Brexit - whats the difference.....

[Mr_Slot5]

I hope all the Labour voters who voted to leave the EU will remember the stance that Jeremy Corbyn has taken in all those. I hope they remember all the businesses that have folded because of the continuing uncertainty caused by endless extensions, and I hope they will remember the jobs his refusal to listen to the majority has caused. I hope when he does have the balls to call an election he gets absolutely wiped out.

Labour are finished at the next election.

There was a time under the catastrophe under May that he looked like he had a chance as PM. Instead, we've not got the Conservatives going ahead in the polls- that's no coincidence that this happens whilst parliament becomes ever more intransigent. The electorate don't like what they are seeing and Boris is doing a great job of looking the victim.

Another couple of months and it will be just the ultra remainers that support the Lib Dems and Labour.

 

[steveh35]

McDonnell now trying to get Johnson done for contempt of court for not writing the letter properly.

 

[cncas2123]

McDonnell now trying to get Johnson done for contempt of court for not writing the letter properly.

Did the Benn act actually say he had to sign it? My understanding was it gave him the text and told him to send it, which he has done, so wheres the problem....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

There is no problem, Donald Tusk has accepted the request as legitimate and is discussing it with the other EU members now.

Sending a photocopy, refusing to sign it and sending the other letters are just the Prime Minister of the UK having a stroppy sulk like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum. Tusk disregarded all the other shit and accepted the request, since he's actually a functioning adult.

 

[steveh35]

Did the Benn act actually say he had to sign it? My understanding was it gave him the text and told him to send it, which he has done, so wheres the problem....

I believe he wasn't allowed to send a 2nd letter saying he didn't agree with the first letter.

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[steveh35]

There is no problem, Donald Tusk has accepted the request as legitimate and is discussing it with the other EU members now.

Sending a photocopy, refusing to sign it and sending the other letters are just the Prime Minister of the UK having a stroppy sulk like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum. Tusk disregarded all the other shit and accepted the request, since he's actually a functioning adult.

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There's a desk in Brussells waiting for you Chopley you are so pro EU it's a wonder you don't play secret santa with the EU top brass. Best of luck trying to clean the brown colour off your tongue.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

There's a desk in Brussells waiting for you Chopley you are so pro EU it's a wonder you don't play secret santa with the EU top brass. Best of luck trying to clean the brown colour off your tongue.

Abuse and vulgarity is pretty much your standard go-to response, and indeed appears to be the default option for many Leavers in this thread.

Why is that?

Still, with intellectually devastating insights such as that I've just quoted above, I think you're starting to win me over to your point of view.

 

[steveh35]

Abuse and vulgarity is pretty much your standard go-to response, and indeed appears to be the default option for many Leavers in this thread.

Why is that?

Still, with intellectually devastating insights such as that I've just quoted above, I think you're starting to win me over to your point of view.

You stated Tusk is an adult what does that make Joanna Cherry, Jo Swinson, Corbyn etc in childishly making up letters and forcing them to be sent because they can't accept what the people voted for, childishly throwing tantrums in parliament making up laws to suit their own needs.

Boris has actually acted the most mature throughout this it's the opposition who haven't and they will suffer for it when chilidish Corbyn and Swinson finally give the public the general election they should have, but it doesn't look like Corbyn and Swinson want to pick up their toys and put them back in the box very soon.

 

[cncas2123]

There is no problem, Donald Tusk has accepted the request as legitimate and is discussing it with the other EU members now.

Sending a photocopy, refusing to sign it and sending the other letters are just the Prime Minister of the UK having a stroppy sulk like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum. Tusk disregarded all the other shit and accepted the request, since he's actually a functioning adult.

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The other leaders have shown such decorum - Corbyn with his sit on the fence until i see which side can get me more votes, Swinson who doesnt like the vote and thinks that the 52% are all plebs who should never have been given a vote in the first place and Blackford who constantly whines on about bonnie Scotland going on its own, even though a few years ago they decided it wasnt for them.
How about some of those gangsters showing some real leadership, get this latest withdrawal agreement through and finally the UK can move forward and start to tackle real problems like the NHS crisis, ecological issues, problems in the education sector, the things that affect both the 52% and the 48% rather than waste more time kicking this can down the never ending road.

 

[steveh35]

Any further legal challenge is expected to focus on whether Mr Johnson has frustrated the purpose of the anti-No Deal law.

Not only did the PM not sign the Benn Act extension letter but he asked Sir Tim Barrow, the UK’s ambassador to the EU, to submit it for him. It was then Sir Tim who signed the cover letter making clear the delay was being requested by parliament and not the PM.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This lass hits the nail nicely on the head.

