Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[dealer wins]

To my simple mind, all this screams "we should not be trying new experimental and drastic strategies (Lockdowns and social distancing) and new vaccines (mRNA ones that dont stop transmission) with a relatively mild virus. Like I have said back in the history of this thread, we try to mess with mother nature, she messes back harder!!

 

[Kroffe]

Good thing lockdowns and social distancing are not new and experimental then, but rather old trusty tried&tested methods.

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"In 1918, the studies found, the key to flattening the curve was social distancing. And that likely remains true a century later, in the current battle against coronavirus. “[T]here is an invaluable treasure trove of useful historical data that has only just begun to be used to inform our actions,” Columbia University epidemiologist Stephen S. Morse

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in an analysis of the data. “The lessons of 1918, if well heeded, might help us to avoid repeating the same history today.”

 

[paul7388]

Yeah i know it is unproven.

But for my liking their seems to be too many cases of things like Blood Clots etc. connected to the vaccine.

Again it is not proven that they are connected. Just find it kind of worrying that some countries are suspending use of a vaccine and having doubts.

After all we are only 2 months into using the vaccines. If indeed it is causing blood clots in some who knows if that could end up being a longer term side effect in others. Like i say it is a new virus so unknown yet if it could have long term side effects.

 

[Kroffe]

Yeah i know it is unproven.

But for my liking their seems to be too many cases of things like Blood Clots etc. connected to the vaccine.

Again it is not proven that they are connected. Just find it kind of worrying that some countries are suspending use of a vaccine and having doubts.

After all we are only 2 months into using the vaccines. If indeed it is causing blood clots in some who knows if that could end up being a longer term side effect in others. Like i say it is a new virus so unknown yet if it could have long term side effects.

I saw Norway was investigating 3 cases of (think it was 3) people that had gotten blood clots.
Apparently number of people with blood clots were no higher than any other year, but all 3 did have the vaccine from astrazeneca, and i think that vaccine was put on hold pending investigation.

Im not too worried about it tho, since they have not managed to find any correlation between vaccine&blood clots.
And avoiding the vaccine to avoid blood clots may backfire, since covid causes blood clots.

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[paul7388]

I saw Norway was investigating 3 cases of (think it was 3) people that had gotten blood clots.
Apparently number of people with blood clots were no higher than any other year, but all 3 did have the vaccine from astrazeneca, and i think that vaccine was put on hold pending investigation.

Im not too worried about it tho, since they have not managed to find any correlation between vaccine&blood clots.
And avoiding the vaccine to avoid blood clots may backfire, since covid causes blood clots.

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Yeah like i said the link was unproven,

Just a bit worrying when several countries are suspending the use.

 

[Kroffe]

Yeah like i said the link was unproven,

Just a bit worrying when several countries are suspending the use.

Dont think this was the same article i read, but content seems to be the same-ish.

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Guess we will know more in 2ish weeks.

 

[ESCJAMIE]

Well the numbers in the Uk are looking promising, To think since the kids went back to school there's almost an extra 1 million test done a day and for there to be no increase in positive cases is crazy. There end is near !

 

[ESCJAMIE]

 

[dionysus]

Our numbers here still aren't good
We've gotten a few sunny days and feeling like spring, everyone seems to want outside - I've unpacked the bike and donned the helmet and gone for a few rides to get out, I see neighbours have done a bit of backyarding with company, a few more kids on bikes, going out
I really..miss socializing, having a pint, and looking forward to beaches and camping


but

if I need to sacrifice another summer to keep numbers down, I'm ok with it to look forward to several more summers instead

 

[ESCJAMIE]

I saw Norway was investigating 3 cases of (think it was 3) people that had gotten blood clots.
Apparently number of people with blood clots were no higher than any other year, but all 3 did have the vaccine from astrazeneca, and i think that vaccine was put on hold pending investigation.

Im not too worried about it tho, since they have not managed to find any correlation between vaccine&blood clots.
And avoiding the vaccine to avoid blood clots may backfire, since covid causes blood clots.

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Im sure if there was any connection it would of been picked up in testing and also there be would 1000s of cases not a handfull,



When a person gets a vaccine but dies after a few days or week its not the vaccine thats killed them, They was going to die from a heart attack stroke cancer ect anyways.

