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Addisyn

Addisyn

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My first withdrawal check I received on 1/29/2007 from Crazy Vegas bounced. It was the Salt Lake City bank that refused to honor it. I just got off the phone with my bank and they told me the bank refused to pay the funds. This doesn't bode well in my opinion.

I contacted Crazy Vegas and they had reissued a check on 1/24/2007. My concern is US banks aren't going to allow these checks to be paid. I also was charged a $7.00 fee for the check not clearing.

This has all gone to hell! I think it is really time for me to stop since Neteller has $960.00 of my money which I may or may not receive. Plus I have $2200.00 in withdrawals from various casinos pending from mid January.

What are your thoughts? Has the fat lady finally started singing?
 
Addisyn said:
My first withdrawal check I received on 1/29/2007 from Crazy Vegas bounced. It was the Salt Lake City bank that refused to honor it. I just got off the phone with my bank and they told me the bank refused to pay the funds. This doesn't bode well in my opinion.

I contacted Crazy Vegas and they had reissued a check on 1/24/2007. My concern is US banks aren't going to allow these checks to be paid. I also was charged a $7.00 fee for the check not clearing.

This has all gone to hell! I think it is really time for me to stop since Neteller has $960.00 of my money which I may or may not receive. Plus I have $2200.00 in withdrawals from various casinos pending from mid January.

What are your thoughts? Has the fat lady finally started singing?
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The short answer....yes, the fat lady has sung. I don't think it is an issue of whether the casinos will pay you, but rather how they will pay you. You have over $3000 tied up. I only hope you don't need that money in the short term. You may get it, and you should get it, and hopefully you will get it, but who knows when.
 
Addisyn said:
My first withdrawal check I received on 1/29/2007 from Crazy Vegas bounced. It was the Salt Lake City bank that refused to honor it. I just got off the phone with my bank and they told me the bank refused to pay the funds. This doesn't bode well in my opinion.
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This has all gone to hell! I think it is really time for me to stop since Neteller has $960.00 of my money which I may or may not receive. Plus I have $2200.00 in withdrawals from various casinos pending from mid January.

What are your thoughts? Has the fat lady finally started singing?
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I thought I heard her warming up ....

Here's what happened to 'lost' NETeller transactions (from today's NETeller press release):

Additionally, the Group has been advised that the USAO has obtained court-ordered seizure warrants seizing funds pertaining to the Groups transactions. To the best of the Groups knowledge, it believes that the amount of funds seized by the USAO or otherwise restricted by third parties does not exceed US$ 55 million. These funds were largely in the process of being transferred from the Group to its US customers or vice versa.
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Processors have been locking out US transactions left and right (probably why your check bounced) and is the reason casinos are having difficulty paying out withdrawals to US players (who are lucky enough to find a way to deposit).

It is one unholy mess. :mad:
 
I had emailed Crazy Vegas asking to be reimbursed for the $7.00 fee I incurred from the check not paying. As I had stated in my prior post their CS told me last night on the telephone a check had been reissued on 1/24/2007.

Today I received an email from them.

Dear ,

Thank you for your email.

Please note that we are now unable to pay US players to any other method, but their bank account.

The information we require for your withdrawal to be processed to your account is as follows:

Account Type: Savings or Checking
Account holder:
Bank account number:
Bank name:
Bank address:
Routing Number:

We hope this meets with your approval.

Regards,

Lex,
The Support Team
Vegas Partner Lounge
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So I guess a bank wire is the only method left? I emailed them back asking what fee they would charge for the bank wire since I have incurred $7.00 already and my bank charges $10.00 for receiving a bank wire.

They immediately answered me they will not charge a fee for this service so I will give kudos where they are due. Thank you Vegas Partner Lounge for helping out US players stuck between a rock and a hard place. I only have to assume their CS got it wrong about the check being reissued and will leave it at that.
 
I got a call from Triedent Lounge yesterday.
The CS gal told me that the check I got from them will not be hounored by the issueing bank. I told her that I had already deposited the check. She said it will not clear. They will be putting the $500 back into my account and I will have to do a ACH withdraw.

So now do I ACH to my bank account or to my NEtspend card? Any thoughts would be welcome.

I'll also let ya know haw this unfolds.

Good luck
Slugo
 
Slugo said:
I got a call from Triedent Lounge yesterday.
The CS gal told me that the check I got from them will not be hounored by the issueing bank. I told her that I had already deposited the check. She said it will not clear. They will be putting the $500 back into my account and I will have to do a ACH withdraw.

So now do I ACH to my bank account or to my NEtspend card? Any thoughts would be welcome.

I'll also let ya know haw this unfolds.

