Brexit - whats the difference.....

[Matti]

Ok mate.
Just as people don’t agree with your views as the NK thread proves doesn’t make your opinion right or wrong.

also calling names you won’t be addressed for as many of us are, I didn’t call you anything...
But guess it’s ok if you sit on a particular side of the fence.

and if you took literally ‘sink them’ by me as murdering innocent people your trolling level needs a lot of work.
Best regards

You tried to make a sarcastic joke about people in distress. It didn't really fly well.........

 

[Playford7]

You tried to make a sarcastic joke about people in distress. It didn't really fly well.........

I wasn’t expecting joke of the year at the fringe festival pal. Simmer down

 

[vorcirion]

Ok mate.
Just as people don’t agree with your views as the NK thread proves doesn’t make your opinion right or wrong.

also calling names you won’t be addressed for as many of us are, I didn’t call you anything...
But guess it’s ok if you sit on a particular side of the fence.

and if you took literally ‘sink them’ by me as murdering innocent people your trolling level needs a lot of work.
Best regards

You've made your views very clear many many times. So yes I took "sink them" literally since that's the kind of thing I expect from you. I don't think you meant it as a joke...it's pretty hard to see what's the funny part in that. But maybe Dunover could explain since he seemed to understand it.

 

[datch]

It really is a shame for Casinomeister and damaging his reputation

 

[Playford7]

It really is a shame for Casinomeister and damaging his reputation

Bearing in mind you and your ilk contribute zero to the forum, whether it be mm, run a comp or even discuss slots I find it highly laughable your trying to get me banned here... it’s pretty sad you only contribute when it’s politically motivated.

should you have a issue with me by all means use the report option, you must know it well.

best regards
Ben

 

[Playford7]

You've made your views very clear many many times. So yes I took "sink them" literally since that's the kind of thing I expect from you. I don't think you meant it as a joke...it's pretty hard to see what's the funny part in that. But maybe Dunover could explain since he seemed to understand it.

If you have a issue with me or daz then by all means take it up with the boss or a mod.
I’ve been well in line of late so best of luck with your current agenda.
maybe try to be more active, run a comp, take part or actually discuss casinos and slots.
Much love
Ben

 

[datch]

Bearing in mind you and your ilk contribute zero to the forum, whether it be mm, run a comp or even discuss slots I find it highly laughable your trying to get me banned here... it’s pretty sad you only contribute when it’s politically motivated.

should you have a issue with me by all means use the report option, you must know it well.

best regards
Ben

I couldn't care less about what you think about me. At least I don't do trollish racist comments and remarks all the time. It's disgusting.
You're damaging this forum and yes, it would be better if you stayed away from here.

 

[Playford7]

I couldn't care less about what you think about me. At least I don't do trollish racist comments and remarks all the time. It's disgusting.
You're damaging this forum and yes, it would be better if you stayed away from here.

Ok use the report button.
Sorry if your all upset, maybe try being more active and getting to know people before you start falsely labelling, I’m only a PM away.
Stay safe
Ben

 

[Matti]

I wasn’t expecting joke of the year at the fringe festival pal. Simmer down

Simmer down...

Nothing gets me wired up anymore. If you don't believe me ask my wife.

P.S.
I went to english courses in the 80's. Had to google translate "Simmer down".

 

[Playford7]

Simmer down...

Nothing gets me wired up anymore. If you don't believe me ask my wife.

P.S.
I went to english courses in the 80's. Had to google translate "Simmer down".

Education is the key to success.
And I’ve no problems with you, no hard feelings and wish you and yours all the best.
Ben

 

[datch]

Ok use the report button.
Sorry if your all upset, maybe try being more active and getting to know people before you start falsely labelling, I’m only a PM away.
Stay safe
Ben

I read a lot here and my impressions are like described above. You were not banned a few times without reasons. I can only repeat: Your views are disgusting and often racist and you are actively damaging the reputation of Casinomeister. I can clearly see why people seem to report you on a regular basis.
No I am not interested in PMing.

 

[Kroffe]

Fasten your seatbelts!

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[Playford7]

I read a lot here and my impressions are like described above. You were not banned a few times without reasons. I can only repeat: Your views are disgusting and often racist and you are actively damaging the reputation of Casinomeister. I can clearly see why people seem to report you on a regular basis.
No I am not interested in PMing.

Ok, no issues. So you won’t speak with me.
I’ve offered my hand and you refused.

again you contribute less here than me by a county mile, that’s fine...

