Btg how do you get away with it

[neon claws]

What you wrote is right only on one condition: there is unlimited money available for spend by the players.

No it isn't.
Whether the player loses $0.14 per $1 spin on average or $0.04 the typical gambler will still end up losing their $100 bankroll eventually and the provider has made $100, the only difference being the average speed at which it occurs and the players experience and thus likelihood to return to the game in future.

 

[brianmon]

No it isn't.
Whether the player loses $0.14 per $1 spin on average or $0.04 the typical gambler will still end up losing their $100 bankroll eventually and the provider has made $100, the only difference being the average speed at which it occurs and the players experience and thus likelihood to return to the game in future.

If that's the case then why are casinos lowering the RTP, giving players a worse experience?

 

[abuyang]

Whether the player loses $0.14 per $1 spin on average or $0.04 the typical gambler will still end up losing their $100 bankroll eventually and the provider has made $100, the only difference being the average speed at which it occurs and the players experience and thus likelihood to return to the game in future.

Imagine the money that all the gamblers of the world are ready to spend in the next month as a pie. With Playngo’s (84%) bite being 4 times bigger than Btg’s (96%) and assuming all the other factors being equal - who will get the bigger share of the pie at the end of the month? The answer is obvious.

 

[brianmon]

Imagine the money that all the gamblers of the world are ready to spend in the next month as a pie. With Playngo’s (84%) bite being 4 times bigger than Btg’s (96%) and assuming all the other factors being equal - who will get the bigger share of the pie at the end of the month? The answer is obvious.

It's actually the casinos who get the bigger share. they'll get the 4% / 16%, the providers then get a percentage of that amount. IIRC about 10%, but it varies. So although there could be a difference for the providers, it won't be quite so dramatic.

 

[abuyang]

It's actually the casinos who get the bigger share. they'll get the 4% / 16%, the providers then get a percentage of that amount. IIRC about 10%, but it varies. So although there could be a difference for the providers, it won't be quite so dramatic.

Still 10% of 16% is 4 times bigger number than 10% of 4%. Quite dramatic change by any measure.

 

[mack341]

Every time I touch a 94% png, just with leftover pennies mostly, they are absolutey vile. How can a constant near run of 20 dead spins be gambling fun for the mass public, it's guaranteed losing at quick pace. Yet the same games at 96% were in my experience some of the more less risky, fun games to play. It's staggering to me that 2% could change the odds that much for the frequency of base game wins and landing the feature.

 

[cncas2123]

Still 10% of 16% is 4 times bigger number than 10% of 4%. Quite dramatic change by any measure.

But you are making the supposition that for every pound spent on png @ 84% a pound is spent on btg @96%. i would doubt very much if the spend on those providers are the same pound for pound and its unlikely that happens.
it could very well be that btg are getting 4% of £90 and png are getting 16% of £10 for every £100 spent and much prefer the 4% take than the 16% in those circumstances.

 

[Kroffe]

Every time I touch a 94% png, just with leftover pennies mostly, they are absolutey vile. How can a constant near run of 20 dead spins be gambling fun for the mass public, it's guaranteed losing at quick pace. Yet the same games at 96% were in my experience some of the more less risky, fun games to play. It's staggering to me that 2% could change the odds that much for the frequency of base game wins and landing the feature.

To me it makes alot more sense if instead of thinking 'its just 2%' you instead think 'the house just increased its edge with 50%'
Its hard enough to win on a 96% slot, so giving the house an extra 50% edge is sure to make it harder.

And on many sites its not 'only' a 50% increase its 100% or more.
And the higher the rtp was on the slot in the beginning the bigger the difference will be of course.
On slots like bloodsuckers that normally run on 98% rtp the drop to 94% means you give the house an extra 200% edge.

No more math, ran out of fingers to count on.

 

[hhhelllo]

BTG is dreadful indeed. Until it pays.
Recently made 3500$ with a 20$ deposit on royal mint and lil devil. Am I up on these games? Nope.

 

[Daavid63]

I can 100% agree with this statement.