 

[dunover]

This lass hits the nail nicely on the head.

Demand? DEMAND? They lost, they've no right to 'demand' anything. On the other hand, how about we ignore the ostriches for a few hours and demand that the MP's who haven't listened to their constituents who 'advised' we should leave the EU, actually do so?

This is all BS with no context or proportion. I couldn't give a stuff if all 16m remain voters pissed their pants and turned up outside Parliament waving their nobody's flags, they are still the losing minority and it doesn't validate their argument nor change their status as runners-up. It's only the losing side that feel it necessary to make such a noise - funny, that.

Speaking of little kids, what was the old school system of playground games?

Winner- "ha ha, one-nil to me"
Loser - "no, let's make it the best of three"
Winner - "Oh dear, two-nil to me now!"
Loser - "come on, come please! - best of five eh?"
Winner - (Thwack, kick) "just fuck-off!!"

 

[TheAddict]

"waving their nobody's flags" . made me lol that one

 

[steveh35]

Caroline Flint tells of being threatened by Labour leaders for supporting her constituents who voted to leave.

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[Mr_Slot5]

There's a civil war brewing here and parliament think it's right to keep dragging this out?? I just can't get my head around what the opposition are playing at.

A second referendum will solve nothing. It'll be a close result and the same issues will still exist.

 

[steveh35]

Caroline Flint tells of being threatened by Labour leaders for supporting her constituents who voted to leave.

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The thing about Caroline Flint is if Labour deselect her they will lose this seat she has probably the biggest support of any MP as she has actually done what they asked and we know Chopley doesn't believe an MP should do what the voters tell them but as an independent she would walk this seat, Labour cannot afford to lose an MP like this by deselecting.

This is why any MP should realise you do what your constituents ask of you and you will walk any election, all those MP's who are looking at it from Chopley's view and you will be lucky to see the inside of parliament again without a tv in front of you.

Beware crossing those that put you where you are.

 

[dunover]

Caroline Flint tells of being threatened by Labour leaders for supporting her constituents who voted to leave.

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A pragmatist, she is. Can't have that in Corbyn's cabal.

Alas there is an unpleasant undercurrent of violence and intimidation on the remain side, that nasty streak that tends to run through the far left when they come out of the woodwork. The threats and abuse aimed at Rees-Mogg's 12-year old son being a notable example yesterday.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Also genuine question...I've heard a lot about the 48% views not being respected but I have to ask, if a second ref gives a result the other way round what would the 52% do to accommodate the 48% who voted leave?

A genuine question but I think we all know the answer to it.

 

[Mouche12]

We should be more worried about the spikes in hate crimes since the Brexit vote in 2016. According to police, far-right extremists pose the country’s fastest-growing terror threat. Critics say that Johnson has only inflamed these fears by framing Brexit as a battle between the people and an obstructive Parliament.

 

[dunover]

We should be more worried about the spikes in hate crimes since the Brexit vote in 2016. According to police, far-right extremists pose the country’s fastest-growing terror threat. Critics say that Johnson has only inflamed these fears by framing Brexit as a battle between the people and an obstructive Parliament.

We've always had plenty of them and always will, it's just that the media tends to focus more on them as they try to contextualize Brexit as an anti-immigration vote. This then gives the remain brigade a platform of righteous indignation which in return is more fodder for the BBC, leftists or other pro-EU media channels.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Critics say that Johnson has only inflamed these fears by framing Brexit as a battle between the people and an obstructive Parliament.

A large group of people feel that their views are not being listened to after what was billed as a once in a generation referendum. A lot of people are seeing people in parliament so far removed from their own situation, stifling and preventing what a majority of ordinary people voted for. Then on top of that, these very same people are not allowing an election to be called so that the electorate have a chance at removing them from their seats as punishment for these incessant delays.

So yeah, it now is a battle between people and parliament when you look at it like that.

 

[steveh35]

We've always had plenty of them and always will, it's just that the media tends to focus more on them as they try to contextualize Brexit as an anti-immigration vote. This then gives the remain brigade a platform of righteous indignation which in return is more fodder for the BBC, leftists or other pro-EU media channels.

That's because hate crimes now include looking at a female the wrong way, or touching a knee in 1987 or laughing at a cross dresser, or insulting a gay man etc etc. That is why hate crimes are up, hate crimes in some respects are just the new word for being offended and there's plenty of the offended around right now.

 

[ternur]

A question to our dear British members.

