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Rubbish.
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Shameful how badly the UK has responded to the Coronavirus. Both its government and some of its citizens the way the rules have been discarded.
Not sure but im hearing the countries that have coped better are waiting on vaccines because their in a position to do so, anyone read similar? Nice position to be in. Hardly any cases to worry about and the ability to watch the countries who are failing test the waters.
Not sure but im hearing the countries that have coped better are waiting on vaccines because their in a position to do so, anyone read similar? Nice position to be in. Hardly any cases to worry about and the ability to watch the countries who are failing test the waters.
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Wonder if London will be in Tier 3 next week, not sure why they aren't now tbh, considering how high the figures are. They are higher now than a lot of tier 3 places were when they went into it.
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Hospitals are less busy than this time last year. There is no pandemic. WTF is wrong with everyone!!! We are destroying our way of life!!!
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There is no pandemic??? Are you for real ? Tell that to all the families who have lost their loved ones to covid.
Lockdowns work . They save lives .
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Source for the data you are using to post these comments? What does that even mean, 1730 cancers are missed every single day?
Whats your source for claiming hospitals are quieter now than a year ago, as far as I'm aware, there is no recently released data on hospital occupancy, I was actually looking for that a couple of days ago, so a link would be appreciated.
Still waiting for you to answer why you posted a video of police breaking up a house party 5 months ago and implying it was a recent BLM protest?
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So you quote a post where you were asked a few questions but answer exactly none of them.
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Enh...not keen to share
My stance hasnt ever changed
Corona hit our family circle this week
Wear a mask. Keep ya distance. Don't be a dick
My stance hasnt ever changed
Corona hit our family circle this week
Wear a mask. Keep ya distance. Don't be a dick
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Don't see anything in your Daily Mail link that mentions cancer.
Don't see anything in that that explains why you posted a video of a house party and claimed it was a BLM protest.
The beds is comparing a specific period this year to a 5 year average, which was low due to the winters being mild. Plus, as many older people are either not going out, or being careful and wearing masks, therefore the flu rate is likely to be much lower than the 5 year average.
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[mail 8 nov]"At least three million people are waiting for screening while around 350,000 have not had the urgent referrals they needed this year.
Experts estimate there are 50,000 patients with undiagnosed cancer due to Covid-19 chaos in the NHS – a backlog which could take up to 18 months to tackle in England alone.
Backing came from top clinicians such as Professor Peter Selby, of the Association of Cancer Physicians, and Dr Jeanette Dickson, president of The Royal College of Radiologists:
1.The public must feel confident if they have suspected cancer symptoms, they will receive a diagnosis swiftly and safely.
2. Health systems need to have ‘Covid-protected’ safe spaces so that cancer patients can be cared for with minimal risk of exposure to Covid-19.
3.There must be frequent and rapid Covid-19 testing for all patient-facing NHS staff in primary and secondary care.
4.We need measures in place to maximise service capacity, including use of the independent sector where needed.
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And there you have it. Not saying people are not missing out on care and treatment (although my neighbour has had no issues getting his radiotherapy treatment) but i was waiting for the spin on private medical companies being a necessity.
Hospitals and centres for care can be built and up and running in a few weeks. Its happened and is not impossible but they would rather line the pockets of the private sector again than fund the NHS. Im afraid the NHS is being set up to fail, again.
No! We do not need the help of the private sector!
We need the NHS to be supported.
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imo I doubt those two clinicians are interested in spinning things to help the private sector make some profit. [although I recognise there are a lot interested in doing so, lobbying for this or that private concern]
If the argument provided by the govt [for halting nhs services] was lack of capacity to deal with covid alongside the standard range of conditions, then they needed to procure extra capacity in the short term, this could have been in order to provide the separation mentioned in point 2.
In the long term the NHS does need more funding on things that make a difference to the user, but also less bureaucratic waste, govts of both colours have failed in this regard.
Also PPP and PFI have sucked billions out of budgets:
An initial £13bn of private sector-funded investment in new hospitals will end up costing the NHS in England a staggering £80bn by the time all contracts come to an end, the IPPR thinktank has found.
Some trusts are having to spend as much as one-sixth of their entire budget on repaying debts due as a result of the PFI scheme. PFI was introduced by John Major’s Conservative government but its use proliferated in the Blair era .
“Toxic PFI contracts are still driving billions away from patients and into private bank accounts,” said Chris Thomas, an IPPR health fellow, who carried out the research.