But the reality is that you account for a very small percentage of players that play as a form of entertainment
and not as an addiction.

The question is why would a player keep hitting the spin button if a particular slot keeps slaughtering their balance
and they wholeheartedly believe that the game they're playing is without a shadow of a

 

[Jono777]

All of this could (and should) be VERY easily avoided

Simply get all licence issuers MGA/UKGC/ etc etc to put a rule in place, something realistic for all like "All games on offer must carry an RTP of at least 94%" otherwise you'll be fined along with the rest of rule breaking conditions.

However back in the real world, this will never happen due to one simple word, I have used time and again on these subjects, GREED!

 

[hhhelllo]

All of this could (and should) be VERY easily avoided

Simply get all licence issuers MGA/UKGC/ etc etc to put a rule in place, something realistic for all like "All games on offer must carry an RTP of at least 94%" otherwise you'll be fined along with the rest of rule breaking conditions.

However back in the real world, this will never happen due to one simple word, I have used time and again on these subjects, GREED!

Well they did… but 87 was their greedy number. Fkn pigs

 

[gonzo fonso]

no point getting excited no more,once that removal of autoplay kicks in october thats it,even Nick slots its looking like isnt even gonna bother no more,and with uploads of streams from uk players getting lesser and lesser that says it all about slotting in the uk,its over

 

[thr0b]

I suspect you over-estimate the importance of auto-play to most people. I personally doubt that the vast majority of people are loading games in order to set 100 spins while they’re doing something else.

Which is why getting rid of them is futile anyway.

 

[Jono777]

Yeah, I've never really got the big issue with auto removal.

People mention 'doing other things' however I thought the whole idea (if you are in to it) of slotting was to get involved, enjoy the session, relax, swap games (talking pre rigged times of course )

My 'other things' are all long done before even the thought of a slots session crosses my mind, get them out of the way first as priority THEN (try) and relax and unwind with a session.

Again it is another case of being seen to be doing the "right thing" without any previous knowledge and experience of where the problems truly lie, something we've seen time and again and will sadly see lots more evidence of in coming times.

 

[gonzo fonso]

I suspect you over-estimate the importance of auto-play to most people. I personally doubt that the vast majority of people are loading games in order to set 100 spins while they’re doing something else.

Which is why getting rid of them is futile anyway.

in a nutshell the main reason for the removal of autospins is to put people off doing endless spins on slots,there would be no other logic reason why they are removing them

 

[kennygamerboy]

in a nutshell the main reason for the removal of autospins is to put people off doing endless spins on slots,there would be no other logic reason why they are removing them

It’s a joke they have no idea about why most people use auto spin I for one use it to keep track of loss and so I know when to walk away from a slot without auto spin there’s nothing telling you you’ve reached a loss limit

 

[Slottery]

I suspect you over-estimate the importance of auto-play to most people. I personally doubt that the vast majority of people are loading games in order to set 100 spins while they’re doing something else.

Which is why getting rid of them is futile anyway.

In regulators opinion that is bad thing to do and they thought it's better not to have this function as it might cause gambling problems and they think it's not entertainment gambling anymore if people don't even look at their spins but do other things and just leave slot to eat your money and just take another set of 100 spins once finished....

Maybe the world is a safer place without autoplay (at least lovely regulator believe it is)

 

[trancemonkey]

Apart from a few dogs, have found most BTG games play reasonably consistant and fair.Having said that I get the feeling
that there is a quite a lot of stuff going off in the background we dont know about.
At least as far as I know there is only one rtp setting for each game and that never changes, a rarity for most developers.
One game which always seemed to play well under the rtp for me was Donuts until a couple of big hits which put it bang on target.

Depending on the volatility, anywhere up to 100k would have you within 1% of the target, assuming a 95% confidence level

 

[trancemonkey]

Not sure they are 'easily disproven', the slots and casino industry is hardly the most transparent entity, basically the end user has to trust the system, which means that all the businesses act with honesty and integrity, and the regulating bodies know the technical side inside out, and their system of checks is very thorough. As people have mentioned previously look at VW and the emissions scandal, which involved software tricks deceiving the tests.

