Brexit - whats the difference.....

[goatwack]

Sunak hasn't ruled out further tax hikes, in a desperate attempt to plug the dual Covid/ Brexit fallout. Looking at it from the outside, it appears to be a case of the Tories not caring about neither, and looking to wrangle whatever benefits they can for themselves, less a Brexit for 'everyone', as it were.

Just reminds me of any business price gouging a sought-after item, then 'decreasing' its price down the line and proclaiming "Look at that saving! 25% off!"

Council Tax seems to also be due for an imminent hike, so coupled with the Governments shifting blame on businesses for their supply woes (Liz Truss), over-Furloughing the country by at least a Quarter, and generations to come set to toil in this bunch of berks' cack-handed leadership, it looks like the Brexit/ GE/ Pandemic problems have merged into one big blur, with the only beneficiaries set to be this bunch of Tories and their "slap me in the shower with your towel Timothy' Eton chums ?

 

[Daavid63]

Oh dear, le Froggies throwing the toys out the pram because their fishing fleet only received a few licenses to fish in British waters. French did not keep proper fishing logs.

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[goatwack]

I think Macron's still miffed at having being sacré bleu-d out of the AUKUS deal

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Oh dear, le Froggies throwing the toys out the pram because their fishing fleet only received a few licenses to fish in British waters. French did not keep proper fishing logs.

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[ChopleyIOM]

Sunak hasn't ruled out further tax hikes, in a desperate attempt to plug the dual Covid/ Brexit fallout. Looking at it from the outside, it appears to be a case of the Tories not caring about neither, and looking to wrangle whatever benefits they can for themselves, less a Brexit for 'everyone', as it were.

Just reminds me of any business price gouging a sought-after item, then 'decreasing' its price down the line and proclaiming "Look at that saving! 25% off!"

Council Tax seems to also be due for an imminent hike, so coupled with the Governments shifting blame on businesses for their supply woes (Liz Truss), over-Furloughing the country by at least a Quarter, and generations to come set to toil in this bunch of berks' cack-handed leadership, it looks like the Brexit/ GE/ Pandemic problems have merged into one big blur, with the only beneficiaries set to be this bunch of Tories and their "slap me in the shower with your towel Timothy' Eton chums ?

I don't disagree with anything you've said there goatwack, but none of it can come as a surprise, surely? This is what the Tories do. Always.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Just thought I'd lob a bit of French in there to show some solidarity with the French fishermen who are being dicked around by truculent Brits not upholding their end of a deal they signed less than a year ago

Vive la France!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This is a really good deconstruction of something I've mentioned in a couple of my previous posts, namely how what was derided as Project Fear has come true, so Johnson and his cabal of charlatans need some way to deal with it.

(Think back to some of the Remain side predictions back in 2016, those tiresome experts that Gove told us we were all so bored of, of supply chain disruptions, of labour shortages, of food rotting in fields, of shortages on supermarket shelves, of new swathes of red tape and businesses going bust because they couldn't deal with the EU any longer - we all remember what that was called don't we - Project Fear.)

So Johnson and his ilk have a problem, they can't call it Project Fear any more because it came true, but they don't want to look like a bunch of lying incompetent arseholes - (I appreciate this is a big ask) - so they need a new way to deal with it, so they have now pivoted to saying, 'Ahhhh no we knew this was going to happen all along, it was part of the plan, and if business isn't ready for all the things we promised them wasn't going to happen, it's their own stupid fault'.

It's breathtakingly, jaw-droppingly dishonest and an absolute insult to the intelligence of every single person in the land.

Worth three minutes of your time:

 

[goatwack]

I've been piqued by O'Brien's rather, erm, 'intractable' way of debating, but he's rather on- point here. That's not to say Remainers were ever shouted down for raising concerns, or that Leavers had full confidence in the Government's workings

But alas, the chickens are coming home to roost, and not those plump, happy-go-lucky ones that get their own little yard to have bug banquets, but rather, those scrawny bedraggled ones with wonky beaks and lay those miserly little eggs that no one cares for ?

Seems we're stuck with this incompetent shower, and not content with his cancer- dismissing economic predictions just the other day, now Boris is absolving himself of his supply- chain botch-job, claiming there is no crisis and that we're actually the fastest- growing economy in the G7!

