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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

ShadyFei said:
Respectfully, I disagree. This is a place for discussion about coronavirus-related topics and what could be more relevant than the PM of the UK. Personally, I would li to read what. @lockinlove has to say.

I don’t know exactly what @lockinlove does for a living but I do know myself from working with medical doctors daily in a virology research lab, you tend to pick up a thing or two. Not the same as an MD, but this is a discussion forum.
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At first I was manager of health records when I was younger and back then we didnt need any schooling of any sort for it. So I was able to save on time and money by getting my foot in the door and moving up rather fast. I was 18 when I first started.

I went through 4 years of school, 4 years of medical school and then 2 years of residency. I was an ER doctor for two years and a position in hospital management came up and was offered to a group of us. I was one of the few people who applied as others in our field, wanted to remain in their field. I also completed my fellowship in toxicology. I have now been in the field for 21 years.

I am also one of the few people in our team lead of covid-19 in our hospital and I speak to all of CEO's in Ontario, CDC and WHO from the USA and Canada. I was supposed to be leading one of our test centers until I started to not feel well and they needed me in another area instead of out in the field. I spend the first 4 hours of my day reading reports, making decisions and having conference calls with government officials, CEO's and various other health experts. I then spend the next hour with covid-19 patients reading their charts and speaking to ICU doctors and nurses. The next 3 hours I go through the day logs, our staffs health reports and continue to deal with our medical staff.

As for playfords emotional post, he is upset and seems scared. It's a trying time for all of us and when you see someone as important as a prime minister of a country falling, you can react poorly.

I deal with it often, people arent used to this type of stuff. None of what I posted is unprofessional or scare mongering. It's the truth and this is just how it plays out and playford you will have to accept my posts both past and future, as I will not be changing how I post at all. I just ask that you be a little more respectful in the future as trying to take swipes at me when you have no idea what I do or who I am is fairly unnecessary.

I also wont be responding to those types of posts in here. I am busy with this and I do take my time to come and post here as people do seem to appreciate it. I would rather next time you ask me what I do, instead of accuse me of not having knowledge or experience.

Here or in my field, I am polite but we also dont sugar coat things. I post here because its a nice little stress reliever to talk it out and post whats on my mind and I know a lot of people read this forum and it can make an impact. Plus I do know a lot of people here, some which I consider friends and personalities I enjoy.

Playford made a comment that my field deserves more praise than others. That's not how you should look at people. It takes all types of jobs to make the world go around. The car engineers, allow us to get to hospitals. The farmer, feeds us. The builder, builds us homes to live in. The grocery clerks, process the food we eat. The doctors take care of the sick. The fishermen catch the fish we all eat. Please do not look down on anyone or their job, they contribute to society.

Sometimes you get reps or software designers who specialize in that field and sometimes you get health professionals that can contribute at a time like this. I have never really spoken of my life on here aside from saying I work in a hospital and maybe mentioned health records etc because well this isnt a very respected past time in our field. Also, It's a forum and an escape from your every day life. And trust me when hospitals are quiet, things can get very slow and very boring as you guys witnessed in the Trump thread awhile back ;p

You would actually be surprised how many professionals gamble, play poker and have various hobbies that entice a different type of adrenaline. You need something strong to get your mind away from sickness and bad days.

Right now the world is in a crazy place, lets all remember to respect each other at least.
 
Had to have a dirty burger.
 

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Harry_BKK said:
He shook hands with COVID-19 patients, for crying out loud and even bragged about it. He has a pregnant partner at home, did he think of her and the baby at that moment? It is purely irresponsible and IMO sheer stupidity. That is akin putting your hand into a hungry lion's mouth and hoping he would not bite. :rolleyes:

BTW, most of the others you mentioned are not PM.

I truly wish him well and hope he'll recover.
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So no other political figure done the same harry?
They kind of did...
Or don’t you have a issue unless it’s Boris or trump?
pretty boring mate this agenda...
 
Playford7 said:
So no other political figure done the same harry?
They kind of did...
Or don’t you have a issue unless it’s Boris or trump?
pretty boring mate this agenda...
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It is sad you see everything through a political lense.

For me, he is a human being first. If you think different, then I'm sorry.

I can't remember any other PM/president of any other country going into a hospital shaking hands with active COVID-19 patients without protective equipment. So, unless you have some article about that, I would say: "No, no other political figure was that stupid."
 
Harry_BKK said:
It is sad you see everything through a political lense.

For me, he is a human being first. If you think different, then I'm sorry.

I can't remember any other PM/president of any other country going into a hospital shaking hands with active COVID-19 patients without protective equipment. So, unless you have some article about that, I would say: "No, no other political figure was that stupid."
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You have ignored the fact that I’ve stated many other political figures floated the guidelines harry and done worse than what Boris did infact.
where is your outrage for those leaders?
I must go to bed now mate, should you want to address this tomorrow I can provide at least 3 nation leaders whom done worse.
let’s speak about those tomorrow mate. all the best as always and keep safe.
ben
 
TBF Harry may well be outraged by other leaders but the conversation and topic at hand was currently about Boris as his condition is fairly predominant in the news

also, whataboutism
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Playford7 said:
You have ignored the fact that I’ve stated many other political figures floated the guidelines harry and done worse than what Boris did infact.
where is your outrage for those leaders?
I must go to bed now mate, should you want to address this tomorrow I can provide at least 3 nation leaders whom done worse.
let’s speak about those tomorrow mate. all the best as always and keep safe.
ben
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Whatever mate.

