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That is an interesting juxtaposition to hold alongside strongly supporting the EU, where laws are being made centrally by unelected bureaucrats, even a choice of president isn't given to the people.
I believe the issue the uk govt face is having internal trade between the UK and NI attract tariffs, which is obviously madness, so they want to make sure that cannot happen. That's my understanding, but I could be wrong, hopefully all will be revealed tomorrow.
With respect mack there's a big difference between the history of Ireland (and the UK's terrible behaviour there) and the history of the UK as a member of the EU, at no point were we 'invaded' by the EU and subject to many of the atrocities that were seen in Ireland.
(And indeed, the EU project was in many ways borne out of the horrors of the history of war in Europe, and to avoid ever repeating those horrors. You can argue that it's gone too far in terms of political integration and 'Brussels Overreach', but honestly mack, you can't in good faith seek to find an equivalence between the EU project and the history of Ireland and the UK's role there.)
As for the current UK/NI situation mack, this is literally what Johnson 'negotiated', promoted, fought an election on, claimed a great victory, and now wants to renege on.
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Even if they gambled on a free trade deal being agreed by now, they lost that gamble.
But if he didn't sign it, we'd have been left in the same quandary as we were, with the opposition acting in such a way that parliament was paralysed.You know i aint reading that pdf. (my attention span wont allow me to)
If he had no intention to honor the deal, he probably shouldnt have signed it in the first place.
I dont think breaking international law to bypass it is the best solution.
Even Pikachu gets it, and english is not his first language.
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So he was forced to sign the deal to get out of the club?But if he didn't sign it, we'd have been left in the same quandary as we were, with the opposition acting in such a way that parliament was paralysed.
Can you not see, anyone who was not pro Brexit was deliberately trying to bring the whole thing down. Ally that to the stance of the EU and we have been backed completely into a corner. It has essentially been ''remain in the 'club' or else''
Can you also see that this side of the EU is not very pretty at all. You can certainly see the aspiration to become an empire by hook or by crook. Fair play if you want to be part of that, but vast swathes of the UK want no part in it.
Of course they knew. That's pretty much a given.So he was forced to sign the deal to get out of the club?
But now he realized the deal he signed didnt really let him out of the club as much as he would have liked.
Seems to me he never had any intention whatsoever to honor the deal.
No way they didnt know about the things brought up now back then.
Possibly the reason for that is the EU haven't been 'negotiating in good faith', which is part of the WA. Does 'we won't discuss a free trade deal, until you first agree for us to continue to have unfettered access to your fish' ring any bells?
Of course they knew. That's pretty much a given.
What I'm saying is that they literally had no choice at the time...politically we were in a quandary here. Parliament was useless because nothing could pass. Whilst we were in this position, other areas of governance were being neglected by default. Boris didn't have the numbers to push anything through. Therefore he needed a big majority. He got it...but he wouldn't have done unless the deal was signed. His whole campaign was based on 'get Brexit done'.
The people then voted him in to get Brexit done- but he could only do this with his majority in parliament.
At the time it was a catch 22 so it really was the only way to get any progress at all.