 

[Playford7]

Ok, no issues. So you won’t speak with me.
I’ve offered my hand and you refused.

again you contribute less here than me by a county mile, that’s fine...

And I’m a disgusting racist? Really? Please state such comments I’ve made.
how I’m allowed to be frankly dragged through the mud here and all and sundry can call me worse than shit is a joke...

many members know me, and mods... if I’m this big bad kkk Man then I’d be gone long ago...

Come on mods, let’s get real.

 

[Playford7]

Fasten your seatbelts!

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If only they would reply... utter clowns mate

 

[geordiecolin]

So should the UK take back full control of their rightful fishing boundaries and if so how can it be policed?

 

[maxd]

sink them

In case any one is wondering we are debating -- rather hotly -- what will be done about this. I just didn't want anyone to think that we let it pass without a thought.

 

[cncas2123]

So should the UK take back full control of their rightful fishing boundaries and if so how can it be policed?

It’s one of the major debating points in the negotiations, and as the UK has left the EU they will regain control of their waters and fishing grounds.
Needs to be policed by the UK, though they may sell quotas to the EU now, but I’m sure they would like the EU to give and take in other areas so that a sensible agreement can be found after 31st January.

 

[geordiecolin]

It’s one of the major debating points in the negotiations, and as the UK has left the EU they will regain control of their waters and fishing grounds.
Needs to be policed by the UK, though they may sell quotas to the EU now, but I’m sure they would like the EU to give and take in other areas so that a sensible agreement can be found after 31st January.

I think that there will be fishing wars once we leave and it will not be pretty. They will have to find use for those huge fishing smacks

 

[cncas2123]

I think that there will be fishing wars once we leave and it will not be pretty. They will have to find use for those huge fishing smacks

And on the news today one of the major sticking points is the fishing rights, looking like the EU wants to keep the access they have but the dont want to give on other sticking points.
There has to be fairness to all, even as some on here would say " the right wing neo nazi brexiteers " who are most likely just normal people who got tired of having some crazy regulations put in place by Eurocrats.

 

[geordiecolin]

And on the news today one of the major sticking points is the fishing rights, looking like the EU wants to keep the access they have but the dont want to give on other sticking points.
There has to be fairness to all, even as some on here would say " the right wing neo nazi brexiteers " who are most likely just normal people who got tired of having some crazy regulations put in place by Eurocrats.

It also poses the question of the EU turning their attentions to encouraging Scotlands independence from the UK and becoming a EU member themselves so they can fish in Scottish waters. Sturgeon will be positively dripping at the prospect

 

[dunover]

And on the news today one of the major sticking points is the fishing rights, looking like the EU wants to keep the access they have but the dont want to give on other sticking points.
There has to be fairness to all, even as some on here would say " the right wing neo nazi brexiteers " who are most likely just normal people who got tired of having some crazy regulations put in place by Eurocrats.

If you read into it, UK 'fishing rights' have often been privately sold to foreign vessels or companies from Holland, Spain and France. So there's little the UK government can do even if securing fishing rights to UK territorial waters, other than compensate the foreign trawler owners. Unlike Scotland, England has sold over half of their rights already.

This is a very informative article about UK fishing rights, broken down into the 4 nations:

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[geordiecolin]

If you read into it, UK 'fishing rights' have often been privately sold to foreign vessels or companies from Holland, Spain and France. So there's little the UK government can do even if securing fishing rights to UK territorial waters, other than compensate the foreign trawler owners. Unlike Scotland, England has sold over half of their rights already.

This is a very informative article about UK fishing rights, broken down into the 4 nations:

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Really? Are the figures quoted for real? I simply do not believe them when talking £'s per year otherwise fishing rights would not be so high on the agenda.
Was the selling off of fishing rights done during Brown's time as chancellor and PMship by any chance? Or do I need to go research how and when specific areas of the sea became owned by private companies/families?

 

[mack341]

These rights must be for a set period of years rather than forever?

 

[geordiecolin]

These rights must be for a set period of years rather than forever?

At this time of night I can not be arsed to go find out for myself to be fair

 

[Kroffe]

Prediciton how the government will handle the outcome.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It was bad enough when the EU forced us to hold a referendum, ordered us to vote Leave and made us refuse to request an extension. But this time they’ve gone too far!

It's just always, always, someone else's fault......