If I go out now and have a sandwich and die in next few days from cancer heart attack stroke ect, did the sandwich cause that ?

There so many people on social media who think cause a handful of people die after having the vaccine they think its thats what killed them but 150000 ish people die a day regardless, That person was going to die anyways.

 

[interlog]

Im sure if there was any connection it would of been picked up in testing and also there be would 1000s of cases not a handfull,



When a person gets a vaccine but dies after a few days or week its not the vaccine thats killed them, They was going to die from a heart attack stroke cancer ect anyways.

If I go out now and have a sandwich and die in next few days from cancer heart attack stroke ect, did the sandwich cause that ?

There so many people on social media who think cause a handful of people die after having the vaccine they think its thats what killed them but 150000 ish people die a day regardless, That person was going to die anyways.

But couldn't the same also be said about the Coronavirus itself? I mean, they were going to die from a heart atttack, stroke, cancer etc. anyways

 

[ESCJAMIE]

But couldn't the same also be said about the Coronavirus itself? I mean, they were going to die from a heart atttack, stroke, cancer etc. anyways

Im talking about the link between having an injection then dying from another cause a few days later or having blood clots, Coronavirus kills people who normally would have another 10-60 years of life so no you cant say the same, its nothing alike.

 

[interlog]

Im talking about the link between having an injection then dying from another cause a few days later or having blood clots, Coronavirus kills people who normally would have another 10-60 years of life so no you cant say the same, its nothing alike.

You don't get cancer overnight for a start, so perhaps a bad example that you used.

Example 1: The vaccine can cause side effects that can perhaps kill somebody who already has underlying health issues. If they didn't have the vaccine, it wouldn't have killed them.

Example 2: The virus can cause side effects that can perhaps kill somebody who already has underlying health issues. If they didn't have the virus, it wouldn't have killed them.

Example 1, it is the underlying conditions that is the cause of the death, example 2 it is the virus that is the cause of the death

See where I am coming from?

 

[ESCJAMIE]

You don't get cancer overnight for a start, so perhaps a bad example that you used.

Example 1: The vaccine can cause side effects that can perhaps kill somebody who already has underlying health issues. If they didn't have the vaccine, it wouldn't have killed them.

Example 2: The virus can cause side effects that can perhaps kill somebody who already has underlying health issues. If they didn't have the virus, it wouldn't have killed them.

Example 1, it is the underlying conditions that is the cause of the death, example 2 it is the virus that is the cause of the death

See where I am coming from?

We talking very very minimal risk if not Almost 0% of dying from a vaccine if you have a underlying conditions to a much higher chance if you catch corona and high underlying conditions.

I do not believe that the mast majority them who are dying after the vaccines is linked at all

 

[mack341]

Im sure if there was any connection it would of been picked up in testing and also there be would 1000s of cases not a handfull,



When a person gets a vaccine but dies after a few days or week its not the vaccine thats killed them, They was going to die from a heart attack stroke cancer ect anyways.

If I go out now and have a sandwich and die in next few days from cancer heart attack stroke ect, did the sandwich cause that ?

There so many people on social media who think cause a handful of people die after having the vaccine they think its thats what killed them but 150000 ish people die a day regardless, That person was going to die anyways.

A sandwich isn't designed to trigger an immune reaction, why didn't you give an example of a medicine, in which case if someone is put on a new medicine and dies from a stroke a few days later it would be investigated I'm sure.

It may be a total coincidence but currently the nhs are heavily running stroke adverts on the TV, yet I saw none all through last year. A Blood clot is the most common cause of strokes as far as I know.

 

[colinsunderland]

A sandwich isn't designed to trigger an immune reaction, why didn't you give an example of a medicine, in which case if someone is put on a new medicine and dies from a stroke a few days later it would be investigated I'm sure.

It may be a total coincidence but currently the nhs are heavily running stroke adverts on the TV, yet I saw none all through last year. A Blood clot is the most common cause of strokes as far as I know.

You've not seen the F.A.S.T. adverts? they've been on for years haven't they?

 

[mack341]

You've not seen the F.A.S.T. adverts? they've been on for years haven't they?

