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I do remember you gleefully telling us things were so bad they built nightgale hospitals because there was makeshift mortuarys..remind me again how many patients ever went through the doors of one of these pop up hospitals...oh yeah NONE...another shit load of money spunked away by the gubermint.
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You know what is good for destroying business? The owner dying from Covid-19. Or loads of their customers. You know whats bad for mental health? Having someone you love or care about die from covid-19. You know whats bad for education? Having half the class off as someone caught Covid-19, disrupting lessons, or having the teacher die of it.
You know whats bad for everyone, sad little trolls who post complete shite then refuse to discuss it, like saying house parties are BLM protests, like saying '80 hospital admissions per million is normal if not below average for early January' then refusing to show where they got that data from, probably because it was just made up like everything else they post.
It's not that you have a different opinion, it's that you post complete lies, and the problem with that is, some people will believe you, and think it's ok to go out, do what they want, then start crying when their nana dies.
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Everyone's feelings are running high currently, we can call ourselves all the names under the sun and arrange fights, it won't resolve anything. Yes I am probably biased but dealer has been targeted for his views, which if you look at them are no real different to sweden's infection expert/in charge. This is not flat earth territory, this is standard textbook immunology and epidemiology policy pre 2020, what we have embarked on is a live experiment, no one can know the wisdom until we come out the other end.
Still I can see why colin and davey and others are passionate in their view, I try to understand it as maybe I'm missing something and should be four-square behind the govt's approach, that's part of the debate. The ignore button is the best option if you find yourself getting riled up to the point of profanities, I've been there myself and probably have pushed others near to that too
Still I can see why colin and davey and others are passionate in their view, I try to understand it as maybe I'm missing something and should be four-square behind the govt's approach, that's part of the debate. The ignore button is the best option if you find yourself getting riled up to the point of profanities, I've been there myself and probably have pushed others near to that too
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Another person who hasn’t got someone close working for the nhs doesn’t matter how much the government spunks or weather not a field hospital was used are you working in an ICU right now underpaid understaffed and overwhelmed? I thought not
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And here we go again when you cannot counter the argument made you resort to the ad hominem of attacking the person and ignore the point well done, so I am only allowed to state facts if I work in an ICU or have relatives that do? and facts are only truth if I work in an ICU or have relatives that do and if I don't facts are lies, you know how daft you sound.
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So can you link to where the UN says lockdowns have driven 270,000,000 to near-starvation please?
That was a fact you stated, but I can't find anything to back it up, and I've asked a couple of times for a link and you've ignored it.
Just to be clear, I'm not doing anything you've just said, I have no idea if that fact is true or not, as I genuinely can't find where you got it from, I can't find anything from the UN talking about what lockdowns have caused.
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Not by me he hasn't. I call him out for telling lies and posting fake news. It's dangerous.
Recent example
80 hospital admissions per million is normal if not below average for early January
Now, I don't actually know if thats true or not, but he posted it to imply hospitals aren't any busier than normal.
Here are the current Covid-19 hospital admissions per million, and that excludes normal admissions.
So 250% higher than he claims is normal (clearly NOT normal then), and thats ONLY Covid-19 admissions.
He's replied twice to me asking to link to the data, and both times shown something completely different.
Thats why I pull him on things. His lies and fake news. Nothing to do with his views at all.
Just also to say, I'm presuming it's weekly as that seems to be the way they are reported, but as he didn't say then it's just guesswork.
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Sorry to interject but maybe things need to cool down a bit with the thread being locked until the morning? Dion has tried to calm things diplomatically and it has not seemed to work.
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Missed this, sorry. Over half NHS staff are non clinical, so thats a massive difference, think theres only 650000 clinical staff (thats without checking so might not be exactly right). But that includes people like Midwives, mental health nurses, staff like that who have absolutely no ICU training. You couldn't ask them to work in ICU as they wouldn't have a clue what to do.
Hospitals are set up in the way you suggest, you would rarely, if ever, get cancer patients on a ward with people on ventilators as they have flu, for example. So the cross contamination should, in theory, be low.
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I realize (truly) y'all hate me saying this >
Play nice, be civil, refer to posting rules, yeah?
Reports, PMs, tags...it's tiring
NOONE WANTS to be the ogre
Y'all might think 'Dio's the dick'
Tougher than you realize.
Havent in TWO years dropped an infraction.