 

[Daavid63]

I don't disagree with anything you've said there goatwack, but none of it can come as a surprise, surely? This is what the Tories do. Always.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Just thought I'd lob a bit of French in there to show some solidarity with the French fishermen who are being dicked around by truculent Brits not upholding their end of a deal they signed less than a year ago

Vive la France!

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Putain, cas pas ma coullie mec...

The reason the French only have a small percentage of licenses granted is they have cooked the fishing quota books for the last 20yrs. When asked to produce legitimate books on quotas caught they cant.
Cest vrai , et cest la vie mon petiet chou.

 

[goatwack]

Anyone else seen Boris memeing himself, whereby he's filmed tucking into fish 'n' chips and proudly exclaiming "Build back batter!"?

Business leaders aren't too chuffed it must be said!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Anyone else seen Boris memeing himself, whereby he's filmed tucking into fish 'n' chips and proudly exclaiming "Build back batter!"?

Business leaders aren't too chuffed it must be said!

I'm not sure which is worse, the one of him drinking a pint, eating fish and chips, or buttering a piece of toast - all of which he'd clearly never done before in his life until the camera was pointing at him.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I've been piqued by O'Brien's rather, erm, 'intractable' way of debating, but he's rather on- point here. That's not to say Remainers were ever shouted down for raising concerns, or that Leavers had full confidence in the Government's workings

But alas, the chickens are coming home to roost, and not those plump, happy-go-lucky ones that get their own little yard to have bug banquets, but rather, those scrawny bedraggled ones with wonky beaks and lay those miserly little eggs that no one cares for ?

Seems we're stuck with this incompetent shower, and not content with his cancer- dismissing economic predictions just the other day, now Boris is absolving himself of his supply- chain botch-job, claiming there is no crisis and that we're actually the fastest- growing economy in the G7!

Yes there were certainly mistakes on both side goatwack, the Remain campaign didn't exactly play a blinder in many regards, as I acknowledged in this post a few pages back - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-177#post-1216759

It's all water under the bridge now, and alas it is too late, but I'm sure a more sensible Brexit could have been found with a bit more conciliation from both sides. That said, the fact remains that Theresa May triggered Article 16 without the merest hint of an actual plan, and once the decision was made that the UK would be leaving the Single Market and Customs Union, the path to a hard Brexit was kind of locked in, the likes of which even Nigel Farage hadn't been coming close to talking about in years previous.

The thing that rattles my cage about it more than anything else is the eye-watering hypocrisy and outright lies that the likes of Johnson are now spouting on a daily basis, anything and everything except accepting any responsibility for what it is they've done.

Even the biggest whoppers of all, like the border in the Irish Sea, which he literally signed on the dotted line for, and then Frost stands up in front of the Tory conference and says it's the EU's fault for being a bunch of meanies.

Staggering.

 

[geordiecolin]

Belgium short of 5 thousand drivers.Poland are short of 120,000 drivers? Germany 40,000 drivers,France 40,000. What happened to the 10's of thousands of drivers who left the UK days after the UK left the EU? Was it down to the EU Grinch?
Australia is crippled by a driver crisis. America are struggling too.
But the EU loving BBC keep insisting that it is a Brexit issue. The BBC seem to think it has nothing to do with the covid self isolation rules,strikes at the DVLA,Pay and conditions,IR32 tax changes. And nothing to do with an aging driver workforce. Even panic buying fueled by the media.

What is the betting that soon the EU will be offering UK big incentives to go work over there

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Belgium short of 5 thousand drivers.Poland are short of 120,000 drivers? Germany 40,000 drivers,France 40,000. What happened to the 10's of thousands of drivers who left the UK days after the UK left the EU? Was it down to the EU Grinch?
Australia is crippled by a driver crisis. America are struggling too.
But the EU loving BBC keep insisting that it is a Brexit issue. The BBC seem to think it has nothing to do with the covid self isolation rules,strikes at the DVLA,Pay and conditions,IR32 tax changes. And nothing to do with an aging driver workforce. Even panic buying fueled by the media.

What is the betting that soon the EU will be offering UK big incentives to go work over there

Crikey geordie we've done this in the last week I'm sure.

