external image

Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

Struggling to find any light at the end of the tunnel. Anyone?
cleaner air? lower emissions? quality family time? completing home projects? discovering hobbies? 'you' time? finally tackling those unwatched series? pets and children get more attention? better preparation for larger crises?

it's a shitty time, granted
it could be much, much worse
 
wow I never knew that, I quite like Laura, she can interrupt people a bit too much and not let them get a word in. I think she fears biden, as he's more central in his outlook than a bernie or warren. Any damage/disaster to the economy from a shutdown gives joe a better chance...plus Trump's rallies are probably a bit difficult to hold atm.

edit: I didn't realise she was a single parent with her three adopted children

I like her to.

Biden is going to be just like those 4 Senators selling the stock. That's the swamp.
Trump has much bigger problems to deal with but he does have a 55% poll rating for how he's handling the crisis, so far anyway.

This guy is a potential future president.

 
Last night Laura did a fairly big piece on this potential treatment using Chloroquine + azithromycin which was more effective than chloroquine on its own.

I don't understand why that chief medical bloke fauci is so against it, some infected people have nothing to lose. Another anti inflammatory medicine was also mentioned that has been successfully used in china, as it's apparently the body's over reaction to the virus that causes most of the damage.

This is the part:

[the section afterwards where she discusses it with dr william grace, an oncologist from a new york hospital, is on the fox news website, he was also in favour of using this treatment]

 
Last edited:
Struggling to find any light at the end of the tunnel. Anyone?

Cant even find the tunnel , is there a way out then ?

Started waking up with a feeling of dread,i have to go out and to try and get essentials,dog is cracking up
as he is not get decent walks, realising that there isnt actually that much food in the house.Worried
that we can get vital meds

Think a lot of people are going to have big stress and mental problems, this has only just started,all we can
do it hang in there.Just be nice to your loved ones and the NHS staff,they deserve every bit of support.
 
1584781641487.png



^ the blue line is patients who had the standard 'care' treatment. I hope this combination treatment isn't being suppressed in the UK and US just so big pharma can make money...

Apparently according to Dr Grace there is only 1 chance in 10,000 that these results are down to chance, 1 in 20 is statistically significant.
 
Last edited:
Struggling to find any light at the end of the tunnel. Anyone?
Mother laid off from employment (high street bookies) :(
Partner mature student at home :)
2 children at home :)
I’m classed as a key worker so I have to go to work :(
Really vulnerable family members :(
Basic essentials hard to come by :(
It’s going to be one hell of a long tunnel for some people
 
Last night Laura did a fairly big piece on this potential treatment using Chloroquine + azithromycin which was more effective than chloroquine on its own.

I don't understand why that chief medical bloke fauci is so against it, some infected people have nothing to lose. Another anti inflammatory medicine was also mentioned that has been successfully used in china, as it's apparently the body's over reaction to the virus that causes most of the damage.

This is the part:

[the section afterwards where she discusses it with dr william grace, an oncologist from a new york hospital, is on the fox news website, he was also in favour of using this treatment]



yes, I saw the segment. Fauci been around but I never really heard of him until now. I don't know why he's against it. Maybe airing on the side of caution?

He's been in the job since 1984 so I guess the presidents like him.

from Wiki
has been at the forefront of US efforts to contend with viral diseases like HIV, SARS, the 2009 swine flu pandemic, MERS, Ebola and now the new coronavirus.
 
I was reading that they keep having to close Bondi beach as more than 500 people gather at a time which breaks their crowd restriction laws to prevent virus siread

As it's obviously really warm there at moment does this mean the warm weather and heat doesnt help kill the virus or mean that there is less of it around ? I thought the warmer weather was supposed to help?.
 
Going to be big problems in Africa, has escaped it so far but now its starting to take hold.
Millions have aids and malaria which make them very much at risk.
Social distancing is not an option, many families have to live together in one room.
On top of that the health care is not brilliant to put it mildly.
Can see entire populations getting infected.
 
View attachment 125689


^ the blue line is patients who had the standard 'care' treatment. I hope this combination treatment isn't being suppressed in the UK and US just so big pharma can make money...

Apparently according to Dr Grace there is only 1 chance in 10,000 that these results are down to chance, 1 in 20 is statistically significant.

You start to fall again for Mr T propaganda..... the next big con mate to make the Dear Leader look like the saviour of mankind. :rolleyes:

1584785257361.webp
Maybe reading more and fully informing you would open your eyes.
 
yes, I saw the segment. Fauci been around but I never really heard of him until now. I don't know why he's against it. Maybe airing on the side of caution?

