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Calvin Ayre Indicted by the DOJ
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Well, that sucks.
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It does at least explain why their long dead domain was seized earlier. It was not an isolated waste of resources, but an inevitable consequence of them going after Calvin Ayre.
It also suggests frustration on their part, as in the past they have waited till someone was on US soil long enough to be arrested, and only then were the indictments unsealed. Maybe they have given up the waiting game, and finally admitted to having the indictment that everybody was sure they had tucked away for a long time in the hope that Calvin Ayre would get careless, and stray somewhere the US could get at him, and bring him back to face charges.
He is bound to have his billions tucked away somewhere, so it is probably worth going after him even now he has distanced himself from the Bodog brand. They probably expect he is still involved somehow, even though corporate structures might suggest otherwise.
It also suggests frustration on their part, as in the past they have waited till someone was on US soil long enough to be arrested, and only then were the indictments unsealed. Maybe they have given up the waiting game, and finally admitted to having the indictment that everybody was sure they had tucked away for a long time in the hope that Calvin Ayre would get careless, and stray somewhere the US could get at him, and bring him back to face charges.
He is bound to have his billions tucked away somewhere, so it is probably worth going after him even now he has distanced himself from the Bodog brand. They probably expect he is still involved somehow, even though corporate structures might suggest otherwise.
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I agree. To be fair he has rubbed it in their faces a lot (catch me if you can!) but nobody can deny bodog was a solid and good brand overall for USA and ROW players.
I remember seeing a bodog stand at the 2006 WSOP in vegas (pre uigea), a DJ/nightclub down below and a bed with models you could pillow fight up top. Made a good change from the rest of the boring industry stands!
I just do not understand the USA's stance towards online gambling. They claim to be the land of the free but whilst 9 year old boys shoot girls with guns, its people who gamble online who get their freedoms limited.
I hope bodog/bovada go from strength to strength and Calvin sticks two fingers up at these charges.
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not only Ayre... from the article:
and more on zippayments --an old CM thread (2008) HERE
and an old endictment from the web
edited to add another link... from a 2008 Baltimore newspaper article on the zippayments guy, Kenneth Wienski....
and from Ayre's website...
and more on zippayments --an old CM thread (2008) HERE
and an old endictment from the web
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edited to add another link... from a 2008 Baltimore newspaper article on the zippayments guy, Kenneth Wienski....
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and from Ayre's website...
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Are the odds pretty good that maybe Ayre can somehow squeeze out of any charges?
Technically his name was not on the brand anymore right? I sure hope so. And yes, it does suck!
Technically his name was not on the brand anymore right? I sure hope so. And yes, it does suck!
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When you get indicted by the Federal gov., it's usually on a 99% chance that they won't lose. It'll be interesting to hear some of the legal opinions that will be coming out in the next several days.
Here is what looks to be a copy of the paper work for anyone interested
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That didn't help those EX Neteller execs who got arrested and charged, even though they no longer had anything to do with Neteller at the time of arrest.
It seems that if at any time someone was involved, they can be charged. Calvin Ayre WAS very much involved, and it was only fairly recently that he got his name off the brands. His first move was to ring fence the US side into a different company licensed and run from the Kahnawake territory, and this company didn't have Calvin Ayre's name on it. His next move was to ditch the .com and go for domains that could not be seized by the DoJ. This is why they seized a long dead domain as part of this indictment process.
So long as he stays where he is, the charges are not going to be a problem for him. I doubt he is daft enough to think that simply getting his name off the brands is going to make it safe for him to travel into a US territory, nor any country with an extradition treaty with the US.
It is probably being done to put the frightners on those operators still operating in the US, as if they can get Calvin Ayre, or at least put him in fear, other operators may be frightened into pulling out of the US and finding somewhere to hide themselves away.
It's a risk, as Calvin Ayre may decide to humiliate the DoJ yet again, perhaps by taunting them for seizing a site that has been dead for months, and unsealing an incictment they have absolutely no chance of ever using. I expect he already realises there is no way he is EVER getting a US license when regulation comes in, so there would be no point in him trying to clear things up by answering the charges, paying fines, serving time, etc.
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Looks like he's sticking to his guns. More power to him. I really don't understand why the feds waited until now to indict him, but he's probably got it right - that it's a big politically motivated media hullabaloo.
I think the feds are in for a major fight on this one; Ayre is unlikely to give them the satisfaction of turning himself in, and he will have hired top legal advice to exploit every advantage he can find in the federal arguments and accusations.
Ayre may be many things, but he's not stupid and I am pretty sure he must have seen this day coming at some point - he was just too high profile to ignore in the DoJ crusade - and he must have any number of contingency plans ready for whichever direction the enforcement attack would come.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling the industry may not be portrayed in the best way in the publicity that will inevitably flow from this, which will no doubt regurgitate the life of Ayre and his rise to online gambling fame.