Except we have to provide ALL the source code. Which VW didn't. Hardly the same is it.

 

[mack341]

Except we have to provide ALL the source code. Which VW didn't. Hardly the same is it.

I was aware you mentioned previously the source code is provided to the testing house(?) but my memory was sketchy, I did not know that regarding VW, I assumed someone had the source code in order to detect the cheat within it.

edit: any view on the netent streetfighter exploit, should that have been detected in a source code review/examination by the testing house or netent's software programmers?

 

[mack341]

For completeness:

Probably the same reason as the VW scandal, things can be hidden in software. I thought I recall Trance saying they do look at the code but I may have been imagining that.

 

[dec2008mcl]

Has nobody found a suitable /acceptable/trustworthy online non ukgc establishment, if you get my Nestle Drifter

 

[trancemonkey]

I was aware you mentioned previously the source code is provided to the testing house(?) but my memory was sketchy, I did not know that regarding VW, I assumed someone had the source code in order to detect the cheat within it.

edit: any view on the netent streetfighter exploit, should that have been detected in a source code review/examination by the testing house or netent's software programmers?

Street Fighter was bad design, coding and testing. But test houses test stakes in isolation, as they should unless for some reason I can't imagine, some game requires changes to stake.

But as the exploit was to do with changing stake, this would likely not have been caught by GLI (for example)

 

[Big Time Gaming]

In response to the op @kennygamerboy, we have historically answered all reasonable questions. In regards to your post, to use the word rigged is wrong as it denotes dishonest manipulation. Slots are created for the house to win / player to lose, this is an honest fact. Our games are for entertainment and amusement, we're really not providing a get-rich-quick scheme! We provide the RTP clearly for our games and don't give operators the option to change them. The RTP may fluctuate from session to session, but it will be bang on the RTP over the lifetime of a game.

However, having said that, I would recommend if you are significantly behind on a game, it would be wise to stop as it may take a huge bankroll to get you back to an RTP relevent position depending on the volatility of the slot in question.

In terms of how compliance works, @trancemonkey is possibly the most accurate and trusted source of correct information related to how this works regarding testing, etc, as he is not affiliated with us in any way. He is, in fact, a ray of non-bias light in what seems to be a long and murky tunnel for most.

In terms of our sale to Evolution, nothing has changed; we are still releasing games via our partners, namely, SG Digital, Microgaming, and Relax, and no math or RTP has changed as everything is still the same as the day it was launched (in terms of RTP) the only changes we make are for patches to fix bugs/updates for new versions of iOS/Windows, etc.

I'm still here as CEO of BTG for the long term, and happy to discuss/answer any topics/questions. I'm looking forward to revealing what we will be doing with Evolution in the next few years, some great times ahead, and we'll have some wonderful innovations to share with you all in the not-too-distant future!

Cheers!

 

[gatista1234]

autospins with a turbo function when?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Ahh I’m glad you are here to answer questions as I have a couple for you. Please let it be known I’m not some bitter player, who’s just run bad for a few thousand spins and comes on here calling you out for adjusting games and reducing rtp, or any of that nonsense.

I actually mainly play ur games only (apart from the most recent which are awful imo) but I appreciate that’s just my opinion and others may vary. Mainly I stick to bonanza (over 2 million spins now across all sites) millionaire, DHV and wild flower as they are all very good games and deserve praise.

My questions are thus:

1 - On millionaire Megaways why did you feel the need to ALWAYS (I’ve never seen any different) show the highest %age answer as the correct one when the player decides to collect the no. Of spins they have gambled to or been awarded. Of course anybody who tries to gamble the spins will tell you this is not always the case? This has subsequently been changed on the megapays version so did you recognise the ‘this is what you would have one’ if you’d gone with our highest %age ask the audience or phone a friend lifeline was rather misleading and clearly a fixed answer to show the highest %age was in fact correct??