Yes, there is a driver shortage right across the EU. However, the EU is essentially a single employment bloc so drivers within the EU can move freely around the EU without restrictions. This is what makes it such a ballache for them to come to the UK now, once you get past all the new Brexit red tape and bureaucracy, along with Customs checks, they also have the issue that they are often returning empty due to the imbalance between UK<>EU trade and the new restrictions on loading up with stuff that's destined for all over the EU. This is what now makes the UK uniquely unattractive in all of Europe for EU LGV drivers to work here.

So yes, Poland has massive LGV driver shortages as a country in its own right, but unlike the UK, it didn't choose to isolate itself from the rest of Europe so it doesn't feel those effects like the UK is doing, there are no petrol shortages or empty supermarket shelves in Poland.

All of the factors you cite are valid contributory factors, but the one unique thing that the UK did to itself is Brexit, and the UK is unique in suffering multiple supply chain shortages, all the way down to fuel shortages and fistfights over petrol. (And I even covered the 'panic buying' issue in this post - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-181#post-1218140 )

And earlier reading as well -

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-184#post-1218764

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-167#post-1212971

 

[geordiecolin]

Crikey geordie we've done this in the last week I'm sure.

Yes, there is a driver shortage right across the EU. However, the EU is essentially a single employment bloc so drivers within the EU can move freely around the EU without restrictions. This is what makes it such a ballache for them to come to the UK now, once you get past all the new Brexit red tape and bureaucracy, along with Customs checks, they also have the issue that they are often returning empty due to the imbalance between UK<>EU trade and the new restrictions on loading up with stuff that's destined for all over the EU. This is what now makes the UK uniquely unattractive in all of Europe for EU LGV drivers to work here.

So yes, Poland has massive LGV driver shortages as a country in its own right, but unlike the UK, it didn't choose to isolate itself from the rest of Europe so it doesn't feel those effects like the UK is doing, there are no petrol shortages or empty supermarket shelves in Poland.

All of the factors you cite are valid contributory factors, but the one unique thing that the UK did to itself is Brexit, and the UK is unique in suffering multiple supply chain shortages, all the way down to fuel shortages and fistfights over petrol. (And I even covered the 'panic buying' issue in this post - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-181#post-1218140 )

And earlier reading as well -

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-184#post-1218764

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-167#post-1212971

Forgive me Chops but I can be guilty of skipping stuff from time to time. Bit like EU countries do when it comes to accurate quota management or indeed showing their balanced books year upon year

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The cull of healthy pigs on UK farms begins, as many as 120,000 face being culled in the weeks to come.

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He said that a combination of post-Brexit immigration rules and an exodus of foreign workers amid constantly shifting pandemic restrictions on travel had left the industry at crisis point.

The NPA urged retailers not to turn to cheaper pork from European Union suppliers to stave off a shortage on the shelves.

 

[mack341]

I'm feeling a Graham Taylor reaction coming on ('do I not like that')

European Parliament overwhelmingly votes to send MEPs to joint UK-EU parliamentary assembly

It will oversee and scrutinise UK-EU trade relations, and has the power to make formal recommendations to the UK government and European Commission.

Depending on the composition of the UK delegation, it is likely to contain staunch Brexiteers, as well as passionate European federalists from the continent.

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What's the odds it will also contain many pro EU MPs...

 

[Webzcas]

This is a really good deconstruction of something I've mentioned in a couple of my previous posts, namely how what was derided as Project Fear has come true, so Johnson and his cabal of charlatans need some way to deal with it.

(Think back to some of the Remain side predictions back in 2016, those tiresome experts that Gove told us we were all so bored of, of supply chain disruptions, of labour shortages, of food rotting in fields, of shortages on supermarket shelves, of new swathes of red tape and businesses going bust because they couldn't deal with the EU any longer - we all remember what that was called don't we - Project Fear.)

So Johnson and his ilk have a problem, they can't call it Project Fear any more because it came true, but they don't want to look like a bunch of lying incompetent arseholes - (I appreciate this is a big ask) - so they need a new way to deal with it, so they have now pivoted to saying, 'Ahhhh no we knew this was going to happen all along, it was part of the plan, and if business isn't ready for all the things we promised them wasn't going to happen, it's their own stupid fault'.