He's been in the job since 1984 so I guess the presidents like him.

from Wiki
has been at the forefront of US efforts to contend with viral diseases like HIV, SARS, the 2009 swine flu pandemic, MERS, Ebola and now the new coronavirus.

I don't like him, something about the way he looked shifty when that question came up; if he's been in that role so long it's guaranteed big pharma likes him, and the former presidents most likely don't want to make that powerful lobby unhappy.

When that john roberts asked him, I'm sure he said can this drug combination be used as a 'prophylaxis', which is a prevententive measure, and is different to taking it after you get the disease. So fauci could be right, taking this medicine combination won't make you immune to catching the virus, but it is a treatment afterwards. John roberts may have asked the wrong question.

He says it on his twitter too:

"One thing I am wondering though, is if there is any possibility HCQ could be effective as a prophylaxis against CoViD-19 infection... "

So I think he should be asking whether HCQ is an effective treatment after you're infected not before.
 
Last edited:
You start to fall again for Mr T propaganda..... the next big con mate to make the Dear Leader look like the saviour of mankind. :rolleyes:

Maybe reading more and fully informing you would open your eyes.

the research is from france nothing to do with trump, he's just heard about it from fox probably and thought why not try it because the results so far sound positive.
 
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.


French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration

A new study whose results were published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents has found early evidence that the combination of hydroxychloroquine, a popular anti-malaria drug known under the trade name Plaqenuil, and antibiotic azithromycin (aka Zithromax or Azithrocin) could be especially effective in treating the COVID-19 coronavirus and reducing the duration of the virus in patients.

The researchers performed a study on 30 confirmed COVID-19 patients, treating each with either hydroxychloroquine on its own, a combination of the medicine with the antibiotic, as well as a control group that received neither. The study was conducted after reports from treatment of Chinese patients indicated that this particular combo had efficacy in shortening the duration of infection in patients.
 
the research is from france nothing to do with trump, he's just heard about it from fox probably and thought why not try it because the results so far sound positive.

Because they simply need to push out Mr T propaganda after his presser to make it look like he is the big saviour. Geez mack, don't just believe what Faux News is telling you. Up to a week ago they called it a hoax and the next impeachment ruse.

Read some more what the Chinese said about it after it was used in a much wider group. Sure, worth looking at but with the proper scientific caution as the drug can cause real harm too.
 
Last edited:
Oh yeah, he said "I have a feeling" .....just like days earlier he had "just a hunch" that it will all go away in a few weeks. :rolleyes:

I have to say I'd be happy to hear boris mention this medicine, we can't blindly trust big pharma when there's a lot of money at stake, and they wield influence. If I was seriously ill with this virus I'd want to take that chance with this combo medicine, but I bet the NHS would say 'no'
 
I have to say I'd be happy to hear boris mention this medicine, we can't blindly trust big pharma when there's a lot of money at stake, and they wield influence. If I was seriously ill with this virus I'd want to take that chance with this combo medicine, but I bet the NHS would say 'no'

I have a taken a few of the malaria prevention drugs and I can tell you they are all super nasty as they affect your entire body while protecting you against one single disease.

If this Chloroquine is anything like those, then I would think that it should be treated with a lot of caution.
 
I have a taken a few of the malaria prevention drugs and I can tell you they are all super nasty as they affect your entire body while protecting you against one single disease.

If this Chloroquine is anything like those, then I would think that it should be treated with a lot of caution.

We'd a few guys in work who were 'first time users' of having to go to, I think, was Cameroon, last year.

They were excited about the travel etc until they realised what it would entail just prior to going.

Added to that when they got there and the curfews, scheduled transport etc i asked one how was it and got the reply 'never again' :laugh:
 
I have a taken a few of the malaria prevention drugs and I can tell you they are all super nasty as they affect your entire body while protecting you against one single disease.

If this Chloroquine is anything like those, then I would think that it should be treated with a lot of caution.

but H you took it 20 times or everytime you went to africa ? maybe the dose is different, I'd still be willing to take that risk.
 
but H you took it 20 times or everytime you went to africa ? maybe the dose is different, I'd still be willing to take that risk.

Sure mack, I would probably take the risk too if it was a life or death decision.

Still, to make sure the drug does more good than harm you need proper clinical trials, and that is not done in a few weeks.

I am pretty sure there are dozens of existing drugs doctors and researchers look at right now whether they would be suitable, simply because developing something new will not help for this pandemic as it takes too long to get it to the market.
 
Sure mack, I would probably take the risk too if it was a life or death decision.

