Cherry Red Issue

[Casinomeister]

...I'm more concerned with the points you have posted that I mentioned in my last post. i.e Moneybookers transfers, private data, and the T&C's...

Yeah - okay. I wonder why.

...I've had a couple of transfers from people at work and now I am just hoping they haven't done anything naughty with Casinos, as I'd be grouped in with them...

Do these people use your computer? That would be a bummer for you.

... I've transferred money to the Virtual Group before, does that make me rogue?

No. What makes you "rogue" is having more than one account in this forum and lying about it.

tonyg82 and ggray89 are one in the same. This was brought to our attention some time ago (Vortran notified us in April), and their (his) accounts are now closed. Go play your games somewhere else. You're not wanted here. Bye.

 

[jetset]

Jeez - these guys just never learn.....

 

[RobWin]

So sorry Robwin...less than careful read and I got confused about which banned member was which.

And I was careful to say possibly. My mistake and I apologize.

No need to apologize Jasmine, I just thought that maybe you had read something or heard something that I had not..

 

[zebedy]

Basically that's quite true. I've been in the business a long time, though in a much different capacity that my current role here at CM, so I knew that player fraud was an issue. What I didn't know was how big an issue it is, several times larger a problem than I would have guessed.

Its a pity you cant post what some of these fraudsters try and get up to, i bet it would be a good read, maybe in later years you could write a book about it, i bet it would be a best seller , btw if you do write it and you make a mint dont forget who gave you the idea hmm 10% ok

 

[3dfella]

Please forgive the strength of this post from a newbie here but I have been a long time "lurker" here who has been so motivated by this issue that I felt compelled to sign up and post.

Regardless of any issues concerning fraudsters proven or otherwise. It is against the law to share private data with anyone without the express permission of the person whose data is being shared. This applies to websites selling my email address and moneybookers informing a casino who or why I send or receive money from equally.

The only difference between the two being that Moneybookers has a regulatory body who can shut them down for doing so.

The proper way for Moneybookers to behave would have been for them to request a list of all the people who were suspected of fraud/collusion and for Moneybookers to perform their own investigation.

I am absolutely appalled by the potential breach of privacy I have read about amongst these pages and I urge both Casinomeister and MaxD to provide any evidence they possess of Moneybookers sharing information to both the FSA and the UK Finanical Ombudsman.

This is serious and if I was a victim of this I would be pushing for a severe punishment.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Please forgive the strength of this post from a newbie here but I have been a long time "lurker" here who has been so motivated by this issue that I felt compelled to sign up and post.

Regardless of any issues concerning fraudsters proven or otherwise. It is against the law to share private data with anyone without the express permission of the person whose data is being shared. This applies to websites selling my email address and moneybookers informing a casino who or why I send or receive money from equally.

The only difference between the two being that Moneybookers has a regulatory body who can shut them down for doing so.

The proper way for Moneybookers to behave would have been for them to request a list of all the people who were suspected of fraud/collusion and for Moneybookers to perform their own investigation.

I am absolutely appalled by the potential breach of privacy I have read about amongst these pages and I urge both Casinomeister and MaxD to provide any evidence they possess of Moneybookers sharing information to both the FSA and the UK Finanical Ombudsman.

This is serious and if I was a victim of this I would be pushing for a severe punishment.

They will do nothing other than tell Max and CM that the complaint MUST come from the person who has been wronged.
It is open to anyone who has the suspicion that their data has been illegally used to make a formal complaint to the Information Commissioner, and/or the FSA. The Information Commissioner cannot it seems levy fines, but a ruling in your favour can be used to bolster a complaint to the FSA, who might be able to require the payment of compensation to put you in the position you would have been in had the law or rules NOT been broken. This has been the basis for the FSA setting compensation amounts for the mis-selling of financial products.
The FSA could also withdraw the license from Moneybookers, who would then have to find another jurisdiction to operate from, or operate without any regulation, which is illegal for any entity seeking to attract business from UK citizens.

It does not matter how rampant player fraud is, the organisations that honest players entrust MUST behave within the law, or they are no better than the fraudsters.

Moneybookers has had many issues over the years, and I would personally NOT recommend them. Neteller, despite their many shortcomings, are better. UK players can use VISA branded debit cards to make deposits and receive withdrawals, unless they are "high rollers" wanting to deposit more than a couple of hundred at a time. Most credit cards now charge interest from day 1 for any gambling transaction, but so far Barclaycard does not. These cards are issued by FULLY regulated UK banks, and these banks would NOT be so much "in bed" with the casinos when it comes to sharing data.