It's breathtakingly, jaw-droppingly dishonest and an absolute insult to the intelligence of every single person in the land.

Worth three minutes of your time:

Using James O'Brien in an attempt to strengthen your argument is akin to labelling someone Hitler. Has the same effect, you in doing so, lose your argument by default.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Using James O'Brien in an attempt to strengthen your argument is akin to labelling someone Hitler. Has the same effect, you in doing so, lose your argument by default.

I'm trying to get my head around the utter failure of logic in your post Webzcas, but like a slot that just refuses to spin a round, I get a 'server error' every time I try.

Congratulations on presenting some decent evidence for the correctness of Godwin's Law though

I appreciate you're trying a slightly novel twist on it by accusing me of playing the Hitler card because I featured James O'Brien, as if there is any kind of equivalence whatsoever between them, and I also note that you completely fail to address any of the substantive points raised in the previous posts and go straight to ZOMG HITLER - which I'll admit, is a pretty ballsy move.

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asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a

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In less mathematical terms, the longer the discussion, the more likely a Nazi comparison becomes, and with long enough discussions, it is a certainty.

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Still, since we're here, in the red corner James O'Brien, and in the Nazi Genocide Corner, Adolf Hitler.

James Edward O'Brien (born 13 January 1972) is a British radio presenter, podcaster, author, and former tabloid journalist and television presenter. Since 2004 he has been a presenter for talk station

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[ChopleyIOM]

I'm feeling a Graham Taylor reaction coming on ('do I not like that')

European Parliament overwhelmingly votes to send MEPs to joint UK-EU parliamentary assembly

It will oversee and scrutinise UK-EU trade relations, and has the power to make formal recommendations to the UK government and European Commission.

Depending on the composition of the UK delegation, it is likely to contain staunch Brexiteers, as well as passionate European federalists from the continent.

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What's the odds it will also contain many pro EU MPs...

That certainly is a terrifying prospect mack, once those meddling pro EU MEPs get in on the act who knows what horrors might await us?

I forsee supply chain chaos, empty supermarket shelves, petrol stations running dry and fistfights on the forecourts, a doubling of refugees trying to cross the channel, a massive flight of UK capital to the EU, British businesses going bust on an unprecedented scale, Customs will become a nightmare for both goods and people, and we might even fall well behind in our Covid vaccination programme compared to other European countries.

Oh wait, hang on, the UK government has managed that all by itself.

Seriously mack, what do you envisage they might actually make worse?

Or is it the principle of the thing? Like back in the first few pages of this thread when folks were saying it was all about sovereignty and getting rid of those pesky EU laws that had been foisted on us, and when I asked people to name a single specific one that they objected to, no one could?

 

[mack341]

James o'brien...3 secs of that clip was enough! Lbc used to be a decent listen years ago, now you couldn't pay me to tune in.

 

[mack341]

That certainly is a terrifying prospect mack, once those meddling pro EU MEPs get in on the act who knows what horrors might await us?

I forsee supply chain chaos, empty supermarket shelves, petrol stations running dry and fistfights on the forecourts, a doubling of refugees trying to cross the channel, a massive flight of UK capital to the EU, British businesses going bust on an unprecedented scale, Customs will become a nightmare for both goods and people, and we might even fall well behind in our Covid vaccination programme compared to other European countries.

Oh wait, hang on, the UK government has managed that all by itself.

Seriously mack, what do you envisage they might actually make worse?

Or is it the principle of the thing? Like back in the first few pages of this thread when folks were saying it was all about sovereignty and getting rid of those pesky EU laws that had been foisted on us, and when I asked people to name a single specific one that they objected to, no one could?

Well I can't see it as something that is going to help the uk prosper outside of the EU, the treaty said 'may' create this assembly, when clearly it was a done deal. Hopefully it sticks to helping trade rather than affecting uk governance.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I can't see it as something that is going to help the uk prosper outside of the EU, the treaty said 'may' create this assembly, when clearly it was a done deal. Hopefully it sticks to helping trade rather than affecting uk governance.

OK I've found the piece you're quoting (it'd be handy if you put links in your posts ) and I honestly can't see what the issue is, or indeed, who else you'd expect the EU to send to this assembly.

