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Yes, school meals are provided for all in Finland free of charge and when schools are closed, these been replaced with food parcels. Somebody found that UK food parcel amusing and posted a comparison to Facebook

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Skanksville areas don't really deliver that much, subsistence food. It's much better in the posher areas of the UK though.

Here in the Cotswolds, or Kensington etc. you get a choice of the healthy or unhealthy options, delivered.

(I chose the second one)

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Fed up with the above, today I chose this one finally.

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I wonder if that is to last a week, on the left, kind of a supplemental top up to the finnish families own food purchases, probably costs less than delivering the pic on the right daily to families in the uk. Be interesting to have a comparison of the cost of the finnish school meal schemes to the uk ones, I bet we in the uk are still paying a lot out for mediocre results back. [in terms of healthy nutrition for example]
The picture on the right is weekly not daily, and cost to the taxpayer is £18.50. I got my figures slightly wrong when I first posted.
It's the cost of Free School Meals + £3.50 extra per child, plus £3.50 for the companies labour, packing and distributions/delivery costs. I did think FSM budget was £15 a week, it isn't, it's £2.30 a day, therefore £11.50 a week + £3.50 + £3.50 = £18.50. Bear in mind the delivery is to the school in most cases, NOT to the childs home, so they will be delivering 100's at once.

I can't believe how some people are reacting to this, people (mainly without kids) saying how thankful people should be getting something free, totally missing the fact that the food pack is costing the taxpayer £18.50 a week, and it's terrible quality.

My daughter is entitled to them as Ellie is in year 2, but she told them not to bother, she's a very picky eater and she can afford to feed her so would prefer it to go elsewhere. The school phoned her this morning and said it was ready, she told them she didn't need it, but they said it would just go to waste, so she walked along for it, she got

loaf of cheap bread with a use by date of tomorrow, 2 pints green milk use by Sunday, 2 potatoes, 2 tins of own brand scotch broth, a tin of cheap tuna, tin of pek ham and 3 babybel, 3 tomatoes, 1 cucumber, 2 oranges, 3 pears, 2 apple and 2 bananas already brown.

Out of all that, if we were struggling, she would eat the apples, oranges, potato's few slices of bread and could probably, at a push, get through the milk. That cost £18.50. Whereas if they were giving £15 supermarket vouchers out, which were costing the government £12 (apparently), I could feed her for over a week, 2 proper meals a day with that, at a 35% reduction in cost.

I know some scummy parents were selling the vouchers, but theres always going to be some abuse in any scheme like this, but the majority weren't.

People are having to use foodbanks, literally begging for food to feed their kids, I just don't see the logic in going from something that costs less and lets you choose the food you buy, to something where the food is pre-picked. Not everyone likes everything, so at least you could buy what your child likes, rather than be forced to try to get them to eat stuff they don't.
 
Yeah, school lunches are "free" here (taxes)
Quality was a bit different between schools i went to (more kids worse quality) but overall it was not bad at all.
What was pretty kickass was that there was always a vegetarian alternative, so on days when the "normal" lunch was something you didnt like you could just opt for the vegerarian one.

Didnt really appreciate the food as a kid, but that had more to do with me being a picky eater as a kid and not because the food was bad.
The food they serve at Ikea kind of reminds me of school lunches in a way.
Nothing fancy, just decent quality&taste.

Edit: Heres a link if anyone wants to read about our communist school lunches. :p

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Interesting figures in that link, average cost per student £563 a year, but cost of ingredients £321, so £242 for the other costs involved. Typical that I cannot find a similar article in the uk, with that breakdown, and in averages to make a comparison.
 
Interesting figures in that link, average cost per student £563 a year, but cost of ingredients £321, so £242 for the other costs involved. Typical that I cannot find a similar article in the uk, with that breakdown, and in averages to make a comparison.
It varies in the UK. The cost is £2.30 a day, but the costs will vary as some schools have in house kitchens (they all should in my view), some subcontract the space out and some get the meals brought in. I could probably cook for 500 kids, decent meals with variations on the menu, for £1 or less a day based on ingredients only.

You would be surprised how little a decent meal for kids (or adults) can cost if you are cooking in bulk. Ellie's school is pretty good, they have in house meals, and the food is decent quality, with decent portion sizes.
 
