing properties honey can possess. Researchers from the University of Auckland, New Zealand, have discovered how honey was able to effectively reduce the healing times of burn wounds. Using data from

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dealing with 2,554 patients with untreated wounds, the doctors were able to prove that honey helped the wounds heal quicker than normal gauze and film dressings that commonly used to treat burns.
Another study published in the International Journal of Lower Extremity Wounds involved researchers discovering a wide variety of treatment qualities found in honey that are almost unparalleled to other forms of treatment. After conducting

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who were subjected with honey as a wound dressing, the following properties were found:

• Infections were not only cleared, but wounds were protected from spreading bacteria
• Honey was able to control and eliminate strong odors from wounds
• Permanent scarring was dramatically reduced
• Honey promoted anti-inflammatory activity

These are just a few examples of the healing wonders of honey. For more information or how to successfully use honey as a remedy for wound treatment, speak to your clinician.

 

[Kroffe]

I agree (me and tonic almost always agree on things)

Honey has anti-oxidant, anti-bacterial and anti-inflammatory properties.
Also it tastes great, and medicine usually doesnt taste very good.
Honey 1 - Medicine 0

 

[mack341]

Why do the bbc insist on being stupid, had another word in mind but it's offensive apparently, 'calls for hancock to quit for kissing his colleague' is their front headline today, come on this is bs reframing.

 

[shadow123]

Always thought he was slimy and not to be trusted, got to feel sorry for his wife,surely Boris cant support hkm like he did Cummins.
The hypocrisy is outstanding

 

[mack341]

on matters marital bojo will no doubt feel he has to be very understanding, but it is simple if matt has been pumping his aide during worktime he has to go, and that's besides my views on his covid performance. The nhs is too important in people's daily lives to have a jokey chancer and partridge impersonator making the decisions.

Edit: Was watching the footie and missed the news he's already walked!

 

[mack341]

Oh what a surprise bojo has parachuted in another 'yes' man already, can't we have someone fresh for once, all they can say again, if you missed the last time he was a minister, is 'the son of a bus driver' who frankly gives a t***

According to the sunday times, savid is a close pal of carrie johnson, oh well of course he must get the job then, that's far more important than any expertise in health.

 

[mack341]

The last point rings very true, we seem to be in the next phase, waiting for normality to resume but the govt/powerful have other ideas. It is dystopian to remove rights and freedoms in order to protect the vaccinated, otherwise the vaccine doesn't work very well, it can't be both, effective but you mustn't come into contact with someone unvaccinated.

 

[Steviedoo]

The last point rings very true, we seem to be in the next phase, waiting for normality to resume but the govt/powerful have other ideas. It is dystopian to remove rights and freedoms in order to protect the vaccinated, otherwise the vaccine doesn't work very well, it can't be both, effective but you mustn't come into contact with someone unvaccinated.

I’m behind in my news. Is the UK not doing well again?

 

[colinsunderland]

The last point rings very true, we seem to be in the next phase, waiting for normality to resume but the govt/powerful have other ideas. It is dystopian to remove rights and freedoms in order to protect the vaccinated, otherwise the vaccine doesn't work very well, it can't be both, effective but you mustn't come into contact with someone unvaccinated.

Do you have some context to go with that? I've been pretty busy the last week and not been keeping up with news properly, but what is the last point talking about?
The fact he's questioning if the vaccine works makes me question anything else in the tweet, as clearly it is working.

 

[mack341]

Do you have some context to go with that? I've been pretty busy the last week and not been keeping up with news properly, but what is the last point talking about?
The fact he's questioning if the vaccine works makes me question anything else in the tweet, as clearly it is working.

There was another massive protest march at the weekend just gone, from all backgrounds and across the political spectrum. Do you believe life will return to normal on july 19th and the emergency powers taken off ? [ my memory has returned -revoked ]

Nb the state broadcaster also had a news blackout on it again, 1 mention in an article about other protests like extinction that also took place on saturday, sorry but that is not normal or how news should operate in a democracy.

 

[colinsunderland]

There was another massive protest march at the weekend just gone, from all backgrounds and across the political spectrum. Do you believe life will return to normal on july 19th and the emergency powers taken off ?

Nb the state broadcaster also had a news blackout on it again, 1 mention in an article about other protests like extinction that also took place on saturday, sorry but that is not normal or how news should operate in a democracy.