Still, to make sure the drug does more good than harm you need proper clinical trials, and that is not done in a few weeks.

I am pretty sure there are dozens of existing drugs doctors and researchers look at right now whether they would be suitable, simply because developing something new will not help for this pandemic as it takes too long to get it to the market.

I agree but to do a double blind test when the consequence of being in the 'dummy' or non treated group is a higher risk of death or having this virus longer, there must be ethical issues there, in order to do a 2,000+ people study. The double blind test could naturally [ethically] occur by letting those that wish to try it, have it, those that don't want to try don't, and then compare the results :confused:
 
We'd a few guys in work who were 'first time users' of having to go to, I think, was Cameroon, last year.

They were excited about the travel etc until they realised what it would entail just prior to going.

Added to that when they got there and the curfews, scheduled transport etc i asked one how was it and got the reply 'never again' :laugh:

And these days they got probably Malarone as prevention drug instead of Lariam, which was much nastier. That goes on top of yellow fever shots, hepatitis etc. Quite a list.

I remember once going to Abidjan, Ivory Coast in a near-empty plane and the driver picking me up in a BMW5 company car, the worst you can do there. He proudly showed me scars on the side of his nose and behind his ear, telling me he got shot 6 months earlier and those were the entry and exit points of the bullet. He barely survived after they airlifted him to France for surgery. The company was French, Carnaud Metalbox (today Crown Cork&Seal).

While driving, he told me that they changed hotels at the last minute as only the Intercontinental was now allowed for foreigners. At that moment, I thought, here we go, I am going to get kidnapped now although I had received an email with the driver's picture and the car. Still, who knows, he might have changed or being forced by a gang or the like. But no, he indeed took me to the hotel and then I saw the reason why I had to stay there. Blue helmets with huge machine guns behind stacks of sand sacks posted at the entrance. :rolleyes:

At night, you would have shootings in the street and on the first night, I immediately floored it only to realize that being on the 20th floor far above any other building meant that being flat on the floor wasn't really necessary or helpful. :laugh:

Quite a trip, curfew at 6pm that nobody seem to bother about, looting kids gangs with sniffing bags and Kalashnikovs and my driver all the time: "Do not worry, you will be just fine!" :laugh: That was until we got stopped by a few kids once and I nearly sh**ted my pants. "Du monnaie monsieur" one said showing me the full magazine of the Kalashnikov and then loading it. Luckily, the EURO had just been introduced and it had the value of gold there at the time. After taking some, they let us go. About 20 seconds later I thought I would have a heart attack when the adrenaline shock set in. My heart was pounding like mad.

Foreigners were instructed to leave the country and the flight back was probably the worst I ever had as everyone was sending the family back, so the majority were kids. As we took off just before 6PM we could not land in Paris-CDG as the arrival time was after midnight, so we made a stop in Lome, Togo where everyone was kept on the plane for roughly 4 hours before we continued to Paris. You can imagine how the chaos inside the plane. :D

Although saying never again, two months later I was sitting again on a plane to Abidjan. :D
 
Last edited:
Rather biased being a non drinker, but shutting the pubs is going to have a lot of beneficial effects.
The police will be free to do what they are supposed to do,enforce law and and order instead of spending
most of the time sorting out drunken rabble every night and the NHS will have resources freed up by
not having to treat the consequences of excessive drinking.
Just hope the police dont spend their time harrassing motorists and get the streets cleared of drug dealing scum.
 
Going to be big problems in Africa, has escaped it so far but now its starting to take hold.
Millions have aids and malaria which make them very much at risk.
Social distancing is not an option, many families have to live together in one room.
On top of that the health care is not brilliant to put it mildly.
Can see entire populations getting infected.
I have been flabbagasted in how Africa so far has dodged the virus. It appears that the virus jumped over Africa to infect Countries which suggested that temperatures may have had a key roll. Is it that the virus has mutated to deal with differing temperatures? It is a worry
 
Interesting article popped up on DM

NHS workers shouldn't be able to shop alongside elderly in special hours because they are 'cross-infecting everybody' due to inadequate personal protection, senior heart doctor warns

Supermarkets have been warned against inadvertently accelerating the spread of coronavirus in the elderly population by allowing potentially infected NHS workers to mix with them in reduced opening times.

Many big stores have launched a so-called 'silver hour' where pensioners can shop in restocked aisles to avoid them falling victim to panic-buying.

Frontline health staff have now also been allowed in at these times after a string of viral videos showed exhausted medics returning from work to find empty shelves.

But a doctor has pointed out the scheme lumps together those most vulnerable to the disease with those most likely to be infected by it.