The picture on the right is weekly not daily, and cost to the taxpayer is £18.50. I got my figures slightly wrong when I first posted.
It's the cost of Free School Meals + £3.50 extra per child, plus £3.50 for the companies labour, packing and distributions/delivery costs. I did think FSM budget was £15 a week, it isn't, it's £2.30 a day, therefore £11.50 a week + £3.50 + £3.50 = £18.50. Bear in mind the delivery is to the school in most cases, NOT to the childs home, so they will be delivering 100's at once.

I can't believe how some people are reacting to this, people (mainly without kids) saying how thankful people should be getting something free, totally missing the fact that the food pack is costing the taxpayer £18.50 a week, and it's terrible quality.

My daughter is entitled to them as Ellie is in year 2, but she told them not to bother, she's a very picky eater and she can afford to feed her so would prefer it to go elsewhere. The school phoned her this morning and said it was ready, she told them she didn't need it, but they said it would just go to waste, so she walked along for it, she got

loaf of cheap bread with a use by date of tomorrow, 2 pints green milk use by Sunday, 2 potatoes, 2 tins of own brand scotch broth, a tin of cheap tuna, tin of pek ham and 3 babybel, 3 tomatoes, 1 cucumber, 2 oranges, 3 pears, 2 apple and 2 bananas already brown.

Out of all that, if we were struggling, she would eat the apples, oranges, potato's few slices of bread and could probably, at a push, get through the milk. That cost £18.50. Whereas if they were giving £15 supermarket vouchers out, which were costing the government £12 (apparently), I could feed her for over a week, 2 proper meals a day with that, at a 35% reduction in cost.

I know some scummy parents were selling the vouchers, but theres always going to be some abuse in any scheme like this, but the majority weren't.

People are having to use foodbanks, literally begging for food to feed their kids, I just don't see the logic in going from something that costs less and lets you choose the food you buy, to something where the food is pre-picked. Not everyone likes everything, so at least you could buy what your child likes, rather than be forced to try to get them to eat stuff they don't.

wow I'm flabbergasted that is meant to be a week's supply of food in place of a free school meal, I assumed they'd separated the week's parcel into days and taken a pic, even then it would be poor.

There is something about rashford's approach which narks me however, kind of only looking in one direction for pinning the blame, if you decide to have kids you need to be able to afford to give them a quality of life rather than wasting money on sky tv subscriptions and latest tech gadgets, however circumstances can happen beyond people's control, and regardless children are on the receiving end through no fault of their own, so that is not acceptable. [we're supposed to be one of the wealthiest nations on earth]
 
wow I'm flabbergasted that is meant to be a week's supply of food in place of a free school meal, I assumed they'd separated the week's parcel into days and taken a pic, even then it would be poor.

There is something about rashford's approach which narks me however, kind of only looking in one direction for pinning the blame, if you decide to have kids you need to be able to afford to give them a quality of life rather than wasting money on sky tv subscriptions and latest tech gadgets, however circumstances can happen beyond people's control, and regardless children are on the receiving end through no fault of their own, so that is not acceptable. [we're supposed to be one of the wealthiest nations on earth]
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we have got a very consumer orientated society, with associated peer pressure, but I can only say what I'd do if I had children, cut back on all the periphery stuff to make sure they didn't go without essentials. I think back to the early 80's and many people had nothing really, if you tore your trouser knee it would have a patch sewn over it, you'd never see that nowadays. People were more frugal and sensible.
 
I mailed my youngest sister (stay at home mom mack) $150 gift card for the Stop n Shop Market week after xmas. Her husband works his ass off but they have 4 teenage boys and teenage boys are f'n food vacuums. I was just looking for something to do during the partial lockdown.
 
Mack when I was growing up my parents were proper poor, 2nd hand school uniform bits, occasional gas and/or leccy was off as they simply couldn't always pay it.

Me and my younger sister never went hungry though, ever. And my Dad had to sometimes do any job possible so he could to earn money, including odd jobs, selling balloons at fairs and carnivals etc

THey didnt ever quality or claim a penny in benefits, they were all but non existent in the 1970s
 
we have got a very consumer orientated society, with associated peer pressure, but I can only say what I'd do if I had children, cut back on all the periphery stuff to make sure they didn't go without essentials. I think back to the early 80's and many people had nothing really, if you tore your trouser knee it would have a patch sewn over it, you'd never see that nowadays. People were more frugal and sensible.
You wouldn't, but a lot of things are cheaper now too. My Dad had an ok job in the late 70's / early 80's and his take home was about £95. A cheap pair of jeans was £10-15. Now you can pick them up for a fiver and the same job would is paying roughly £350 a week.
Things were built to last too, I've still got a radio alarm next to my be that I got for about my 12th birthday, so its 40 years old, still works absolutely fine. Never replaced it as I don't need to. Try getting a cheap bit of electronics to last that long that you buy today.