Good luck
Slugo
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I would advise sending it to your Netspend card. You will need to call them to get the account & routing numbers, then pass those along to Trident. If you decide to use your bank, you can find these numbers on the bottom of any check. :thumbsup:

PS: Some banks charge for incoming ACH transfers, and some don't. I know for a fact that Netspend does not charge for ACH deposits.
 
The routing number for an international transaction must be obtained from your bank. Since it is an international transaction it is different from the one on your checks.

Also, the routing number is different for an internet transfer. I pay my credit card bill online direct from my bank account and I had to get that routing number from my bank as well.

Just to be safe do call your bank and make sure you have the proper routing number.
 
I was kinda thinking netspend as well. the Routing and account #'s are available online. from my account menu.

I havn't heard from Trident as of yet and My bank account doesn't show the check as being returned either. Darn it not fingers crossed smilie.

good luck

Slugo
 
THE CASINOS BANK PROBABLY REFUSED TO PAY ON CHECK TO U.S.

I was wondering if there are any international banks that have branches in the u.s. I received a check from Jackpot Factory last year that came from a Las Vegas Bank(that was the address on the check). Could be they had a Bank Account in the U.S.

The only way they can identify these checks is by manually investigating a check the looks suspicious because it has the casinos name on it or is for a large amount and drawn on a foriegn bank. U.S. banks have already said there is no way to identify if a check or ACH transaction is relating to gaming. The only system presently established is for Credit Cards and wire transfers because the type of business is coded (or something to that effect)And businesses accepting and refunding to credit cards have individual idenifying numbers for their business.

Therefore, I would think the reason it was returned was because the bank that the check was drawn on refused payment. That would make sence since one of the casinos was advising players that the check they sent would not clear. THEY WERE PROBABLY INFORMED BY THE BANK THAT THEY WOULD NOT PAY ON THE CHECKS THEY(the casino group) ISSUED TO THE U.S.
 
Nope. In my fiasco 'funds' were confirmed by US issuing bank, per account number on check. There was money "as of this time".
I also saw nothing weird in the lobby when I informed my bank the next day that the check would be no good. But I could have missed a little tug on the ear, or tap on the temple :) that one girl, with that particular perfume... mmm she could distract me, I suppose...

edit: if the check or bank were on a hotlist or whatever, i would have seen it on the phone or in the bank? The casino? they done good, I just didn't get mine, bully for anyone who has! I put my play back in action and had a BALL! Throwing like it was 'their' money.

What more could a guy ask for? 426 (brutal) $4 throws on one machine? yip plenty lower and tons higher, but I had a ball!!! No bankroll now, but not because of that.. I went for one progressive, hell or high water...and got both!
 
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footdr said:

Therefore, I would think the reason it was returned was because the bank that the check was drawn on refused payment. That would make sence since one of the casinos was advising players that the check they sent would not clear. THEY WERE PROBABLY INFORMED BY THE BANK THAT THEY WOULD NOT PAY ON THE CHECKS THEY(the casino group) ISSUED TO THE U.S.
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That is just the way Trident explained it to me..Their bank would not honour the check.

And here for you to think about.

While I was looking at my account stuff at Trident the Original withdraw I had made via Neteller is listed under Payment Type as "Confiscated"!

Good Luck
Slugo
 
I might have misread footdr's post. Sorry. When my check bounces it will be because the issuing bank refuses to pay it. As I mentioned, I confirmed with the issuing bank that there was money in the account.
 
Slugo said:
Addisyn,

I just got the check back that bounced. I'm guessing that it is the same bank you had. it is from Salt Lake City...I don't know if I should say the name.

Good luck

Slugo
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Why not? If the bank is named, other players will know that the check won't be honored as soon as they get it, instead of having to pay fees for a returned check.
 
Yup that was the bank. I actually received the check back the other day. Maybe I will frame it for posterity. The beginning of the end of our freedom to throw away our own money without the Federal government's approval!

Oh thank you Big Brother for saving me from myself! (dripping with sarcasm)
 
Yip. Mine hasn't been returned to my bank yet. Wonder if it was 'confiscated'.
 
My check also bounced. I have to say they've been bending over backwards I feel to fix things. When *if* things ever cool down I know for sure I've got a trusted casino with this group...thats a big solace. Last night I got a call from them saying they'd found another way, ACH transfer, and if emailed or faxed my banking info they'd deposit the funds. I do honestly trust these people, what I don't trust or feel good about is the middle part between them and me. I was wondering if I should open another bank acct just for this and left my primary acct safe would be better (or more confusing)?
My husband suggested I ask if could just keep the monies in my casino acct with hope they'll sort things out with the US law soon. The withdrawal money would be nice but my life isn't depending on it. So I did ask and they say I can email to ask to have withdrawal reversed. But you know, if I've got money in there to play with am gonna play! Opinions?
 