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I've been thinking about this subject some more, and it's sort of occurred to me that the fundamental disconnect between Leavers and Remainers is whether or not you think Brexit is a good idea. Yeah I know hardly a revelation, but it explains the opinions and attitudes we're seeing in this thread (and over in the General Election 2019 thread).

In short, to Remainers, Brexit is a problem to be solved, it's purely a damage limitation exercise now. We've left the EU, the transition is coming to an end, and we need to find a position outside the EU that isn't too damaging. We never thought it was a good idea, and we're not even remotely surprised that all the stuff that was predicted years ago is now coming to pass. 'I told you so' doesn't help anyone of course, but there is an element of that to the proceedings now, albeit there is no joy in it. Brexit is a totally shit idea and it's harmful, always was, always will be.

Leavers however, have a problem. The problem they have is that every single thing the Leave campaign was predicated on has turned out to be an absolute pile of horseshit and lies. However, to acknowledge this is also to admit that a terrible mistake has been made, 'buyer's remorse' if you will, the admission that you've been sold an absolute pup by a bunch of charlatans and conmen.

This is why, I think, that Leavers are the least happy group of 'winners' I've ever seen. They should be delighted, Brexit is happening! The UK has left the EU, we're coming out of transition, we will be free, we will be stronger, we will be independent! Global Britain once again asserting its rightful position at the top of the international food chain!

Except it's painfully obvious to everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, that the reality is desperately far removed from this, and it's only going to get worse.

I mean, if you think about it, if Brexit is such a good idea, why is it so difficult to do well? Why is it so hard to end up in a position that's even comparable to where we were before, let alone any better?

This is why Leavers exist in a permanent state of victimhood and blame, so when anything goes wrong with Brexit, it isn't the fault of Brexit itself, (because Brexit is a GOOD IDEA), it's the fault of someone or something else.

So it's 'Theresa The Remainer' or the 'Remainer Civil Service' or the 'EU wanting to punish us' or 'MSM agendas' or 'INSERT VILLAIN OF THE DAY HERE' - so now here we are on the cusp of a No Deal Brexit, and it's the fault of everything EXCEPT Brexit itself. We're still treating the EU like the membership of a gym, we've left the gym and stopped paying our membership fees, but we still expect to be able to use the jacuzzi, and we act all surprised and hurt when the gym tells us to piss off.

So here's the thing. The problem is Brexit. Brexit is the fail state, Brexit is the damage, Brexit is the harm, Brexit is what will diminish the UK on the international stage and leave the UK a poorer and weaker nation.

Brexit has consequences, and those consequences are the result of Brexit - nothing else.

 

[Sidmanaman73]

At this time of night I can not be arsed to go find out for myself to be fair

Seems that it happened primarily over the early to mid 90s so both main parties to blame..

“In essence, fisheries have been

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,” New Economics Foundation researcher Griffin Carpenter told MPs tasked with scrutinising the fisheries bill. “Every year, quota is allocated to the same holders, and there is a legitimate expectation that that continues in future."

A very informative piece on this researched by Greenpeace. Since these rights were sold off, trade to the Far East, who consume way more fish than we do, has become easier and more profitable. Looks like another case of selling off the family silver....

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[Scott1baird]

This is a funny thread, can we all just agree that those that voted leave are all racist and those that voted remain are nice moral people and after the vote was decided we now all live in a confirmed racist country.

So now that's settled it doesn't really matter what happens cos in 25 years we will probably rejoin the EU. And it all begins again.

 

[goatwack]

Here's a fun one. E.U Settlement status will be digital-only, with no physical proof issued! Windrush anyone?

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"What do you mean my details aren't on record?"

 

[09237653]

To follow on from chopleys points Brexiters and the hard right have a permanent victim mentality they were never supposed to win the referendum they just wanted to use it to further their victim narrative, the right have been in power for 10 years now we have the hardest brexit possible happening (no deal) and STILL they are playing the victim. Same thing happening over in America with Drumph.

I wonder if once we lose the NHS, human rights, workers rights and food standards (and basically become America) if they'll reach any realization of the con or still be chasing unicorns by then.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

To follow on from chopleys points Brexiters and the hard right have a permanent victim mentality they were never supposed to win the referendum they just wanted to use it to further their victim narrative, the right have been in power for 10 years now we have the hardest brexit possible happening (no deal) and STILL they are playing the victim. Same thing happening over in America with Drumph.