2 - Sky Vegas Bonanza? It’s been asked many times. Why can you not achieve a scatter symbol on the max Megaways spin but you can on others? We are led to believe that we are all playing the same game but clearly this is a different version/programme than others. Again I’m not saying it’s bent or rigged as from over 1 million spins I’m pretty much bang on RTP. I’m just curious as to why what can happen on some can’t happen on others? Was this not possible on all early releases and subsequently changed but sky got forgotten or just failed to be updated?

3 - When will I ever get a humdinger of a bonus either on lil devil or wild flower??!!!

Thankyou for your time.

 

[Jackstar]

My question is also same as number 2 above

 

[curremon]

Yeah you Need to Give clear answer between versions relax, NYX , quickfire since there IS difference...

 

[mack341]

Why does w.hill's version (and a few others) have an interminable pause for cascade results? And the other day during a feature, on the last spin, the server disconnected, reloading the game just brought me to the normal start screen so never saw the full feature play out. Is there a cut off point, say there had been 3 spins remaining would you also not see them?

 

[kennygamerboy]

The fact btg are making out I am after a get rich quick scheme is just downright insulting. And all the btg shills liking his comment. Your slots are rigged and you obviously would never ever admit this. Evolution are filth and lowest of the low and I’ll stand by that comment till eternity. You can say the slots haven’t been changed till the cows come home I know differently and so do you. I haven’t played your games for about 10 days now and won’t touch them with a barge pole as it’s akin to setting money alight. Get rich quick scheme haha the only ones who are doing them schemes are you and your company and evo people in glass houses and all that. I stated in my OP that I don’t expect to win all the time and that losing is part of gambling, but you’ve come on here making statements I want to get rich quick lol. Only way I’ll keep my wealth is by not lining your corrupt pockets. Peace out

 

[kennygamerboy]

My question is also same as number 2 above

Just so you know if they answer that I’ll run dOwn Oxford street in the nude. They’ve continuously ignored that question and will contiunue to do so. Trust me they don’t answer anything of substance

 

[neon claws]

Peace out

Bye Bye!

 

[aceking123]

It's pretty valid question to be honest, a few players have recalled it, so there is sparks to light the flame.
Common BTG answer that question
You know I don't like your games other than a couple but still play those couple once in a while,but avoiding answers really does speak volumes.

 

[greylady]

In response to the op @kennygamerboy, we have historically answered all reasonable questions. In regards to your post, to use the word rigged is wrong as it denotes dishonest manipulation. Slots are created for the house to win / player to lose, this is an honest fact. Our games are for entertainment and amusement, we're really not providing a get-rich-quick scheme! We provide the RTP clearly for our games and don't give operators the option to change them. The RTP may fluctuate from session to session, but it will be bang on the RTP over the lifetime of a game.

However, having said that, I would recommend if you are significantly behind on a game, it would be wise to stop as it may take a huge bankroll to get you back to an RTP relevent position depending on the volatility of the slot in question.

In terms of how compliance works, @trancemonkey is possibly the most accurate and trusted source of correct information related to how this works regarding testing, etc, as he is not affiliated with us in any way. He is, in fact, a ray of non-bias light in what seems to be a long and murky tunnel for most.

In terms of our sale to Evolution, nothing has changed; we are still releasing games via our partners, namely, SG Digital, Microgaming, and Relax, and no math or RTP has changed as everything is still the same as the day it was launched (in terms of RTP) the only changes we make are for patches to fix bugs/updates for new versions of iOS/Windows, etc.

I'm still here as CEO of BTG for the long term, and happy to discuss/answer any topics/questions. I'm looking forward to revealing what we will be doing with Evolution in the next few years, some great times ahead, and we'll have some wonderful innovations to share with you all in the not-too-distant future!

Cheers!

You mean like when BTG made up some fake screenshots to post them on the forum and enter their own competition? Now that is dishonest manipulation!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

If we could cut the abuse and snide remarks until after he has answered my perfectly polite and insightful question?

I have a couple more after you see!!