Having an account exclusively for online gaming is the way to go shyspirit. If possibly there is a problem, it is much easier to track down this way. And it won't affect your main household account and bill payments w/ possible bounced checks. It is also a way to keep track of your gaming, so you know for sure, if it is possibly getting out of control, or time to mellow out on gaming a little bit?
 
I got this today after sending them my info.



Thank you for your email and banking details. We forwarded them to our Accounts department and have been advised that your ACH withdrawal will go for processing today. Please note that ACH refunds may now take up to 21 days to show in your bank account.
We apologize for this delay and Thank You for your patience.

21 days? that seems kinda long or is it CYA time frame.

good luck
Slugo
 
Under normal conditions 21 days seems astronomical. I don't know about these days.

I feel it isn't their fault, and they're trying to do all they can to make good on what they owe players. And I believe frustration levels are high all around.
And I think patience is wearing thin.
It makes it hard to know what to do, since alot can change in 3 weeks.
Am beginning to think maybe I'll push to have my withdrawal reversed.
At least I'll know where the money is sitting for 3 weeks.
And I gotta think *knowing* something now is a good thing.
 
ACH TAKING 21 DAYS

It may take them 21 days to process it, but there is no way that it takes 21 days once it is sent.

I was told that to by a casino group. I asked how it can possibly take that long when all ACH sent to me have never taken more than 2 days to reach my Bank Account. They told me they just say 21 days in case they have to send the funds by check !WHAT!!!!

Unless the casino is diverting the payment to 21 different locations before it reaches us, there is no possible way for it to take 21 days.

Their processor sends it to their Bank and that bank forwards it to the ACH who then forwards it to the Recieving institution, OUR BANK, who puts it in our account. They will only get rejected from the system if they are coded incorrectly or some required information is missing. Since their bank issued the ACH there shouldn't be a problem.

I will know soon, as I just had 2 ACH payments sent to me yesterday.
 
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MY ACH TOOK LESS THAN TWO DAYS

I cashed out on 2/22 at Grand Prive casino group and the funds have already been deposited to my Bank Account.

So, the only way it can take 21 days to be reach our bank accounts is if they wait 19 days to actually send it.

I am sick of dealing with click2pay so I am spending my funds at Casinos with ACH payout. It is so so so much easier deal with. Just have to hope I don't lose it!!!!(actually I'd rather run that risk then have to deal with withdrawal.click2pay because they said my withdrawal would be processed two days ago, yea right!!! They didn't do it)

Click2pay is really only good for deposits, not withdrawals
 
Since my check bounced I was told they were aware of the situation and they were reissuing my check. Then I received an email telling me they were sending an ACH transfer. My feeling is they have dropped the ball somewhere.

I have sent THREE requests to the Vegas Partners Group asking for the status of my withdrawal with no answer to date.

My initial withdrawal was made on 1/18. So how many days is that now? Well jeez it is now coming up on 40 days!

Has anyone else received their withdrawals from any casino groups once their checks bounced?
 
Received a bad check from referback...

Was told by my bank that the check had an invalid routing number and was no good.

I have a family member that is a bank manager, I asked him about it.

He said, the Federal Reserve (a Private Company - not part of the US Government) controls bank routing numbers, he also told me that his bank as well as all the other US banks had just received a special directive from the FBI to be on the look out for checks and wire transfers to and from online casinos and certian banks that are known to deal with online casinos (he said there was a list of 'bad' banks but he would not give me any names. However, I can tell you that the check I received from referback was from the "Korea Exchange Bank of Canada".)

He has also been told by the FBI and his boss that it is better to stop a legitmate payment in error than to allow a check from an online casino to be paid, he works for one of the top five US Banks.
 
I got this today...Looks like so $ coming my way!!!




This is to confirm that you currently have pending withdrawals worth $500.00 that we are in the process of paying.

------------------------------------------------
WHY ARE MY WITHDRAWALS DELAYED?
------------------------------------------------

A new processor was rolled out with urgency to secure a functioning option for US customers. This was done with very little lead-time. The priority was to ensure that our customers were paid their winnings and as a result service levels took a regrettable knock.

Further, you may have been required to provide additional information in the form of your bank name and your physical address, as these were additional requirements not previously required.

The good news is that the initial hiccups which caused delays have been resolved and that your withdrawal is being processed.

Please allow 10-15 business days from today (9 March) for your funds to show up in your account.

As a valued customer, we regrettably apologize for the inconvenience caused.



