Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[bamberfishcake]

Hope she recovers quickly, but if it's bad then she could go to a minor injuries clinic, they are mainly Covid free in most places.

Really? Just relying on what she has told me, maybe she doesnt want to visit the hospital herself. I know her other half is a little unwell and hes a bit funny about driving anywhere, think ill offer her a lift tomorrow just in case.

 

[colinsunderland]

Really? Just relying on what she has told me, maybe she doesnt want to visit the hospital herself. I know her other half is a little unwell and hes a bit funny about driving anywhere, think ill offer her a lift tomorrow just in case.

I don't know where you are in Essex but round here they tend to be away from hospitals, or at least in a different building with their own x-ray machines etc, so you aren't risking being in a building with loads of Covid cases, well no more likely than going to a shop.

Hopefully she gets sorted

 

[slotplayer]

I've been looking at my medical records online.
Back in 2015 the doc did a panel of Vitamin D and it was really low @ 19. So I went on 2000iu of Vitamin D and it went to 49. As of 2017, the last panel on record shows its @ 33. The range goes from 30-100. I think I'm going to start taking it again as that is too close to the low end. Who knows what it is now.

Might want to consider getting it checked if you're getting a blood test any time soon.

 

[geordiecolin]

Sorry to hear that.

Kids Nan has fallen and hurt her ankle. She's tried crutches but is laid up in bed with a bucket as the pain makes her feel sick. Doctor said to rest. No scan or x-ray and certainly no visit like the old days. Have to be on deaths door for them to visit in the UK now, or rich.

Obviously she cant really go to hospital and its the time a doctor should be stepping in really.

Coronavirus has certainly messed with a lot of things.

Sorry to hear that Bamber.

 

[geordiecolin]

I've been looking at my medical records online.
Back in 2015 the doc did a panel of Vitamin D and it was really low @ 19. So I went on 2000iu of Vitamin D and it went to 49. As of 2017, the last panel on record shows its @ 33. The range goes from 30-100. I think I'm going to start taking it again as that is too close to the low end. Who knows what it is now.

Might want to consider getting it checked if you're getting a blood test any time soon.



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Vits D.C,A,Zinc and the odd tonic water plus a healthy diet. If you have a cold/flu symptoms avoid dairy as it helps produce more mucus. I have said it from the start of this pandemic in here

 

[Slottery]

Think high enough vitamin D level is one thing nobody yet have stated is bad for winter flu or covid, most of other things you easily find multiple different opinions Taking it usually winter months, dunno have it any effect or no, but if not taking any crazy big doses, there's no much harm it would do either. Summertime it's easy to get enough from sun (at least here in Malta), but winter and especially this kind of lockdown where you don't go out almost at all, somehow thinking that might not get that in natural ways.

 

[geordiecolin]

Think high enough vitamin D level is one thing nobody yet have stated is bad for winter flu or covid, most of other things you easily find multiple different opinions Taking it usually winter months, dunno have it any effect or no, but if not taking any crazy big doses, there's no much harm it would do either. Summertime it's easy to get enough from sun (at least here in Malta), but winter and especially this kind of lockdown where you don't go out almost at all, somehow thinking that might not get that in natural ways.

I stocked my place up to the hilt with long lasting food stuffs at the beginning of all of this just to ensure I had plenty to last a long time. Both cupboards and freezer. Its a job to remember what is old and new in my freezer tbh. Then I bought a tone of vits and minerals in case the fresh stuff becomes in short supply.
Did you know that vitamin D is more that just a Vitamin? It is now considered to be a hormone,immunogenic and a metabolic among other things.
I would highly recommend anyone to keep up their daily intake of Vit D

 

[slotplayer]

Vits D.C,A,Zinc and the odd tonic water plus a healthy diet. If you have a cold/flu symptoms avoid dairy as it helps produce more mucus. I have said it from the start of this pandemic in here

I was taking a multi-vitamin but my iron was too high so I had to get off it. The doctor ran a DNA test and it turned I had one of the genes but only a 1% chance of the other gene that would cause iron to be on the high side.

 

[geordiecolin]

I was taking a multi-vitamin but my iron was too high so I had to get off it. The doctor ran a DNA test and it turned I had one of genes but only a 1% chance of the other gene that would cause iron to be on the high side.

I don't pretend to be an expert on diet but I think that it is important to talk about it during these times. As a kid I kept being tested to find why I had a Vitamin Deficiency so I told my friends that I had VD. Fact

 

[Kroffe]

Most fatty fish contain a bunch of vitamin d.

Tuna & salmon just so happens to go great with pasta.

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[slotplayer]

Sorry to hear that.