It does smack of vindictiveness, bearing in mind that Ayre recognised his vulnerabilities and set up his brand franchising business instead of staying involved in online gambling as an operator/owner....or was that just a smokescreen? If it was a smokscreen the feds will have scratched out all the evidence by now before going public, I imagine.
It's going to be an interesting prosecution.
Ayre may be many things, but he's not stupid and I am pretty sure he must have seen this day coming at some point - he was just too high profile to ignore in the DoJ crusade - and he must have any number of contingency plans ready for whichever direction the enforcement attack would come.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling the industry may not be portrayed in the best way in the publicity that will inevitably flow from this, which will no doubt regurgitate the life of Ayre and his rise to online gambling fame.
It does smack of vindictiveness, bearing in mind that Ayre recognised his vulnerabilities and set up his brand franchising business instead of staying involved in online gambling as an operator/owner....or was that just a smokescreen? If it was a smokscreen the feds will have scratched out all the evidence by now before going public, I imagine.
It's going to be an interesting prosecution.
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I totally agree. Calvin may be brazen, but he's not stupid. I've attended a number of legal panels in the past several years (I'm sure you've been to some of the same
), where one argument has always been it is difficult to prosecute someone for something that is legal in your jurisdiction. This is why most of these indictments have been focused on either sportsbetting or financial transactions - and they come from Maryland (probably an overly oppressed state in the US).Note that Calvin is suggesting this in his statement "It is clear that the online gaming industry is legal under international law..."
I'm sure that Calvin has expected to face the feds sooner or later, and he would be a fool not to have a strategy already in motion. Like you said - this should be interesting.
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He will just stay in countries where they will not extradite him and nothing much will change imo.
Will bovada stay operational tho, that is what I am interested in.
Edit : When I say will bovada stay operational I dont mean due to ties with Calvin, I mean under the pressure of all this seizing of funds etc that is going on in the USA. Will any site continue to try and dance around the DOJ and service the residents of the USA? I sure hope so.
Will bovada stay operational tho, that is what I am interested in.
Edit : When I say will bovada stay operational I dont mean due to ties with Calvin, I mean under the pressure of all this seizing of funds etc that is going on in the USA. Will any site continue to try and dance around the DOJ and service the residents of the USA? I sure hope so.
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I don't follow casinos at all, but as far as poker goes, I suspect in 6 months there will be two US facing online poker networks. Bodog/Bovada and Winning Poker Network (Bookmaker, True Poker, Americascardroom, 5Dimes etc). I suspect Intertops will find their way to one of those networks. Of course it is all speculation, but Cake is a house of cards IMO and Merge just makes me nervous for reasons I cannot describe.
Yeah same here, I wont play on merge I have a bad feeling something is going to happen. I do play on cake once and awhile but Ive read on twoplustwo their withdrawls are painfully slow plus minimum cashouts of like $500 for a cheque or osmething like that (which doesnt matter for alot of people because they can use ewallets)
I mainly stick to pokerstars
I mainly stick to pokerstars
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If you are going to play on Cake play on Intertops, or since you are outside the US, Poker World. They have separate cashiers from Cake and are tied to very reputable sports books.
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I find the whole thing makes a mockery of the US legal system. It is fair enough that they have needed time to gather evidence, but its all so late in the day. 4 years to getting round to making this happen is rediculous, considering they jumped on BetonSports, Neteller and Party to an extent from day 1.
I am pretty sure Calvin has a plan, he owns a submarine for a start
I am pretty sure Calvin has a plan, he owns a submarine for a start
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From the article, it appears a disgruntled X employee fed them what they needed to move forward.
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Maybe it was one of the Ayreheads, any of these girls could be potentially disgruntled: xxhttp://ayreheads.com/
It is also likely that at least one of the payment processors the DoJ has nailed has been collaborating to get a lighter punishment - for example one of those back in 2008, where the court records suddenly disappeared from public view and the DoJ had nothing to say about it.
I think the enforcement people must be reaping a rich harvest of information from scared processors, several of whom have already entered guilty pleas.
I think the enforcement people must be reaping a rich harvest of information from scared processors, several of whom have already entered guilty pleas.
Maybe it was one of the Ayreheads, any of these girls could be potentially disgruntled: xxhttp://ayreheads.com/
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American money has to stay in the U.S. The rest of the worlds money has to make it's way to the U.S. and stay there. This is how we pay for "Team America World Police"
My life is full of American products, one day, it won't be!
My life is full of American products, one day, it won't be!
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America's economy is full of Chinese money.
The Chinese like to save for the future, and as the country is booming, a fair bit of this is being invested in the US. If China pulled out en-masse, the US economy would be in serious trouble. I bet if China started licensing US facing online casinos, the DoJ would have it's wings clipped.