I remember seeing them a few years back, and then off and on, but not since last march until now. Maybe it is a winter thing, I just thought 'hmm, is this a coincidence' or do they know for some the vaccine raises risks [ could be a minute number ]

 

[colinsunderland]

I remember seeing them a few years back, and then off and on, but not since last march until now. Maybe it is a winter thing, I just thought 'hmm, is this a coincidence' or do they know for some the vaccine raises risks [ could be a minute number ]

I think you are reading a bit much into that. You've said you remember them on and off, so from March could have been 'off'. Plus, they could quite possibly have been replaced by the 'wash your hands you scruffy twats' adverts as they were deemed more pressing or something.

 

[dealer wins]

Another video featuring one of the world's leading vaccine experts, and someone who has developed vaccines and been at the forefront of them all his career.

He is saying we are vaccinating our way to possible extinction by using leaky vaccines in a pandemic.

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I truly hope and pray he is wrong, but if he is right, the consequences will be unimaginable.

 

[Kroffe]

I dont know, its not like hes against mass vaccination, he just wants to do it with a different vaccine.
The vaccine he thinks will work better.
Kind of sounds like sour grapes that he didnt get to be a part of developing the current ones.

If hes really such a big name in these circles, its a bit weird he wasnt involved, no?

 

[mack341]

I think you are reading a bit much into that. You've said you remember them on and off, so from March could have been 'off'. Plus, they could quite possibly have been replaced by the 'wash your hands you scruffy twats' adverts as they were deemed more pressing or something.

Stroke victims would have been more at risk during 2020, GP appointments cancelled, hospital consultations postponed etc..so they ought to have run the adverts all through the year, you can have a mini stroke and not realise followed by a worse one.

It could be pure coincidence and because they haven't run them for ages, however some countries have paused giving the oxford vaccine while they look at blood clot risks, that is a fact.

I'd be surprised if it is pulled, but it was sweden and finland who first identified the problem with the swine flu vax, not the uk, other countries are sometimes a bit more diligent than us, less biased when it comes to discovering/investigating problems, norway being one with high standards of scrutiny I expect.

 

[mack341]

I watched two more vanden bossche vids, and he's posted a synopsis of his concerns, there is something I just don't get in his argument, as if a piece of the explanation is missing.

I generally thought viruses weaken when they mutate, as that improves the chance of propagating themselves, bit like the common cold, you tend to carry on your daily activites rather than be bed-bound. His theory seems to be the virus could become worse as then people will shed it more, I don't think he has explained the science in a way people can fully understand it, certainly I can't despite trying a fair bit!

I did think if the vaccines are focused on 1 part of the spike protein, compared to natural immunity which would be broader and target more parts, then that gives the virus an advantage in that only a smaller part of it's dna needs to mutate to evade a specific vaccine. Obviously they could have created a vaccine that targets more than one part of the spike, perhaps that will come later after this trial run effectively.

 

[dealer wins]

Real life example of what he fears Mack. I genuinely think hes dead right sadly.

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[sufferinsilence]

Real life example of what he fears Mack. I genuinely think hes dead right sadly.

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"That’s not a problem for vaccinated individuals. But unvaccinated birds people are now in serious trouble."

 

[Kroffe]

"That’s not a problem for vaccinated individuals. But unvaccinated birds people are now in serious trouble."

You are just like the evil Spider-man

To be fair, he did regret letting that guy go shortly after doing it.

 

[mack341]

Real life example of what he fears Mack. I genuinely think hes dead right sadly.

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I don't dismiss him and this possibility, just after watching over 3 hrs from two vids, where both the interviewers couldn't quite grasp the science either, I'm just not sure how serious and possible this is.

I don't think we've ever vaccinated millions in the midst of a high outbreak/pandemic, so there is that unknown potential which he does make the point about, putting this virus under pressure but not without escape routes, his belief seems to be that this is simple evolutionary biology, covid is going to mutate to become vaccine resistant to the current ones, then where are we in a worse place or better? I guess he wants the medical scientific world to evaluate this possibility rather than rush ahead.

 

[dealer wins]

Sadly, vaccinated or not, if he is right, we are all in grave danger from ever more dangerous strains caused by the leaky vaccine. The rare enhanced bad mutations that would normally be outcompeted and not matter and fizzle out, will now have the advantage and will go on to spread, and on it goes getting more and more deadly.