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It's a joint parliamentary assembly, and MEPs sit in the EU's parliament - (remember, that place where we used to have MEPs as well, and got to have a say in the EU's rules) - so of course they're going to send MEPs to it.

The UK has agreed to the creation of this assembly and we both get to send 35 people to it, 35 from the UK side and 35 from the EU side - the UK is still negotiating with the EU as to when and where it will meet.

At least the EU are sending democratically elected MEPs to the assembly, given the Tories' form they'll probably send Frost (an unelected bureaucrat) and a load of their mates from the business world who will be there purely to see how much cash they can squeeze out of the UK taxpayer with their dodgy deals. (See also, Covid.)

 

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I forsee supply chain chaos, empty supermarket shelves, petrol stations running dry and fistfights on the forecourts, a doubling of refugees trying to cross the channel, a massive flight of UK capital to the EU, British businesses going bust on an unprecedented scale, Customs will become a nightmare for both goods and people, and we might even fall well behind in our Covid vaccination programme compared to other European countries.

Supply chain chaos worldwide due to a shortage of containers (where we work are still waiting for containers to arrive, feck all to do with Brexit):

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Managed to get petrol a couple of days ago without queuing.

Only fist fights I recently seen was down the local when two drunks had it out with eachother

British businesses went bust before Brexit. Retail sector:

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No empty supermarket shelves where I live. Well not anymore because the Covid panic buying long stopped.

 

[goatwack]

It's true that the high street was already toiling long before Brexit or Covid, most consumers had long abandoned bricks & mortar in favour of online.

As for supply lines problems, reasons are multi- factored as we know, but Brexit has certainly played some part in terms of bureaucratic hindrances.

Never mind just from a HGV driver- employment point of view, but any EU National in the UK post-31st June this year.

I'd also imagine the fuel shortages weren't spread evenly across the land, some places were swimming in it whilst others were devoid of it for days on end, eg SE London. I suspect this may be because of the selfish chav contingent believing the petrol stations are there just for them, it's not an uncommon sight around these 'ere parts.

 

[dunover]

It's true that the high street was already toiling long before Brexit or Covid, most consumers had long abandoned bricks & mortar in favour of online.

As for supply lines problems, reasons are multi- factored as we know, but Brexit has certainly played some part in terms of bureaucratic hindrances.

Never mind just from a HGV driver- employment point of view, but any EU National in the UK post-31st June this year.

I'd also imagine the fuel shortages weren't spread evenly across the land, some places were swimming in it whilst others were devoid of it for days on end, eg SE London. I suspect this may be because of the selfish chav contingent believing the petrol stations are there just for them, it's not an uncommon sight around these 'ere parts.

I often wonder where these news stories come from. Not seen any significant petrol queues (although one local garage did run out one night while awaiting a late delivery) , no empty shelves or shortages and local food&coffee outlets seem fully staffed. I think the percentage of chavs in your locale is more relevant.

 

[geordiecolin]

We have been warned that the powers that be want us to reduce our meat consumption by up to 90% for quite some time now and there is a worldwide move to push us to it. It is not simply a UK/EU issue.

 

[bamberfishcake]

So from glancing over the last few pages, am I right in thinking gammon for Xmas dinner?

 

[goatwack]

- Schwabi

 

[paul7388]

So from glancing over the last few pages, am I right in thinking gammon for Xmas dinner?

No as that comes from a pig.

Supposedly all pigs will be culled and no more bacon gammon or pork sausages.

Would say just be Veg. But no doubt the EU will ban us from Brussels sprouts as well because of Brexit.

And supposedly doesn't matter as by christmas all shops will have no food at all and be no petrol to drive for messages anyway.

 

[geordiecolin]

So from glancing over the last few pages, am I right in thinking gammon for Xmas dinner?

It is probably a good idea to find out if your local pig farmer sells direct to the local community because some very good deals could be done

 

[geordiecolin]

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- Schwabi

He wants to play Santa Klaus this year it seems

 

[dunover]

So from glancing over the last few pages, am I right in thinking gammon for Xmas dinner?

Or beef. Or chicken. Or turkey twizzlers as apparently they won't be affected. Or lamb. I am waiting for these mythical shortages to appear locally, still haven't, just been up Morrissons and not a single sodding car in the open fuel station either.