We had a Bryan dedicated thread
Just...play nice
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On topic
Had an electrican over tonight
Put my mask on
He's all *hit, sorry, man
I'm all, I'm ok
He's all, good, i dont wear mine
Good, yes. Common courtesy
Bad, because, I see the very, very, easy slide
Had an electrican over tonight
Put my mask on
He's all *hit, sorry, man
I'm all, I'm ok
He's all, good, i dont wear mine
Good, yes. Common courtesy
Bad, because, I see the very, very, easy slide
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I am doing my utmost to avoid confrontations in this forum now but I have found it quite easy. I no longer have such an emotional investment in the forum that I once had and opinions are like arseholes. I spent 4 or so years without any issue in here and then Covd, the American election/NK thread and Brexit all collided to make this forum the perfect storm for conflict and venting frustrations.I realize (truly) y'all hate me saying this >
Play nice, be civil, refer to posting rules, yeah?
Reports, PMs, tags...it's tiring
NOONE WANTS to be the ogre
Y'all might think 'Dio's the dick'
Tougher than you realize.
Havent in TWO years dropped an infraction.
We had a Bryan dedicated thread
Just...play nice
I hope that nobody gets banned and I don't think that anyone thinks that you are a "Dick".
Keep your chin up bud.
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A rough year, brother
2020 impacted everyone..whether grossly, subtly or indirectly....it crept in...like the plague it is/was (and not even meaning corona)
Lockdown, job losses, freedoms, liberties, elections, family, friends, mental health, physical health...absorbing the impact around us
It, simply, infiltrated our lives
But we've grown. We've learned
We can ALL be better
To a better, brighter 2021
It didnt even kill, my blackened soul (though maybe that's a @ternur reference)
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2020 impacted everyone..whether grossly, subtly or indirectly....it crept in...like the plague it is/was (and not even meaning corona)
Lockdown, job losses, freedoms, liberties, elections, family, friends, mental health, physical health...absorbing the impact around us
It, simply, infiltrated our lives
But we've grown. We've learned
We can ALL be better
To a better, brighter 2021
It didnt even kill, my blackened soul (though maybe that's a @ternur reference)
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I thought that was one of the reasons given by the govt for postponing tests and treatments, to stop those patients [say with cancer] from a risk of exposure to covid?
The point about the size of workforce is money is obviously there for a gigantic bureacracy when it would be better spent on hiring and training more nurses and docs, I remember looking at the proportions of admin to clinical staff for when the nhs was set up, it was massively different iirc, and with computers and years of knowhow we should require less admin expense and layers of expensive management now not more.
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Totally agree. The money wasted in the NHS is ridiculous.
I was talking to a doctor on a mental health ward a year or so ago, and the stories he was telling me were horrendous.
If a bulb goes in say the toilet, it obviously needs replacing as quickly as possible, especially overnight. They used to be able to just get a bulb out the cupboard, and change it in a couple of minutes.
Then they had to get someone from estates management out, which could involve calling someone out if it was outside working hours. So the cost went from 50p or so for the bulb, to around £40 the ward had to pay estates.
Now (or certainly last year) maintenance has been contracted out, so now they have to call a third party company out to do it, which was costing them around £175 for an out of hours call out. To replace a light bulb.
Loads of other things he told me.
Covid is different, in that its more infectious, and there are too many patients to contain the spread. I think Sunderland has 6 wards full at the moment, which is more than cancer, chest and heart wards usually use together. I am fairly sure most routine appointments have been going ahead for around 6 months now though, and they never completely stopped, although were certainly reduced during the first lockdown.
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This new lockdown is tough. I know some people who are going to really struggle with this from a mental health perspective. My own son I moved over from the EU to live with me 2 and half years ago. He was diagnosed with recurrent psychotic disorder a few years ago. It took me and his MH team 18 long months to get him settled and on the right medications. Which have in many ways been a game changer. Anyone who knows someone with this type of illness will know exactly what I mean by the above.
Fast forward early last year he took his first step to joining a local gym. Which was huge for him. Doing it himself, working out - something to do in his day as he can not work and his studies were destroyed by his illness (straight A student in Denmark before he got sick)
Then when lock downs came his gym closed and it hit him hard. Finally things started to re open he started to settle more - as his anxiety levels got much worse on lockdown as his freedoms were curtailed.