 

[Kroffe]

I don't dismiss him and this possibility, just after watching over 3 hrs from two vids, where both the interviewers couldn't quite grasp the science either, I'm just not sure how serious and possible this is.

I don't think we've ever vaccinated millions in the midst of a high outbreak/pandemic, so there is that unknown potential which he does make the point about, putting this virus under pressure but not without escape routes, his belief seems to be that this is simple evolutionary biology, covid is going to become vaccine resistant to the current ones, then where are we in a worse place or better? I guess he wants the medical scientific world to evaluate this possibiity rather than rush ahead.

I think its a bit weird, like you mentioned earlier, that it took him until now to start shouting this.
I mean, the plan has been known for a year-ish by now.
Sure, the kind of vaccines being developed have not been known for quite that long, but still several months.
Why didnt he start his campaign last year?

 

[sufferinsilence]

I watched two more vanden bossche vids, and he's posted a synposis of his concerns, there is something I just don't get in his argument, as if a piece of the explanation is missing.

I generally thought viruses weaken when they mutate, as that improves the chance of propagating themselves, bit like the common cold, you tend to carry on your daily activites rather than be bed-bound. His theory seems to be the virus could become worse as then people will shed it more, I don't think he has explained the science in a way people can fully understand it, certainly I can't despite trying a fair bit!

I did think if the vaccines are focused on 1 part of the spike protein, compared to natural immunity which would be broader and target more parts, then that gives the virus an advantage in that only a smaller part of it's dna needs to mutate to evade a specific vaccine. Obviously they could have created a vaccine that targets more than one part of the spike, perhaps that will come later after this trial run effectively.

I've read some explanations that what he's saying doesn't necessary have to be true. It still sounds like a pitch for his own creation to me.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Sadly, vaccinated or not, if he is right, we are all in grave danger from ever more dangerous strains caused by the leaky vaccine. The rare enhanced bad mutations that would normally be outcompeted and not matter and fizzle out, will now have the advantage and will go on to spread, and on it goes getting more and more deadly.

If it gets more and more deadly it'll die out soon. A virus can't spread properly if its hosts get too ill or die, it relies solely on hosts to spread. People will be more willing to isolate if it turns out the mortality rate goes up and the spread will naturally go down.

 

[mack341]

I think its a bit weird, like you mentioned earlier, that it took him until now to start shouting this.
I mean, the plan has been known for a year-ish by now.
Sure, the kind of vaccines being developed have not been known for quite that long, but still several months.
Why didnt he start his campaign last year?

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I think in the last vid I watched the interviewer mentioned that, I'm not sure he gave a direct answer, also seen that query on twitter, but maybe he wanted to wait for real time results/info to come in. Another point someone mentioned was oxford/zeneca carried out parts of their trial in brazil and south africa, lo and behold two of the worrying mutations came from those countries. And the other from the uk where the rest of the trial was conducted, seems unlikely but another 'hmm' for me.

Yes, I am a vaccine/ big pharma sceptic but still hope we're on the right track and covid becomes like the seasonal flu, with optional vaccines for anybody who wants one. There is a middle road, whereas covid green passes and passports is govt overkill and an obsession with control and intrusion into citizen's lives, as if no one has a natural immune system, and we all need big pharma's jabs and to then be tracked and restricted to make sure of it.

 

[dealer wins]

If it gets more and more deadly it'll die out soon. A virus can't spread properly if its hosts get too ill or die, it relies solely on hosts to spread. People will be more willing to isolate if it turns out the mortality rate goes up and the spread will naturally go down.

Leaky vaccines stop the origional virus, but let out the mutations that "escape". Its called immune escape. Those mutations are by definition more deadly, more infectious, they have to be to beat the vaccine.. If we had just let the virus pass through the population, those random deadly mutations would have no advantage and die out as they would be out competed by the original strain, but as the vaccine stops the original strain, the mutations become the new variants, and they are always more contagious and deadly as a result. This cycle repeats over and over, just like in the chicken virus, its actually been proven in science. Like we are seeing more virulent variants emerge in countries that are vaccinating their populations, using a non perfect vaccine.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I think in the last vid I watched the interviewer mentioned that, I'm not sure he gave a direct answer, also seen that query on twitter, but maybe he wanted to wait for real time results/info to come in. Another point someone mentioned was oxford/zeneca carried out parts of their trial in brazil and south africa, lo and behold two of the worrying mutations came from those countries. And the other from the uk where the rest of the trial was conducted, seems unlikely but another 'hmm' for me.