Kids Nan has fallen and hurt her ankle. She's tried crutches but is laid up in bed with a bucket as the pain makes her feel sick. Doctor said to rest. No scan or x-ray and certainly no visit like the old days. Have to be on deaths door for them to visit in the UK now, or rich.

Obviously she cant really go to hospital and its the time a doctor should be stepping in really.

Coronavirus has certainly messed with a lot of things.

Sorry to hear that. I was looking up sprained ankles. Have to keep an eye on it. Maybe check out the clinic Colin mentioned if it persists.

This usually means adopting the classic RICE regimen — rest, ice, compression, and elevation. If you have severe pain and swelling, rest your ankle as much as possible for the first 24–48 hours.

 

[geordiecolin]

Most fish contain a bunch of vitamin d.

Tuna & salmon just so happens to go great with pasta.

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I'm a big fish lover. I used to theatre cook all manor of fish and accompaniments at one point. A hot griddle was my fave tool for the task

 

[slotplayer]

Most fatty fish contain a bunch of vitamin d.

Tuna & salmon just so happens to go great with pasta.

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You know that's a good Idea. I bought a bunch of cans of Tuna and like Georgie went through my food supply last week and check all the expiration dates. When the supermarket opens go get some fresh bread and have tuna sandwiches for breakfast seeing its nearly 6am here.

Chips too. Tuna sandwiches are great with chips in them.

 

[Kroffe]

I'm a big fish lover. I used to theatre cook all manor of fish and accompaniments at one point. A hot griddle was my fave tool

I eat more fish during the summer since i eat most of what i catch, and i dont do much fishing during the winter.
But every once in a while i get a craving for salmon, and i usually do it in the oven and eat it with baked root veggies.
Some sort of lemony sauce to go with it.

Always have a couple of cans of tuna tucked away somewhere.
They have a very long shelf life, and can be used for alot of different things, plus they are cheap & tasty. =)

 

[geordiecolin]

You know that's a good Idea. I bought a bunch of cans of Tuna and like Georgie went through my food supply last week and check all the expiration dates. When the supermarket opens go get some fresh bread and have tuna sandwiches for breakfast seeing its nearly 6am here.

Chips too. Tuna sandwiches are great with chips in them.

A very good health tip is to have a spoon full of Virgin Olive Oil at breakfast before eating anything. Adding a little Lemon to it helps too. It has massive health benefits. Don't buy any cheap version though. I'll see if I can find some info to post about it

 

[geordiecolin]

I eat more fish during the summer since i eat most of what i catch, and i dont do much fishing during the winter.
But every once in a while i get a craving for salmon, and i usually do it in the oven and eat it with baked root veggies.
Some sort of lemony sauce to go with it.

Always have a couple of cans of tuna tucked away somewhere.
They have a very long shelf life, and can be used for alot of different things, plus they are cheap & tasty. =)

I love Sardines in tomato on toast in the mornings which contain some great nutrients

 

[Kroffe]

I love Sardines in tomato on toast in the mornings which contain some great nutrients

Not sure ive ever tried it.
But i do have mackerel in tomatosauce on toast once in a blue moon.
Probably pretty similar.

One of those things that just kind of hide in the fridge for months until i remember they exist.
I always get the same 3-pack, and im not sure they ever expire.

 

[geordiecolin]

Not sure ive ever tried it.
But i do have mackerel in tomatosauce on toast once in a blue moon.
Probably pretty similar.

One of those things that just kind of hide in the fridge for months until i remember they exist.
I always get the same 3-pack, and im not sure they ever expire.

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They are quite similar when in a heavy sauce like that. As a really tasty tip to liven up tinned tuna add a little mayo finely diced sweet peppers coriander and cajun seasoning. Bloody lovely with salad or in a sandwich

 

[slotplayer]

I love Sardines in tomato on toast in the mornings which contain some great nutrients

yes, as a kid I loved sardines, beets and broccoli to, still eat a lot of broccoli.

 

[slotplayer]

A very good health tip is to have a spoon full of Virgin Olive Oil at breakfast before eating anything. Adding a little Lemon to it helps too. It has massive health benefits. Don't buy any cheap version though. I'll see if I can find some info to post about it

I have some Olive Oil. I was cooking something and it required it. I thought it was Virgin but maybe not. Its called Fillipo Berio. No idea if its any good though.

 

[mina1929]

I think everyone is hungry lol

Plenty of sunshine and fresh air is great too

 

[geordiecolin]

I have some Olive Oil. I was cooking something and it required it. I thought it was Virgin but maybe not. Its called Fillipo Berio. No idea if its any good though.