I am going to mash up a great lump of quorn, bleach it a bit, add some chicken flavouring and mould it to look like a turkey crown.

 

[goatwack]

Hope everyone's up-to-date on the latest buzzwords doing the rounds, in this case 'levelling up'. Is everyone feeling levelled-up today?

In the big cack-blur that is Brexit/ Corona and whatever else, Doofy has told the nation that there will be no more drift and dither about the 2016 Referendum, a clamping down on immigration so a to drive wages up, and a bit of a Winter of discontent a-comin', as further tax rises are sure to follow.

This is to save the NHS, which the nation was told to save, and thought were saving, but has apparently not really been saved and taken a 'meteoric' hit. The same NHS we subsidize to save us and wasn't granted to the populace by Tinkerbell, incidentally.

Also some ramblings in that wobble-headed way of his about knowing this was always going to happen, and planned for, you sillies

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[mack341]

What gets me is the seeming lack of concern, they're having a right old knees up, I can only assume boris's motley crew believe everything will be cushty or they're personally so well insulated who cares.

 

[geordiecolin]

What gets me is the seeming lack of concern, they're having a right old knees up, I can only assume boris's motley crew believe everything will be cushty or they're personally so well insulated who cares.

 

[Webzcas]

I'm trying to get my head around the utter failure of logic in your post Webzcas, but like a slot that just refuses to spin a round, I get a 'server error' every time I try.

It is quite simple, James O'Brien is an agenda driven individual who as soon as I see or hear him, I automatically switch off. QED

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It is quite simple, James O'Brien is an agenda driven individual who as soon as I see or hear him, I automatically switch off. QED

'Opinionated radio presenter is agenda driven' shocker. Nice to verify the Hitler stuff was a load of nonsense at least. You just don't like the guy.

Also, it's possible to not like someone or their agenda, and for them to still be right.

I'm curious if you'd actually take issue with any of the substance of what's said in that clip. (If you really don't want to watch it, then it's summarised in my post.)

 

[goatwack]

This is why I like to tune in to Farage, weeknights at 7 on GB News. It's straight down the line, informative, and without a hint of personal espousal*

 

[mack341]

Poland's top court rules against primacy of EU law -msn/DW

"The attempt by the European Court of Justice to involve itself with Polish legal mechanisms violates ... the rules that give priority to the constitution and rules that respect sovereignty amid the process of European integration," the ruling said.

A ruling by the ECJ in March said that the EU can force member states to disregard certain provisions in national law, including constitutional law.

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Unelected EU busy bodies try to tell national elected politicians how to govern, part: lost count

 

[goatwack]

So we're headed for a Pexit?

 

[dunover]

So we're headed for a Pexit?

Polexit
Brexit
Gerexit
Frexit
Belexit
Holexit
Spexit
Porexit
Luxexit
Hungexit
Swexit
Denexit
Czechit
Slovexit
Romexit
Slovaxit
Eirexit
Finexit
Itexit
Bulgexit
Cyprexit
Crexit
Estexit
Maltexit
Lithexit
Grexit

Mmmmm... none fall of the tongue easily aside from Greece (possibly) and France (not on your nellie).

 

[geordiecolin]

This is why I like to tune in to Farage, weeknights at 7 on GB News. It's straight down the line, informative, and without a hint of personal espousal*

Is that a strait up plug?

 

[geordiecolin]

Or beef. Or chicken. Or turkey twizzlers as apparently they won't be affected. Or lamb. I am waiting for these mythical shortages to appear locally, still haven't, just been up Morrissons and not a single sodding car in the open fuel station either.

I am going to mash up a great lump of quorn, bleach it a bit, add some chicken flavouring and mould it to look like a turkey crown.

Mate you are missing what is developing worldwide with the vast reduction in meat farming.

 

[goatwack]

Further affirmation of a Polexit likelihood. EU's delving into individual states' sovereignty is one biscuit taken too many, and almost amazing that a country dare preserve its own constitution, tsk

One can almost hear the wailing of ministers into their chouquettes

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[Daavid63]

EU finally coming to its senses. How the hell can sausages made in the UK not be sold to NI which is part of the UK.
As its from the Guardian it must be true??