Yes, I am a vaccine/ big pharma sceptic but still hope we're on the right track and covid becomes like the seasonal flu, with optional vaccines for anybody who wants one. There is a middle road, whereas covid green passes and passports is govt overkill and an obsession with control and intrusion into citizen's lives, as if no one has a natural immune system, and we all need big pharma's jabs and to then be tracked and restricted to make sure of it.

Mutations also naturally happen when alot of people get infected. In Brazil Bolsonaro didn't believe in the virus, even though he was sick himself, and didn't want lockdowns. In South Africa there was a huge flare-up after the end of the schoolyear when there were a shitload of parties.

I think I read the British mutant started with a woman who was in hospital and infectious for over a month and then started spreading from there. Could be bs tho.

 

[mack341]

I've read some explanations that what he's saying doesn't necessary have to be true. It still sounds like a pitch for his own creation to me.

Possibly, he has worked with the gates' foundation, it could be his idea of NK killer cell based vaccines, which according to him boost the innate immune system, are the future. He said his ideas were 20 years advanced, two decades early and the scientific consensus isn't there yet, but in his view we've reached as far as we can with antibody based vaccines.

He's belgian too so you should give him a bit of support I guess he's from the flemish dutch speaking side?

 

[sufferinsilence]

Leaky vaccines stop the origional virus, but let out the mutations that "escape". Its called immune escape. Those mutations are by definition more deadly, more infectious, they have to be to beat the vaccine.. If we had just let the virus pass through the population, those random deadly mutations would have no advantage and die out as they would be out competed by the original strain, but as the vaccine stops the original strain, the mutations become the new variants, and they are always more contagious and deadly as a result. This cycle repeats over and over, just like in the chicken virus, its actually been proven in science. Like we are seeing more virulent variants emerge in countries that are vaccinating their populations, using a non perfect vaccine.

But Dr. Vanden Bossche wants you to get vaccinated. Just not with the current vaccines but with his own creation.

And again: a deadlier virus will make people more cautious. Look at MERS, it never really spread that much because of the high mortality rate. When people can't pass it on due to being too ill or dying at a rapid pace a virus is just killing itself.

 

[mack341]

Mutations also naturally happen when alot of people get infected. In Brazil Bolsonaro didn't believe in the virus, even though he was sick himself, and didn't want lockdowns. In South Africa there was a huge flare-up after the end of the schoolyear when there were a shitload of parties.

I think I read the British mutant started with a woman who was in hospital and infectious for over a month and then started spreading from there. Could be bs tho.

yes that is true and there was something about using plasma that could also increase risks of mutations, but then the next day the papers say something else, hard to keep up!

 

[sufferinsilence]

Possibly, he has worked with the gates' foundation, it could be his idea of NK killer cell based vaccines, which according to him boost the innate immune system, are the future. He said his ideas were 20 years advanced, two decades early and the scientific consensus isn't there yet, but in his view we've reached as far as we can with antibody based vaccines.

He's belgian too so you should give him a bit of support I guess he's from the flemish dutch speaking side?

If there were no posts on here about him I wouldn't even know about him. Usually these discussions are held behind closed doors, in the current climate it seems that every scientific discussion has to be made public and discussed by the millions of virologists that got their Twitter MD/PhD degree in 2020

 

[mack341]

I wonder if Geert is seeing results/information from the care homes in belgium, after vaccinations have occurred, he must have associates and contacts. He does come across as genuine and serious I must say, a vid of him discussing his theory with another vaccine expert would be interesting.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I wonder if Geert is seeing results/information from the care homes in belgium, after vaccinations have occurred, he must have associates and contacts. He does come across as genuine and serious I must say, a vid of him discussing his theory with another vaccine expert would be interesting.