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On the subject of PFI - i know up here there have been discussions about buying the contractors out of the PFI deals early: from the initial thought process through to delivery they've been a shit show in the main - there was an audit report out relatively recently that had the interest rates sitting at 14%, when borrowing from the Treasury would have been 6% etc and a real criticism that folk didn't even think about what they were signing off on (maybe their pals were in the private sector - leave that one hanging...)
Even the schools though - doubt we'll see these current ones standing for the 100 years like their predecessors; be handed back by the contractors just in time for when the maintenance costs go through the roof - funny that.
We had to look at one of the schools PFI deals for example. Not being facetious when i say there were things like 'Add picnic table for 400 quid', when you could go to B and Q and get one for 50.
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Admittedly i am very suspicious of anything to do with the private sector.
Privatisation has cost our country in the long run and just made a select few rich along the way and i hate to see the NHS being run into the ground like a listed building being left to rot so it can be turned into development land.
I wouldnt mind if, in the short term, the private sector provided a discount due to the crisis but they will see it as an opportunity to rape the budget and the politicians will justify it, whereas the sensible thing to do for the long term and the benefit of the nation is put the money into the NHS and cut all the bureaucracy set up to run it down.
The housing sector is the same. Councils own nothing anymore, its all privately owned by housing associations who are ripped off by contractors every day.
Privatisation has cost our country in the long run and just made a select few rich along the way and i hate to see the NHS being run into the ground like a listed building being left to rot so it can be turned into development land.
I wouldnt mind if, in the short term, the private sector provided a discount due to the crisis but they will see it as an opportunity to rape the budget and the politicians will justify it, whereas the sensible thing to do for the long term and the benefit of the nation is put the money into the NHS and cut all the bureaucracy set up to run it down.
The housing sector is the same. Councils own nothing anymore, its all privately owned by housing associations who are ripped off by contractors every day.
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Totally agree, and I would not be in favour of paying bupa top dollar etc..especially when most of their consultants are NHS employees, I was thinking more of a requisition style approach as they did in war times.
Privatisation in this country hasn't been a blinding success, just a route down crony capitalism and private monopolies. I know the conservatives and blairites would argue it wasn't possible to reform things like british rail and royal mail, the only option was letting a private company take over, but not sure if that is correct. BT hasn't been bad in truth I feel, although we're now all subsidising their football tv channels one way or the other. [then that pays out stupid obscene wages for kicking a ball]
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Patchy to say least; you think some areas would lend itself to it more but even down in your area you see local authorities trying to hand back 30 year Biffa deals for waste collection etc. Even up here we’ve seen the largest local authority pull its social work services back in house due to massive care issues
Scotland, being a socialist utopia
, has an undercurrent of wanting to fully nationalise like it’s 1978 One of the major issues IMO with some of these things is that, with all respect to public sector bodies, you’re asking them to stand toe to toe with commercially savvy, profit driven folk; and they’re rarely going to win that fight.
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Bamber did you watch that bbc program a month back about the part rent part buy set-up, what a scam that is, unaffordable housing it turned out to be. The cladding also another issue still going on, who picks up the bill to remove or replace it.
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Not seen it, ill have a look, thanks.
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A sobering reminder from Sweden as to how dangerous the virus is, and also a clear warning that it would have been ruinous for the UK to go down the same path with its much poorer underlying health and higher population density in many places.
Also, Norway had their lockdown, Sweden didn't, and yet some people will still try to say with a straight face that lockdowns don't work.
Plus, no herd immunity.
Also, Norway had their lockdown, Sweden didn't, and yet some people will still try to say with a straight face that lockdowns don't work.
Plus, no herd immunity.
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In this the swedish way is just plain stupid. 
Of course there was never going to be any herd immunity, but the ones in charge are imbecilles.
Of course there was never going to be any herd immunity, but the ones in charge are imbecilles.
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So we will go into tier 3 here in london because people will not stick to rules. The same people who will moan that it affects businesses but fail to see they caused it.
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I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't though, the way Boris protects London. It should be in Tier 3 now, the review dates were to see if area's could be downgraded, upgrades were supposed to happen at any point. London is now higher than a lot of places were when they went into Tier 3, therefore London should have been placed in that Tier by now.
That can't be true, its only recently @dealer wins was posting stuff he copied from facebook stating how we should have followed Sweden.
