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Couple of early takeaways from Johnson's astonishingly horrible 'deal'.
Brexit - whats the difference.....
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That is one of the most uninformed posts I have read in the entire thread. No wonder you are all running blindly for the (Br)exit door.
Question right now is, will you ever find it?
Here's the GDP growth comparison between the UK and Germany. Can you please point out where the "UK is doing great" compared to Germany?
2017: UK 1.82%, Germany 2.46%
2018: UK 1.4%, Germany 1.45%
2019 projected: UK 1.18%, Germany 0.75%
Yeehaw, the UK is doing great! View attachment 115565
Below the GDP growth rates for the last 5 years and projections until 2024. Anything that stands out for you that supports your argument??
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Looks like jinx Harry has struck again
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What is it the 11 judges and 1 Speaker have that 17.4 million voters don't??
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The same thing this old drunk has public money to spend
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Oh joy of joys Juncker is not happy Brexit it a waste of time and energy, well Mr Juncker maybe you should make it easier to leave then instead of trying to keep countries in and make it as difficult as possible.
Stop giving extensions and have some balls to say no more time just leave.
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Had to post a screenshot of possibly the best home screen a casino has ever offered:
32red your my kind of casino!
To think this man runs the country....what a picture!
32red your my kind of casino!
To think this man runs the country....what a picture!
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Thank goodness you and Chopley don't, well done for judging someone on their looks.
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He doesn't though - the remoaner conspiracy has seen to that. He might do if he wins an election. Oh, sorry, he's not allowed to call one.
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Make no mistake, the opposition are seemingly just out to undermine and humiliate Johnson at every opportunity now. Total lack of respect for the leader and the electorate.
We can only hope there is retribution at the ballot box. I hope Boris gets a commanding majority.
We can only hope there is retribution at the ballot box. I hope Boris gets a commanding majority.
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Are you blaming us in the EU for your total meltdown in the UK? I think you need a reality check.
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Yes I am article 50 is designed to make leaving as difficult as possible.
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What on earth are you talking about. You can leave whenever you want to! It is you who don't want to leave without a deal. There is nothing from the EU side that prevent you from doing this.
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You lot in the EU must love us dearly and don't want us to leave! As we have seen by the fact that if ONE of your 27 countries vetoes the extension, we'd be out automatically on 31 Oct and then Corbum and Co. would crap their trousers and get the deal through before then. But when it comes to extensions, they (the EU 27) roll over and let the reamoaners tickle their tummies every time.
Let me guess....erm...the result of the extension proposition next week will be ermmm… let's see....27-0!!!
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Stop talking rot you cannot leave when you want there is a two year deadline from article 50 being triggered there is the withdrawal bill, the untangling of legislation so no you cannot just leave and then the money the Eu claims we owe them.
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 37% (+6)
LAB: 24% (-4)
LDEM: 19% (+2)
BREX: 11% (-2)
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And that is exactly why Corbum won't allow an election. His shower of Trots and Marxists would be wiped out.
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The EU is trying to get the best deal possible for us. That is a rational response. Is that strange? If it's better for the EU that you get an extension I sincerely trust that an extension is granted.
From where I am this also seems to be the will of a majority of the representatives you have chosen.
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They were chosen on the premise that they would deliver on the referendum result. Instead, all we've seen is them try and thwart it at every given opportunity.
Understandable that a lot of the electorate may be feeling a little bit peeved.
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That timeline has past. You can leave whenever you want. That there is a timeline isn't that strange. There are a lot of things that needs to be fixed as you also mention. You have had over three years to prepare and fix your legislation.
The money is owned due to decisions you have been a part of. We are having a divorce. You just can't leave and say. You can take the bill for all the things we mutually have decided.
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Dear oh dear the cult of the EU really has brainwashed some people.
There really are people who believe this overblown club with it's unanswerable leaders and waste of money.
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Are they not aware that a deal has been agreed and WILL be passed through parliament by the 31st. if an extension is vetoed?
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I will not go that low that is apparently necessary debating with you.
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The EU does not want a deal it wants a 2nd referendum hoping that the British people will change their minds, they underestimate British, the British will never give in to the EU on a 2nd referendum, have a 2nd referendum and the leave percentage will shoot up.
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If that was the case they would have agreed a 2nd referendum ages ago.
They know damn well if they have another referendum the result would probably be remain. Hence the reason they will not have one.
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It is not up to the EU to interfere with your internal disputes. A majority of your parliament say they need more time to properly go through the deal. I believe the EU will grant that.
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If only the EU would stay out of our internal affairs we wouldn't be where we are, the EU has interfered enough in UK affairs over the last 40 years.
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I think this manufacturer is more appropriate for Boris
Its nothing personal or based on his looks but his and the UK parliaments continued mocking of what should be the most serious and professional job going.
I mean come on, these people fall asleep! at work! on tele! Following the tax free booze they consume from the bar!
Not meant to cause outrage, my stance is almost anarchistic, simply fuelled by their failings and my ideology of democracy.
Its nothing personal or based on his looks but his and the UK parliaments continued mocking of what should be the most serious and professional job going.
I mean come on, these people fall asleep! at work! on tele! Following the tax free booze they consume from the bar!
Not meant to cause outrage, my stance is almost anarchistic, simply fuelled by their failings and my ideology of democracy.