I wonder if once we lose the NHS, human rights, workers rights and food standards (and basically become America) if they'll reach any realization of the con or still be chasing unicorns by then.

What is so hard to understand about people wanting the UK to make it's own legislation for the UK. Why should we have to run things via Brussels first? Its really not a crime, nor racist for people to be nationalistic to some degree.

Globalisation is the reason for a lot of the evils we see in the world today.

 

[Matti]

I've been thinking about this subject some more, and it's sort of occurred to me that the fundamental disconnect between Leavers and Remainers is whether or not you think Brexit is a good idea. Yeah I know hardly a revelation, but it explains the opinions and attitudes we're seeing in this thread (and over in the General Election 2019 thread).

In short, to Remainers, Brexit is a problem to be solved, it's purely a damage limitation exercise now. We've left the EU, the transition is coming to an end, and we need to find a position outside the EU that isn't too damaging. We never thought it was a good idea, and we're not even remotely surprised that all the stuff that was predicted years ago is now coming to pass. 'I told you so' doesn't help anyone of course, but there is an element of that to the proceedings now, albeit there is no joy in it. Brexit is a totally shit idea and it's harmful, always was, always will be.

Leavers however, have a problem. The problem they have is that every single thing the Leave campaign was predicated on has turned out to be an absolute pile of horseshit and lies. However, to acknowledge this is also to admit that a terrible mistake has been made, 'buyer's remorse' if you will, the admission that you've been sold an absolute pup by a bunch of charlatans and conmen.

This is why, I think, that Leavers are the least happy group of 'winners' I've ever seen. They should be delighted, Brexit is happening! The UK has left the EU, we're coming out of transition, we will be free, we will be stronger, we will be independent! Global Britain once again asserting its rightful position at the top of the international food chain!

Except it's painfully obvious to everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, that the reality is desperately far removed from this, and it's only going to get worse.

I mean, if you think about it, if Brexit is such a good idea, why is it so difficult to do well? Why is it so hard to end up in a position that's even comparable to where we were before, let alone any better?

This is why Leavers exist in a permanent state of victimhood and blame, so when anything goes wrong with Brexit, it isn't the fault of Brexit itself, (because Brexit is a GOOD IDEA), it's the fault of someone or something else.

So it's 'Theresa The Remainer' or the 'Remainer Civil Service' or the 'EU wanting to punish us' or 'MSM agendas' or 'INSERT VILLAIN OF THE DAY HERE' - so now here we are on the cusp of a No Deal Brexit, and it's the fault of everything EXCEPT Brexit itself. We're still treating the EU like the membership of a gym, we've left the gym and stopped paying our membership fees, but we still expect to be able to use the jacuzzi, and we act all surprised and hurt when the gym tells us to piss off.

So here's the thing. The problem is Brexit. Brexit is the fail state, Brexit is the damage, Brexit is the harm, Brexit is what will diminish the UK on the international stage and leave the UK a poorer and weaker nation.

Brexit has consequences, and those consequences are the result of Brexit - nothing else.

Here is a song for you Degsy. You have my empathy.

 

[datch]

What is so hard to understand about people wanting the UK to make it's own legislation for the UK. Why should we have to run things via Brussels first? Its really not a crime, nor racist for people to be nationalistic to some degree.

Globalisation is the reason for a lot of the evils we see in the world today.

I don't think the problem is that the UK left, that is their right as an independent country.

The problem is, the UK left the EU and want to choose the privileges they want to keep (e.g. free access to the single market etc)
without offering anything substantial in return.
At least, that's how the most people in EU-Europe feel. This is not going to happen. Why should the EU member states allow that?

 

[vorcirion]

What is so hard to understand about people wanting the UK to make it's own legislation for the UK. Why should we have to run things via Brussels first? Its really not a crime, nor racist for people to be nationalistic to some degree.

Globalisation is the reason for a lot of the evils we see in the world today.

What kind of evils does this globalisation bring in your mind?
To me these nationalistic leaders: Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Xi Jinping, Duterte etc. bring the real evil to the world.

 

[mack341]

I don't think the problem is that the UK left, that is their right as an independent country.

The problem is, the UK left the EU and want to choose the privileges they want to keep (e.g. free access to the single market etc)
without offering anything substantial in return.
At least, that's how the most people in EU-Europe feel. This is not going to happen. Why should the EU member states allow that?

Isn't that what the EU recently gave japan and canada, two countries they export less to than the uk ?