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You found it on twitter? Fuck me sideways!
No but seriously I think thats the first thing I've seen you post on this thread I agree with.

If I was being picky, a phone and internet is essential now, and if you don't have broadband at home, then an unlimited data plan with a phone could be cheaper, if the whole family were using it.
 
You can get a free cell phone here in US. They're not great but better than nothing.

The program is called Lifeline , and it is able to provide a free cell phone and base level of service for individuals that meet the government standards, which requires a household to be at or below the 135 percent federal poverty line. There are ultimately two ways that you can qualify for the Lifeline Program .
 
wow I'm flabbergasted that is meant to be a week's supply of food in place of a free school meal, I assumed they'd separated the week's parcel into days and taken a pic, even then it would be poor.

There is something about rashford's approach which narks me however, kind of only looking in one direction for pinning the blame, if you decide to have kids you need to be able to afford to give them a quality of life rather than wasting money on sky tv subscriptions and latest tech gadgets, however circumstances can happen beyond people's control, and regardless children are on the receiving end through no fault of their own, so that is not acceptable. [we're supposed to be one of the wealthiest nations on earth]
I think people can be quick to judge too. You could be married, both half decent jobs, getting by, saving a little each money, being able to afford Christmas, a holiday once a year and all that, then, especially at the moment, you both lose your jobs out of the blue.
You both have a 24 month phone contract, you have £90 a month on sky and broadband, which you have a year left on, you don't really have a choice but to pay them, or screw your credit up for years to come, and as a lot of jobs credit check now, possibly hinder your chance of future employment. Same with your house, see people saying all the time, you shouldn't be skint, look at the house your in, but same thing applies, you buy what you can afford, if you rent somewhere for £900 a month and lose your job, you can't just up and leave next day, you have to wait till the lease ends, find somewhere else, including all the upfront costs, same if you own somewhere, it's not like you can sell it in a week!

Shit position to be in and you just have to do what you can if you find yourself in that position.

Mack when I was growing up my parents were proper poor, 2nd hand school uniform bits, occasional gas and/or leccy was off as they simply couldn't always pay it.

Me and my younger sister never went hungry though, ever. And my Dad had to sometimes do any job possible so he could to earn money, including odd jobs, selling balloons at fairs and carnivals etc

THey didnt ever quality or claim a penny in benefits, they were all but non existent in the 1970s

During the miners strike (Dad wasn't a miner then but was affected by it), we were so skint he used to go over the farmers field on a night and dig potatoes up so we had food to eat the next day. Hopefully no one will ever have to go through the poverty we saw around that time again. It was so bad, we knew someone who worked for one of the main high street building society's and at one point they would go into work and find 5-10 sets of house keys put through the door from people who were about to be repossessed and just got in first as they couldn't afford the mortgage any more.

Both. Morgan can make some good points but he is an egomaniac and a bully. Did you know that Morgan secretly jetted off over the xmas with his family to hot climes? It was covered up

Yeah, but he didn't break the rules, was surprised there wasn't more about it in the media though.
 
Interesting figures in that link, average cost per student £563 a year, but cost of ingredients £321, so £242 for the other costs involved. Typical that I cannot find a similar article in the uk, with that breakdown, and in averages to make a comparison.
Yeah, the average cost for ingredients is just 10sek per meal, which pretty much the same as Colin said (about £1)
All the schools i went to had kitchens where they prepared&cooked the food, but some get their food delivered and just warm it up.

I saw you mentioned hospital food aswell.
Thats crap here in Sweden aswell, unless you are in some private hospital.
Contracts go to those who offer to do it the cheapest, and food quality suffer because of it.

People usually complain that the food is better in our prisons than in the hospitals, and they are not wrong.
Didnt find a good video with english subtitles, but looking at this one you get the idea.
Thats a class 3 prison, so its a bit more relaxed there compared to other prisons.

Bonus: The lunch they make in the video is Fish&Chips. ;)
Dont worry, the chef is from England.