Shaking hands with active COVID-19 patients without protective equipment - that is a tough one to beat in your pointless "who's done worse than Boris?" contest!

You might want to ask a doctor when the virus load is at its peak...... just a little pointer for you. :rolleyes:
 
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lockinlove said:
At first I was manager of health records when I was younger and back then we didnt need any schooling of any sort for it. So I was able to save on time and money by getting my foot in the door and moving up rather fast. I was 18 when I first started.

I went through 4 years of school, 4 years of medical school and then 2 years of residency. I was an ER doctor for two years and a position in hospital management came up and was offered to a group of us. I was one of the few people who applied as others in our field, wanted to remain in their field. I also completed my fellowship in toxicology. I have now been in the field for 21 years.

I am also one of the few people in our team lead of covid-19 in our hospital and I speak to all of CEO's in Ontario, CDC and WHO from the USA and Canada. I was supposed to be leading one of our test centers until I started to not feel well and they needed me in another area instead of out in the field. I spend the first 4 hours of my day reading reports, making decisions and having conference calls with government officials, CEO's and various other health experts. I then spend the next hour with covid-19 patients reading their charts and speaking to ICU doctors and nurses. The next 3 hours I go through the day logs, our staffs health reports and continue to deal with our medical staff.

As for playfords emotional post, he is upset and seems scared. It's a trying time for all of us and when you see someone as important as a prime minister of a country falling, you can react poorly.

I deal with it often, people arent used to this type of stuff. None of what I posted is unprofessional or scare mongering. It's the truth and this is just how it plays out and playford you will have to accept my posts both past and future, as I will not be changing how I post at all. I just ask that you be a little more respectful in the future as trying to take swipes at me when you have no idea what I do or who I am is fairly unnecessary.

I also wont be responding to those types of posts in here. I am busy with this and I do take my time to come and post here as people do seem to appreciate it. I would rather next time you ask me what I do, instead of accuse me of not having knowledge or experience.

Here or in my field, I am polite but we also dont sugar coat things. I post here because its a nice little stress reliever to talk it out and post whats on my mind and I know a lot of people read this forum and it can make an impact. Plus I do know a lot of people here, some which I consider friends and personalities I enjoy.

Playford made a comment that my field deserves more praise than others. That's not how you should look at people. It takes all types of jobs to make the world go around. The car engineers, allow us to get to hospitals. The farmer, feeds us. The builder, builds us homes to live in. The grocery clerks, process the food we eat. The doctors take care of the sick. The fishermen catch the fish we all eat. Please do not look down on anyone or their job, they contribute to society.

Sometimes you get reps or software designers who specialize in that field and sometimes you get health professionals that can contribute at a time like this. I have never really spoken of my life on here aside from saying I work in a hospital and maybe mentioned health records etc because well this isnt a very respected past time in our field. Also, It's a forum and an escape from your every day life. And trust me when hospitals are quiet, things can get very slow and very boring as you guys witnessed in the Trump thread awhile back ;p

You would actually be surprised how many professionals gamble, play poker and have various hobbies that entice a different type of adrenaline. You need something strong to get your mind away from sickness and bad days.

Right now the world is in a crazy place, lets all remember to respect each other at least.
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I’d say you may have picked up a thing or three. ;)

 
Saw an article on the dailymail about a breathing technique recommended by an NHS doctor:

Dr Munshi said: 'While you have an active infection you need to be getting a good amount of air into the bases of your lungs.

'The only way you are going to do that is by having a technique.

'I want you guys to start doing this if you have the infection right from the beginning, if you want to do it before you even pick up the infection, good idea.'

Posting his instruction vid here in case it helps anyone:

 
@lockinlove

You may have opened Pandora’s box. I have so many questions!

What type of test is Canada currently using? Blood test or rt-PCR? And if it is PCR, doesn’t that take a long time? How do the labs keep up and release test results in a timely manner? Have false positives/negatives been a problem? Do you use the primers from the WHO or do you (or Canada) create your own?

I think I’ll leave it there. :p If you don’t have the time to answer, no worries.
 
ShadyFei said:
@lockinlove

You may have opened Pandora’s box. I have so many questions!

What type of test is Canada currently using? Blood test or rt-PCR? And if it is PCR, doesn’t that take a long time? How do the labs keep up and release test results in a timely manner? Have false positives/negatives been a problem? Do you use the primers from the WHO or do you (or Canada) create your own?

I think I’ll leave it there. :p If you don’t have the time to answer, no worries.
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Feel free to ask me any questions you can think of.

qpcr, rt-pcr, pcr. Nucleic acid technology, so basically we test for the RDRP and Egene for coronavirus, Its extracted from ribonucleic acid from sputum, naso swab and oro swab. Yes those take time. We had a backlog of 11,000 but thats now well under 1000.

