Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[slotplayer]

Dr. Fauci is 80 years old (born on xmas eve). Apparently he has developed an anti-aging vaccine and is holding out on the rest of us.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Come on peops you dont need scientific proof to know, for any undeniable fact, that putting something in front of your mouth will limit what comes out, just saying, we dont need scientists to define logic.....or do we?

 

[dealer wins]

putting something in front of your mouth will limit what comes out

Some of the posters on here need to put one on looooooool

Arguing that we should revoke rights and freedoms we fought wars to defend, over a virus with a 99.9% recovery rate for all except the elderly or vulnerable, who have now been vaccinated or offered the vaccine.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Some of the posters on here need to put one on looooooool

Arguing that we should revoke rights and freedoms we fought wars to defend, over a virus with a 99.9% recovery rate for all except the elderly or vulnerable, who have now been vaccinated or offered the vaccine.

I just find it funny that, over a year on, we are still discussing if masks have an effect. Like talking to my 5 year old.

 

[Jono777]

Masks protect the identity of super heroes so they're not a total waste of time

 

[Kroffe]

Come on peops you dont need scientific proof to know, for any undeniable fact, that putting something in front of your mouth will limit what comes out, just saying, we dont need scientists to define logic.....or do we?

 

[Kroffe]

Sidenote: People prefer if you dont pee on them at all, regardless if you are wearing pants or not, attempting to pee on someone is frowned upon.

 

[dealer wins]

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OK, so we wear masks to protect others in the rare event we have asymptomatic covid. So someone has this.... So on breathing out, millions and millions of viral covid particles rather than being dispersed harmlessly into the air as evolution intended, they get caught in the mask, and then get breathed back in, deep into your lungs, causing high viral load covid and possible severe covid.

Madness.

 

[Kroffe]

OK, so we wear masks to protect others in the rare event we have asymptomatic covid. So someone has this.... So on breathing out, millions and millions of viral covid particles rather than being dispersed harmlessly into the air as evolution intended, they get caught in the mask, and then get breathed back in, deep into your lungs, causing high viral load covid and possible severe covid.

Madness.

Is this confirmed to be the case, or another opinion of yours?

 

[mack341]

Sidenote: People prefer if you dont pee on them at all, regardless if you are wearing pants or not, attempting to pee on someone is frowned upon.

yes but equivalent analogy would be to someone pissing with a hose through their pants for hours on end if they are out and about!

 

[bamberfishcake]

Im just sayiing that sometimes it feels like were discussing if the laws of physics have changed.

Objects in front of others restrict movement or flow, last time i checked.

 

[mack341]

Is this confirmed to be the case, or another opinion of yours?

I did read about this reinfection of yourself, breathing back in the covid molecules, I'd forgotten until dealer just mentioned it, I think I posted a link or quotation on it way back.

 

[Kroffe]

I did read about this reinfection of yourself, breathing back in the covid molecules, I'd forgotten until dealer just mentioned it, I think I posted a link or quotation on it way back.

Yeah, but ive read about the earth being flat, but as far as i know it has not been confirmed yet.


Its not like mask wearing is uncommon.
In alot of Asian countries, they put one on if they have the sniffles, as its considered rude to be out in public spreading your germs willy nilly.
Do the same thing apply there? Do they get super colds due to breathing in their own germs?

 

[snorky510238]

Yes masks may restrict flow but can’t be that effective given the amount of cases we are still seeing. I find it very difficult to believe that 400,000 people per day worldwide are not wearing masks and are the only ones contracting the virus.

Also why are we not putting any emphasis on wearing gloves if it can be caught through contaminated surfaces? Why doesn’t everyone go around with a mask on every winter if that would guarantee you wouldn’t catch the flu?

 

[Kroffe]

Yes masks may restrict flow but can’t be that effective given the amount of cases we are still seeing. I find it very difficult to believe that 400,000 people per day worldwide are not wearing masks and are the only ones contracting the virus.

Also why are we not putting any emphasis on wearing gloves if it can be caught through contaminated surfaces? Why doesn’t everyone go around with a mask on every winter if that would guarantee you wouldn’t catch the flu?