 
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I think people can be quick to judge too. You could be married, both half decent jobs, getting by, saving a little each money, being able to afford Christmas, a holiday once a year and all that, then, especially at the moment, you both lose your jobs out of the blue.
You both have a 24 month phone contract, you have £90 a month on sky and broadband, which you have a year left on, you don't really have a choice but to pay them, or screw your credit up for years to come, and as a lot of jobs credit check now, possibly hinder your chance of future employment. Same with your house, see people saying all the time, you shouldn't be skint, look at the house your in, but same thing applies, you buy what you can afford, if you rent somewhere for £900 a month and lose your job, you can't just up and leave next day, you have to wait till the lease ends, find somewhere else, including all the upfront costs, same if you own somewhere, it's not like you can sell it in a week!

Shit position to be in and you just have to do what you can if you find yourself in that position.

It is easy to be judgemental like a sun newspaper headline, when there are all sorts of circumstances/misfortune playing a role too. Even if you are careful with money you still will need a lot to cover all the basic costs. [esp with extra parenting ones]

In my early years we'd have 1 uk based holiday a year, but not everyone did and I bet there are children now who have had hardly any holidays. How do you go about resolving that, so all children have a decent to fair quality of life/start...
 
It is easy to be judgemental like a sun newspaper headline, when there are all sorts of circumstances/misfortune playing a role too. Even if you are careful with money you still will need a lot to cover all the basic costs. [esp with extra parenting ones]

In my early years we'd have 1 uk based holiday a year, but not everyone did and I bet there are children now who have had hardly any holidays. How do you go about resolving that, so all children have a decent to fair quality of life/start...
I don't think you can, short term. It's all about education and attitudes. I can point you at areas round here where people haven't worked in generations, certainly since the 80's and 90's when the heavy industry closed, shipyards, coal mines etc.
If thats how people are brought up, being told theres no jobs, then they believe there are no jobs, so whats the point of studying at school etc etc. Go back to the 50's and 60's some schools didn't even bother teaching the lads, they were going to leave school, go down the pit, on the shipyards, work at the steel factory etc. Why do they need to write or read? People don't believe that, but it happened, especially in the smaller pit villages.

If your Dad couldn't read or write, then he would tell you it was a waste of time. So you end up messing about at school, then the pattern follows. It's not quite that now obviously, but the attitude is still there in places. There's also the benefit culture. Some people treat it as their income, claiming they have a mental health problem, or are alcoholics/drug dependent so they get £150 a week PIP + all the other benefits. People see that and think, wow thats good, £300+ a week for sitting on my arse, thats more than I come out with working 30 hours a week, I'll have some of that. Again, if thats the attitude of your family, then what chance do you have of doing well yourself :(
 
It is easy to be judgemental like a sun newspaper headline, when there are all sorts of circumstances/misfortune playing a role too. Even if you are careful with money you still will need a lot to cover all the basic costs. [esp with extra parenting ones]

In my early years we'd have 1 uk based holiday a year, but not everyone did and I bet there are children now who have had hardly any holidays. How do you go about resolving that, so all children have a decent to fair quality of life/start...

My 1st ever holiday was at age 23. Admittedly it was a boom 10 days in Vegas which made up for my lack of previous enjoyment lol
 
I wonder if the govts in the comparatively, advanced countries of europe are sending out food parcels to parents because schools are closed due to lockdown?

Sweden, germany, belgium, finland...is this going on in your countries?

In a country with serious social problems, we seem to have a clueless govt and an even worse opposition waiting in the wings to replace them.

Majority of schools are open. We don't really have a program of school food, most people can pay for a couple of sandwiches for their kids tbh.
 
The USA has the cheapest food in the world, relative to incomes, the UK the second-cheapest. (i.e. the amount of average household income you use, as a percentage, to feed yourselves.) Now the food bank phenomenon needs some real examination. Sure, many are desperate and have delays in UC and gaps in income, maybe a bill to pay for a week or two for an emergency they have no savings for. Fair enough.
But you cannot tell me that once people lose the 'shame' of going to one, that some aren't using the service to free up money for luxuries like cigarettes at £10-odd a packet, or alcohol. It happens, a lot. Like the law of the roads - no matter how many we build, traffic will always expand to fill them and I get the feeling that this is pretty much the same with food banks. As most provide on a trust basis NQA, there will always be an element of exploitation - how much this is, is very hard to demonstrate.
 