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[geordiecolin]

Polexit
Brexit
Gerexit
Frexit
Belexit
Holexit
Spexit
Porexit
Luxexit
Hungexit
Swexit
Denexit
Czechit
Slovexit
Romexit
Slovaxit
Eirexit
Finexit
Itexit
Bulgexit
Cyprexit
Crexit
Estexit
Maltexit
Lithexit
Grexit

Mmmmm... none fall of the tongue easily aside from Greece (possibly) and France (not on your nellie).

If Myanmar where European would it be Myexit?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

2016: Brexit will improve your lives
2018: Project fear
2021: The following food shortages are actually good

Some impressive mental gymnastics from GB News which is now telling us that the shortages that Brexit would definitely not lead to, and definitely isn't responsible for, are actually a good thing anyway.

 

[mack341]

If only the brexiteers had known about last year's covid lockdown and the dvla backlog 5 years ago, then I'm sure their predictions would've been more accurate.

I don't even remember project fear listing shortage of hgv drivers; business became dependent on cheap (don't like that word but that's how they would've seen it) labour, some didn't address the problem of when it would be cut off. But if the dvla had processed the 56,000 hgv applications/tests, it's likely that issue would be far less.

Remainers are in effect arguing for an unlimited supply line of lower cost foreign labour, when you boil it down that's what membership meant, most people realised it was causing knock on problems, public services being stretched and pay suppressed being two.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If only the brexiteers had known about last year's covid lockdown and the dvla backlog 5 years ago, then I'm sure their predictions would've been more accurate.

I don't even remember project fear listing shortage of hgv drivers; business became dependent on cheap (don't like that word but that's how they would've seen it) labour, some didn't address the problem of when it would be cut off. But if the dvla had processed the 56,000 hgv applications/tests, it's likely that issue would be far less.

Remainers are in effect arguing for an unlimited supply line of lower cost foreign labour, when you boil it down that's what membership meant, most people realised it was causing knock on problems, public services being stretched and pay suppressed being two.

Not really, there's nothing stopping any national government putting whatever employment and wage laws into effect they want, in or out of the EU. Zero hours contracts and a minimum wage that is far too low, for example, have a lot to answer for. (I'd like to see the former outlawed and the latter be a lot higher.)

Also, there's not a great deal of evidence to back up the pay suppression argument, it definitely did happen to a limited degree in certain sectors, but the overall impact was a lot less than many people imagine. I'll see if I can find the studies/research into it, I was reading over some of it a few weeks ago.

Project Fear (now rebranded as Project Reality) cited labour shortages in many areas as a near certain consequence of a hard Brexit, and that's exactly what's happened.

 

[mack341]

Not really, there's nothing stopping any national government putting whatever employment and wage laws into effect they want, in or out of the EU. Zero hours contracts and a minimum wage that is far too low, for example, have a lot to answer for. (I'd like to see the former outlawed and the latter be a lot higher.)

Also, there's not a great deal of evidence to back up the pay suppression argument, it definitely did happen to a limited degree in certain sectors, but the overall impact was a lot less than many people imagine. I'll see if I can find the studies/research into it, I was reading over some of it a few weeks ago.

Project Fear (now rebranded as Project Reality) cited labour shortages in many areas as a near certain consequence of a hard Brexit, and that's exactly what's happened.

It has quite an impact on people when there are 500 applying for a job instead of say 50, most people in europe seem to be able to speak good english, that's not the same for italian or dutch, french etc...that played a part in the inbalance, before 2005 you had a bit of labour movement which was sustainable but after it skyrocketed.

The EU members have recently cited similar concerns in deciding not to allow the balkan countries/states to join, without the uk as the main country of attraction they'd be having to cope with millions more workers seeking work in theirs, causing pressures.

Don't forget the increasing demand on housing, education, health services, policing, social security etc...

I agree the min wage should be more realistic to living costs, but it can't keep up with housing costs in the SE, and some foreign workers were happy to room share and send as much saved money home. They were being exploited in a way, with poor housing conditions, criminal rings, gangmasters and all sorts, people trafficking for pimps etc...

Edit: Agree re zero hr contracts, I have a distinct feeling they came in during labour's tenure.