.....Sainsburys is following other supermarket chains and introducing a golden shopping hour for NHS and social care workers.

From next week health and care staff will be able to shop at Sainsburys between 8am and 9am every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, alongside elderly and vulnerable shoppers.

----------
Are these supermarkets mad or dangerously thick, first they let people bulk buy and strip their shops of essential products and now this, why not let the NHS have the first hour of sunday or priority home delivery slots?
 
Interesting article popped up on DM

NHS workers shouldn't be able to shop alongside elderly in special hours because they are 'cross-infecting everybody' due to inadequate personal protection, senior heart doctor warns

Supermarkets have been warned against inadvertently accelerating the spread of coronavirus in the elderly population by allowing potentially infected NHS workers to mix with them in reduced opening times.

Many big stores have launched a so-called 'silver hour' where pensioners can shop in restocked aisles to avoid them falling victim to panic-buying.

Frontline health staff have now also been allowed in at these times after a string of viral videos showed exhausted medics returning from work to find empty shelves.

But a doctor has pointed out the scheme lumps together those most vulnerable to the disease with those most likely to be infected by it.


.....Sainsburys is following other supermarket chains and introducing a golden shopping hour for NHS and social care workers.

From next week health and care staff will be able to shop at Sainsburys between 8am and 9am every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, alongside elderly and vulnerable shoppers.

----------
Are these supermarkets mad or dangerously thick, first they let people bulk buy and strip their shops of essential products and now this, why not let the NHS have the first hour of sunday or priority home delivery slots?

I dont get how they are thinking.
I can understand being picked clean the first time, but thats when limits should have been put in place to stop the crazy hoarding. Seems now some stores just get emptied the moment they re-stock.

And elderly and healthcare staff mixing in that "silver hour" sounds completely backwards.
"Hey, come shop during this time to avoid the virus. Also, we will mix you with the people being around the virus 24/7"
Like a bad joke or something.
 
I dont get how they are thinking.
I can understand being picked clean the first time, but thats when limits should have been put in place to stop the crazy hoarding. Seems now some stores just get emptied the moment they re-stock.

And elderly and healthcare staff mixing in that "silver hour" sounds completely backwards.
"Hey, come shop during this time to avoid the virus. Also, we will mix you with the people being around the virus 24/7"
Like a bad joke or something.

SG issued clear amounts/person for certain product groups, e.g. 30SGD for meat or 1 pack of TP/person etc. Plenty of auxiliary police officers/security around to enforce it all.

Sure you can run from supermarket to supermarket, but at least they do not get cleaned out the soon anything is stocked up again. It all relaxed after a day of frenzy when people realized that nothing is going to run out.

Fully agree, absolute insanity to put the two groups into such close proximity.
 
To my UK miesters,
Please pleAse will you share this link.
My hubby is transport manager for food sourced locally to pubs and restaurants. Over 100 drivers in his team.
Wednesday they took a 50% hit in orders overnight.
The remainder were loaded on lorries ready for the daily run last night... until the announcement.
Support a local company with contracts to honour with local farmers/ suppliers and with staff to try and retain.
Some may appear expensive at first but items come in catering sizes for the most part or specialist suppliers.
 
Way back when, getting ready to visit Rhodesia - told you it was way back when :) - took chloroquine as a precautionary measure as the Victoria Falls were a breeding ground for mosquitoes.

Never got malaria, but what I can say is....I think I wish I had because yes, the side-effects felt worse than death!

My God I was ill - and I mean ILL - from the bloody chloroquine - to the extent that I almost didn't make my trip to Rhodesia.

Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, and in the case of Chloroquine - how very, very true.

I had it too, given to me by the Army prior to departure to Rio De Janeiro and Ascension Islands and I wouldn't wish the side effects of this on my worst enemy - became delirious at one point and lost my eye sight briefly but I was so ill I couldn't imagine malaria being that bad at the time :eek2:
 
Last edited:
Just been thinking about this. £30 million of national lottery money goes to good causes every week. I think that every penny of that should be going to buying up ventilators from around the world and the 100's of millions that the national lottery has stashed in their coffers should be released right now for the same purpose.
And what are our Church's doing? They have Billions in the bank?
 
Last edited:
To my UK miesters,
Please pleAse will you share this link.
My hubby is transport manager for food sourced locally to pubs and restaurants. Over 100 drivers in his team.
Wednesday they took a 50% hit in orders overnight.
The remainder were loaded on lorries ready for the daily run last night... until the announcement.
Support a local company with contracts to honour with local farmers/ suppliers and with staff to try and retain.
Some may appear expensive at first but items come in catering sizes for the most part or specialist suppliers.