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Usually extra Virgin Olive oil states that it is so in bold lettering but your olive oil is much better that vegetable fats. Here is a really worthwhile video on the benefits of Olive oil. In addition to what he states in the vid it has also recently been claimed to prevent brain cancer. It may also be worthwhile reading the comments below it

 

[bamberfishcake]

Reckon Colin will post about Olive Oil soon but i have a hunch you want 'virgin' - dont ask me why.

Did live with some Albanians once who imported their Olive Oil and it had sediment and had to be shaken before use. One was a lorry driver and would bring it back from his travels claiming you couldnt get it in the UK. Seemed a bit extreme but i didnt question it.

Maybe Colin will help shed some light. I usually buy the expensive stuff because of what ive heard.

Edit: Colin got in there quick.

 

[geordiecolin]

Reckon Colin will post about Olive Oil soon but i have a hunch you want 'virgin' - dont ask me why.

Did live with some Albanians once who imported their Olive Oil and it had sediment and had to be shaken before use. One was a lorry driver and would bring it back from his travels claiming you couldnt get it in the UK. Seemed a bit extreme but i didnt question it.

Maybe Colin will help shed some light. I usually buy the expensive stuff because of what ive heard.

Edit: Colin got in there quick.

I worked with Gary Rhodes at one point at a Hotel called The Aurora and he was crazy about using the very top end Virgin Olive Oil. So much so that he ruined the budget importing it from Sicily

 

[Slottery]

Here been quite a lot discussion about NHS and it's capacity and does everything collapse or no, saw this story when reading news, not sure how accurate it is but at least it's written without being some individual persons opinion how he/she feels hospitals are full/empty so at least from that point of view looks more objective than any nurse/doctor/random visitors tweet:

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[colinsunderland]

See the police are starting to enforce the lockdown now, what annoys me about this is how they do it. I don't think I need to tell anyone I am in favour of the lockdown, and enforcement, but a daily mail story is in the link below showing who they are targeting.

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I know the mail will have cherry picked cases, but everyone who is getting fined/arrested seem to be middle aged men and women, for crimes such as sitting down on a bench at the beach. Or those 2 women who were fined for driving 7 miles to go for a walk, and told cos they had called into starbucks on the way for a coffee, it was classed as a picnic.

Where are the stories about the parties being broken up and everyone fined? Younger people who clearly (if around here is anything to go by) take no notice of the rules.

I know 3 people who are 19-20 and all of them went to parties at New Year, different ones. All the parties had 20-30 people there, not one knock on the door from the police, and I haven't heard any anyone getting a visit up here either.

I can go to at least 7 locations in Sunderland where, at around 8p-11pm (and later) I will find groups of 20-30 kids sitting round, drinking cans, vodka etc. The police know they are there, they have been the usual spots for years, but they are out of sight, and just leave them as long as they don't get complaints and there's no trouble. Why aren't they getting £200 fines, if old ladies are getting them for sitting on a bench.

 

[pinnit2014]

See the police are starting to enforce the lockdown now, what annoys me about this is how they do it. I don't think I need to tell anyone I am in favour of the lockdown, and enforcement, but a daily mail story is in the link below showing who they are targeting.

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I know the mail will have cherry picked cases, but everyone who is getting fined/arrested seem to be middle aged men and women, for crimes such as sitting down on a bench at the beach. Or those 2 women who were fined for driving 7 miles to go for a walk, and told cos they had called into starbucks on the way for a coffee, it was classed as a picnic.

Where are the stories about the parties being broken up and everyone fined? Younger people who clearly (if around here is anything to go by) take no notice of the rules.

I know 3 people who are 19-20 and all of them went to parties at New Year, different ones. All the parties had 20-30 people there, not one knock on the door from the police, and I haven't heard any anyone getting a visit up here either.

I can go to at least 7 locations in Sunderland where, at around 8p-11pm (and later) I will find groups of 20-30 kids sitting round, drinking cans, vodka etc. The police know they are there, they have been the usual spots for years, but they are out of sight, and just leave them as long as they don't get complaints and there's no trouble. Why aren't they getting £200 fines, if old ladies are getting them for sitting on a bench.

If anyone here has had the unfortunate need to deal with some (quite frankly, awful police forces), they're probably scratching their heads at the sudden spring in their step re now - i did ask someone 'has their been some police recruitment exercise since March?'