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My Fiancee dad (father in law) died in hospital on Wednesday morning so tough. He had battle with cancer for many years and diabetes but was doing okay until he was taken to hospital. He was tested negativ in a temp carehome and also in hospital the first couple days until last Friday he was tested positive. Can get more heart breaking than this catch covid in the hospital and later die from it. She also lost her stepdad 6 months ago who died from cancer after they found out he was gone 3 months later. I am in a total shock condition but trying to be strong for my fiancee. Stay safe everyone.
Her dad was 76 by the way. Also she went to look after her stepmum as well 80 miles away, so i am living in our falt on my own for over 1 month only seeing her few hours its so tough not even been able to give her hugs.
Her dad was 76 by the way. Also she went to look after her stepmum as well 80 miles away, so i am living in our falt on my own for over 1 month only seeing her few hours its so tough not even been able to give her hugs.
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Its my special day today but I aint feeling grat. First, my kidney function is deteriorating rapidly and I cannot consume the goodies I used to have on this very day every year. On the coronavirus, I am absolutely gobsmacked at its handling by our government. Days ago, we were told no vaccines will arrive until at least the end of 2021 though we have plenty of money. Then we are suddenly told they had procured millions of doses of 2 vaccines, one of which is Pfizer. Now we are told this is not Pfizer though the company had a hand in developing the vaccine. Later we are told the vaccines cannot prevent people getting infected but can only help those infected from developing serious complications. So the virus will still be with us for quite some time while hopefully the rest of the world gets back on track.
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Could somebody advise which website could look UK restrictions (which location is in what etc...yes, i don't know how to google and most accurate source would be welcome)?
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Trucks Carrying First U.S. Coronavirus Vaccines Depart Pfizer’s Michigan Plant
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There are no 'winners and losers' when it comes to Covid, ultimately it is leading to suffering death in every country where it remains prevalent, and many European nations have been hit hard by it, however it is perhaps worth remembering that the 'Swedish model' many folks have advocated for, has become very badly unstuck.
This would have resulted in absolute carnage in the UK.
Still, I'm sure there's a random Karen on Facebook somewhere who knows better.
This would have resulted in absolute carnage in the UK.
Still, I'm sure there's a random Karen on Facebook somewhere who knows better.
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Here in the north of Sweden we have developed a technique that allows us to hide from the virus.
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Been in manchester the past 2 weeks at work.
this is tier 3.
I’m sharing a quayside flat with 2 others for work, when we go on site it’s like this virus isn’t even a thing..
We are not in any silly bubble, nor at work do we adhere to the nonsense of 2m or masks as the job would be impossible.
compared to Middlesbrough manchester is super relaxed, no idiotic lines outside supermarkets or chemists with sheep...
It’s just in and out as normal.
yes they wear the mask (I won’t and have not for weeks)
same for the takeaways, can happily sit and eat in without the threat of the Chinese virus taking my life within minutes..
returned home last Friday about 4 after proving my essential key worker engineering talents to the masses only to find my local chemist had a rule of only 2 allowed in at a time, the line was longer than a @ChopleyIOM brexit rant (it’s no deal btw)
so waited 40 minutes to get inside the building as clearly the old kung flu was waiting knuckle duster in hand... then 20 minutes for a few pain killers to be dispensed...
in the same day my daughter is safe at school to mix and play with hundreds outside of the idiotic bubbles, I can attend the gym full of panting roid heads and fat women pretending they are losing weight..
I can also attend any big name supermarket no questions asked...
yet should this be a corner shop the good old sweet and sour no 47 would await me..
Haha sod off, I’ve never seen such utter nonsense in all my life and I’ve seen Jeremy corbyn attempt to become a PM!..
with survival rates so high the real scary thing is the amount of morons whom buy into this utter load of codswallop!
that said I done me and my daughter a superb mince and dumplings earlier so will post a corona cooking, it’s more deadly than the bloody silly virus ha!
this is tier 3.
I’m sharing a quayside flat with 2 others for work, when we go on site it’s like this virus isn’t even a thing..
We are not in any silly bubble, nor at work do we adhere to the nonsense of 2m or masks as the job would be impossible.
compared to Middlesbrough manchester is super relaxed, no idiotic lines outside supermarkets or chemists with sheep...