Just before the Christmas holidays he started getting back into the gym - it really helped his mental outlook. He went this morning - full of energy - and happy to be back. Now tonight had to break the news to him that yet again his Gym is closed due to lockdown. He does not understand much on the seriousness of the situation and to be honest I have at times sheilded him or tried to from the worst news. I could see the devestation in his face and he has not believed me that the gym wont open tomorrow. He said he will walk over tomorrow to double check. Which I will let him do so he sees it for himself. But it got to me seeing him that way. He also has been unable to travel for over a year to see his family and mother back in Denmark as we could not risk him getting stuck over there with potential lockdowns as he needs access to his meds and blood tests weekly.
So this whole situation affects people on many different levels - and its not just about how bad our Health care system in the UK is being hit but the outer affects it can have on people. Me personally I keep strong and know if I was living alone I would wing it and make the best of it. But I have my son as a responsabilty. Its hard on him again now and I know its hard on many many others struggling with similar isssues. God knows where this all ends but I fuckng hope it ends soon!
Stay safe everyone.
Fast forward early last year he took his first step to joining a local gym. Which was huge for him. Doing it himself, working out - something to do in his day as he can not work and his studies were destroyed by his illness (straight A student in Denmark before he got sick)
Then when lock downs came his gym closed and it hit him hard. Finally things started to re open he started to settle more - as his anxiety levels got much worse on lockdown as his freedoms were curtailed.
Just before the Christmas holidays he started getting back into the gym - it really helped his mental outlook. He went this morning - full of energy - and happy to be back. Now tonight had to break the news to him that yet again his Gym is closed due to lockdown. He does not understand much on the seriousness of the situation and to be honest I have at times sheilded him or tried to from the worst news. I could see the devestation in his face and he has not believed me that the gym wont open tomorrow. He said he will walk over tomorrow to double check. Which I will let him do so he sees it for himself. But it got to me seeing him that way. He also has been unable to travel for over a year to see his family and mother back in Denmark as we could not risk him getting stuck over there with potential lockdowns as he needs access to his meds and blood tests weekly.
So this whole situation affects people on many different levels - and its not just about how bad our Health care system in the UK is being hit but the outer affects it can have on people. Me personally I keep strong and know if I was living alone I would wing it and make the best of it. But I have my son as a responsabilty. Its hard on him again now and I know its hard on many many others struggling with similar isssues. God knows where this all ends but I fuckng hope it ends soon!
Stay safe everyone.
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200 per million in a week is not a cause for alarm, its nothing !!! If it was 50,000 per million we would have that thing called.... a pandemic.
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Vaccines going well. SA strain cant beat them, and this lol
Lets lockdown forever and never see anyone again. Over and out
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So where did you get your 80 per million figure from? And 200 is 250% higher than what you said was normal.
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Quote from the first article: "An autopsy is expected to take place later today or tomorrow."
Clickbait for now.
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You laugh out loud at someone dying?
Shows what you are doesn't it.
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I do remember months back reading one of the reasons why a vaccine has never been successfully created for the coronavirus family of viruses is they mutate and change so much, I think Harry mentioned that too.
Last week Pfizer said no problem we can just adjust the formula/strain to match the kent mutation [no pun
], but how many different vaccines can you keep giving people if they've just now had the previous pfizer one.
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I thought the reason was that they weren't dangerous to us, so there was no need for a vaccine.I do remember months back reading one of the reasons why a vaccine has never been successfully created for the coronavirus family of viruses is they mutate and change so much, I think Harry mentioned that too.
Last week Pfizer said no problem we can just adjust the formula/strain to match the kent mutation [no pun
It's similar to the flu vaccine, in that it can be changed, as and when needed, but I agree with you, and it's something I haven't seen answered, if theres a new strain, what happens if the vaccines are ineffective, will everyone need doing again? I've also not seen if they have clarified how long they should last for. It's going to be quite some vaccination program if it needs boosters every year!
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You as well and sorry for your struggles - I hope this year yields better results for your family
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I watching a video of good ol'e Boris on the lockdown. Man he looks stressed.
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Thanks and I hope for everyone this year we start at some point to climb out of this dark hole.
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And they weren’t used because lockdown worked, so you are just proving that it’s sensible to have a lockdown.
And this time round , now that the cases are starting to rocket , lockdown will hopefully stop the NHS from collapsing.
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Trophy wife, new baby, worldwide pandemic.......but you know what they say.....if you cant stand the heat.