Maybe it's unfair to say but when i read some of these stories, and i'm not sure if it's how it's been reported, but i do get the sense of ego's kicking in; some seem to be taking an awful lot of glee in stating '20 parties broken up'

Few days, same as your park, right behind us there were 40 kids drinking (and leaving lovely glass on the pavement for my dog to nearly cut her paw on - cheers). We walked by them - or i had to walk on the park as they were sitting on the path. Moved on down and then an unmarked car came up the other end - i thought it was just a civilian car but it was the police. Gestured for then to roll down window (and btw that car should not have been in that park anyhow) and told them their were 40 kids, just round the corner drinking and older folk were needing to walk on the grass to get by etc. Their response was 'Oh, we told them to move' so i said, well they've not listened, they're back.

Said 'we will go back there on on rounds' so i said well can you not go now? - did a loop of the park and still there, still intimidating a lot of the older folk walking their dogs (and with 40 of them, me as well).

It's Sunday and i can guarantee they'll be there again at 8pm. And equally guarantee nothing will be done, so yeah, i find it weird to then read about 2 40 year olds being fined in the news etc

 

[paul7388]

See the police are starting to enforce the lockdown now, what annoys me about this is how they do it. I don't think I need to tell anyone I am in favour of the lockdown, and enforcement, but a daily mail story is in the link below showing who they are targeting.

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I know the mail will have cherry picked cases, but everyone who is getting fined/arrested seem to be middle aged men and women, for crimes such as sitting down on a bench at the beach. Or those 2 women who were fined for driving 7 miles to go for a walk, and told cos they had called into starbucks on the way for a coffee, it was classed as a picnic.

Where are the stories about the parties being broken up and everyone fined? Younger people who clearly (if around here is anything to go by) take no notice of the rules.

I know 3 people who are 19-20 and all of them went to parties at New Year, different ones. All the parties had 20-30 people there, not one knock on the door from the police, and I haven't heard any anyone getting a visit up here either.

I can go to at least 7 locations in Sunderland where, at around 8p-11pm (and later) I will find groups of 20-30 kids sitting round, drinking cans, vodka etc. The police know they are there, they have been the usual spots for years, but they are out of sight, and just leave them as long as they don't get complaints and there's no trouble. Why aren't they getting £200 fines, if old ladies are getting them for sitting on a bench.

Exactly the reason why i say lockdowns are a farce.

Take Glasgow. We have all the warnings everywhere telling you to obey the rules etc. and police will be enforcing them.

Go into City Centre and maybe there is a lot of police about stopping people every now and again asking where they are going. Seems to be like a Police Drive few times a week all for show. Rest of time they don't care.

Now that woman i hate is talking about banning non essential takeaways and Click and Collect as too many people still out and about.

Going about it all wrong. People like me have got jobs i would say are not essential but classed as needed to work,

Yet go into all the local schemes where virus would spread. People still in and out of family, neighbours friends houses as if nothing happening.

Groups of people walk around never getting stopped where law is 2 at most and supposedly only essential reasons.

Go to all local shops etc. during day and still have usual ones in groups sitting about drinking as always. Fact it is illegal to drink outside in Glasgow in first place is irrelevant. Police never have stopped them yet they used to actually dig you up for drinking alcohol in your own garden.

But now we are under all these rules you would be expecting Police to stop all these people that have broke rules since March and are still doing it even tho we are on strict Lockdown. Never going to happen.

Fact is if it is like this with people in area i stay no doubt whole of Glasgow is like it. But it will never be enforced as Police don't care. But they will sure enough stop a group of older ladies as it is easier for them and shows they are following the rules.

Like i say the Lockdown is a complete farce the way it is done.

 

[bamberfishcake]

See the police are starting to enforce the lockdown now, what annoys me about this is how they do it. I don't think I need to tell anyone I am in favour of the lockdown, and enforcement, but a daily mail story is in the link below showing who they are targeting.

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I know the mail will have cherry picked cases, but everyone who is getting fined/arrested seem to be middle aged men and women, for crimes such as sitting down on a bench at the beach. Or those 2 women who were fined for driving 7 miles to go for a walk, and told cos they had called into starbucks on the way for a coffee, it was classed as a picnic.

Where are the stories about the parties being broken up and everyone fined? Younger people who clearly (if around here is anything to go by) take no notice of the rules.

I know 3 people who are 19-20 and all of them went to parties at New Year, different ones. All the parties had 20-30 people there, not one knock on the door from the police, and I haven't heard any anyone getting a visit up here either.

I can go to at least 7 locations in Sunderland where, at around 8p-11pm (and later) I will find groups of 20-30 kids sitting round, drinking cans, vodka etc. The police know they are there, they have been the usual spots for years, but they are out of sight, and just leave them as long as they don't get complaints and there's no trouble. Why aren't they getting £200 fines, if old ladies are getting them for sitting on a bench.

This has been a bone of contention for me for some time now regarding the targeting and issues of fines.