Even if it just lowers the chance of catching/spreading it by say 1% i would still put one on when going to the shop.
Its such a non issue for me wearing on the 5 minutes im in the shop, or the 10 minutes im on the bus, so even if it just made it a tiny bit less likely i catch it or spread it, i would wear one.


Isnt the gloves a thing tho?
Even here in my lil shop the people at the register have those disposable gloves.

They do come in contact with alot more people than others, but hand sanitizers have started to show up in alot of places, which serves the same purpose.

 

[snorky510238]

Don’t see many over here wearing gloves and hand sanitiser has been available all along at most places you visit but I would guess around 50% just ignore it.

 

[dealer wins]

Masks work do they lol, they were mandated in the summer, then we had a lockdown in January because they worked so well.

 

[colinsunderland]

Masks work do they lol, they were mandated in the summer, then we had a lockdown in January because they worked so well.

You really do post the most outrageous shite don't you?
No one has said they work 100%, but they most likely stop some cases. It's a bit of cloth over your mouth for a few minutes ffs, is it that hard to do, just in case it stops someone dying?

Wheres your answer to my post yesterday? Did you link to the wrong article or just make a load of stuff up by not reading the one you posted?

 

[dealer wins]

You really do post the most outrageous shite don't you?
No one has said they work 100%, but they most likely stop some cases. It's a bit of cloth over your mouth for a few minutes ffs, is it that hard to do, just in case it stops someone dying?

Wheres your answer to my post yesterday? Did you link to the wrong article or just make a load of stuff up by not reading the one you posted?

With the greatest of respect, I am not prepared to stop someone dying, when it would exponentially increase my risk of dying.

If in extremely rare event I had asymptomatic covid, I want it to stay that way, rather than rebreathe millions of viral particles turning it into severe covid.

Call me selfish, I am.

 

[Kroffe]

All i know is that im not convinced that the people making the guidelines for covid here in Sweden are out to kill me.
And until i become convinced of that, their opinions&recommendations will carry more weight than anything i see posted on CM, twitter, blogs etc.

They probably read about this alot more than people here do, and theres a pretty good chance they have a better understanding of what they are reading, since you know, its their job, and something they have worked with most of their life in many cases.

 

[mack341]

Yeah, but ive read about the earth being flat, but as far as i know it has not been confirmed yet.


Its not like mask wearing is uncommon.
In alot of Asian countries, they put one on if they have the sniffles, as its considered rude to be out in public spreading your germs willy nilly.
Do the same thing apply there? Do they get super colds due to breathing in their own germs?

[Your flat earth link was kind of disappointing to read in a reply tbh.]

I'm sure there are more articles or views about rebreathing viral particles but google is a search engine beset with bias, and only wants you to see that which it agrees with, so in the time I've given it found this:

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Yaneer Bar-Yam, Don’t rebreath the coronavirus: New mask designs, New England Complex Systems Institute (April 3, 2020).​

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A strategy to reduce COVID transmission is to wear a mask. However, for a person who is sick, wearing a standard mask can lead to increased rebreathing of viral particles. Here we consider designing masks to prevent rebreathing both when in public places, and more generally. We note that asymptomatic individuals may already be infected during a pre-symptomatic period. A non-rebreathing mask may be helpful for them instead of the usual masks.

Rebreathing coronavirus particles by an infected individual who exhales them may be harmful in accelerating COVID-19 progression. Infections initially occur due to inhaling coronavirus particles or touching the face. Once the infection is established in the nose or lungs, the virus replicates and particles are sneezed, coughed or breathed out. These particles are capable of infecting others, and can also be rebreathed. Disease progression is a competition between viral replication and elimination by the immune system. Rebreathing increases the amount of virus (viral load), and can add new locations of infection in the lung. This is like long range travel between communities in society. Indeed, CT scans show multiple locations of viral damage in the lung.* Since 80% of cases are mild, reduced rebreathing may increase this percentage, decreasing the number of individuals who progress to severe cases and the overall impact of this disease.

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Don't they advise windows to be open and fresh air for the sick, the principle is the same, and I don't find it so hard to see this is a factor to be taken into account when looking at mask good points and bad points.

 

[Kroffe]

[Your flat earth link was kind of disappointing to read in a reply tbh.]