 

[snorky510238]

Anyone who says Bonanza hasn’t been changed is simply deluded and unless you’ve played it pretty much every day since release, you’re opinion is invalid.

If you had, then the change would be smacking you head on, it’s that bloody obvious.

My question for @Big Time Gaming is, how is it now possible to get 10 to 15 consecutive dead spins virtually every session, when it was virtually impossible for 4 years, if the game hasn’t been altered?

 

[Reelsoffun]

Anyone who says Bonanza hasn’t been changed is simply deluded and unless you’ve played it pretty much every day since release, you’re opinion is invalid.

If you had, then the change would be smacking you head on, it’s that bloody obvious.

My question for @Big Time Gaming is, how is it now possible to get 10 to 15 consecutive dead spins virtually every session, when it was virtually impossible for 4 years, if the game hasn’t been altered?

Not sure what version you always been playing snorks, but my bonanza has always been able to take £2-£3 (20p stakes) off me without a win since it’s release lol

I did also question you several times how the hell was you getting so many bonuses? as I was getting no where near as many but now the tables seemed to have turned as I’m getting a few more now so maybe I was just in the patch you was before lol sorry but I vote we stay where we are on that front ?

 

[Big Time Gaming]

Ahh I’m glad you are here to answer questions as I have a couple for you. Please let it be known I’m not some bitter player, who’s just run bad for a few thousand spins and comes on here calling you out for adjusting games and reducing rtp, or any of that nonsense.

I actually mainly play ur games only (apart from the most recent which are awful imo) but I appreciate that’s just my opinion and others may vary. Mainly I stick to bonanza (over 2 million spins now across all sites) millionaire, DHV and wild flower as they are all very good games and deserve praise.

My questions are thus:

1 - On millionaire Megaways why did you feel the need to ALWAYS (I’ve never seen any different) show the highest %age answer as the correct one when the player decides to collect the no. Of spins they have gambled to or been awarded. Of course anybody who tries to gamble the spins will tell you this is not always the case? This has subsequently been changed on the megapays version so did you recognise the ‘this is what you would have one’ if you’d gone with our highest %age ask the audience or phone a friend lifeline was rather misleading and clearly a fixed answer to show the highest %age was in fact correct??

The way this particular part of the game works in the original Millionaire game was a product of circumstance rather than how we ideally wanted it to be. I don't think it's fair to say it's misleading, certainly we did not intend to mislead anybody. The best strategy is always to pick the option with the highest odds, so if it happens that some players are more likely to pick the option with the highest odds the next time they play, well that is a good thing. But, we have definitely listened to your feedback!

2 - Sky Vegas Bonanza? It’s been asked many times. Why can you not achieve a scatter symbol on the max Megaways spin but you can on others? We are led to believe that we are all playing the same game but clearly this is a different version/programme than others. Again I’m not saying it’s bent or rigged as from over 1 million spins I’m pretty much bang on RTP. I’m just curious as to why what can happen on some can’t happen on others? Was this not possible on all early releases and subsequently changed but sky got forgotten or just failed to be updated?

"There is only 1 version of Bonanza. Everyone has always been playing the same version and no one has ever been given a different program to others. In Bonanza, you get the Max Megaways about every 500 spins on average. In order to maximize coinciding wins on these spins, they use a reel set without scatters. This has been the case since Day 1 of Bonanza's release and has never changed. We designed the Max Megaways to have the maximum chance of delivering an exciting win sequence. Most slot games, and virtually all ways games, have used multiple reel sets for various reasons for decades now - there is nothing unusual about Bonanza having a few different reel sets. So just to reiterate, Bonanza has never been changed and the Max Megaways reel set in particular has been designed the way it is from the outset. On the 99.8% of spins that are not Max Megaways, we promise there are plenty of Scatters on every reel - yes even the occasional 'D'."

3 - When will I ever get a humdinger of a bonus either on lil devil or wild flower??!!!

Thankyou for your time.

A week on Tuesday... if you're lucky!

 

[Big Time Gaming]

autospins with a turbo function when?

We have no plans to implement any kind of turbo play.