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Dont mind opposing views and a bit of banter but the tone of the last few pages is hardly productive,lets all
be adult and get back to what is important and leave the playground comments out of it, threats to sort each
other out is well out of order.I understand we are all frustrated and our views will depend on how we are affected
personally by the virus.
Hang in there, the Gov has at last seen sense and is implimenting the measures needed and we are a world leader in the number of people being
vaccinated,there is light at the end of the tunnel.
be adult and get back to what is important and leave the playground comments out of it, threats to sort each
other out is well out of order.I understand we are all frustrated and our views will depend on how we are affected
personally by the virus.
Hang in there, the Gov has at last seen sense and is implimenting the measures needed and we are a world leader in the number of people being
vaccinated,there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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He could brush his hair like, the disrespectful twat
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I think that it is way too early to attribute the deaths reported so far as being caused by the vaccines. Elderly dying within days of getting it proves nothing and nor does a few relatively young people dying prove anything out of the already millions who have had it. I am not fan of this vax but I am open to being proven wrong.
Given that these vaccines may not be able to deal with these new strains I think that it is time to take another look at these alternative treatments as a preventative measure and a measure to treat either those who have signs of having covid early as well as those that they have been in contact with.
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Not saying your comment was aimed at me but i hope not to offend.
My playground attitude stems from childish nature and my contempt with my government and i probably would have a more constructive convo if i met Mr Johnson in person.
Edit: On a serious note, Hurrah for vaccinating more than others but did we not need to? Have we not spent enough to justify it?
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Wasnt aiming comments at anyone, didnt see even who said what, just saying those comments are not
needed in a discussion about something as serious as this.Lets just look forward to better times.
The contempt for politicians is quite understandable, something we have in common.
needed in a discussion about something as serious as this.Lets just look forward to better times.
The contempt for politicians is quite understandable, something we have in common.
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How lockdowns in other European countries compare to the UK's
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Daily Brief: UK exceeds 60,000 new Covid cases in a day for the first time
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there were over 80000 on the 29th December by specimen date
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Anyone who's watching the press conference, do you think Vicki will be in the same plot as JVT in a few days 
They really didn't like her questions haha
They really didn't like her questions haha
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And isn't it ironic that your very first post started 'Anyone concerned about the Chinese flu virus'.Who could have predicted almost a year later exactly how worried everyone would be (well the sensible ones amongst us anyway) and the dramatic impact it would have on all our lives.
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Alas - Covid has managed to find its way back to the IOM, we've had a couple of people test positive AFTER they completed their 14 day self-isolation, and unfortunately they spent their first weekend following isolation basically going everywhere (pubs, cafes, restaurants, casino etc). They did nothing wrong but it does now look like we have some community spread.
(This happened just before we changed our isolation rules to 21 days and a final test before a person was permitted to re-enter the community, so we've been rather unfortunate in that regard.)
There are currently eleven positive cases that we know of, with seven discovered in the past day, in response we're going into a three week national lockdown effective tomorrow, and our border alert level is raised to the maximum of 5 (from the previous level of 4).
The first lockdown worked well, and we originally declared Covid-free at the end of June last year - at which point life returned to normal - and have remained there ever since. It's a shame to have another lockdown but the first one was well observed and rigorously enforced by the police (a few people ended up in jail), with widespread support from the public, so I am optimistic that this new lockdown will achieve its goal and we can get back to a Covid-free island in due course.
(This happened just before we changed our isolation rules to 21 days and a final test before a person was permitted to re-enter the community, so we've been rather unfortunate in that regard.)
There are currently eleven positive cases that we know of, with seven discovered in the past day, in response we're going into a three week national lockdown effective tomorrow, and our border alert level is raised to the maximum of 5 (from the previous level of 4).
The first lockdown worked well, and we originally declared Covid-free at the end of June last year - at which point life returned to normal - and have remained there ever since. It's a shame to have another lockdown but the first one was well observed and rigorously enforced by the police (a few people ended up in jail), with widespread support from the public, so I am optimistic that this new lockdown will achieve its goal and we can get back to a Covid-free island in due course.
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I'm no math's wizard but if 1 in 50 people in England have covid at the moment and it goes within something like 14 days then how many have had it in total during this last 10-12 months or so? And what does that say about herd immunity?