After the brexit, how do you see the things developing in the UK? Is there a real change that Scotland will become a sovereign state?

 

[Kroffe]

The direction this thread is going makes me think its just a matter of time before it gets locked.

Speak now or forever hold your peace kinda thing.
Thats why im making this valuable comment now.

 

[sufferinsilence]

A question to our dear British members.

After the brexit, how do you see the things developing in the UK? Is there a real change that Scotland will become a sovereign state?

And a reunited Ireland?

 

[paul7388]

The direction this thread is going makes me think its just a matter of time before it gets locked.
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Speak now or forever hold your peace kinda thing.
Thats why im making this valuable comment now.

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Just letting you know i am stealing your tick tock

 

[paul7388]

A question to our dear British members.

After the brexit, how do you see the things developing in the UK? Is there a real change that Scotland will become a sovereign state?

And a reunited Ireland?

Would like to hope that if that b*tch gets her referendum she will still lose it and Scotland will stay part of UK.

And i don't think there is any way you will get a united Ireland.

 

[cncas2123]

And a reunited Ireland?

I think we are miles off that, don't believe everything you read in The Sun. I have friends from both communities and i none of them want a United Ireland, even if Brexit goes ahead.
We in the UK think we have problems in the NHS, well how do you fancy 72 - 96 hour trolley waits in hospital in ROI? How would you fancy paying £50 every time you want to go to the Doctor? In the border areas most people will cross into NI to get their medicines, get their doctor appointments, go to hospital A&E. You dont hear about this on the news, and I think the majority of people value what NI benefits from by being part of the UK.

 

[pinnit2014]

And a reunited Ireland?

Given that Stormont's not sat in nearly 3 years there's no one there to call a referendum

 

[Kroffe]

Just letting you know i am stealing your tick tock

Im gonna let you in on a little secret... (i also stole it)

 

[steveh35]

A question to our dear British members.

After the brexit, how do you see the things developing in the UK? Is there a real change that Scotland will become a sovereign state?

If any nation wishes to become independent that is there choice and if Scotland chooses to then so be it, after the UK leaves we will continue to be a prosperous nation that trades around the world and we will continue to be one of the world's dominant countries just like we always have whether that is as four countries as the UK or four separate countries.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Given that Stormont's not sat in nearly 3 years there's no one there to call a referendum

I had to Google that... Seems there are more issues in the UK than just Brexit

 

[pinnit2014]

I had to Google that... Seems there are more issues in the UK than just Brexit

It's a world record, so there is that

 

[steveh35]

I had to Google that... Seems there are more issues in the UK than just Brexit

Why do you think Brexit has been such an issue, I mean we have the bizarre situation where Ireland and every UK nation but NI have gay marriage and abortion, all because Stormont is closed and the British govt dare not take control of Stormont for fear of NI troubles.

 

[Matti]

If any nation wishes to become independent that is there choice and if Scotland chooses to then so be it, after the UK leaves we will continue to be a prosperous nation that trades around the world and we will continue to be one of the world's dominant countries just like we always have whether that is as four countries as the UK or four separate countries.

Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves. Britons never...............

 

[Gaz237]

If any nation wishes to become independent that is there choice and if Scotland chooses to then so be it, after the UK leaves we will continue to be a prosperous nation that trades around the world and we will continue to be one of the world's dominant countries just like we always have whether that is as four countries as the UK or four separate countries.

Surely you mean 3 countries?

England, Scotland and NI.

The other bit is just a big farm

 

[bluebirdy]

Surely you mean 3 countries?

England, Scotland and NI.

The other bit is just a big farm

We call it a leisure centre:xxx:

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If any nation wishes to become independent that is there choice and if Scotland chooses to then so be it, after the UK leaves we will continue to be a prosperous nation that trades around the world and we will continue to be one of the world's dominant countries just like we always have whether that is as four countries as the UK or four separate countries.

The only thing the UK will be 'dominating' is the global leaderboard for stunted economic growth and fiscal contraction.

Even the most optimistic estimates reckon that leaving the EU will shrink the economy by about 7%.

Why do you want the UK to be 'dominant' anyway? This isn't the days of empire anymore.

The UK is voluntarily unhooking itself from the largest trading bloc in the world, and we'll be going up against the likes of China and the USA. We've already seen which way the wind is blowing when Japan politely told us to fuck off when we asked for the same trade deal that they've agreed with the EU.

The USA will crush us like an insect. We don't even know how to negotiate trade deals because the EU have done it for us for decades. The USA have some seriously hard-nosed and ruthless negotiators, what are we going to do, send David Davis in again?