 

[Big Time Gaming]

Yeah you Need to Give clear answer between versions relax, NYX , quickfire since there IS difference...

There's no difference, they all sit on slightly different server technology but the specifications of the games are the same.

 

[curremon]

There's no difference, they all sit on slightly different server technology but the specifications of the games are the same.

.......,.. difference between provider is so clear that you can spot IT in around 100 spins....

 

[neon claws]

.......,.. difference between provider is so clear that you can spot IT in around 100 spins....

Shouldn't take you long to accumulate some convincing evidence then.

 

[curremon]

For example i havent got single feature on that April version of relax with normal G O L and then cascade D . Its allways GO and then LD drop down same time... and only on this version this has Been happening 5months straight

 

[Kroffe]

In Bonanza, you get the Max Megaways about every 500 spins on average. In order to maximize coinciding wins on these spins, they use a reel set without scatters.

 

[Kroffe]

The issue people had was that on some (most) sites, scatters can and do appear during max megaways spins, but on a few sites (sky as example) scatters do not appear during max megaways spins.
So trying to say that scatters are not on the reels during max megaways spins will not really work as an answer here.

Or are you saying the game is broken on all sites that have scatters on the max megaways spins?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yes as Kroffe has stated I’m quite amazed at your response to my max Megaways question. I presume you have played bonanza right?!!!!

It would probably take me a few hrs to run bonanza on say hills, ladbrokes or coral and I myself could produce a screen shot of a scatter within the max Megaways!! To say they don’t exist is just baffling to me. With all due respect that is a false statement. However in 4 yrs on the sky Vegas version I’ve never seen one and neither has anybody else.

Now on millionaire for example I can’t ever recall a scatter during max Megaways across all sites. Can anybody else? Therefore I think it’s fair to say they don’t exist on the millionaire Megaways. I can’t comment on the megapays version as I don’t play it!

While we are here I’ll ask another one. I remember you stating that max Megaways IS possible on the original bonanza during the bonus. Now of course we know it’s possible on millionaire and the new megapays bonanza, because guess what?? Within hours of those games being released we’ve seen it!! Multiple times.

But as far as I’m aware nobody, certainly not myself or a few of the other regular players from here have ever seen it. Do you stand by your comment that max Megaways during the bonus on the original bonanza is possible or are you now willing to retract that statement?

Again thank you for your time.

 

[snorky510238]

"There is only 1 version of Bonanza. Everyone has always been playing the same version and no one has ever been given a different program to others. In Bonanza, you get the Max Megaways about every 500 spins on average. In order to maximize coinciding wins on these spins, they use a reel set without scatters. This has been the case since Day 1 of Bonanza's release and has never changed. We designed the Max Megaways to have the maximum chance of delivering an exciting win sequence. Most slot games, and virtually all ways games, have used multiple reel sets for various reasons for decades now - there is nothing unusual about Bonanza having a few different reel sets. So just to reiterate, Bonanza has never been changed and the Max Megaways reel set in particular has been designed the way it is from the outset. On the 99.8% of spins that are not Max Megaways, we promise there are plenty of Scatters on every reel - yes even the occasional 'D'."

Ugh, ugh.

 

[orion]

Just so you know if they answer that I’ll run dOwn Oxford street in the nude. They’ve continuously ignored that question and will contiunue to do so. Trust me they don’t answer anything of substance

phew ! we are safe now.

 

[snorky510238]

Not sure what version you always been playing snorks, but my bonanza has always been able to take £2-£3 (20p stakes) off me without a win since it’s release lol

I did also question you several times how the hell was you getting so many bonuses? as I was getting no where near as many but now the tables seemed to have turned as I’m getting a few more now so maybe I was just in the patch you was before lol sorry but I vote we stay where we are on that front ?

I can still hit the bonus (no where near as regular though) but what is so noticeable is that anything above x250 is virtually unattainable. I used to hit at least one a week without fail. Now not 1 in 6 months so yes, I will never be convinced that it hasn’t been totally gimped.