The USA has the cheapest food in the world, relative to incomes, the UK the second-cheapest. (i.e. the amount of average household income you use, as a percentage, to feed yourselves.) Now the food bank phenomenon needs some real examination. Sure, many are desperate and have delays in UC and gaps in income, maybe a bill to pay for a week or two for an emergency they have no savings for. Fair enough.
But you cannot tell me that once people lose the 'shame' of going to one, that some aren't using the service to free up money for luxuries like cigarettes at £10-odd a packet, or alcohol. It happens, a lot. Like the law of the roads - no matter how many we build, traffic will always expand to fill them and I get the feeling that this is pretty much the same with food banks. As most provide on a trust basis NQA, there will always be an element of exploitation - how much this is, is very hard to demonstrate.
Pretty much all the foods banks are actually quite hard to access now, you need a referral from an outside agency. There are very few you can just wander in and grab your weeks shopping from. I'm not aware of any operating in my area who you can just walk into and get 'free' food.

Where are you getting the information that most are trust based, in speaking to people at a higher level in the trussell trust they tell me it's that way countrywide?
 
Oh super I’m back.

those that reported me really should just try talking to me, I’m pretty affable if given the chance.

rather than pressing a report button on the internet as what my opinions are certain folks dislike....

how old are we?..

Anyhow still working as a key worker in manchester (wonder how many whom reported me are key workers) ha

lovely apartment, great area etc..

sadly had to post my corona ‘fusion’ cooking over at North Korea, but normal service is resumed folks!

I’m in manchester tomorrow evening then back home the weekend,

so on here

‘ fusion corona cooking with playford’ will resume’

great to be back
 
Oh super I’m back.

those that reported me really should just try talking to me, I’m pretty affable if given the chance.

rather than pressing a report button on the internet as what my opinions are certain folks dislike....

how old are we?..

Anyhow still working as a key worker in manchester (wonder how many whom reported me are key workers) ha

lovely apartment, great area etc..

sadly had to post my corona ‘fusion’ cooking over at North Korea, but normal service is resumed folks!

I’m in manchester tomorrow evening then back home the weekend,

so on here

‘ fusion corona cooking with playford’ will resume’

great to be back
What is a bigger travesty is you haven't had the opportunity to keep the hard hat on and hit up some of those pub suggestions of mine in Manchester :p
 
Lots of published papers are finding that lockdowns do nothing to slow spread, but do untold damage in many other areas.

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Sorry Colin im back posting links :) But I do think these are proper articles, and do genuinely show why lockdown is a catastrophic policy.
Post all you like as long as you can back up what you say and we won't have a problem.
If lockdowns do nothing to stop the spread, can you explain why, every time we've had one, the cases, hospitalisations and deaths have dropped? Then every time we've relaxed restrictions, they have risen?
Don't talk about damage it does in jobs or anything as that isn't relevant, just what causes everything to drop then rise each time? A pattern thats shown pretty much worldwide.
 
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In new zealand their strict lockdowns meant only 25 died . In australia only 900 odd have died. Try telling them lockdowns do not work . Oh and because peoole actually do as they are asked, business as usual resumes soo much faster than here in the uk . Which means very few people lose jobs income or anything else.
 
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Of course lockdowns work with almost everything, if people lockdown even car accidents should be very near zero if only some essential key workers leave from home. Strict lockdown is just quite heavy tool to use and guess everyone have different opinions which level of lockdown is acceptable at which point and which not.

Any country haven't get rid of virus (some exceptions like islands where actual isolation can be quite easily done, like in Malta, just close airport and very few people can access here) with lockdowns but it's coming back after you stop it, many countries with most strict restrictions got their situation really bad after starting to release them, you would need to have some even half decent plan done what to do at what point, instead of having only one tool in your toolbox. Old saying is that if your only tool is hammer, all your problems start look nails, same with lockdown, by locking people to home, you can stop almost everything but in many cases is not a really optimal option.

Not referring to any particular country here but in general how lockdown as solution works. It's easy and short time effective but if you are not cabable to come out with anything else what work, then it's worth to think what could have done better that wouldn't end up to such situation that you have lock who population to their homes.
 
Lockdowns in some countries work. Countries like UK I would agree with those that say these lockdowns we are having are pointless.

I stay in Glasgow and cases went well up a few weeks after lockdown when if they worked should be the opposite.

For a Lockdown to be a great success it needs to be a proper Lockdown followed by everyone. That is why some countries it has worked.

But here in UK on a strict Lockdown basically many still work. Use public transport . Go to others houses or meet in groups outside.

Social distancing and even the wearing of masks many do not do.

So as long as we are in a country where the Lockdown rules are a sham and basically not even enforced then I would agree it is pointless.

Many businesses will fold. Many people are depressed . They have been pissing about with this Lockdown crap for nearly a year. If at the beginning they had closed everything. Enforced the lockdown properly and banned all people from holidays etc. Then maybe it would have worked.