I don't know, we are three weeks away, I think if the numbers stay as they are at the moment then most of normality will return though, yes.
But that doesn't give any context as to what he was talking about , he doesn't mention any of those things in his tweet?
The vaccine is clearly working, case numbers are up a lot, which is to be expected as the vaccine has never claimed to prevent you from catching it, the deaths and hospitalisations aren't increasing anywhere close to what they have in previous rises in cases like this, which is what the vaccine is said to prevent. Also, and I can't see any official figures, but numerous reports have implied that most those in hospital or dying either haven't had the vaccine or aren't past the 21st day after the second one. I genuinely can't see how anyone can imply they aren't working as intended.

 

[Kroffe]

I can only assume this means some of them did have very nice messages.
Neat.

 

[mack341]

The tennis balls stunt was newsworthy on it's own, what with wimbledon at this time of year. It made a point, and they couldn't say it was dangerous.

 

[mack341]

I don't know, we are three weeks away, I think if the numbers stay as they are at the moment then most of normality will return though, yes.
But that doesn't give any context as to what he was talking about , he doesn't mention any of those things in his tweet?
The vaccine is clearly working, case numbers are up a lot, which is to be expected as the vaccine has never claimed to prevent you from catching it, the deaths and hospitalisations aren't increasing anywhere close to what they have in previous rises in cases like this, which is what the vaccine is said to prevent. Also, and I can't see any official figures, but numerous reports have implied that most those in hospital or dying either haven't had the vaccine or aren't past the 21st day after the second one. I genuinely can't see how anyone can imply they aren't working as intended.

I think because of a few things on the last point, how were they sold to us last year amidst the deep lockdown, the way out and for the vulnerable in the main, now it's children and sectors mandating it on the fit and healthy.

The messaging is still based on keeping the fear level up, my older relatives are double dosed but unlikely to want to remove their masks anytime soon.

News broadcasters not covering the protests means censorship and news manipulation on a nk type level, the same as removing from all future books,, the only public record will be social media and small independents. Certainly broadcast television news will not be much of a source to look back to.

 

[colinsunderland]

I think because of a few things on the last point, how were they sold to us last year amidst the deep lockdown, the way out and for the vulnerable in the main, now it's children and sectors mandating it on the fit and healthy.

The messaging is still based on keeping the fear level up, my older relatives are double dosed but unlikely to want to remove their masks anytime soon.

News broadcasters not covering the protests means censorship and news manipulation on a nk type level, the same as removing from all future books,, the only public record will be social media and small independents. Certainly broadcast television news will not be much of a source to look back to.

is this the one that had no media coverage?

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[mack341]

is this the one that had no media coverage?

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Yes that was the entire bbc coverage I referred to, a few lines of text online in an article abt other protests, compare to the coverage they have given other protests previously, this is a news coverage service from the nations state broadcaster which is agenda driven rather than a 'neutral' news reporter. Instead they see their role as deciding what the broader public should and should not know about.

The guardian online is not really the go to news provider to the man in the street, but prob the mail covered it too online, but not in the printed edition afaik. The public record of newsworthy events, because everyone has a tv, are the bbc and itv flagship news programmes and they adopted a blackout policy, if they broadcast actual footage of something to the nation, like a mass protest about govt policy, it then happened, whereas without that the govt and lawmakers can pretend it didn't, don't have to publicly acknowledge it, discuss or answer about it.

 

[mack341]

On the vaccine there are lots of individual horror stories which i see/read but don't post, so when i hear it now being pushed on children, and mandated elsewhere it's concerning, free choice and consent must be preserved otherwise where are we heading.

 

[cncas2123]

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[dionysus]

1st jab here - no ill effects but for a stiff arm the next day, and well, to be expected as they jammed it into the muscle
An itty bitty bruise, but I bruise at a sneeze, soooo
(Pfizer here)
Next due in 28 days

 

[sufferinsilence]

1st jab here - no ill effects but for a stiff arm the next day, and well, to be expected as they jammed it into the muscle
An itty bitty bruise, but I bruise at a sneeze, soooo
(Pfizer here)
Next due in 28 days

Same here on the first, only a slightly sore muscle in the injection area. My second jab is due on the 20th.

 

[mack341]

Children are incapable of informed consent, how many youngsters need to die or be badly injured before a rational approach to risks and benefit is taken.