Nearby there is a park which cross borders two areas. One area is affluent and sought after. The other is not so nice. The side that borders the nice area is perfect and well maintained and heavily fined and enforced. The other side has a memorial park which every night has groups of youths getting up to god knows what, Wouldnt bother me but its a mess. Im talking needles and condoms seen when walking with my kids. Never enforced or looked after.

Some mornings there are road blocks and Police checking legality of cars. Its always done at peak times when people are going to work. Why at peak times when all the wronguns are in bed? They only target and fine the people who can pay as far as i am concerned. The degenrates are not worth targeting because they struggle to enforce and its not profitable.

Yesterday down at the seafront all the parking bays were suspended. At a beach where 2 metres distance is more than achievable but not the town centre where its not. The seafront bays coincidentally are right in front of affluent properties. How ironic.

 

[pinnit2014]

Exactly the reason why i say lockdowns are a farce.

Take Glasgow. We have all the warnings everywhere telling you to obey the rules etc. and police will be enforcing them.

Go into City Centre and maybe there is a lot of police about stopping people every now and again asking where they are going. Seems to be like a Police Drive few times a week all for show. Rest of time they don't care.

Now that woman i hate is talking about banning non essential takeaways and Click and Collect as too many people still out and about.

Going about it all wrong. People like me have got jobs i would say are not essential but classed as needed to work,

Yet go into all the local schemes where virus would spread. People still in and out of family, neighbours friends houses as if nothing happening.

Groups of people walk around never getting stopped where law is 2 at most and supposedly only essential reasons.

Go to all local shops etc. during day and still have usual ones in groups sitting about drinking as always. Fact it is illegal to drink outside in Glasgow in first place is irrelevant. Police never have stopped them yet they used to actually dig you up for drinking alcohol in your own garden.

But now we are under all these rules you would be expecting Police to stop all these people that have broke rules since March and are still doing it even tho we are on strict Lockdown. Never going to happen.

Fact is if it is like this with people in area i stay no doubt whole of Glasgow is like it. But it will never be enforced as Police don't care. But they will sure enough stop a group of older ladies as it is easier for them and shows they are following the rules.

Like i say the Lockdown is a complete farce the way it is done.

Probably easier to give 41 year olds Betty and Billy from Bearsden a fine than 'mad for it Callum' from Castlemilk, one

Non essential takeways? I hope you're writing to her to inform her there are no such thing? What next, telling us here there are things called fruit instead to eat? F Off.

 

[paul7388]

Probably easier to give 41 year olds Betty and Billy from Bearsden a fine than 'mad for it Callum' from Castlemilk, one

Non essential takeways? I hope you're writing to her to inform her there are no such thing? What next, telling us here there are things called fruit instead to eat? F Off.

Exactly no such thing as a non essential takeaway.

Will just wait and see what crap she comes out with this week.

Expect to see her stopping football for a while again. Don't know how she would be able to stop takeways. To me that is essential especially for people that can not get to shops.

Anyway got to stage i just go whatever and continue as normal.

To be fair tho it is hard for Politicians. Never thought i would say it but they are on a hiding to nothing. They can bring as many rules out as they want to try and make things better but unless people follow them then it is pointless.

As they have saw themselves for a Lockdown that is meant to be stricter than March there is way more people out and about. Streets are Busy, Public transport is busier. Way more people about and with it being winter you would think it would be the opposite. Who wants to be outside freezing lol but many are.

She can do whatever she wants doesn't bother me unless she turns around and tries to ban me from My Fecking Chicken Curry , Rice Chips and Prawn Crackers. Then all Hell will Break loose lol.

 

[pinnit2014]

Exactly no such thing as a non essential takeaway.

Will just wait and see what crap she comes out with this week.

Expect to see her stopping football for a while again. Don't know how she would be able to stop takeways. To me that is essential especially for people that can not get to shops.

Anyway got to stage i just go whatever and continue as normal.

To be fair tho it is hard for Politicians. Never thought i would say it but they are on a hiding to nothing. They can bring as many rules out as they want to try and make things better but unless people follow them then it is pointless.

As they have saw themselves for a Lockdown that is meant to be stricter than March there is way more people out and about. Streets are Busy, Public transport is busier. Way more people about and with it being winter you would think it would be the opposite. Who wants to be outside freezing lol but many are.

She can do whatever she wants doesn't bother me unless she turns around and tries to ban me from My Fecking Chicken Curry , Rice Chips and Prawn Crackers. Then all Hell will Break loose lol.

Storming Holyrood for a week without chicken balls could be justified. Unlike America, i can't see any condemnation based on a lack of prawn crackers.