Good Luck

Slugo
 
Re

I dont know if it is becuase of the new law, but Last month my bank changed thier ach routing to go through the federal reserve bank ans issued new routing numbers.

Ama
 
I got this in the email today.

I went and checked and sure enough the $500 is back in the account I have requested a eco card withdraw. Lets see how long this takes. They seem to have forgotten about the $5 that the bounced check cost me...but at this point I'll be glad to see money!

Good luck

Slugo


Dear xxxx

Regarding: $500.00 Pending Withdrawal

Following our email on Friday regarding your pending withdrawal, we've found that of the confirmed amounts, certain amounts have not yet cleared to affected customers' bank accounts.

In the absence of definite confirmation on these transactions from our third-party processor, we have made the decision to process these payments via another method with priority.

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WHAT HAPPENS NOW?
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We will in the course of the next 15 hours be refunding your withdrawals to your casino account/s in full. From here, you will be able to withdraw the funds via one of the following two options from within the banking software:

EcoCard
-------------------------------------------------------
Simply sign up with EcoCard (if you're not an existing account holder) and select this as a withdrawal option for receiving your funds.

You can withdraw your funds via ACH through the EcoCard solution.

Your casino account will be credited with 10 credits to cover the cost of withdrawing via EcoCard by 8am EST tomorrow.

or

Click2Pay
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This method is available to customers with existing Click2Pay accounts only. On withdrawing from Click2Pay you have the option to receive your funds via wire transfer.

Paul, thank you so much for your continued patience throughout.

Kindest regards,

The Management and Staff
Trident Lounge Casino
 
Same email message from Bellerockentertainment

I guess all microgaming were using the same processor. Same email went out from several casinos.

Two processors later, players starting all over again. They should have returned the money to those who wanted to chose a different option after the lst processor failed middle of February.

All doors are closing on being paid. Don't see much happening to prevent deposits.

Seems the law is working in reverse if they were trying to make sure we didn't lose money gambling and wanted to stop u.s. citizens from "funding casino accounts"
 
I see that there is $500 added to my Eco card account this AM. Now I just have to Email them about the $5 for the bad check fee and the $10 they said they were sending for the Eco withdraw.

At this point I don't really care about the $15. I'm just happy to get paid!

Good Luck

Slugo
 
footdr said:
I guess all microgaming were using the same processor. Same email went out from several casinos.

Two processors later, players starting all over again. They should have returned the money to those who wanted to chose a different option after the lst processor failed middle of February.

All doors are closing on being paid. Don't see much happening to prevent deposits.

Seems the law is working in reverse if they were trying to make sure we didn't lose money gambling and wanted to stop u.s. citizens from "funding casino accounts"
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I might have it confused? Was it your check that showed as confiscated? (mentioned in another thread) search this thread, Slugo might be able to shed some light.

Good luck:thumbsup:
 
So far so good on checks

knock on wood, I deposited my checks on 3/31 and the last one posted to my bank account balance today. So far so good. Not sure if they have actually SETTLED though. Will call bank to find out.

Anyone know how to determine if deposited checks have actually SETTLED between banks?

I know bank can allow balance to be posted to account and funds spendable often before the transaction actually settles (funds received by paying bank)
 
I use the words 'memo post' to kite, but sometimes it gets them to chase the money down quickly. If that makes any sense.
 
footdr said:
Anyone know how to determine if deposited checks have actually SETTLED between banks?
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Nope. Even your bank doesn't know, until they get the OTHER bank returning it.

What banks can do as standard procedure is place "funds availability holds" on your deposited checks, that last a standard length of time (up to two weeks!), preventing you from making a withdrawal.

Somewhere there's a maximum amount of time that a bank has to refuse a check after it's been presented to them. But I don't know how long that is.
 
THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!!!

haha. Seriously, they should limit the time for a check to settle between accounts to 7 business days. This stinks.
 
EasyRhino said:
Nope. Even your bank doesn't know, until they get the OTHER bank returning it.

What banks can do as standard procedure is place "funds availability holds" on your deposited checks, that last a standard length of time (up to two weeks!), preventing you from making a withdrawal.

Somewhere there's a maximum amount of time that a bank has to refuse a check after it's been presented to them. But I don't know how long that is.
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I just had a check from another casino that I deposited and my bank put a 8 bussness day hold on it.
 
Any ideas if the USSEC would have me busted if I offered to pick up outstanding debts? Especially if I leveraged those funds with outstanding debts? I nelson Rose, any clues? GM, anybody?

These are the days of wine and roses.

I think I can hypothocate a couple hundred million and nobody loses (you'll have to discount 25% if I pick up your winnings)

Just putting it out there, not too serious
 

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