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Clynick's funeral was held just three days after a CDC advisory committee reported a "likely association" between the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines and risk of myocarditis—inflammation of the heart—in young adolescents.
"Clinical presentation of myocarditis cases following vaccination has been distinct, occurring most often within one week after dose two, with chest pain as the most common presentation," the advisory committee's chair, Dr. Grace Lee, said.

 

[mack341]

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[mack341]

Now heineken feels the need to give the unvaccinated medical advice

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[TheAddict]

If everyone there is forced to drink that fizzy piss, why on earth would I want to join em

 

[mack341]

There's been a few slips of the tongue, a classic was the aussie politician using the actual phrase 'new world order'







He quickly corrects himself but the subconscious never lies.

 

[Bunbu]

There's been a few slips of the tongue, a classic was the aussie politician using the actual phrase 'new world order'

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[Kroffe]

Now heineken feels the need to give the unvaccinated medical advice

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People with no business giving out medical advice doing it anyway is not as uncommon as you might think.
In fact, i found a thread full of it right here on this forum.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/corona-virus-covid-19-discussion.93796/

 

[interlog]

@Bunbu Perhaps science has moved on.... we are no longer in the dark ages

 

[mack341]

People with no business giving out medical advice doing it anyway is not as uncommon as you might think.
In fact, i found a thread full of it right here on this forum.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/corona-virus-covid-19-discussion.93796/

That's called a forum discussion, slightly different to heineken making an advert telling people to get jabbed. It is tricky though to post anything regarding one of the vax's, adults have to make their own minds up, weigh up any risks and the benefits, if those now include non-medical incentives, that is telling in itself the situation is distinctly new and unusual. Coercion used to be unethical.

 

[dionysus]

good gods, get your jab; the benefits outweigh the risk factor
Christ, we get tetanus, polio and hep shots and we're nearly all here to tell the tale

 

[Kroffe]

That's called a forum discussion, slightly different to heineken making an advert telling people to get jabbed. It is tricky though to post anything regarding one of the vax's, adults have to make their own minds up, weigh up any risks and the benefits, if those now include non-medical incentives, that is telling in itself the situation is distinctly new and unusual.

Theres been alot of 'telling people what to do' in this thread aswell, in both directions.

Edit: Like the post above mine.

 

[mack341]

Theres been alot of 'telling people what to do' in this thread aswell, in both directions.

That's true but any view should be taken as personal opinion, rather than medical advice carrying weight, if it's a repost of a news story or medical study it stands by itself, to be dismissed or taken account of. There has to be a certain leeway, people rightly or wrongly have a gut instinct about things, and that includes that the vax would be a great benefit to them healthwise.

I feel covid is not a big threat to me at my age etc.., certainly not a greater threat than the flu, and i have never gone to get the jab for that either, personally i keep medical interventions to absolute necessity, but in this it's around the issue of future risk, so not easy to be certain either way.

 

[jaydub]

So pfizer seeking approval for 3rd dose, I thought I was fully vaccinated , maybe not ..

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[Bunbu]

@Bunbu Perhaps science has moved on.... we are no longer in the dark ages

Below is link from EU site for patents (on that linked page is also a link (to US website for patents), date, documents and information about when the same patent was registered in the United States. In Holland-Netherlands patent has been registered in 2015):

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Is this dark age yet?!
My personal opinios is: Yes it is! Why is the human race so stupid in the twenty-first century, considering all of the technology that is only a one or two-second touch away from us?

People are one thing, and science is another... Which of those two "terms" has a monopoly(control) in the mass-media? And do you really believe that political figures who are socipats and psyhopats only exist in history books? (Caligula, Neron, Hitler, Alexander The Macedonian or The Great, Cezar, Napoleon, George W Bush, Stalin, plenty of UK/England rulers etc...the list is too long, and it does not exclude any race, nation or skin color.)

- Take away the bots and watch the narrative disappear.

And, once again, I would recommend the following phrase:

- Take away the bots and watch the narrative disappear.

P.S. This is screenshoot i made 48 hours ago from the same

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destination. ((kind of same situation was on World Bank export-import database worldwide - open for everyone to examine (i work in export-import area 25+ years so i use that WB database long time), at end of year 2020, but they change the NAMES in database in 48 hours after videos and pictures emerged on internet, also have pics and videos made by myself, so not downloaded from social networks)).