Better not stop the football - after watching that Mcgregor wonder goal a week or so ago, we must continue without a break

 

[dealer wins]

The problem with people "flouting" lockdown rules is because they have decided the risk of dying from covid is miniscule.

If we had a virus that killed 5% of those infected, including children, no one would be outside, not even the youth.

This is yet another reason why I believe forced lockdowns are wrong.

People all get one life, we make decisions every day about the level of risk we are prepared to accept in our life, from anything from what we eat, to what we do and where we etc

I could walk down my local High St at 1am if I wanted to, I dont because the risk of me coming to harm through violence more than I am willing to take to go and get a late night kebab on a Sat night.

We need the government to give us honest info on covid, because quite frankly the lies and BS they have fed us are outrageous, and I think people have seen through this now and more and more are happy to ignore the rules, as the level of risk to seeing their family and friends has become acceptable to them.

 

[colinsunderland]

Exactly no such thing as a non essential takeaway.

I don't know what it is she's meaning, but have seen people complaining about certain types on social media recently, and can't say I don't agree with them. When they allowed takeaways to open it was so people could eat, preferably order in.

Fish and chip shops, coffee shops, cafes at the beach. The beach is heaving every day. First lockdown it was deserted. Unless you get there before 9 or after dark, you are lucky to get parked. First lockdown if you went, you would be lucky if there were 2 cars in the car park.

I saw photos of one of the chip shops the other day, groups of 5 and 6 adults with kids in the queue, must have been close to 100 people waiting to be served. The rules are you can go out for exercise and meet one person, not go down the beach for fish and chips for a day out with 2-3 other families. Same with the likes of Costa and Starbucks. I don't think it's essential for anyone to get a cup of coffee, unless maybe in a motorway service station. Nor is it essential for a seaside chippy to open, or a coffee shop in the same location.

Theres a pub down the beach (Granny Annies for anyone who knows Roker) who before the lockdown, when we were in Tier 4, were serving 'takeaway' pints. Takeaway meant everyone would buy them, walk 10 yards to a large shelter (meant for people to shelter from the rain when they are at the beach), then stand there having a session. There were regularly 150+ people there, and although the shelters large, there's no way they could have been socially distanced in the area they were in. 20 could have possibly been ok, at a squeeze. Police did nothing, that went on from before Christmas until the full lockdown. A pint isn't essential.

I do have sympathy for the businesses though too, if they close voluntarily it makes it a lot harder to get the grants/loans/furlough, and you run the risk of, even if you do get it, be made to pay it back. You have to show you have been negatively affected by it, and during the first lockdown, they were told to close. Now they can open. Theres growing concern in businesses that if they just close, then they will have to pay any grant back, as they might get told, but you chose to close, therefore you caused the loss in trade, not the government, so we want the grant back.

 

[colinsunderland]

the lies and BS they have fed us are outrageous

How ironic that you would complain about someone else telling lies and giving BS

 

[colinsunderland]

The problem with people "flouting" lockdown rules is because they have decided the risk of dying from covid is miniscule.

The problem with people breaking the law is exactly that, they are breaking the law. You can't just pick and choose what laws to follow just because you don't like one, or the chance of you doing any harm or being caught is miniscule.

 

[Slottery]

They can bring as many rules out as they want to try and make things better but unless people follow them then it is pointless.

That's how it pretty much is. Dunno would it really be necessary to lock people to their homes and not allow people to be outside in fresh air, having many walks they etc... Outdoors haven't been really issue in spreading this virus.

People follow rules and laws much better if they find them reasonable but once people think something is pure nonsense, there is no real will to follow them. If there would be law to tomorrow that everybody have to brush teeth with left hand, don't think many would follow, i wouldn't. Some of these restrictions how far and how often you can move from your home start to be in same level which in real world have nothing to do with spreading virus.

What is not justice and fairness may not be law

Is said in official guide for judges in many countries for centuries or years, dunno why people would think any different. If these kind of centuries old things suddenly feel forgotten, people tempt not to follow them

"The good of the common man is the supreme law"

What is neither just not equitable, cannot be the law; it is for the equity in the law that it is accepted.

All law shall by applied with wisdom, because the greatest justice is the greatest injustice, and mercy shall be included in all justice.

The good of the common man is the supreme law; and therefore, what is found useful for the common man shall be deemed the law even if the words of a written law would seem to order otherwise.

Loads of examples in previous posts how people seem to feel about some restrictions enforced and how necessary and reasonable they partly are and how you can make them all totally pointless when you selectively punish few people and law is not same for all. Happily not living in place where leaving from home to have walk few times a day could end up to be fined or in jail it's best (and even less in some countries you might get shooted from that).