It’s just in and out as normal.
yes they wear the mask (I won’t and have not for weeks)
same for the takeaways, can happily sit and eat in without the threat of the Chinese virus taking my life within minutes..
returned home last Friday about 4 after proving my essential key worker engineering talents to the masses only to find my local chemist had a rule of only 2 allowed in at a time, the line was longer than a @ChopleyIOM brexit rant (it’s no deal btw)
so waited 40 minutes to get inside the building as clearly the old kung flu was waiting knuckle duster in hand... then 20 minutes for a few pain killers to be dispensed...
in the same day my daughter is safe at school to mix and play with hundreds outside of the idiotic bubbles, I can attend the gym full of panting roid heads and fat women pretending they are losing weight..
I can also attend any big name supermarket no questions asked...
yet should this be a corner shop the good old sweet and sour no 47 would await me..
Haha sod off, I’ve never seen such utter nonsense in all my life and I’ve seen Jeremy corbyn attempt to become a PM!..
with survival rates so high the real scary thing is the amount of morons whom buy into this utter load of codswallop!
that said I done me and my daughter a superb mince and dumplings earlier so will post a corona cooking, it’s more deadly than the bloody silly virus ha!
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I see dealer wins has now got to the Brasseye level of debate.
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The TL: DR synopsis of this post is 'this is part of the reason why transmission rates remain stubbornly high in many parts of the UK'.
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I've spoken to 5 year olds who have a better understanding of this than he does.
@dealer wins still waiting to find out why a house party has anything to do with BLM?
Why do you want the UK to have hospitals that are full and not enough staff in hospitals to cope?
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Trump working hard to do the best thing for America.
(In fairness, the golf course is probably the safest place for him to be, as he can't do much damage there, apart from to his opponents as he is a notoriously terrible cheater at the game.)
(In fairness, the golf course is probably the safest place for him to be, as he can't do much damage there, apart from to his opponents as he is a notoriously terrible cheater at the game.)
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Unfortunately in our country, there are still cases and the main problem is not the Coronavirus but the citizen itself. Some of our people are not disciplined and always ignoring the precautions. I hope they will realize its really serious until we our Covid free.
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I agree and there is an element of confusion that has been created by murky rules, bad delivery and hesitation. If the citizens are acting out of line then you bring them in line for their own good but why are they out of line in the first place?
I cant actually think of anything the UK government has done well in the fight against the pandemic. If anybody knows of one thing then please enlighten me.
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Well I would argue the lockdowns have worked, not the Tier system, but especially the first full lockdown. It did what was intended.
London and Essex into Tier 3 from 00:01 Wednesday morning. About time, should have been done last week.
A new strain has been detected, that seems to be more infectious. Thats all we need just before the 5 day 'break' for Christmas
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Well I would argue the lockdowns have worked, not the Tier system, but especially the first full lockdown. It did what was intended.
London and Essex into Tier 3 from 00:01 Wednesday morning. About time, should have been done last week.
A new strain has been detected, that seems to be more infectious. Thats all we need just before the 5 day 'break' for Christmas
I agree and i probably should have phrased my question a little differently.
I think they were late in employing a lockdown restrictions and hesitant in disciplining and/or enforcing. It was also obvious there would be a spike with the children going back to school and all of the adults mixing without face masks. The only guidance was to wash your hands at the time.
They have taken some necessary steps in a very reactive way. Wasted unbelievable amounts of money in fields they are supposed to have expertise in.
Actually, thinking on, the only thing they did well i can recall was the help for companies and self employed. That is something to be proud of that not every country has done.
But on the whole they seem a disjointed, bickering government who have done some scandalous things.
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This will look rough to many but I assure you it’s quality.
good old British mince and dumplings, peas and carrots and mash..
mustard on the side and a bottle of oasis
good old British mince and dumplings, peas and carrots and mash..
mustard on the side and a bottle of oasis
care to divulge please pal? TL? DR? Far to advanced for a mere surveyor such as myself (also ex scaffolder)
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sums my feelings up perfectly regarding this farcical nonsense.
also a superb band.
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You forgot to upload the picture of the corona cooking.
We only got the description.
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I’m in a hotel mate, I’m at work..
But I’ll upload my snack before bed lol!
believe me it’s even worse than my corona cooking haha!
was going to go for a kebab, got a great place around the corner whom cook it fresh via a charcoal grill and you pick your own meats.
but it’s Isabelle’s Xmas party tomorrow at school so she wanted to show me her outfit via video call that she’s tried on already 4 million times.
after work tomoz I’ll ensure I get said kebab mate lol
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