I'm not minded if we have to go a no-deal route and impose world trade tariffs, rather than have the EU continue to determine uk law indirectly via a theresa may remainer style deal.

 

[datch]

Isn't that what the EU recently gave japan and canada, two countries they export less to than the uk ?

I'm not minded if we have to go a no-deal route and impose world trade tariffs, rather than have the EU continue to determine uk law indirectly via a theresa may remainer style deal.

No it is not. E g. Food standards: Canada will fully obey to EU standards. And financial services- the most important sector for the UK- is not part of the Canada trade deal.

That's how trade deals and treaties work, you always give up some souverenity, every party has to make concessions. As far as I can see the UK does not want to obey to any rules but their own, dictate an agreement and not negotiate one. It wants to bring the cake and eat it, also called cherry picking.
Why should the EU allow that?

I think a hard no-deal is the only option left and it is not EUs fault. Why do you think Mr Frost has not left the table.... Because the UK government is desperate for a deal.

 

[mack341]

No it is not. E g. Food standards: Canada will fully obey to EU standards. And financial services- the most important sector for the UK- is not part of the Canada trade deal.

That's how trade deals and treaties work, you always give up some souverenity, every party has to make concessions. As far as I can see the UK does not want to obey to any rules but their own, dictate an agreement and not negotiate one. It wants to bring the cake and eat it, also called cherry picking.
Why should the EU allow that?

I think a hard no-deal is the only option left and it is not EUs fault. Why do you think Mr Frost has not left the table.... Because the UK government is desperate for a deal.

let's be clear so the EU have not signed trade deals with Japan and canada that give them free access to the single market? [that was the example you gave]

We have asked for the same deal iirc, so if it's conditional and with restrictions as you mention above, why isn't that good enough for the EU then?

Regarding concessions it rather depends on what they are and why the EU want them. what sovereignty have japan and canada given up to the EU and vice versa?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

No it is not. E g. Food standards: Canada will fully obey to EU standards. And financial services- the most important sector for the UK- is not part of the Canada trade deal.

That's how trade deals and treaties work, you always give up some souverenity, every party has to make concessions. As far as I can see the UK does not want to obey to any rules but their own, dictate an agreement and not negotiate one. It wants to bring the cake and eat it, also called cherry picking.
Why should the EU allow that?

I think a hard no-deal is the only option left and it is not EUs fault. Why do you think Mr Frost has not left the table.... Because the UK government is desperate for a deal.

Well alot of what you espouse is fundamentally correct. However, what the EU encapsulates transcends economic legislation; it is increasingly intertwining politics. People in the UK (Leavers) simply do not want to be part of a superstate nor contribute to an EU army. That is not what we originally signed up for. It was purely economic.

As time has gone, more and more treaties have been passed without the UK public even having a say. Ireland got a say but when the wrong result occurred (a no) they were forced to vote again.

If you think the EU is altruistically democratic then fair enough but I beg to differ and hence fully support leave.

 

[Playford7]

Went for food last night with a mate...
Sign this, put your name to that, have a set table.... what a bore.

Totally takes away from the reason we went out anyways...

no masks needed, but I need to wear one buying smokes next door at Sainsbury’s? Lol really?..

Always been a massively conservative leaning man...
After this farce I’ll never vote again, happy to give up my right to discuss politics, this nonsense no matter whom ran the place shows to me it’s a joke.

 

[Playford7]

No it is not. E g. Food standards: Canada will fully obey to EU standards. And financial services- the most important sector for the UK- is not part of the Canada trade deal.

That's how trade deals and treaties work, you always give up some souverenity, every party has to make concessions. As far as I can see the UK does not want to obey to any rules but their own, dictate an agreement and not negotiate one. It wants to bring the cake and eat it, also called cherry picking.
Why should the EU allow that?

I think a hard no-deal is the only option left and it is not EUs fault. Why do you think Mr Frost has not left the table.... Because the UK government is desperate for a deal.

Hi mate. After your false allegations I did send a PM to you.
You must have missed it.

 

[Playford7]

What kind of evils does this globalisation bring in your mind?
To me these nationalistic leaders: Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Xi Jinping, Duterte etc. bring the real evil to the world.

There is a reason they are voted in power.
Unless of course your totally correct and the rest of us are racists, bigots and bad folks...

your conduct and that of your peers on other threads actually shows your ironical intolerance of other opinions, I’ll not get into the silly cancel culture... but people and leaders are democratically voted in or out due to people’s own reasons... hence trump, brazil, boris smashing the socialist loonies out of the park...