 

[colinsunderland]

Loads of examples in previous posts how people seem to feel about some restrictions enforced and how necessary and reasonable they partly are and how you can make them all totally pointless when you selectively punish few people and law is not same for all. Happily not living in place where leaving from home to have walk few times a day could end up to be fined or in jail it's best (and even less in some countries you might get shooted from that).

I think it depends on what you call reasonable though. I don't think theres many people who, before March, would have went out for exercise 3 or 4 times a day. Most the people I see going out that often don't usually do it once a day. Obviously if you have a dog and take it for a walk before and after work, that shouldn't result in a fine, but the whole point of the laws is to keep people at home as much as possible, while still allowing them to go out and see a friend or family member once a day.

I do go for a walk along the beach most days, and have for about 10 years. I can say with absolute certainty that, this time of year, this sort of weather, when I usually go, around 10-11am, there would normally be no more than about 20-30 cars in the car parks. I went on Wednesday and couldn't get parked. There are over 300 spaces. I usually grab a coffee when I'm down there, again, this time of year, if there are 2 people in front of me, I would think, wtf, why's it so busy. When I was down the other day I counted 18 people waiting to be served. It's not that busy on a hot bank holiday ffs. The rules aren't meant to make everywhere busier, they are meant to make places quieter.

We have more deaths now than at any point we have had since this began. More people in hospital. Then you have people travelling 100's of miles to look at seals or go for a walk in the hills. Is it really that hard to just stay local for a few weeks and only go out once a day for a walk. When people just ignore everything it just causes the cases to go up and we end up with tighter restrictions, which has been proven time and time again. During the first lockdown all the numbers went down to hardly anything, then people started taking the piss, the figures rose and we ended up back where we started.

 

[Slottery]

I think it depends on what you call reasonable though. I don't think theres many people who, before March, would have went out for exercise 3 or 4 times a day. Most the people I see going out that often don't usually do it once a day. Obviously if you have a dog and take it for a walk before and after work, that shouldn't result in a fine, but the whole point of the laws is to keep people at home as much as possible, while still allowing them to go out and see a friend or family member once a day.

I do go for a walk along the beach most days, and have for about 10 years. I can say with absolute certainty that, this time of year, this sort of weather, when I usually go, around 10-11am, there would normally be no more than about 20-30 cars in the car parks. I went on Wednesday and couldn't get parked. There are over 300 spaces. I usually grab a coffee when I'm down there, again, this time of year, if there are 2 people in front of me, I would think, wtf, why's it so busy. When I was down the other day I counted 18 people waiting to be served. It's not that busy on a hot bank holiday ffs. The rules aren't meant to make everywhere busier, they are meant to make places quieter.

We have more deaths now than at any point we have had since this began. More people in hospital. Then you have people travelling 100's of miles to look at seals or go for a walk in the hills. Is it really that hard to just stay local for a few weeks and only go out once a day for a walk. When people just ignore everything it just causes the cases to go up and we end up with tighter restrictions, which has been proven time and time again. During the first lockdown all the numbers went down to hardly anything, then people started taking the piss, the figures rose and we ended up back where we started.

I was reading these examples from article you linked, these just for many don't seem not to feel reasonable for many. If making this kind of laws which can be combared to prisoning (people with their footbands making their sentences), you really should be able to show it't necessary.

People driving in their cars don't spread viruses much around them, people having walks outside in not crowded places not really much spread viruses etc.. If you enforce people to follow some this hard laws, you should be able to somehow show these are needed, it's not making hospitalization levels any lower if few people sitting in parks etc... How many lifes will be saved if people don't have walks at parks, not many i guess and it would need to be, if you make (how many people living for example in UK?) tens millions of people to be prisoners at homes and you possibly save some thousands lives, it's not even near reasonable. There's reasons why these kind of law enforcements should be done quite carefully and think what exactly is needed and what is not, of course it's easiest to way to ban everything from everyone but it's not surprise that soon already majority of people start to think it's pure BS.

When you make bad rules, you get bad results. Maybe it wouldn't have been necessary to limit so much people outdoor activities and other things which don't have much any scientical support that spread this virus. These numbers of people everywhere is quite clear evidence for failing to deliver people message that all these measures are really necessary or we destroy, it seems many don't buy that. Of course again its' easiest way to just lockup everybody to homes but it's not something many accept is necessary and then we can here wonder why everybody are not following them 100%. I'm pretty sure that these restrictions in UK are not made by experts of virologist who been researching it's spreading or then they for some reason have got totally different results than most of the world who don't think that locking people home would help much.