But a year in and the whole thing is still a farce. Take Celtic that took their team on a winter break to Dubai last week. Noone else can go on holiday but they were allowed and came back with a player testing positive.

Things like that that make people go why bother when so many just do not give a damn.
 
Post all you like as long as you can back up what you say and we won't have a problem.
If lockdowns do nothing to stop the spread, can you explain why, every time we've had one, the cases, hospitalisations and deaths have dropped? Then every time we've relaxed restrictions, they have risen?
Don't talk about damage it does in jobs or anything as that isn't relevant, just what causes everything to drop then rise each time? A pattern thats shown pretty much worldwide.
IMO they only delay cases and deaths, but at great cost. Cost of jobs, health, mental health, and our childrens futures in a much financially poorer UK.
 
IMO they only delay cases and deaths, but at great cost. Cost of jobs, health, mental health, and our childrens futures in a much financially poorer UK.
Lockdowns with no endgame or plan of how to get out of them are merely delay tactics.

This lockdown, with vaccinations happening as we speak, could save thousands of lives. Ergo this lockdown is more justified than ever.
 
IMO they only delay cases and deaths, but at great cost. Cost of jobs, health, mental health, and our childrens futures in a much financially poorer UK.
Which is what they are meant to do, slow the virus spreading so local services don't become overloaded, until there is a way out of the situation, ie a vaccine.
So how have they not achieved that? Your post said they do nothing to slow the spread, now you are saying they delay it, surely slow it and delay it are the same thing?
 
Scientists say the vaccine provides 6 month's protection, so does that mean those millions getting theirs now are vulnerable again from about august onwards [coming into the next winter season] ?

If that is the case, I can see lockdowns being here all year in one form or another, the minus side [collateral damage] of the measures is just going to increase exponentially the longer life isn't back to normal [esp the unseen mental health harm]

Can children even meet up and play with friends, or is that forbidden?
 
Col, please don't be following this up with a "when you urinate too hard" pic.....:p
It was so frosty here early this morning that I watch a dog squat to take a wiz only to get his pride and joy frozen to the ground. The poor thing ran round and round howled while trying to free himself :(
 
Scientists say the vaccine provides 6 month's protection, so does that mean those millions getting theirs now are vulnerable again from about august onwards [coming into the next winter season] ?

If that is the case, I can see lockdowns being here all year in one form or another, the minus side [collateral damage] of the measures is just going to increase exponentially the longer life isn't back to normal [esp the unseen mental health harm]

Can children even meet up and play with friends, or is that forbidden?

Different scientists seem to say different things... I've read a couple of days ago they claimed that the antibodies after a natural infection would protect for atleast 10 months and they said a while ago that the protection a vaccine gives is much better and stronger so you'd think we're talking years then? Honestly I haven't been following up on the scientific side anymore, just reading some snippets here and there.
 
Scientists say the vaccine provides 6 month's protection, so does that mean those millions getting theirs now are vulnerable again from about august onwards [coming into the next winter season] ?

If that is the case, I can see lockdowns being here all year in one form or another, the minus side [collateral damage] of the measures is just going to increase exponentially the longer life isn't back to normal [esp the unseen mental health harm]

Can children even meet up and play with friends, or is that forbidden?
Thankfully, maybe thats the wrong word, once furlough ends and fiscal sanity returns to the government, and millions see what a complete and utter disaster they have caused, lockdowns will never EVER be an option again.
 
We received an sms here on the emergecy channel (the type says, kids kidnapped, nuclear war or tornado hitting your house now) - saying (new last day) measures - lockdown, stay home, punishable by law, essentials only)

Still, sadly, 'essentials' are' person specific' - no REAL indicators (half measures)

Mom just told me, small town ours/hers, a group of senior get-togethers, card players (dumb asses), caugtht it and spreead it, cases amongst their numbers and brought it home, eesh
 
We could have been in a much better place if the little sod wouldnt keep mutating, things were looking
pretty hopeful at one stage but the holiday break coinciding with the current mutation bump started the
infections again,hopefully its just a hiccup and we will get back on track to returning to something near
life before too long.
If we didnt have the vaccine the UK esp would be totally knackered as we dont seem to be prepared to
take the serious measures needed,we are buying time,just, but with no vaccine there would no point.

Got to give credit where it due, the vaccination rollout in the UK is very impressive, probably the best in the world
bearing in mind the massive amount of organization required,we got something right at last.
 
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