Many of us don’t want PC nonsense, we ain’t all the same.
Boris has been a embarrassing appointment, I’m happy to say that... he’s made a mess...

Him or the prospect of...
David lammy (massive racist)
Diane butler (massive racist) and thick as a log ..
Angela rayner... Lol

or the delightful Jess Philips...whom finds male suicide funny (pro feminist)

the conservative’s have been terrible and I voted for them, the alternative was a million times worse... labour are cancer

 

[Playford7]

In case any one is wondering we are debating -- rather hotly -- what will be done about this. I just didn't want anyone to think that we let it pass without a thought.

So what is the outcome after all the thoughts? Just to add I’ve also PM’d those whom called me names (which the mods here ignored
) it’s frankly embarrassing this was even a thing... btw all those whom where so outraged and upset where not that much upset to even Speak to me.... I’d happily have a conversation with anyone, should they deny that and not me shows open intolerance... how ironic.

 

[Playford7]

What kind of evils does this globalisation bring in your mind?
To me these nationalistic leaders: Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Xi Jinping, Duterte etc. bring the real evil to the world.

Uncontrolled migration. Places that where once great Turned into shit holes... mass unemployment, fraud, grooming gangs and a high street that looks like Baghdad....

its happening where Iam, it’s a disgrace...

Oh but we have loads of ‘cash only’ car washes, pizza shops and taxi drivers... yay

 

[mack341]

This guy's mad [ bit of a pun there ] he hates the nation state, which is tied to free democracy, and wants all the nation's military forces combined under the undemocratic EU's control instead.

 

[Playford7]

This guy's mad p bit of a pun there) he hates the nation state, which is tied to free democracy, and wants all the nations military forces combined under the undemocratic EU's control instead.

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Mack my mate, I’d certainly sink this twat.

 

[maxd]

So what is the outcome after all the thoughts?...

That's work in progress. When there is something to report we'll let you know.

FTR those we are upset by comments like yours are under no obligation to inform or discuss it with you. IMO given your outspoken position(s) of hatred and intolerance they would be unwise to do so. The Report system is there for their use and, as always, I encourage them to use it.

 

[datch]

Hi mate. After your false allegations I did send a PM to you.
You must have missed it.

Good morning Sir,

I tried to answer but it seems to be locked, as it won't send. Anyway my answer was like:
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What exactly about "I'm not interested in PMing" you don't understand?
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Look, maybe you should think twice before posting something polarizing (don't know if this is the correct word) like "sink them".
It is not only inhuman, you are damaging Casinomeisters' reputation and your own. You are also causing financial damage as you drive people away from this site.

It gives the strong impression that you want to provoke people by posting such a crap (troll), especially if you look at your history here.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

let's be clear so the EU have not signed trade deals with Japan and canada that give them free access to the single market? [that was the example you gave]

We have asked for the same deal iirc, so if it's conditional and with restrictions as you mention above, why isn't that good enough for the EU then?

Regarding concessions it rather depends on what they are and why the EU want them. what sovereignty have japan and canada given up to the EU and vice versa?

It shouldn't really need pointing out TBH but there is the slight issue of geography when it comes to Canada and Japan getting a different trade deal to that being offered to the UK, namely that the UK is literally just a few miles away from the EU, on a ferry or through a tunnel, whereas both Canada and Japan are thousands of miles away.

Add in the fact that we're still being arsey about signing up to Level Playing Field provisions and it's pretty easy to see why the EU aren't falling over themselves to open up the floodgates to a load of cheap stuff coming across the channel from a third country, which is what the UK will be at that point.

(Also there's the fact that by all accounts our Customs infrastructure is nowhere near going to be ready for Jan 2021, plus we're basically just going to wave everything in to keep goods flowing into the UK, which will turn us into a smuggler's paradise, hence another reason the EU are being very wary.)

It's yet another example of Leaver Victimhood Syndrome, the EU are punishing us by not giving us what we want, why can't we have what they have over there?

The EU only ever said that the UK would be in 'Canada Style' deal territory after the UK drew all its red lines, not that it would get the exact same deal as Canada. This was pointed out time and time again, years ago, but of course it was just dismissed as Project Fear and German Car Manufacturers and they need us more than we need them etc etc.