The blood tests havent been approved yet here. But we do have a rapid test kit called the Spartan Cube which is basically a dna analyzer and then you take the throat swab and put into the device. It takes about half an hour to get the results back.

As for false negatives, yeah we have that in probably 25% of tests. They come back negative but then are later to be found positive or even have the symptoms and still post negative

As for the primers we have a company actually not far from us called bio basics, I would say its a 25 minutes drive from our hospital, thats how close it is.
 
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goatwack said:
He's in quite a bad way. I don't think the prognosis looks great

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He will have a few tough days ahead of him, that's for sure and hopefully will come out on the bright side.

The downside of this illness is that once a patient needs a ventilator, the chances are less than 50:50. So far, they have not confirmed that he is on a ventilator, so let's hope it stays like that.
 
Wishing for a good outcome for Boris, but if he does move to the ventilation stage the mortality rate
is 50 to 80% from what I have read.
In hindsight the people responsible for his protection as PM did not advise him strongly enough,or
he ignored that advice but what is done is done.
Think it will be another big wake up call for most people, if he can catch it and with the best care possible
does not pull through it shows how horrible and dangerous this awful disease is.
Whatever happens the country will be sailing without a rudder for a while, no sign of anyone
capable of taking charge has emerged,and its seems we are going to have period of political in fighting
which is hardly helpful at this stage
 
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Here is information for those who are interested in this.
In my opinion, they like to twist the shit around... The article on Russian news
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actually says "he will be given artificial ventilation", which is according to a source close to the NHS leadership in England. But not that Boris is on a ventilator!

Below you can pick any of translations you like, but in general, Yandex translates better than Google from Russian to English and another way around:

Google translation: "They will undergo artificial ventilation of the lungs," the source said.

Yandex translation: "He will be given artificial ventilation," the source said.


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How much longer will this propaganda keep going on.

Predicted 200k deaths yet we have had a few thousand only of which most would have died anyway and the peak is over.

Swede, the only country operating as normal had the lowest deaths out of all the countries on lockdown...........GO FIGURE

As for the NHS being swamped, it's all media driven BULLSHIT. Read what actual people who work there are saying....

My husband & son were working overtime at the weekend. In 2 different hospitals. A/E is the quietest they’ve ever seen. All nurses have PPE they blame the media for false reporting. They are managing the crisis exceptionally well at the moment. Fully prepared if things get worse
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Go read directly from people who work in the NHS or family members do, and they all stating they are coping fine and it's not that busy.

Utter madness.
 
nutnut said:
How much longer will this propaganda keep going on.

Predicted 200k deaths yet we have had a few thousand only of which most would have died anyway and the peak is over.

Swede, the only country operating as normal had the lowest deaths out of all the countries on lockdown...........GO FIGURE

As for the NHS being swamped, it's all media driven BULLSHIT. Read what actual people who work there are saying....



Go read directly from people who work in the NHS or family members do, and they all stating they are coping fine and it's not that busy.

Utter madness.
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Speaking of spreading propaganda...
We having lower death count than all countries that has issued lockdowns is simply not true.
And also you cant compare folks from rest of the world with Vikings.
 
Partly, I agree with you about media-driven bullshit regarding NHS.
My girlfriend said that personal protective equipment (PPE), to their hospital, was delivered only last week and now everyone's wearing facemasks.

Before that everything was different! You can watch a video and read my Old URL to keep her safe—Simply, I fed up her telling me that "regular" patients almost daily getting moved to a COVID ward, which clearly means, the virus easily spreads across the hospital and she can catch it too.

The latest info she says is, they started to build an extension for a morgue as there is a shortage of space to keep dead bodies...
 
France getting battered. 1417 new deaths in the last 24hr. New record I believe.

Edit: 884 fatalities in nursing homes that occurred over a period of several weeks and that were announced only today. That explains it.
 
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Balthazar said:
France getting battered. 1437 new deaths in the last 24hr. New record I believe.

Edit: 884 fatalities in nursing homes that occurred over a period of several weeks and that were announced only today. That explains it.
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ah ok

Makes you wonder what the true figures are if every death is properly recorded, I am sure a lot slip through
the net,but understandable.
 
ShadyFei said:
Question for the Brits:

I read that the UK does not a formal succession procedure in the event a sitting prime minister becomes incapacitated for any length of time. Is this true?
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Raab and richi. That’s the order should the lion be out of action for a long period.
But as he’s not a snowflake and a fine conservative he will be back faster than a streamer plugging a link to some hell hole casino.
 
Tha
Kroffe said:
This is for you @paul7388
Im not sure where the music comes from, it just kind of starts whenever im out walking.
Also, as expected its too dark to really see anything. :D
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Thanks bear.:D

They were wondering where you were guess you were out walking the dog.

But if that is how creepy your streets are scared to think what the forest is like.

Tho if it is like that in your neighbouring country it explains a lot about ternur :laugh:
 

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