I'm sure there are more articles or views about rebreathing viral particles but google is a search engine beset with bias, and only wants you to see that which it agrees with, so in the time I've given it found this:

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Yaneer Bar-Yam, Don’t rebreath the coronavirus: New mask designs, New England Complex Systems Institute (April 3, 2020).​

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A strategy to reduce COVID transmission is to wear a mask. However, for a person who is sick, wearing a standard mask can lead to increased rebreathing of viral particles. Here we consider designing masks to prevent rebreathing both when in public places, and more generally. We note that asymptomatic individuals may already be infected during a pre-symptomatic period. A non-rebreathing mask may be helpful for them instead of the usual masks.

Rebreathing coronavirus particles by an infected individual who exhales them may be harmful in accelerating COVID-19 progression. Infections initially occur due to inhaling coronavirus particles or touching the face. Once the infection is established in the nose or lungs, the virus replicates and particles are sneezed, coughed or breathed out. These particles are capable of infecting others, and can also be rebreathed. Disease progression is a competition between viral replication and elimination by the immune system. Rebreathing increases the amount of virus (viral load), and can add new locations of infection in the lung. This is like long range travel between communities in society. Indeed, CT scans show multiple locations of viral damage in the lung.* Since 80% of cases are mild, reduced rebreathing may increase this percentage, decreasing the number of individuals who progress to severe cases and the overall impact of this disease.

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Don't they advise windows to be open and fresh air for the sick, the principle is the same, and I don't find it so hard to see this is a factor to be taken into acount when looking at mask good points and bad points.

But that sounds like you think the people making the guidelines over here in Sweden are not taking these things into consideration.
Like i said earlier, they have probably read alot more than what anyone here has about different studies etc, and probably have a way better understanding of what they are reading.
So i dont think its weird trusting their recommendations and opinions over the recommendations and opinions of people from CM.

It would be different if i thought they were out to harm me with their recommendations and opinions, but i dont think they are.

 

[pinnit2014]

Yes masks may restrict flow but can’t be that effective given the amount of cases we are still seeing. I find it very difficult to believe that 400,000 people per day worldwide are not wearing masks and are the only ones contracting the virus.

Also why are we not putting any emphasis on wearing gloves if it can be caught through contaminated surfaces? Why doesn’t everyone go around with a mask on every winter if that would guarantee you wouldn’t catch the flu?

Someone in our place, from health and safety, brought these in one day

Great name, nothing strikes fear into you than watching someone putting on their feelers with a glint in their eye: statement of intent

 

[snorky510238]

Come on peops you dont need scientific proof to know, for any undeniable fact, that putting something in front of your mouth will limit what comes out, just saying, we dont need scientists to define logic.....or do we?

You could put the Aswan dam in front of the mouths of some people I have met in my time and I guarantee the bullshit would still seep through.

 

[mack341]

But that sounds like you think the people making the guidelines over here in Sweden are not taking these things into consideration.
Like i said earlier, they have probably read alot more than what anyone here has about different studies etc, and probably have a way better understanding of what they are reading.
So i dont think its weird trusting their recommendations and opinions over the recommendations and opinions of people from CM.

It would be different if i thought they were out to harm me with their recommendations and opinions, but i dont think they are.

You're working with straw too much again laddie , the bad points re masks have had very little public airing after PPE could be secured; if you go back to early 2020 the uk experts [and fauci] were advising masks could be unhelpful and not needed by the general public - social distancing and handwashing were likely as effective a measure in comparison, then when they could get their hands on some masks, mandatory. So it has a political dimension to it (the advice)

They help create and reinforce public fear in countries not use to seeing them, a lockdown, with all its new laws and restrictions, is assisted by masks and that visible compliance. They can also give you a false sense of protection, I wear one as required so know that feeling, one senses the mask barrier is effective however at the same time we have no realisation/comprehension of how small the particles are.

[ I won't delve into the opinions about oxygen levels, other detrimental effects on health etc for those required to wear masks for long periods, but it is something that can be looked into ]

Iirc sweden hasn't mandated them for public transport [unless that has recently changed] but have advised it as a sensible precaution?