Latest info for elderly people says that both infections and hospitalisations are way down. There have been 2 "outbreaks" I read about where elderly people tested positive but didn't have any symptoms. And on top of that there were much less people infected. Both times the spread apparently started from staff that didn't want to be vaccinated.

Anyway, if the Dr. is right we'll see the numbers in Israel/USA/UK booming in a month or 2. As far as I know those countries are ahead of the curve right now when it comes to vaccinating.

 

[Gaz237]

Am booked in for my first jab next Monday.

More and more countries are suspending the jab, due to possible links to blood clotting.

Been thnking about it all day and just can't make my mind up weather to cancel (delay) it?.

 

[cyde0713]

Well having worked throughout this utter nonsense and seen the harm done.

there is no justification to contiinie this, let the obese and ones with issues Sheild.

the rest must continue, the so called vaccine I’ll not be taking, never had a issue before so ill take my chances.

 

[dealer wins]

If you are over 60 or have serious health issues, may be worth taking the vaccine. But if not, the vaccine has more chance of killing you than covid, and thats without the potential long term unknown problems that may or may not come to light.

Remember, we once hailed radium as a miracle health cure, and scientists were said cigarettes cured asthma lol

 

[cyde0713]

Am booked in for my first jab next Monday.

More and more countries are suspending the jab, due to possible links to blood clotting.

Been thnking about it all day and just can't make my mind up weather to cancel (delay) it?.

Well don’t... it’s not rocket science

 

[Gaz237]

View attachment 152135 If you are over 60 or have serious health issues, may be worth taking the vaccine. But if not, the vaccine has more chance of killing you than covid, and thats without the potential long term unknown problems that may or may not come to light.

Remember, we once hailed radium as a miracle health cure, and scientists were said cigarettes cured asthma lol

53 with underlying health issues, so borderline.

I don't believe for 1 min though that there's more chance of the vaccine killing me than covid.

 

[mack341]

Am booked in for my first jab next Monday.

More and more countries are suspending the jab, due to possible links to blood clotting.

Been thnking about it all day and just can't make my mind up weather to cancel (delay) it?.

The european medical agency is going to report back with its findings tomorrow afternoon according to the news I heard tonight.

I did read the original concern came from two young care workers in norway being hospitalised after developing blood clots and having a very low blood platelet count. They have to check these things out, even if it is rare, on the do no harm principle

I'm expecting them to return tomorrow and say it is fine, if they don't what is the uk govt and others going to say.

 

[dealer wins]

53 with underlying health issues, so borderline.

I don't believe for 1 min though that there's more chance of the vaccine killing me than covid.

I do, and the AZ one being suspended is not the reason it will kill you, more risk from medium term pathogenic priming, or immune escape when the virus beats the vaccine. You take the vaccine, but the now useless vaccine antibodies out compete your natural ones, causing death.

Not me saying it, but one of the world's leading vaccine experts.

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[Gaz237]

The european medical agency is going to report back with its findings tomorrow afternoon according to the news I heard tonight.

I did read the original concern came from two young care workers in norway being hospitalised after developing blood clots and having a very low blood platelet count. They have to check these things out, even if it is rare, on the do no harm principle

I'm expecting them to return tomorrow and say it is fine, if they don't what is the uk govt and others going to say.

Cheers

Will wait for the report with interest.

 

[Kroffe]

I do, and the AZ one being suspended is not the reason it will kill you, more risk from medium term pathogenic priming, or immune escape when the virus beats the vaccine. You take the vaccine, but the now useless vaccine antibodies out compete your natural ones, causing death.

Not me saying it, but one of the world's leading vaccine experts.

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You trust that guys vaccine more, why?
Because you know his solution is also mass vaccination, right?

He says in his report that the only way out of this, apart from doing nothing, is vaccines.
He wants to use his vaccine tho, not the ones currently used that he had no part in creating.

 

[dealer wins]

I try to keep informed as best as I can about important issues.

All I have learnt over the last 12 months is that most governments have fucked up badly, are not to be trusted, and that experimental mRNA vaccines are the last thing going in my body.

Just now awaiting the inevitable financial collapse and its devastating consequences.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I'm happy for the guy he's all of a sudden world renowned whilst nobody knew him before his plea to stop vaccinating with the current vaccinations and use his invention.

5/5 for PR.