The sudden disapearance of court records already released into the public domain looks more like an old school Soviet attempt to delete or rewrite history. It is pointless, and obviously so, because people have seen the records, maybe even made a copy, and their deletion and denial they ever existed only serves to draw attention to something that was likely to be of interest to a select few.
This is "cold war" tactics, along with "spies", "secret agents", etc, yet is not about a threat to national security or the future survival of the planet, it is merely an attempt to pander to the demands of the commercial sector. The same allegation has been made about the failed SOPA bill.
My Nephew shared something pretty revealing about this on Facebook. Someone uploaded a video they had recorded in the wilderness that was just them picking and eating a wild salad to a background of birdsong. You Tube hit it with a copyright violation, and added their ads to it. The agents acting for the alleged holder of this copyright then reviewed this autodetection and confirmed the violation. This created quite a stir in a forum, yet it took the copyright agents DAYS to "process" the fact that they had got it wrong, and then set things right.
The underlying theme was that there was "instant justice", with action being taken immediately, yet the process of appeal was anything but "instant". It also shows just how aggressively sites would have been taken down had SOPA made it into law. Even though they admit they got it wrong, they explained that they DID have some tracks that "sounded like birdsong" who's artists they were representing, which is why this video soundtrack got nabbed in the first place by the automated system. The view seems to be that "we own the copyright of whatever is there, unless proven otherwise"
To prove this was no "one off", a couple of nerdy types uploaded a couple more videos. One was a bass drum beat alone, no backing music, and another was near random noise and static generated by "Audacity" software. BOTH got nabbed by YouTube for copyright violations
Worse still, this was US law and procedures being applied to a world wide site, just another example that the US believes it owns the internet, and all content on it has to meet US rules.
The companies opened themselves up to ridicule, and boy did they get it
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Calvin didn't become as rich as he is, by being stupid. A good, smart Canuck boy.
I'm hoping he can do for online gaming, what Larry Flynt did for published pornography. Larry Flynt is one of my heros...not because I'm a pornography hound (or a fan of Hustler), lol....but because he had the balls to fight for what he believed in. No one is forced to buy, watch or read pornography, but as long as it doesn't involve children, then as far as I know, we still live in free countries, and as such....it should be our choice. Same with online gambling. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to gamble online...but people deserve the choice to do so if they wish.
I really hope that at last the DOJ has come up against someone not only willing to tell them to get their heads out of their ass...but also with the resources to put up a worthy fight. Go Calvin!!
I'm hoping he can do for online gaming, what Larry Flynt did for published pornography. Larry Flynt is one of my heros...not because I'm a pornography hound (or a fan of Hustler), lol....but because he had the balls to fight for what he believed in. No one is forced to buy, watch or read pornography, but as long as it doesn't involve children, then as far as I know, we still live in free countries, and as such....it should be our choice. Same with online gambling. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to gamble online...but people deserve the choice to do so if they wish.
I really hope that at last the DOJ has come up against someone not only willing to tell them to get their heads out of their ass...but also with the resources to put up a worthy fight. Go Calvin!!
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Here, here!
Just this once, it would be nice to read about someone indicted for online gambling NOT rolling over. At least go down screaming bloody murder.....
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Calvin didn't become as rich as he is, by being stupid. A good, smart Canuck boy.
I'm hoping he can do for online gaming, what Larry Flynt did for published pornography. Larry Flynt is one of my heros...not because I'm a pornography hound (or a fan of Hustler), lol....but because he had the balls to fight for what he believed in. No one is forced to buy, watch or read pornography, but as long as it doesn't involve children, then as far as I know, we still live in free countries, and as such....it should be our choice. Same with online gambling. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to gamble online...but people deserve the choice to do so if they wish.
I really hope that at last the DOJ has come up against someone not only willing to tell them to get their heads out of their ass...but also with the resources to put up a worthy fight. Go Calvin!!
Well said, +1 million.
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I see that Calvin Ayre published a "Calvin Ayre Goes Suit Shopping"-video today.
We follow Calvin Ayre in his usual daily dose (drinks in one hand, the other wrap around a model), of suit shopping in one of the finest (Ozwald Boateng) classical British tailoring style.
yeye..."business as usual", but still a bit over the top maybe
We follow Calvin Ayre in his usual daily dose (drinks in one hand, the other wrap around a model), of suit shopping in one of the finest (Ozwald Boateng) classical British tailoring style.
yeye..."business as usual", but still a bit over the top maybe
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I have to admit, I don't like Ayre. He's a raging douche. That said, I am enjoying watching him rub his success in the face of the DOJ in ways I can barely describe. I hope he never gets caught.
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Thats Ayr utd goosed now then lol
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