 

[Kroffe]

You're working with straw too much again laddie , the bad points re masks have had very little public airing after PPE could be secured; if you go back to early 2020 the uk experts [and fauci] were advising masks could be unhelpful and not needed by the general public - social distancing and handwashing were likely as effective a measure in comparison, then when they could get their hands on some masks, mandatory. So it has a political dimension to it (the advice)

They help create and reinforce public fear in countries not use to seeing them, a lockdown, with all its new laws and restrictions, is assisted by masks and that visible compliance. They can also give you a false sense of protection, I wear one as required so know that feeling, one senses the mask barrier is effective however at the same time we have no realisation/comprehension of how small the particles are.

[ I won't delve into the opinions about oxygen levels, other detrimental effects on health etc for those required to masks for long periods, but it is something that can be looked into ]

Iirc sweden hasn't mandated them for public transport [unless that has recently changed] but have advised it as a sensible precaution?

Maybe i should spend a couple hours reading about covid so i also become an expert and know better than the people making the recommendations here in Sweden.
Yes, they recommend it as a sensible precaution, ie a smart thing to do. =)

Like what is the big endgame for all this if masks etc is all just a hoax to create public fear, lockdowns are pointless etc.
Is there an evil genius behind all this? A worldwide deepstate?
I dont think im the only one working with straw here.

 

[Kroffe]

Besides, after how much dealer wins have been hammering on about Sweden doing everything right, how could i not trust them.

 

[mack341]

Maybe i should spend a couple hours reading about covid so i also become an expert and know better than the people making the recommendations here in Sweden.
Yes, they recommend it as a sensible precaution, ie a smart thing to do. =)

Like what is the big endgame for all this if masks etc is all just a hoax to create public fear, lockdowns are pointless etc.
I dont think im the only one working with straw here.

You do that, time well spent

For the endgame we have to wait, though it'll probably be the 1st part, you have to drip feed long term social/society change, otherwise too many might get organised and object.

 

[Kroffe]

You do that, time well spent

For the endgame we have to wait, though it'll probably be the 1st part, you have to drip feed long term social/society change, otherwise too many might get organised and object.

Do you believe the people making the guidelines/recommendations in England are out to harm rather than help you?

 

[mack341]

Do you believe the people making the guidelines/recommendations in England are out to harm rather than help you?

Let's see if we go back to normal anytime soon, or whether a raft of 'controlling' measures are introduced and never get repealed come what may.

I hope I am wrong, that would please me greatly.

 

[Kroffe]

Let's see if we go back to normal anytime soon, or whether a raft of 'controlling' measures are introduced and never get repealed come what may.

I hope I am wrong, that would please me greatly.

Should have voted labour.

I dont know, i think its way to uncoordinated to be a scheme for bringing on worldwide societal change.
If that were the case, wouldnt every country be following the same guidelines, having the same rules, lockdowns etc.

Im sorry Mack, but i will have to add this to the list.

*labour thing was not serious.

 

[mack341]

Should have voted labour.

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I dont know, i think its way to uncoordinated to be a scheme for bringing on worldwide societal change.
If that were the case, wouldnt every country be following the same guidelines, having the same rules, lockdowns etc.

Im sorry Mack, but i will have to add this to the list.

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*labour thing was not serious.

I did briefly hope Labour would make things better back in 1997 when they won the general election, the tories had been in power for 18 years straight by then, but I soon realised their promises were written on the back of a fag packet and their competency was even less credible.

I believe in democracy, but it's not great when both main parties basically seem to agree on everything, there's a paper thin difference between blair and johnson, if you sat them down they'd broadly agree with each other, save a few superficial things.

Maybe I'm too cynical re current events...but I can only say what I see.

 

[sufferinsilence]

What's in it for "them" to cancel Christmas or Easter; keeping pubs, resto's and clubs permanently closed etc? Absolutely nothing.

My bold prediction: in a year's time everything will be 99% like it was in 2019. Perhaps people will be a tad more distant (but I wouldn't mind that personally) and teleworking might be used just a little more during flu season. Other than that?

 

[Kroffe]

I did briefly hope Labour would make things better back in 1997 when they won the general election, the tories had been in power for 18 years straight by then, but I soon realised their promises were written on the back of a fag packet and their competency was even less credible.

I believe in democracy, but it's not great when both main parties basically seem to agree on everything, there's a paper thin difference between blair and johnson, if you sat them down they'd broadly agree with each other, save a few superficial things.