Maybe it is time for the hospitality food industry suppliers the release their extra stocks to the community via deliveries to the elderly and infirm direct to their doors?
With the food industry closed down they will have mountains of extra stock because they will only have nursing homes and the like to deliver too leaving millions of perishable frozen and fresh products going to waste.
Coordinate home deliveries via charities and throw in bog roll and sanitizing products.
 
Just been thinking about this. £30 million of national lottery money goes to good causes every week. I think that every penny of that should be going to buying up ventilators from around the world and the 100's of millions that the national lottery has stashed in their coffers should be released right now for the same purpose.
And what are our Church's doing? They have Billions in the bank?

Church having money?
You dont know the issues men of faith have to deal with.
Im sure they will send their thoughts and prayers.



As for any money coming form the church...
priest-gif-7.gif
 
Ha ha. It would be funny if it wasn't true :(

Yeah.
The church does alot of good aswell, but there is no lack of scumbags like they guy in the video.
For them faith&church is just a way to scam people out of their money.
But it is what it is.
If the hell they preach about exists, they will surely find themselves down there sooner or later.
 
Just been thinking about this. £30 million of national lottery money goes to good causes every week. I think that every penny of that should be going to buying up ventilators from around the world and the 100's of millions that the national lottery has stashed in their coffers should be released right now for the same purpose.
And what are our Church's doing? They have Billions in the bank?
Problem with Ventilators is that there arent enough in the world at the moment, but some companies are now changing there production systems to manufacture them as quickly as they can.
 
Problem with Ventilators is that there arent enough in the world at the moment, but some companies are now changing there production systems to manufacture them as quickly as they can.
Yes I fully understand that. I think at times such as this that charity begins at home
 
I don't like him, something about the way he looked shifty when that question came up; if he's been in that role so long it's guaranteed big pharma likes him, and the former presidents most likely don't want to make that powerful lobby unhappy.

When that john roberts asked him, I'm sure he said can this drug combination be used as a 'prophylaxis', which is a prevententive measure, and is different to taking it after you get the disease. So fauci could be right, taking this medicine combination won't make you immune to catching the virus, but it is a treatment afterwards. John roberts may have asked the wrong question.

He says it on his twitter too:

"One thing I am wondering though, is if there is any possibility HCQ could be effective as a prophylaxis against CoViD-19 infection... "

So I think he should be asking whether HCQ is an effective treatment after you're infected not before.

He did look a little shifty in the segment. Could just be tired though. I've seen him look better.
I've heard no "off the cuff" comments from anyone, like Lou Dobbs saying he's a big phama guy.
Everyone on Fox seems to like him. Haven't heard anything bad about in the little time I watched CNN.

I thought I heard HCQ helps with the respiratory systems of those infected but is not a cure.
 
I have to say I'd be happy to hear boris mention this medicine, we can't blindly trust big pharma when there's a lot of money at stake, and they wield influence. If I was seriously ill with this virus I'd want to take that chance with this combo medicine, but I bet the NHS would say 'no'

They had a patient on that took some type of drug. I only caught the end of it but it must have been Chloroquine because it was last week. The only thing I remember is they said it was brutal.
 
He did look a little shifty in the segment. Could just be tired though. I've seen him look better.
I've heard no "off the cuff" comments from anyone, like Lou Dobbs saying he's a big phama guy.
Everyone on Fox seems to like him. Haven't heard anything bad about in the little time I watched CNN.

I thought I heard HCQ helps with the respiratory systems of those infected but is not a cure.
From what I understand is that the best thing we can do is to take on plenty of vitamin C so if you do catch it then it is very helpful in overcoming its effects. It is also widely used in treating it if you do get the virus.
I am loaded up with oranges and other fruit as well as fresh veg. I have also ordered from online a large quantity of powdered vitamin c for if I run out of fruit.
They also suggest to drink lots of hot drinks. The hotter you can without burning or damaging yourself as the virus clogs up your throat first before attacking your lungs in anger.
I'm now taking all precautions,including building up my supply of vodka
 
Vodka is a method I have adopted to wash down the powdered vitamin C which I will be testing out this evening.
Minus the Vitamin C :p

Yeah, I've heard some folks mix orange juice with vodka. Blasphemy I say :laugh:

Btw: Camu Camu powder is pretty nice natural source for C vit. (synthetic C is somewhat controversial in its effectiveness) :thumbsup:
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Accredited Casinos

Read about our rating system and how it's done.
Back
Top