 

[shadow123]

Stopping click and collect for groceries would be stupid,the guys dont go anywhere near you, they open the boot and stick
the stuff in, far safer than going into the supermarket.The police still have an attitude that walking is safer than driving.

The lockdown requires common sense on both sides, people are far more likely to comply if they can see a reason or
logic behind the police operations.

 

[dionysus]

We're on lockdown now but some heavier measures look to be coming

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[bigbear]

Are there ANY actual good days now, mack?

And yes....I am being serious.

This forum, in its current state, is not anywhere near the forum that I once knew and loved.
It is now a pale shadow of its once great self.

And that was me being tactful. The honest version might have got me banned.

Yours heavy-heartedly
MCG

I completely get where you are coming from.This thread has become so bloated that it now dominates the forum.It used to be the case that you could not visit for a few days and when you logged in again there would be a dozen new threads to look at.The number of new threads now is getting less and less all the time.At more than 500 pages i would not be sorry for Bryan to call time and close it down.

 

[colinsunderland]

I completely get where you are coming from.This thread has become so bloated that it now dominates the forum.It used to be the case that you could not visit for a few days and when you logged in again there would be a dozen new threads to look at.The number of new threads now is getting less and less all the time.At more than 500 pages i would not be sorry for Bryan to call time and close it down.

There's about 5 people regularly post in the thread, I hardly think it's the reason the rest of the forum is quiet! If you don't like it, don't read it surely?

 

[shadow123]

Seeing as Covid is something that affects all of us everyday, would have thought it natural that it would be busy,
doesnt stop anyone posting to or reading other threads, not like we are rationed.

 

[bigbear]

There's about 5 people regularly post in the thread, I hardly think it's the reason the rest of the forum is quiet! If you don't like it, don't read it surely?

I didn't say i didn't like it.I have followed it for the majority of the time but most of the opinions are just being regurgitated by the same people and throwing up different facts and figures to support their particular view.Whether that is putting people off is a mute point.And yes i completely agree that the number of regular posters is probably in single figures and it would be good to see more participation from the silent majority.However that is just my point of view,obviously others disagree which is their perogative .

 

[colinsunderland]

I didn't say i didn't like it.I have followed it for the majority of the time but most of the opinions are just being regurgitated by the same people and throwing up different facts and figures to support their particular view.Whether that is putting people off is a mute point.And yes i completely agree that the number of regular posters is probably in single figures and it would be good to see more participation from the silent majority.

did you change your name so it looks like there's 6 people posting now

 

[bigbear]

Yes,the postings just happened to coincide with me changing my username.Probably looked like i was trying to boost the number of posters but not the case

 

[geordiecolin]

This is from a friend of a friend on facebook who had been in East Surrey Hospital about 6 weeks ago.

"I have got to self isolate for 14 days because the stupid hospital put a patient on our ward who was COVID positive and she brought things from the shop for us so of course she touched the bits and then we did and she knew she had COVID but didn’t even wear a mask .
I’m so cross that she was wasn’t put in a side room instead of moving her off one bay into our bay"
Then
"yes they knew because they tried to move her back to the bay she came from so it stayed in same bay and the sister and patient were arguing and the patient said I will wear my mask .
One of the other patients on my bay went and had a right go at ward manager for putting us at risk as I’m vulnerable and she has ovarian cancer and there were two elderly patients on bay as well . Hope Jodie feels better soon , has she got it bad ?"
Then
"I would have said she was Asymptomatic because you never would have known she was positive and she was also a mental health patient with a one too one so they go where they want because hospital can’t stop them hun xx"

Luckily she survived that scare only to have to go back in over xmas for a non covid related illness. I feel almost dirty now but I followed her posts on her wall up until a few days and which where awful to read. Sadly she has now died of Covid . This time round she did catch it in hospital. Her words on her facebook are testament to how devastating Covid is to those with underlying health conditions. It is also obvious how rapidly the number of cases shot up in that hospital,how so many staff caught Covid and those that needing beds in their " Hot Wards"

They originally tested her with a swab after she started showing symptoms and complained of feeling unwell. That test took 72 hours to get a result until her showed obvious symptoms of it. Then she was given a test that showed the results in less that 2 hours. Why use the 72 hour test in the first place when she could be passing it on to fellow "none covid"patients in her "non covid" ward?

 

[colinsunderland]

Just to say, the 2 hour test is pretty unreliable, which is why they try not to use them

RIP, another victim in all this

 

[geordiecolin]

Just to say, the 2 hour test is pretty unreliable, which is why they try not to use them

RIP, another victim in all this

Many of her friends where posting that she was in the right place. The right place was where she caught it and was lucky not to have caught it 6 weeks ago.
Something needs addressing IMO