 

[Kroffe]

Saw a word i suprisingly have not seen in this thread when reading about Brexit on another site.
"Remaniacs"

Use it wisely.

Edit: oh, and this.

 

[steveh35]

The only thing the UK will be 'dominating' is the global leaderboard for stunted economic growth and fiscal contraction.

Even the most optimistic estimates reckon that leaving the EU will shrink the economy by about 7%.

Why do you want the UK to be 'dominant' anyway? This isn't the days of empire anymore.

The UK is voluntarily unhooking itself from the largest trading bloc in the world, and we'll be going up against the likes of China and the USA. We've already seen which way the wind is blowing when Japan politely told us to fuck off when we asked for the same trade deal that they've agreed with the EU.

The USA will crush us like an insect. We don't even know how to negotiate trade deals because the EU have done it for us for decades. The USA have some seriously hard-nosed and ruthless negotiators, what are we going to do, send David Davis in again?

I just realised Chopley is from Isle of Man please explain the EU situation on the Isle of Man Chopley?

 

[sledge13]

Germany the real leaders of the EU, and they are close to recession, the UK is doing great even after the scaremongers straight after the vote result, the mass unemployment, crash never came....

 

[Harry_BKK]

Germany the real leaders of the EU, and they are close to recession, the UK is doing great even after the scaremongers straight after the vote result, the mass unemployment, crash never came....

That is one of the most uninformed posts I have read in the entire thread. No wonder you are all running blindly for the (Br)exit door.

Question right now is, will you ever find it?

Here's the GDP growth comparison between the UK and Germany. Can you please point out where the "UK is doing great" compared to Germany?

2017: UK 1.82%, Germany 2.46%
2018: UK 1.4%, Germany 1.45%
2019 projected: UK 1.18%, Germany 0.75%

Yeehaw, the UK is doing great!

Below the GDP growth rates for the last 5 years and projections until 2024. Anything that stands out for you that supports your argument??

 

[steveh35]

 

[steveh35]

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[Harry_BKK]

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2.5-months old report. Yeah, you're up to date!

Fact is both the UK and Germany are mature economies and there is not too much movement up or down. On average, growth rates tend to be between 1 - 2%.

Germany had a budget surplus in the last few years partially due to lower government spending. Hence, they have plenty of reserves to give the economy a push when needed. Right now, it is not but they sure will when the time is right.

Can you state when the UK had the last time a budget surplus?

 

[steveh35]

2.5-months old report. Yeah, you're up to date!

Fact is both the UK and Germany are mature economies and there is not too much movement up or down.

Germany had a budget surplus in the last few years partially due to lower government spending. They have plenty of reserves to give the economy a push when needed. Right now, it is not but they sure will when the time is right.

Can you state when the UK had the last time a budget surplus?

If you actually look at your post it shows UK has a higher predicted gdp in every year up until 2024 compared to Germany so what was your post trying to prove?

Plus mystic Meg previous data shows what has happened rather than your lottery numbers for next 5 years.

 

[Harry_BKK]

If you actually look at your post it shows UK has a higher predicted gdp in every year up until 2024 compared to Germany so what was your post trying to prove?

Plus mystic Meg previous data shows what has happened rather than your lottery numbers for next 5 years.

For a mature economy such as the UK or Germany to be doing great, you will need a GDP growth of 3+ % per annum, you can ask any economist if you don't know this kind of things. Achieving that is no easy feat, Mr T poured $1.5 Trillion into the US economy and got less than 0.5% additional growth.

What the numbers show is that both economies perform as it would be expected from mature economies, the numbers oscillate slightly from year to year. There is no such thing as Germany --> bad, UK --> doing great as @sledge13 indicated in his post. The difference is less than 0.5% in GDP growth, and that is the year 2019 estimate.

You are in a technical recession if you have two consecutive quarters with negative growth. That does not mean that it is the end of the world. It is one of many indicators for an economy. Germany and the UK had negative growth in Q2/2019.

So in your view what is the difference between the UK and Germany? If both have negative growth for Q3/2019, they are both in a technical recession.

BTW, the lottery numbers are from the IMF and not mine. And they start in 2014 if you care to read properly, so they show exactly what happened just like yours.

 

[pinnit2014]

Harry will be happy when Trumps out and Brexits done so he can put his eyes back in their sockets: iv heard he just keeps them out and rolls em like a pair of dice ;-)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The hits just keep on coming!

Liz Truss hopes to strike a great new free trade deal between Britain and Northern Ireland!.....

 

[steveh35]

Bercow strikes again blocks a vote on the deal.