And the WHO stated just a few days ago that there is no evidence that taking the vaccination will prevent you from contracting it and being able to pass it on
And the WHO stated just a few days ago that there is no evidence that taking the vaccination will prevent you from contracting it and being able to pass it on
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Go on blame me,it was only a simple question, should never have asked it, I did post early on I had a feeling that this virus was a bit
different, one day I will learn to keep my big gob shut
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So covid manages to get on to the IOM again, yet Boris Shitty and Unbalanced thinks lockdown will work with a population of 67,000,000.
Definition of insanity in perfect illustration.
Still feck the 3,000,000 that still havnt received any income for 12 months, dont worry about the 1,500,000 cancers growing undetected, sod the fatal heart disease of 10,000s untreated. Oh and 300% suicide increase, fuck em they were unstable anyway probably, children's futures, well said Whitty I will be retired by the time it comes out I fucked their futures.
Lets lockdown again even though it will do nothing to reduce the numbers, if anything increase transmission.
Einstein would be so proud of this government's intelligence, he was quoted as saying, repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the best course of action.
Definition of insanity in perfect illustration.
Still feck the 3,000,000 that still havnt received any income for 12 months, dont worry about the 1,500,000 cancers growing undetected, sod the fatal heart disease of 10,000s untreated. Oh and 300% suicide increase, fuck em they were unstable anyway probably, children's futures, well said Whitty I will be retired by the time it comes out I fucked their futures.
Lets lockdown again even though it will do nothing to reduce the numbers, if anything increase transmission.
Einstein would be so proud of this government's intelligence, he was quoted as saying, repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the best course of action.
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It seems that the BMJ dont agree that Suicides have risen by 300% , or maybe they have it wrong?
And I know factually that NI rates in 2020 were at a similar level with 2019 rates, but maybe they got it wrong as well....
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And I know factually that NI rates in 2020 were at a similar level with 2019 rates, but maybe they got it wrong as well....
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So cancer research UK states that there are roughly 367000 new cancer cases per year.
Assuming there hasn't been a single one detected in 2020 (which I know isn't true) that means you are saying for some reason, in 9 months, there have been 5 times as many as usual.
Why would 3000000 people not be getting any income? Link to these figures please? If you are employed you would get furlough, self employed business grants and loans, and the odd ones who fall through the cracks can get Universal Credit in almost all cases.
Where are you getting that there has been a 300% increase in suicides? Nothing I have seen suggests anywhere close to that figure.
We have had 2 lockdowns, both times all figures have decreased, as has been the case pretty much worldwide, so they have worked previously. Wheres the evidence a lockdown will increase transmission?
You are an absolute disgrace posting shite like this on here day after day.
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Lockdowns work when they're done in a timely fashion, when they are implemented and explained by a competent government, when they are observed, when they are policed, when the public are supportive, and when they are done in conjunction with other measures such as closing the borders. (All of which apply to the IOM.)
We had just seven positive tests in 24 hours, the government responded by announcing a three week lockdown, and make no mistake, it will be observed, and it will be enforced. The police are very much in 'advise and assist' mode but if someone really fucks about or refuses to do their bit to help our community by following a few simple rules, they will be arrested and ultimately, potentially end up in jail.
It's also by doing it like this that the rest of the health service can carry on functioning in a relatively normal manner, by stopping the health service being overwhelmed by Covid patients. (And I'm really not going to get into the debate about whether or not the NHS in the UK is under extreme pressure or not at the moment.)
I'm not happy we're back in lockdown on the IOM, but we had nearly seven months of totally normal living thanks to our first lockdown. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, theatres, gyms, sports centres, social centres etc - all open 100% as normal since the end of June last year. And we got that off the back of an original lockdown that basically killed Covid on the island, because if it can't spread to anyone, the people who are infected either recover, or in some cases, very sadly, die. Once the virus has nowhere to go, it ceases to exist.
We'll get there again, and we'll all do our bit to help as part of our extended island community.
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Thought first to got in NK thread, stay home or get to jail sounded so much their method
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So what's your solution?
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Einstein would not have been so proud of your quote, Einstein
- He actually defined insanity as 'doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results'.Complete opposite of what you said although i get what you are trying to say.
This is different. These are basically vaccine live trials. The vaccines are different each time, not the same and expecting different results and the lockdowns are necessary to limit the spread. Although if they were handled better they would be more effective as seen in other countries.
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Thread locked until I am convinced thread is worthy of this great forum. Really, I can't believe how some of you are behaving. The volatile garbage being spewed by a few is just mind boggling. You know better.
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