Maybe I'm too cynical re current events...but I can only say what I see.

Its kind of similar-ish here.
Sure we have a bunch of different parties, but the two main ones agree on many things.
Still worthwhile to cast your vote on the party you like instead of going for the main two, because after the election the government is formed into a coalition of parties. A vote for say the Christian democrats is similar to casting your vote for the moderate party in terms of who will be running the country later, but the more votes the christian democrats have, the more power to push thru policies they will have in the coalition that forms later.
So its still worthwhile to vote for the smaller parties if you prefer one of them over the two main ones.

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[Kroffe]

Sadly we dont have a viking party, but instead...

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[slotplayer]

I brought up the canceling of Easter this time last year and took some incoming. iirc.

 

[slotplayer]

I did briefly hope Labour would make things better back in 1997 when they won the general election, the tories had been in power for 18 years straight by then, but I soon realised their promises were written on the back of a fag packet and their competency was even less credible.

I believe in democracy, but it's not great when both main parties basically seem to agree on everything, there's a paper thin difference between blair and johnson, if you sat them down they'd broadly agree with each other, save a few superficial things.

Maybe I'm too cynical re current events...but I can only say what I see.

The problem might be that your expectations are too high?

 

[sufferinsilence]

It isn't canceled, is it? If I recall correctly in the UK they loosened the measures so people could celebrate Christmas with more people which in turn led to the number of infections dramatically rising. And now with Easter on the way measures will be slowly getting looser too.

 

[electronictonic]

The covid cult.

 

[geordiecolin]

Tanzania's president John Magufuli has died aged 61 of a suspected heart attack ( critics are claiming he died of Covid Ha ha ha)
He refused to entertain Covid as a danger, no masks,no lockdowns or measures. He sent swabs to get tested and found that fruits and animals results came back positive.
Tanzania population near 61 million. Covid cases in 1 year =509. Covid deaths in 1 year =21. Tanzinia is among the poorest 15 nations in the World.

UK population= 67.61 Million. Covid cases in 1 year = 4.27 million. Covid deaths in 1 year = 126,000

 

[electronictonic]

Tanzania's president John Magufuli has died aged 61 of a suspected heart attack ( critics are claiming he died of Covid Ha ha ha)
He refused to entertain Covid as a danger, no masks,no lockdowns or measures. He sent swabs to get tested and found that fruits and animals results came back positive.
Tanzania population near 61 million. Covid cases in 1 year =509. Covid deaths in 1 year =21. Tanzinia is among the poorest 15 nations in the World.

UK population= 67.61 Million. Covid cases in 1 year = 4.27 million. Covid deaths in 1 year = 126,000

Coroners report just in cause of death: opposing the global cabal, they have replaced him 2 mins after with a WEF puppet.

 

[mack341]

The problem might be that your expectations are too high?

yes that could be true, I never thought of it like that, I probably just want things to be still like the 80/90s when the hassle factor felt low. In comparison this new normal coming is chalk and cheese ... "vere are your papers!" "show me your arm...good, good you've had your vax"

 

[geordiecolin]

Coroners report just in cause of death: opposing the global cabal, they have replaced him 2 mins after with a WEF puppet.

He wouldn't be the first World leader taken out. There has been guns around for years that leave no trace that give the impression of a heart attack

 

[mack341]

Interesting theory:

 

[interlog]

Interesting theory:

Isn't this conspiracy theory territory?

 

[Kroffe]

Isn't this conspiracy theory territory?

You might think so, but lets look at the facts here.

I guess it is a little bit weird that the people making this fake, dna-altering, TMNT-vaccine are not among the people "in on it"

 

[mack341]

Going to be interesting what the EMA say, I'm expecting them to disagree, but if these rare, fatal clots carry on then what?

 

[mack341]

Isn't this conspiracy theory territory?

Is it plausible or not is the question, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

 

[colinsunderland]

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A review by the EU's medicines regulator has concluded the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine is "safe and effective".

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) investigated after 13 EU states suspended use of the vaccine over fears of a link to blood clots.

It found the jab was "not associated" with a higher risk of clots.

Italy has announced that it will resume administering the jab on Friday.

 

[LadyJelena]

Has anyone been vaccinated here?