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You decided to join 40 years ago. You can blame yourselves or your politicians if you feel that you should never have joined, but is was not like you were forced into the EU so stop blaming us for your own shortcomings.
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Errr no we decided to join A COMMON MARKET not a federal Europe with a European Court and rules which govern our way of life in the UK.
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I fail to see what Boris has done wrong in all of this. When boiled down, he's tried proactively to implement the referendum result (which the last Tory manifesto promised). So the PM is getting flak from some quarters for doing what was promised...makes sense
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Tusk recommends 27 eu countries accept extension until 31 January 2020 - Sky News
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Out of pure interest: which EU rules have impacted your personal life in a negative way? Just asking because I believe people should vote with their own best interest at heart, not that of the city/county/country they live in. So if you voted to leave the EU I'd love to know what exactly turned you to vote leave.
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Forgot to put in the quote by steveh35 
"Errr no we decided to join A COMMON MARKET not a federal Europe with a European Court and rules which govern our way of life in the UK. "
Please open up your history books, You have had the option to say no to every treaty since you joined. It's not like you have been forced.
Once again, you can blaim Mayor, Blair, Corbyn etc, not the EU.
"Errr no we decided to join A COMMON MARKET not a federal Europe with a European Court and rules which govern our way of life in the UK. "
Please open up your history books, You have had the option to say no to every treaty since you joined. It's not like you have been forced.
Once again, you can blaim Mayor, Blair, Corbyn etc, not the EU.
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The European Courts having a say over British Justice, when we joined it was a common market none of this nonsense.
I always wanted to leave I have never wanted to be in the EU.
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So I assume from that answer you've lost a court case because of European law which was different under British Justice?
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Well, I did ask which negative impact the EU has over you personally. Not which negative impact the EU might have had over the British Justice system. No need for silly pictures, it's a genuine question. I could ask someone who voted not to leave the exact same thing.
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It's a moot point. Just because something hasn't affected someone personally, it doesn't mean that there isn't potential for it to do so at any given time. It's a decision over whether you feel the ideology is right or wrong.
He feels the ECJ shouldn't have any affect over our internal law making or actioning and he is free to hold that view.
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I guess my reasoning behind voting is different, I've pointed that out in my initial reply
I always look what can benefit me, what do I want to have changed that is impacting me personally. If our government was to organise a vote on leaving or remaining in the EU I don't think I would vote because on a personal level I don't feel like it has a positive or negative impact on my life.
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They wouldn't be for pity's sake! If they refused an extension, then quite simply it will be sorted by 31st. anyway as default would be no-deal Brexit irrespective of Parliament here, and both Parliament and the E-USSR want a deal so they would get it done in time. Simples.
The EU are just content to string it along and keep us in as long as possible, as each day it's delayed they think the resolve to leave will be weakened. Well it won't be.
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I guess my reasoning behind voting is different, I've pointed that out in my initial reply
And in a way that's a microcosm of all that is wrong these days. People focussing solely on themselves so much that they don't see the bigger picture from a more holistic perspective.
Whilst people are so concerned with their own little worlds, it's easy to neglect the changes creeping in through the back door. The EU started off as a purely financial union and it has now morphed into a socio-economic-political behemoth which is being run ever more centrally with ever increasing powers over individual nation states.
Do I want the UK to carry on being a part of this? No.
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They can't just play along with Boris. That would be interfering with the UK's internal process. Exactly what you don't want the EU to do.
Guys, I realize you want to leave and that's fine. You just need to take responsibility for your own mess and stop blaming others. You have made you're own bed. Saying this for the last time I promise; Don't blame the EU that you are really really bad in getting along internally and don't blame the EU for what it has become. You have approved it.
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I don't really mind to be called selfish because of that. I've been let down one too many times to really care about much else besides my own issues.
But I appreciate you taking the time to reply without silly pictures. I was genuinely just curious if there were personal issues involved for @steveh35 .
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From my perspective it's great to engage with someone who is somewhat more grounded and less inflammatory in their approach. Certainly beats being labelled thick, racist, moronic or having the eye roll emoji wheeled out
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From my perspective it's great to engage with someone who is somewhat more grounded and less inflammatory in their approach. Certainly beats being labelled thick, racist, moronic or having the eye roll emoji wheeled out
Hah, thats exactly what a thick moronic racist would say!
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Hah, thats exactly what a thick moronic racist would say!
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I only appear intelligent for the benefit of this forum. Fact is, just the other day I put my trousers on the wrong way and stared at a bottle of orange squash for 4 hours straight because it said 'concentrate' on the label.
That's the beauty of politics. One gets to slate complete strangers based on their observations and interpretations, based on their beliefs and ideals, without having a shred of influence on said events!!
That is, unless you happen to be talking directly to a politician. Keep it shtum then
That is, unless you happen to be talking directly to a politician. Keep it shtum then
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I only appear dumb for the benefit of this forum.
In real life im a rocket-surgeon!
Example, it only took me 7 months to finish a puzzle when the box said 4-7 years.
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In what way did anything struck me?
But nice to see how you find joy when things don't go too well for others. Tells me a lot about you.
I explained it in my post that Germany will be in a technical recession if the GDP shrinks two quarters in a row. I never said it won't happen but what I did say is that a technical recession is only one of many indicators for an economy.
We will know more in about 8 - 10 days from now.
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